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Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by philip0906(m): 2:09pm On May 09, 2018 |
Nig4Greatness:You are desperately trying to paint Nigeria in a good light going as far as claiming "MOST OF THE THINGS YOU WROTE THERE ARE HAPPENING IN THOSE COUNTRIES YOU DREAM OF ".So the American political elite loot their treasury to the detriment if it's citizenry and the other issues I highlighted there No Country is eutopia but trying to put the United States and Nigeria on the same pedestal, is an insult on people's intelligence. Lol...Millionaires bla bla bla. Here's what you said up there "i ask people what SUCCESS means to them,am sure it means different things depending on their situations ". So you think it's everyone who wants to be "millionaires"? You think that is the reason why everyone is bailing out? At least, you should learn from your own words With your green card on one hand, you are aiming for the Nigerian millionaire status on the other hand. Smart you . A lot of us also have that same plan. Let us be. What is good for you, should also be good for all. A green card and the Nigerian millionaire status 29 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Nig4Greatness: 2:14pm On May 09, 2018 |
Sharonose:...... SIMPLE!!!....for whatever it worths,survival shouldn't be a reason.point made!!!. 1 Like |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Nig4Greatness: 2:55pm On May 09, 2018 |
philip0906:..... Am sure you comprehended my comments above in a reversed mode ,I never said don't travel to anyone but I was only saying don't think of travel because of survival that the street of abroad is not painted with gold,the kind of fantasy the op was trying to pass across.in the 5level human hierarchy of needs,survival is at level one and if that's what success mean to you,well good luck on that,obviously we don't have much in common. Someone rightly said earlier,even the physical green card as its called no longer green in colour again.lol. Fyi, I didn't travel based on survival.am still young man and am affecting my world positvely..that's one of my purposes in life. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Ugosample(m): 3:09pm On May 09, 2018 |
Nig4Greatness: you are right |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by philip0906(m): 3:09pm On May 09, 2018 |
Nig4Greatness: The op NEVER painted a fantasy she only stated the obvious. Here's a quote from her post; "...Don't get me wrong, there is no perfect place on earth. I can list the issues in other countries too, the gun violence in the US, racism, high cost of living, etc. but a working system is a working system. If you get the opportunity to travel and you blend with the system and follow rules, you won't regret it unless your expectations are crazy and unrealistic..." She also added this; " I want to state here, life abroad is NOT for everyone. Some people will go and fail to adapt/succeed, some people enjoy how things are in Nigeria and are happy with what they're facing. I have nothing against anyone's decisions. I'm not looking down on anyone and their choices in life." Someone rightly said earlier,even the physical green card as its called no longer green in colour againLol...since it's no longer Green would you mind burning it or least discard it? 14 Likes |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Ugosample(m): 3:12pm On May 09, 2018 |
Nig4Greatness: To you, the definition of success is to have a lot of money not bad but not everyone thinks like that 6 Likes |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Nobody: 3:33pm On May 09, 2018 |
Ugosample:Are you saying having a lot of money is not success? When you have money, most of your problems are solved and you feel human. With money, you could travel the world easily and even buy citizenship in some countries like the UK, USA, New Zealand, Poland, etc. Having a lot of money is like 95% of your problems solved! 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Nig4Greatness: 3:53pm On May 09, 2018 |
philip0906:..... Funny you,I don't hold green card...I hold blue passport.do you know some of these Americans do envy some of us with dual passports??. It's okay my brother,the US is a beautiful place and I always encourage those around me to visit or otherwise if they have that strong conviction but not because Nigeria is bad..Nigeria can only get better,remember it's our collective responsibility to make it a better place for us and for the next generation.may God bless my motherland 7 Likes |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Nig4Greatness: 4:03pm On May 09, 2018 |
Ugosample:.... @Ugo, I never said success is all about money,but money at times is a measure of success,ask dangotes of this world.meanwhile there are different level of success in life but survival (food,clothing,shelter) isn't one of them. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Ugosample(m): 4:38pm On May 09, 2018 |
EMMAACHILE:U.K. and U.S. DO NOT SELL NATIONALITY |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Ugosample(m): 4:42pm On May 09, 2018 |
Nig4Greatness: Nigeria can only get better Okay o |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Nig4Greatness: 4:53pm On May 09, 2018 |
Ugosample:..... They do......argue what you know. |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Nobody: 4:54pm On May 09, 2018 |
Ugosample: Read the following links my guy https://www.gov.uk/tier-1-entrepreneur/access-to-200000-investment-funds https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2014/07/18/5-best-ways-for-investors-to-immigrate-to-the-united-states/ 3 Likes |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Ugosample(m): 4:55pm On May 09, 2018 |
