Below is a list of saviors born by virgin, did great miracles, died and resurrected from death in different parts of the world before any Jesus Christ was born.

1 . Krishna of India.

2. Buddha of India.

3. Salivahana of Bermuda.

4. Osiris and Horus, of Egypt.

5. Odin of the Scandinavians.

6. Crite of Chaldea.

7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.

8. Baal and Taut, "the only Begotten of God," of Phenicia.

9. Indra of Thibet.

10. Bali of Afghanistan.

1 1 . Jao of Nepaul.

12. Wittoba of the Bilingonese.

13. Thammuz of Syria.

14. Atys of Phrygia.

15. Xaniolxis of Thrace.

16. Zoar of the Bonzes.

17. Adad of Assyria.

18. Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam.

19. Alcides of Thebes.

20. Mikado of the Sintoos.

21. Beddru of Japan.

22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.

23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.

24. Cadmus of Greece.

25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.

26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.

27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.

28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.

29. Divine Teacher of Plato.

30. HolyOneofXaca.

31 . Fohi and Tien of China.

32. Adonis, son of the virgin lo of Greece.

33. IxiOn and Quirinus of Rome.

34. Prometheus of Caucasus.

For further information, kindly google these names and make your own research. All of them lived long time before any Jesus was supposedly born.

See Top 10 Christ-like Saviors who died, resurrected from dead, saved the world before Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lokicIt996Q

Read this peace, has lots of info

musicwriter:
Below is a list of saviors born by virgin, did great miracles, died and resurrected from death in different parts of the world before Jesus Christ was born.

1 . Chrishna of Hindostan.

2. Budha Sakia of India.

3. Salivahana of Bermuda.

4. Osiris and Horus, of Egypt.

5. Odin of the Scandinavians.

6. Crite of Chaldea.

7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.

8. Baal and Taut, "the only Begotten of God," of Phenicia.

9. Indra of Thibet.

10. Bali of Afghanistan.

1 1 . Jao of Nepaul.

12. Wittoba of the Bilingonese.

13. Thammuz of Syria.

14. Atys of Phrygia.

15. Xaniolxis of Thrace.

16. Zoar of the Bonzes.

17. Adad of Assyria.

18. Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam.

19. Alcides of Thebes.

20. Mikado of the Sintoos.

21. Beddru of Japan.

22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.

23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.

24. Cadmus of Greece.

25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.

26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.

27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.

28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.

29. Divine Teacher of Plato.

30. HolyOneofXaca.

31 . Fohi and Tien of China.

32. Adonis, son of the virgin lo of Greece.

33. IxiOn and Quirinus of Rome.

34. Prometheus of Caucasus.

For further information, kindly google these names and make your own research. All of them lived long time before any Jesus was supposedly born.

@Op when will u write on Mohammed o.

musicwriter:


From beginning I've quoted historians, in fact, in the post you quoted, two of them (Celsus and Lucian of Samasota) didn't believe in the Jesus myth.

1). "convicted of adultery and had a child by a certain soldier named Pantera"............ Celsus.

Celsus here is saying that there was no Jesus of virgin birth. Celsus said Mary the mother of the supposed messiah was ''convicted of adultery''. So, he clearly did not believe in miraculous Jesus myth.

2). ''he was second only to that one whom they still worship today, the man in Palestine whom they crucified because he brought this new form of initiation into the world. Having convinced themselves that they are immortal and will live forever, the poor wretches despite death and most willingly give themselves to it. Moreover, that first lawgiver of theirs persuaded them that they are all brothers the moment they transgress and deny the Greek Gods and begin worshiping that crucified sophist and living by his laws.'' ............. Lucian of Samasota.

Lucian of Samasota was a comedian, and in the quote above he was poking fun at the stupidity of Christians who were martyring themselves in those early days of Christianity. He certainly did not believe in the Jesus myth, but was making fun of it. Historians say suicide was so high in those days in the name of Jesus so much that there was a decree to reprimand families if someone should kill himself among them.

