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Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by Paradigm777: 11:12am On Jun 03, 2018
ElsonMorali:


Blasphemy.

Every death no matter how gruesome is accommodated in God's will.

Nothing that happens in this life is outside the will of God.

That man is a fake. You better change your church. He doesn't know what he's speaking about.

To suggest that some things can happen outside of God's will is to suggest that God is not Omniscient or Omnipotent. That is blasphemy.
Person wey go sleep with olosho Com contact HIV, and smoke sotey Com carry cancer and then finally die na God's will abi?

God is omnipresent I.e He is everywhere but does not manifest Himself everywhere. Omniscient... He knows everything but does not control everything
The will of God is in 3 fold
1.perfect will of God
2.acceptable will of God
3.good will of God
ROMANS 12:2

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Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by karlboss: 11:18am On Jun 03, 2018
DavidEsq:

Since that's how u understand "giving up the ghost", so answer dis:
So before he gave up the ghost, was he holding onto the ghost and cld no longer hold it and decided to let go of it or as u put it, gave it up?
Since u said it's nature that takes one out, shebi boko haram, accident, murderous house wives, yahoo+ are also nature abi.
Olodo ni e!
Let me answer the second paragraph with a very popular example.
Do you know Thurston shaw. The famous archeologist who worked on Igbo ukwu in Anambra and discovered some skull work in iwe elero in either osun or Ondo state. When he was in His 60 he fell very sick the doctor told him time up, something suddenly happened a woman a Canadian researcher wanted to know about his archeologist work in Africa after some time they fell in love on his sick bed the guy suddenly woke up became Normal married the woman gave birth and lived till 90 something years. How can you explain this and so many examples i can't write here.
My brother it is a mystery we can't understand.

For your last paragraph I swear I have nothing to say about that because we can't say if it's God will or Satan will but or our human will [/quote]
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by SuperWorld(m): 11:19am On Jun 03, 2018
ElsonMorali:


Blasphemy.

Every death no matter how gruesome is accommodated in God's will.

Nothing that happens in this life is outside the will of God.

That man is a fake. You better change your church. He doesn't know what he's speaking about.

To suggest that some things can happen outside of God's will is to suggest that God is not Omniscient or Omnipotent. That is blasphemy.
Though I didn't watch the video (actually no Mb to YouTube) But I believe Not every death is the will of God, Noah would av disobeyed God n died - That wouldn't be God's will, God gat an escape plan for lot and his folks ....but lots wife looked back n perish- that's not the will of God, ....
Two factors whether you live or not, God's words and ur decisions....

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Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by Geesaintagape: 11:20am On Jun 03, 2018
Blackman n superstitions.
We all did basic sciences death is a feature of living things. No fixed time for death to strike. In times of war many die;in times of deadly disease epidemics many dies,in time natural disaster many die.
The challenges is for man improve his life expectancy through peace, security, healthy care,amenities like good road,good economy,good political xture.

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Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by charlsecy(m): 11:25am On Jun 03, 2018
ElsonMorali:
Nothing that happens in this life is outside the will of God.
What is the purpose of Judgement since everything is GOD's Will? Why would murderers be judged if they acted "In GOD's Will?"
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by chccho(m): 11:25am On Jun 03, 2018
People that committed suicide is it their will or the will of God? Is it their hand or the hand of God they used to commit murder?
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by CAPSLOCKED: 11:28am On Jun 03, 2018
herraph:


Was eve eating of the fruit in the garden part of God's will ?


"EVERYTHING IS GOD'S WILL", THE BIBLE MENTIONED THAT COUNTLESSLY.

BESIDES GOD KNEW EVE WOULD EAT THE FRUIT BEFORE PLANTING IT. HE KNEW THEY'D SUCCUMB TO THE DEVILS TRICK EVEN BEFORE HE CREATED THE WORLD... DIDN'T HE?

LET'S ASSUME THAT EVE DIDN'T EAT THE FRUIT.. NO SIN, NO DEATH.
WHAT WAS GOD'S INTENTION WHEN HE DESIGNED THE CARNIVOROUS ANIMALS? THE PARASITES THAT DEPENDS ON OTHER LIVING ORGANISMS (INCLUDING MAN) FOR SURVIVAL?
LIONS AND CROCODILES DON'T EAT SAND. FROM THEIR DENTITION AND DIGESTIVE SYSTEM IT'S OBVIOUS THAT THOSE GUYS WERE BUILT TO CONSUME ANIMALS (AND HUMANS).
IMAGINE THINGS DON'T DIE.. DO YOU KNOW HOW POPULATED THE EARTH WILL BE AFTER 4BILLION YEARS OF EXISTENCE? TREES, ANIMALS, HUMANS, FISHES, SOIL DWELLERS.. ETC.

SO IT'S GOD'S PLAN THAT EVERYTHING DIES. IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE THEN YOU ADMIT THERE'S NO GOD, AND EVERYTHING JUST WORKS NATURALLY WITHOUT ANY SUPERNATURAL DESIGN.