Nig4Greatness: If you are a high net worth individual, it will get you a green card after some processing. It cannot give you citizenship outright. |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Ugosample(m): 4:58pm On May 09, 2018 |
The USA and the UK attract high net worth individuals to come and invest to get a green card. It does not come with outright citizenship It's done countries in Europe and South America that does outright sale of citizenship Even south Africa has something like that tho, and I would have done it, just that I don't have the capital requirements yet, I'll get there one day sha I know what I'm saying 3 Likes |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Ugosample(m): 5:02pm On May 09, 2018 |
EMMAACHILE: I just checked the links, and it validates my point However I guess countries like Chile and Malta have our right purchase of citizenship, or citizenship after a year I can't remember the full details, but it's something like that |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by theamerican(f): 5:05pm On May 09, 2018 |
Dear @Nig4greatness I have read all your posts and I must give it to you, you are intelligent, experienced and the maturity in your all you have written has been refreshing. Thanks for trying to make your points without insulting anyone. The thread was created to throw the question to the public: "is migrating worth the stress?". I always talk about subjectivity, and I have never stopped talking about it. I have absolutely nothing against anyone's decision to stay in Nigeria or migrate. I simply give reasons for migrating. Now that we've got that out of the way, this is not a "how to migrate/how to become a U.S. citizen" thread. Those who have tried to ask me that have been told to visit the threads for that and/or get more info from the right places. The "2nd class citizen" theory is one of the things I don't agree with one bit. Your rights as an American or even a legal resident/visitor can't be compared in any way, shape or form to whatever you call rights in Nigeria. People come here, go through the very complicated steps to become citizens, and when they finally get what they want, they come back to feed others with statements like "we're suffering here", "the country is overrated", "2nd class citizen", "no place like home", etc. I call them out for what they are: UNGRATEFUL HYPOCRITES! When immigrants want to become U.S. citizens, they swear to "...renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen." If your patriotism was that strong, or if Nigeria's all that they're trying to make it, why would anyone swear this oath? Why don't they remember the suffering in the U.S., taxes, racism, high cost of living, etc. and not swear that oath? Again, I will state this... I am NOT against anyone's decision to live in Nigeria or go elsewhere. I was in Nigeria, I didn't like it there, guess what I did? I left. Those who are here and don't like it here and think Nigeria is better can also leave. It's a free choice. Say you travel to Japan or Saudi Arabia and you get arrested/kidnapped or whatever. As a dual citizen, which government do you think will likely come to your rescue when contacted? Nigeria or the U.S? Finally, if the U.S. and Nigeria came up with laws that prohibited dual citizenship and you're forced to choose either to be an American, or Nigerian, which citizenship would you give up? I'm curious, I really wanna know your answer. 32 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Ugosample(m): 5:25pm On May 09, 2018 |
theamerican: help me tell them o if they want to stay, let them stay. me I don comot, though not to the USA, but to a country that is more sane. Those who wan stay can stay, happy staying 4 Likes |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by theamerican(f): 5:25pm On May 09, 2018 |
To @EMMAACHILE and @ugosample "Being rich is success/happiness" and "success/happiness is being rich" are not the same. "A rich man is a successful/happy man" and "a successful/happy man is a rich man" aren't the same too. Let's not confuse these two. When we talk about migrating/staying in Nigeria, people are quick to say how much money you can make in Nigeria and the opportunities available. They tell you all the business ideas in the world that can make your life awesome. They keep missing the point! Not everyone travels just because they want to amass wealth. Being rich is good, money answers most of the problems in life, don't get me wrong. Being rich wasn't the motivation for my coming here. I wanted to be in a working system. A system where accountability from everyone is paramount. A place where no professor is sleeping with me before giving me the grades I deserve. A place where cops/people won't justify or laugh at being raped because of what I wore to a party. A place where widows are protected by law and not kicked out by the family of their late husbands, I could go on and on. These are things people take for granted... and that's fine for them. Not for me. 30 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Nig4Greatness: 5:38pm On May 09, 2018 |
Ugosample:..... So if they ask you to bring your money in exchange for a green card,what does that means to you ??. |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Nobody: 5:46pm On May 09, 2018 |
Ugosample:Then what's the goal of an investor visa? |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by peacengine(m): 6:07pm On May 09, 2018 |