I am not interested in Paul era, that's not what I opened this thread for. The Jesus myth already evolved by the time Paul picked it up. Anybody could be a victim from then on, which is why you are now. How to save you becomes a problem because once indoctrinated, the mind acts like a wall rejecting new information.

I can provide you books and audio books to save yourself. Satan has deceived the world to worship him and his name is Jesus.

first of all, the book written by Kenneth Humphreys which the websites you provide derived his reference is base on staggering leg, the author is not a historian,he claim. it is like a motor mechanic writing a book on how orthopedic doctor should attempt to treat a broken leg, it will be a time bomb. if not instant disaster . it is difficult to find out much about Mr Humphreys educational background –in his debate. with garry hubbemas, you can dig up the video online in which he lose by a clear margin. This is what his side provided for a curriculum vitae:

“Some people want to know where I’m coming from: I’m an ex-college lecturer, ex-photographer, ex-computer salesman – but not an ex-Christian, Jew, Moslem or Nazi! I had a religion-free childhood and from the youngest age acquired an interest in history. In turns I was both fascinated and appalled by the history of the ‘Christian Faith’ and have made its legacy and crimes a life-long study, not because – as Christian apologists often imagine, I was ever ‘hurt’, abused, or rejected by the Church or Christians – but because humanity’s fate has for so long been held captive by this pernicious creed. But all religion is inherently dangerous.”


Did you happen to check out Historical Review Press, the company Humphreys chose to publish his book? you will be disappointed, it is not even a good source for academic use. http://www.historicalreviewpress.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Review_Press

Another title in their distinguished religion series book is called “Did Jesus Really Have Holes in His Hands,” which can be yours for only 7 quid. As they say, “Are you up the rigours of intellectual challenge and the judgement of your peers? If so, the Historical Review Press is for you. Contact us today via the contact page on this site.” Reading the list of their “hard to find books” (with a smattering of reprints of others thrown in the measure) it felt very much like visiting a porn site. Not that I would know. To the extent that mythtics defends work like this by creeps like this, their microminority opinion will stay in the lower cellar with the rotting. this is enough not to wonder why kenneth book can not be consider or taking seriously in an academic cycle. it is founded on a staggering foundation. it lack merit and scholarly approach.

mind you , i am not a christian nor a Jesus ass licker, i am just a student who loves learning and prefer to uphold on the truth even if it disagree with what i want.so do not roped me with this Satan and jesus poo .


provide me some scholarly reported books that can stand rigorous academic challenge and not some bias or pseudo intellectual literature. I will be glad you did .

musicwriter:
Below is a list of saviors born by virgin, did great miracles, died and resurrected from death in different parts of the world before Jesus Christ was born.

1 . Krishna of India.

2. Buddha of India.

3. Salivahana of Bermuda.

4. Osiris and Horus, of Egypt.

5. Odin of the Scandinavians.

6. Crite of Chaldea.

7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.

8. Baal and Taut, "the only Begotten of God," of Phenicia.

9. Indra of Thibet.

10. Bali of Afghanistan.

1 1 . Jao of Nepaul.

12. Wittoba of the Bilingonese.

13. Thammuz of Syria.

14. Atys of Phrygia.

15. Xaniolxis of Thrace.

16. Zoar of the Bonzes.

17. Adad of Assyria.

18. Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam.

19. Alcides of Thebes.

20. Mikado of the Sintoos.

21. Beddru of Japan.

22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.

23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.

24. Cadmus of Greece.

25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.

26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.

27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.

28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.

29. Divine Teacher of Plato.

30. HolyOneofXaca.

31 . Fohi and Tien of China.

32. Adonis, son of the virgin lo of Greece.

33. IxiOn and Quirinus of Rome.

34. Prometheus of Caucasus.

For further information, kindly google these names and make your own research. All of them lived long time before any Jesus was supposedly born.

sure, i also do not accept Jesus was born by virgin as reported. This can be an interpolation in the bible or the fabricated part. but saying the personality Jesus did not exist is flawed as available historical evidence state otherwise.

op, it seems you have no evidence on fake Jesus, can you provide your scholarly evidence on fake Muhammad. i am patiently waiting .

vaxx:
sure, i also do not accept Jesus was born by virgin as reported. This can be an interpolation in the bible or the fabricated part. but saying the personality Jesus did not exist is flawed as available historical evidence state otherwise.

Where are the historical evidence that show the Jesus of the bible existed?

dalaman:


Where are the historical evidence that show the Jesus of the bible existed?

go thru this thread below, i pointed out a lot of evidence of biblical Jesus that has been confirm to be real not just by road side historians but from the reputable university source..( Cambridge and Emory) what is yet to be confirm is the miracle and the virgin birth ascribe to him. which i speculate it might not be true. https://www.nairaland.com/4398649/why-should-not-bother-debate.

vaxx:
go thru this thread below, i pointed out a lot of evidence of biblical Jesus that has been confirm to be real. what is yet to be confirm is the miracle and the virgin birth ascribe to him. which i speculate it might not be true. https://www.nairaland.com/4398649/why-should-not-bother-debate.

I've been through the thread. You haven't pointed out anything that shows historically that Jesus existed as a true historical figure, only some assumptions here and there.

dalaman:


I've been through the thread. You haven't pointed out anything that shows historically that Jesus existed as a true historical figure, only some assumptions here and there.

let those who will not be bias visit the thread and confirm it by themselves. i do not know which kind of evidence you want but i guess a hundred percent evidence. i can tell you, it will not be possible. unless you can create your own reversed timing machine, that will throw you back to the century Jesus was reported to walk Jerusalem. apart from that, i can only provide you an insightful argument that pointed biblical Jesus once existed. And note this time there was no bio metric to capture his finger print nor computer to record his data which will have been used today either in form of birthday certificate or international passport. it was a medieval period. most reliable evidence will have are from those who report about him.

vaxx:
go thru this thread below,
i pointed out a lot of evidence of biblical Jesus that has been confirm to be real
not just by road side historians but from the reputable university source..( Cambridge and Emory)
what is yet to be confirm is the miracle and the virgin birth ascribe to him

Please clearly express or rephrase what you mean by the above emboldened
Are you waving off and dismissing the miracle virgin birth of Jesus Christ?

vaxx:
let those who will not be bias visit the thread and confirm it by themselves. i do not know which kind of evidence you want but i guess a hundred percent evidence. i can tell you, it will not be possible. unless you can create your own reversed timing machine, that will throw you back to the century Jesus was reported to walk Jerusalem. apart from that, i can only provide you an insightful argument that pointed biblical Jesus once existed. And note this time there was no bio metric to capture his finger print nor computer to record his data which will have been used today either in form of birthday certificate or international passport. it was a medieval period. most reliable evidence will have are from those who report about him.

"
There is no physical or archaeological evidence for Jesus. All sources are documentary, mainly Christian writings, such as the gospels and the purported letters of the apostles. The authenticity and reliability of these sources has been questioned by many scholars, and few events mentioned in the gospels are universally accepted."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

vaxx:
sure, i also do not accept Jesus was born by virgin as reported. This can be an interpolation in the bible or the fabricated part. but saying the personality Jesus did not exist is flawed as available historical evidence state otherwise.

There were thousands or even millions of JesusES, but as long as you understand there was no Jesus born by a virgin, died and resurrected, walked on water, raised the dead, fed 5,000 people with two fishes, then the bible Jesus is fake.