theamerican: Is it not same America that they are doing "Black lives matter" due to killing of blacks by white cops? You mentioned no one coming to your aid as a Nigerian abroad, are you not informed that the govt has been sending planes to pick up stranded Nigerians from Lybiia? You have relocated abroad that's good baby but you haven't given any valid points yet, I don't think you are working becos of time u spend here. If you are being paid per hour by this time you should be busy at work na |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Beautyaddy: 6:17pm On May 09, 2018 |
theamerican: Wow!! Very thoughtful question. Nig4Greatness!....we look forward to your answering this question. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by hammed71(m): 6:23pm On May 09, 2018 |
guys if you want to travel do it, if you don't want to stay no dey vex me jare, NEPA never bring light since morning. 8 Likes |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Activedreamer: 6:30pm On May 09, 2018 |
peacengine:You don't think she's working because of the time she spends here? Cave man! Sorry. 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by theamerican(f): 6:33pm On May 09, 2018 |
peacengine: Which part of my posts said anything about the Nigerian government not coming to your rescue? I simply asked, between the two govts, which is likely to rescue a dual citizen? (it means who would you trust more to come to your aid). Black lives matter. Smh... You must have missed the part where I said I could also write a novel about the flaws of this country, I never said anywhere on earth was perfect lol. Read my posts again and understand them. I have been criticizing the mindset of some Nigerians and you just proved me right. You don't think I'm working because I post on Nairaland? The same way a Nigerian cop will see you holding an iPhone at 23 and say you must be a criminal for owning an expensive phone without any basis for the archaic assumption. Being paid per hour doesn't mean you have to slave away and not be able to excuse yourself to do other things in life within reason. Moreover, I type whatever I type in a few minutes lol. Some Nigerians! Smh. 31 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Ugosample(m): 6:55pm On May 09, 2018 |
Nig4Greatness: They are asking you to invest in their country in exchange for permanent residence it's an incentive, and it's still your money so its not a sale for citizenship in the real sense of it 1 Like |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Ugosample(m): 6:59pm On May 09, 2018 |
hammed71: just imagine in an oil producing country no light? that country should be ashamed of itself 9 Likes |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by Nig4Greatness: 9:21pm On May 09, 2018 |
theamerican:..... Thanks all the same for your response...There's no point insulting anyone here,it's a faceless forum and there are lots of kids here as well as those witht no real life experience..they are the bunch of people you will likely find on this type of thread. You see your thread headline is misleading or you are unknowingly derailing your own thread because you didn't focus on the subject matter. I wanted to see what makes your life so beautiful in America,your accomplishments,your real story,experiences and all that,or is that not what memoirs is all about ??.you ahould.focus on what works in the US because thats what people back home want to see,they already know whats not working in nigeria anyway,no need reminding them again.mere focusing more on what's not working in Nigeria is abusing the purpose of the thread. The point I try to make all along is that US vs Nigeria is a mismatch same thing you will say about Nigeria vs Burundi or Somalia. US is first world country while Nigeria is second world where the likes of somalia are regarded as third world.while US has a budget estimate of $4T,Nigeria has $25b and the likes of somalia has like $4b....the level of developments can't be the same ..that's the point.so the same way a typical Nigerian would prefer the US over Nigeria is same way a Somali would prefer Nigeria over somalia. In the end,simple reasoning would prevail that,if you can't be part of the solution don't be part of the problem. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by finestboy1: 9:30pm On May 09, 2018 |
theamerican:So true.. I can totally relate, I used to be Mr Patriotic.. Mr i will stay and make it Nigeria.. When I saw Dallas for the first time, I was like damn.. I have been living in a village all this while I was really wowed and impressed at what tax payers money is being utilized...I sometimes wish our leaders could replicate what they see when they travel abroad. 8 Likes |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by finestboy1: 9:33pm On May 09, 2018 |
philip0906:My thoughts exactly.. Why do our elites send their children abroad? Even your president dey UK for medical checkup because the healthcare system in Nigeria is Zero. The foreign touch is key here. 9 Likes |
Re: Is Life Abroad Worth The Stress And Hype? Memoirs Of A Naturalized Immigrant. by theamerican(f): 9:45pm On May 09, 2018 |
Nig4Greatness: Nice, but please answer the questions I asked. The topic of the thread does a good job and the follow-up posts that "derail" are just answers to counter-arguments. You're right, posting more about my experiences, etc. could help to keep it interesting but not posting it doesn't nullify what the whole point is. For example, posting details of how I came here, step-by-step info about how I naturalized, my current job or economic status is at my own discretion, and not necessary. "Memoirs of a Naturalized Immigrant" doesn't mean I'd document my whole life here. I still have the freedom to choose what I write. Please, I still wanna know your answers to my questions. Thanks. 12 Likes 1 Share |
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