There's no one else that would save you before any God, but your self. When you actually redeem yourself from the indoctrination of the bible Jesus (a tool that was used to enslave our ancestors) you redeem yourself.

dalaman:


"
There is no physical or archaeological evidence for Jesus. All sources are documentary, mainly Christian writings, such as the gospels and the purported letters of the apostles. The authenticity and reliability of these sources has been questioned by many scholars, and few events mentioned in the gospels are universally accepted."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

Even the wikipedia page you provide could not come up with consensus agreement if he exist or not. and to read m further reply on this wikipedia page, go thru the thread i provide , a moniker by the name winret post the same page. fortunately my response was less biased or influence by christians interest. it is pure academic work. go thru it once again

vaxx:
first of all, the book written by Kenneth Humphreys which the websites you provide derived his reference is base on staggering leg, the author is not a historian,he claim. it is like a motor mechanic writing a book on how orthopedic doctor should attempt to treat a broken leg, it will be a time bomb. if not instant disaster . it is difficult to find out much about Mr Humphreys educational background –in his debate. with garry hubbemas, you can dig up the video online in which he lose by a clear margin. This is what his side provided for a curriculum vitae:

“Some people want to know where I’m coming from: I’m an ex-college lecturer, ex-photographer, ex-computer salesman – but not an ex-Christian, Jew, Moslem or Nazi! I had a religion-free childhood and from the youngest age acquired an interest in history. In turns I was both fascinated and appalled by the history of the ‘Christian Faith’ and have made its legacy and crimes a life-long study, not because – as Christian apologists often imagine, I was ever ‘hurt’, abused, or rejected by the Church or Christians – but because humanity’s fate has for so long been held captive by this pernicious creed. But all religion is inherently dangerous.”


Did you happen to check out Historical Review Press, the company Humphreys chose to publish his book? you will be disappointed, it is not even a good source for academic use. http://www.historicalreviewpress.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Review_Press

Another title in their distinguished religion series book is called “Did Jesus Really Have Holes in His Hands,” which can be yours for only 7 quid. As they say, “Are you up the rigours of intellectual challenge and the judgement of your peers? If so, the Historical Review Press is for you. Contact us today via the contact page on this site.” Reading the list of their “hard to find books” (with a smattering of reprints of others thrown in the measure) it felt very much like visiting a porn site. Not that I would know. To the extent that mythtics defends work like this by creeps like this, their microminority opinion will stay in the lower cellar with the rotting. this is enough not to wonder why kenneth book can not be consider or taking seriously in an academic cycle. it is founded on a staggering foundation. it lack merit and scholarly approach.

mind you , i am not a christian nor a Jesus ass licker, i am just a student who loves learning and prefer to uphold on the truth even if it disagree with what i want.so do not roped me with this Satan and jesus poo .


provide me some scholarly reported books that can stand rigorous academic challenge and not some bias or pseudo intellectual literature. I will be glad you did .

Again, you keep pretending you're not reading between the lines.


Celsius that I mentioned earlier was a historian who lived early in the first century. He wrote a book; the true word. Its also called the true doctrine. This was the book Oriegen quoted from about what Celsius said about the adultery of Mary.

His books and many other dissenting voices were suppressed by the Roman Catholic church and banned in 448 CE by order of Valentinian III and Theodosius II.

Another early dissenting voice was a man named Porphyry- 234 AD, who wrote book like; the Philosophy from Oracles. This man alone wrote 15 books attacking early Christianity as a fraud. What happened? Rome banned his works and sent them to extinction. I can list more that 10 other authors in the 1800's, but I don't even consider that early enough.

What happened was that, once Rome hijacked Christianity, everything about God or how to know it centered on their opinion. People were killed for reading alternative bibles and that's why people ran into the desert to hide books. Such books were later discovered in caves by unenlightened people like Muhammad, who claimed Allah gave them a book.

You people should wake up and understand the white supremacy that originated the Christian faith. When Rome did not believe in Jesus, they killed those who believed, when Rome believed in Jesus, they killed who don't believe.

To understand this you need to understand the history of the Roman catholic church.

The history of the roman catholic church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMFajouWRcU

All through the old testament the jews where always at logger heads with their enemies and neighbours... The sages and prophet were always encouraging them to look forward to a glorious future devoid of war and oppression, it will be characterised by long lasting peace and tranquillity. The purpose of the Messiah was to usher this Era. He will be a king anointed by God just like Solomon, David.. Etc.
He will be a human like us, not a demigod. And he was coming once as no prophesy said anything about a second coming..
Isaiah captured it when he said "Nation will not rise against nation, they will beat their sword into ploughshares and learn of war no more."
This was their expectations, and all of a sudden somebody is telling them that the Messiah has come, that he died and will come again, so they turned a glorious future that people where looking forward to into a bloody past....

So people where like, where is the peace, nowhere... So who is this guy people claim is the Messiah.... And viola, the deception was exposed..


My own decoded reason why the deception was propagated ::to fulfil Daniel 7:25

musicwriter:


There were thousands or even millions of JesusES, but as long as you understand there was no Jesus born by a virgin, died and resurrected, walked on water, raised the dead, fed 5,000 people with two fishes, then the bible Jesus is fake.

There's no one else that would save you before any God, but your self. When you actually redeem yourself from the indoctrination of the bible Jesus (a tool that was used to enslave our ancestors) you redeem yourself.

you are not speaking to me. i am not a christian and i am less concerned about what he came to propagate . i am only interested in if he exist or not as a person and which i have not come across a rigorous study that state otherwise.in fact the only counter evidence are modern books which are not taking seriously in an academic cycle. NO SINGLE ANCIENT HISTORIAN CLAIM JESUS NEVER EXISTED.


religious books are written in a way to honor the center figure so do not treat religious book literally like an academic source, it is is faith based not scholarly based position. you can only study the sequence in the write up to adjudge if the book is actually rooted on a reliable source, all miracle documented to honor him might not even be true, but his personality surely exist, available evidence shows. i see him as a philosopher rather than a messiah .

MuttleyLaff:
Please clearly express or rephrase what you mean by the above emboldened
Are you waving off and dismissing the miracle virgin birth of Jesus Christ?

yes no Single rigorous study to show he was born by a virgin, apart from what the bible stated . so the acceptance that he was born by a virgin is faith based in which i have no issues with.

selemempe:
I am a christian through and through...a catholic...but I see sense in what the op is saying. Religion and culture are tied together. It will be conflicting if ur religion and ur culture are dissimilar. U will end up contradicting urself. Africa is today majorly christian or muslim. These 2 religions are alien to our cultures. That is why u can see that there is peace in saudi arabia. No terrorism in all of the Real Arab world (saudi, oman, qatar, uae, kuwait). That is why u cannot see extreemly rich pastors in europe.
The richest pastors in the world today are found in poor nigeria. All other muslim countries apart from the real arabs and maybe malaysia are battling terror

people like you are the reasons for our problems today . you know what you practice is wrong yet you do it. This is called slavery.

musicwriter:


Again, you keep pretending you're not reading between the lines.


Celsius that I mentioned earlier was a historian who lived early in the first century. He wrote a book; the true word. Its also called the true doctrine. This was the book Oriegen quoted from about what Celsius said about the adultery of Mary.

His books and many other dissenting voices were suppressed by the Roman Catholic church and banned in 448 CE by order of Valentinian III and Theodosius II.

Another early dissenting voice was a man named Porphyry- 234 AD, who wrote book like; the Philosophy from Oracles. This man alone wrote 15 books attacking early Christianity as a fraud. What happened? Rome banned his works and sent them to extinction. I can list more that 10 other authors in the 1800's, but I don't even consider that early enough.

What happened was that, once Rome hijacked Christianity, everything about God or how to know it centered on their opinion. People were killed for reading alternative bibles and that's why people ran into the desert to hide books. Such books were later discovered in caves by unenlightened people like Muhammad, who claimed Allah gave them a book.

You people should wake up and understand the white supremacy that originated the Christian faith. When Rome did not believe in Jesus, they killed those who believed, when Rome believed in Jesus, they killed who don't believe.

To understand this you need to understand the history of the Roman catholic church.

The history of the roman catholic church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMFajouWRcU

stop showing me youtube videos to portray your evidence , it is non-scholarly. No single academia will take you seriously with this very concept. i only rely on youtube videos if i am to watch past football matches or how to buckle my shoe if possible. let me recommend a suitable academic source for you , use google scholars ,google books or mandalin , a community blog of intellectual to discuss and pass your message. youtube is not an academic reference page. i assume you have known better.


i clearly understand the historical record of roman catholic and besides i am pan africanist ,therefore not brainwashed.

vaxx:
Even the wikipedia page you provide could not come up with consensus agreement if he exist or not. and to read m further reply on this wikipedia page, go thru the thread i provide , a moniker by the name winret post the same page. fortunately my response was less biased or influence by christians interest. it is pure academic work. go thru it once again

That's the point. There is no consensus that he existed as a person historically or not. There are only assumptions that he did exist as a historical person.

dalaman:


That's the point. There is no consensus that he existed as a person historically or not. There are only assumptions that he did exist as a historical person.

then we should not be debating it then as if there is factual information that state he did not exist, it does not flawed the available assumptions that state otherwise. unless we just want to be biased like the op.

vaxx:
then we should not be debating it then as if there is factual information that state he did not exist, it does not flawed the available assumptions that that state otherwise. unless we just want to be biased like the op.

I lean towards the assumption that he existed. Just that there isn't a very clear historical evidence for it as one will like.

dalaman:


I lean towards the assumption that he existed. Just that there isn't a very clear historical evidence for it as one will like.

it is better to be open in such issues rather than come up with a conclusion that he did not exist. No true historians that have taken time to study the bible sequence in parallel with external information will be bold enough to say he never existed. there are other ways to attack Christianity rather than splitting this unfounded claim. DO YOU NOTICE THE OP IS SILENT ON FAKE MUHAMMED.

vaxx:
stop showing me youtube videos to portray you evidence , it is non-scholarly. No single academia will take you seriously with this very concept. i only rely on youtube videos if i am to watch pass football matches or how to buckle my shoe if possible. let me recommend a suitable academic source for you , use google scholars ,google books or mandalin , a community blog of intellectual to discuss and pass your message. youtube is not an academic reference page. i assume you have known better.

i clearly understand the historical record of roman catholic and besides i am pan africanist ,therefore not brainwashed.

The youtube video I post here are not movies, but documentary. A documentary is a scholarly researched teaching in video. We live in the modern age where video and even audio are being used to disseminate ''scholarly'' works.

The so called education with scholarly proves of Jesus's existence or non-existence were created by the same Europeans to justify their white supremacist view. So you as an African is merely an observer in the worlds's knowledge manufactory. Education is not ours!. Religion is not ours!. Scholarly or non scholarly, as far as this is concerned, you are bound to intellectual servitude that we didn't create, and your insistence on ''scholarly'' proves throws this whole discussion into something else, which is the intellectual slavery- the second branch of our enslavement.

That's by the way.

Again, Celsius, a historian (178 AD) wrote a book titled, the true word, in which he exposed the fraud in Christianity. Rome banned his works, but his work was quoted by Oriegen about Mary's adultery.

Another historian was Porphyry- 234 AD, who wrote book like; the Philosophy from Oracles. I said, this man alone wrote 15 books attacking early Christianity as a fraud. His works were also banned by Rome.

Lucian of Samasota (120 AD) satired early Christianity in his writings, calling them dumb believers. He said Christians worship a ''sophist'' a deceiver.

vaxx:
it is better to be open in such issues rather than come up with a conclusion that he did not exist. No true historians that have taken time to study the bible sequence in parallel with external information will be bold enough to say he never existed. there are other ways to attack Christianity rather than splitting this unfounded claim.

There are true historians that have stated that Jesus did not exist. Many biblical characters are not historical. From Adam down to Moses are not historical. Jesus himself has not been established to be a historical person with objective evidence, Jesus is said to exist as a historical person only based on assumptions.

dalaman:


There are true historians that have stated that Jesus did not exist. Many biblical characters are not historical. From Adam down to Moses are not historical. Jesus himself has not been established to be a historical person with objective evidence, Jesus is said to exist as a historical person only based on assumptions.

JUST GIVE ME ONE, PLEASE ENSURE IT IS RELIABLE. I WILL SCRUTINIZE HIS WORK HERE just like i did to the op book. the discussion is about jesus, i care less about adam and moses. that was even around 3 thousand years before jesus.

vaxx:
JUST GIVE ME ONE, PLEASE ENSURE IT IS RELIABLE. I WILL SCRUTINIZE HIS WORK HERE just like i did to the op book. the discussion is about jesus, i care less about adam and moses. that was even around 3 thousand years before jesus.

Richard Carrier. He has a PhD in ancient history.

vax:
JUST GIVE ME ONE, PLEASE ENSURE IT IS RELIABLE. I WILL SCRUTINIZE HIS WORK HERE just like i did to the op book. the discussion is about jesus, i care less about adam and moses. that was even around 3 thousand years before jesus.

Books that will tell you the origin of religion; some of them as the name implies talks about where the Jesus myth came from.

Christianity before Christ- John G. Jackson

Who wrote the new testament? The making of the Christian myth- by Burten L. Mack

The Christ Myth- T. W. Doane.

Bible myths and their parallel in other religions............ by T.W Doane

The sixteen crucified saviors- Kersey Graves

Jesus never existed- Kenneth Humphreys

The Greatest Deception Ever sold- Rabbi Edward L. Nydle & Levi bar Ido

101 Myths of the Bible: How Ancient Scribes Invented Biblical History- Gary Greenberg

Christianity before Christ............ by John G. Jackson

A history of God............ by Karen Amstrong

The Christ Myth............ T. W. Doane.

Anacalypsis............ Higgins.

The sixteen crucified saviors............ Kersey Graves

Jesus never existed............ Kenneth Humphreys

101 Myths of the Bible: How Ancient Scribes Invented Biblical History............ Gary Greenberg

Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth............ by John G. Jackson (this one is just a pamphlet)

Bible Myths- ............Rev. Dr. Richard B. Westbrook.

The Paganism in Our Christianity............ Sir Arthur Weigall.

The Evolution of Christianity............ L. Gordon Rylands.

A Short History of Christianity............ J. M. Robertson.

Pagan and Christian Creeds............ Edward Carpenter.

Pagan Christs............ Gerald Massey.

Christianity and Mythology............ Arthur Drews.

Who is this son of glory?............

Caesar's Messiah............

The biggest secret............

Forged............ Bart D. Ehrman

How Jesus became God............ Bart E. Ehrman

The planting of Christianity in Africa............

Myths and deception of the bible............

The greatest story never told............

The history and falsehood of Christianity............

The council of Nicea............ T W. Dwayne

Anacalypsis............ Godfrey Higgins

Death of an evil God............

The scrolls of Adam and Eve............

Deceptions and myths of the Bible............

Prophetic mesonary............

Christian myth and ritual: a historical study............ E. O. James

Myth and ritual in Christianity............ Alan W. Watts

The world's saviors............ Charles H. Vail

The psychic stream: The source and growth of the Christian faith............ Arthur Findlay

Did Jesus really live?............

The lost scriptures: books that did not make it into the new testament............ Bart E. Ehrman

Incredible shrinking son of man: How reliable is the gospel tradition?............ Robert M. Price

The life of Constantine............

The ecclesiastical histories............

Was there no historical Jesus?............

Mythology's last God: Yahweh and Jesus............ by William Harwood

The historical origins of Christianity............ by Walter Williams

Christianity, Islam and the negro race.............

Ancient Egypt the light of the world- Gerald Massey

Bible myths and their parallel in other religions- T.W Doane

Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth by John G. Jackson 1941 (this one is just a pamphlet)

Bible Myths- Rev. Dr. Richard B. Westbrook.

The Paganism in Our Christianity- Sir Arthur Weigall.

The Evolution of Christianity- L. Gordon Rylands.

A Short History of Christianity- J. M. Robertson.

Pagan and Christian Creeds- Edward Carpenter.

Pagan Christs- Gerald Massey.

Christianity and Mythology- Arthur Drews.

Anacalypsis- Higgins.

The Book of the Dead- The Hieroglyphic Transcript of the Papyrus of ANI- E. A. Wallis Budge.

musicwriter:


The youtube video I post here are not movies, but documentary. A documentary is a scholarly researched teaching in video. We live in the modern age where video and even audio are being used to disseminate ''scholarly'' works.

The so called education with scholarly proves of Jesus's existence or non-existence were created by the same Europeans to justify their white supremacist view. So you as an African is merely an observer in the worlds's knowledge manufactory. Education is not ours!. Religion is not ours!. Scholarly or non scholarly, as far as this is concerned, you are bound to intellectual servitude that we didn't create, and your insistence on ''scholarly'' proves throws this whole discussion into something else, which is the intellectual slavery- the second branch of our enslavement.

That's by the way.

Again, Celsius, a historian (178 AD) wrote a book titled, the true word, in which he exposed the fraud in Christianity. Rome banned his works, but his work was quoted by Oriegen about Mary's adultery.

Another historian was Porphyry- 234 AD, who wrote book like; the Philosophy from Oracles. I said, this man alone wrote 15 books attacking early Christianity as a fraud. His works were also banned by Rome.

Lucian of Samasota (120 AD) satired early Christianity in his writings, calling them dumb believers. He said Christians worship a ''sophist'' a deceiver.

yes you are right but how reliable it is, is the bone of discussion, i mean the evidence that can be gotten from youtube. if you may want know, YouTube videos cannot provide the content in detail because videos has got it's own limitations. You cannot get into the mind of an author just by watching YouTube videos. If you want a detailed information which an author is trying to convey, then reading books is definitely the best option.

Watching YouTube videos will give you a gist of knowledge, whereas reading books will give you a detailed information of that knowledge which you are trying to acquire. it is better as an educated mind to decend on books while watching youtube video to validate it. that is how it is done in an academic cycle.



with the italic aspect, you must be joking, education is not limited to the Europeans nor white folks alone. we have our educational system in African too. we learn and educate ourselves even before the adventure of the western. not having a formal education system does not mean equate illiteracy. in fact formal education system is a late comer. education start in African right from from homes. scholarly is based on what was done under rigorous research in which does not let Africans alone. instead of you relying on smear internet campaign , you yourself can as well take this approach on your kind self and personally come up with findings that will be both welcome and accept among scholars who also go thru the same method. so it is not for white supremacy as you said.


And to the rest of your point, it is founded on shaky foundation. it does not in anyway disqualified jesus existence but a mere campaign to attack Christianity. WHERE IS IT IN THAT OF BOOK THAT WAS WRITTEN AFTER 200 YEARS THAT STATE JESUS NEVER EXIST.

musicwriter:


Books that will tell you the origin of religion; some of them as the name implies talks about fake Christ.

Christianity before Christ- John G. Jackson

The Christ Myth- T. W. Doane.

Anacalypsis- Higgins.

The sixteen crucified saviors- Kersey Graves

Bible Myths- Rev. Dr. Richard B. Westbrook.

The Paganism in Our Christianity- Sir Arthur Weigall.

The Evolution of Christianity- L. Gordon Rylands.

A Short History of Christianity- J. M. Robertson.

Pagan and Christian Creeds- Edward Carpenter.

Pagan Christs- Gerald Massey.

Christianity and Mythology- Arthur Drews.

The Book of the Dead- The Hieroglyphic Transcript of the Papyrus of ANI- E. A. Wallis Budge.

i have seen this one in particular i can tell you it is not taken seriously. i will post the review of his work here if you wish. while i will let the audience try to view the rest by themselves

dalaman:


Richard Carrier. He has a PhD in ancient history.

his book name pls