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Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by KardinalZik(m): 11:33am On Jun 03, 2018
femi4:
You are wrong, Every death is not the will of God. The "will" we are talking about here represent God's desire. He's aware of every death but not all death are his will

You cannot compare Jesus' death to that of Judas Iscariot

Mt 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

did that prayer eventually save him from dying on the cross?
EVERY DEATH IS THE WILL OF GOD! Period!!!
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by Tripleclick(m): 11:33am On Jun 03, 2018
ElsonMorali:


Blasphemy.

Every death no matter how gruesome is accommodated in God's will.

Nothing that happens in this life is outside the will of God.

That man is a fake. You better change your church. He doesn't know what he's speaking about.

To suggest that some things can happen outside of God's will is to suggest that God is not Omniscient or Omnipotent. That is blasphemy.
Some deaths are man made
.. Sin kills easily... And it is not the will of God for a man to sin

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Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ElsonMorali: 11:35am On Jun 03, 2018
Tripleclick:
Some deaths are man made
.. Sin kills easily... And it is not the will of God for a man to sin

Are you saying that God couldn't have prevented the death?
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ElsonMorali: 11:36am On Jun 03, 2018
SuperWorld:

Though I didn't watch the video (actually no Mb to YouTube) But I believe Not every death is the will of God, Noah would av disobeyed God n died - That wouldn't be God's will, God gat an escape plan for lot and his folks ....but lots wife looked back n perish- that's not the will of God, ....
Two factors whether you live or not, God's words and ur decisions....

So are you saying that God does not have the power to prevent certain deaths?
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by JourneytoEL(f): 11:38am On Jun 03, 2018
ollah2:




Why would souls be marked to die for God? Especially is his religious houses or on the way from there or to the place?
Why would he allow sorrow to come to the families of the deceased just to prove a point or two?

the answers you seek are beyond my level of spirituality and I'm reluctant to answer in order to avoid been wrong but based on my assumption, it strengthens the faith of many Christians, e. g I know someone who became very serious with the faith after reading about the bravery of Leah Sheribu,all of Jesus' disciples were matyred except John who did not die from his wounds(he was healed) and their bravery led to many conversions and the steady growth of christainity till the billions we have worshiping God today,as for their family, they are usually consoled with the Grace of the Spirit and the Faith their loved ones have inherited eternal life

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Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ElsonMorali: 11:38am On Jun 03, 2018
Paradigm777:

Person wey go sleep with olosho Com contact HIV, and smoke sotey Com carry cancer and then finally die na God's will abi?

God is omnipresent I.e He is everywhere but does not manifest Himself everywhere. Omniscient... He knows everything but does not control everything
The will of God is in 3 fold
1.perfect will of God
2.acceptable will of God
3.good will of God
ROMANS 12:2

I'm sure you don't even know the meaning of the Bible verses you've quoted.

How is God's will perfect if it doesn't encompass all of his creation? If something can happen outside of God's will how is his will perfect?
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ElsonMorali: 11:39am On Jun 03, 2018
herraph:


I'm shocked Even a Muslim knows that not every death is the will of God.

Some death is not the will of God.

No wonder Muslim are gone far than xtian in Nigeria.

Don't let your pastor deceive u. Not every death is the will of God.

So are you saying that God is powerless to prevent the killings of Christians by Boko Haram?
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by vicardino(m): 11:39am On Jun 03, 2018
Jesus died for the completion of his assignment, his main purpose of coming into this world was to die so that he could grant us victory over death amongst other things. Are you dying early to complete your own assignment?
seguno2:
Did Jesus Christ not die early?
Was it not the will of God or what is this one saying
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by CeeKay17: 11:39am On Jun 03, 2018
ElsonMorali:


Blasphemy.

Every death no matter how gruesome is accommodated in God's will.

Nothing that happens in this life is outside the will of God.

That man is a fake. You better change your church. He doesn't know what he's speaking about.

To suggest that some things can happen outside of God's will is to suggest that God is not Omniscient or Omnipotent. That is blasphemy.
bellazz:
this is man just spew rubbish.... All things happened according to the will of Almighty God.. be it Good or bad as we humans may perceived it... but believe me or not... everything happens for it's goodness which may not seem apparent to us as human.. be it the death of toddler or old, promising child or retarded ones.... sleep death or painful ones.... All are from the wills and knowledge of God Almighty.... Beware of what you read and watch... thanks
Yoruba will say... ALAPADUPE NI OLOHUN.... meaning God Almighty is the one who kills and we Appreciate.
God does not impose his will on mankind. Abi did he intentionally create Lucifer so he can turn him into the devil and unleash evil on the world?
Was it his will to make Adam to eat the forbidden fruit so he can curse mankind and make us suffer?
To suggest that everything that goes on in this world including evil such as ISIS, Boko-Haram, Rape, Murder, Rituals, Adultery, Incest, Homosexuality etc is the will or God?
God does not have a hand in every single thing that happens in this world except you're saying God wishes us evil?
You guys should stop this "will of God" thing. Not everything that happens on this earth is the will of God
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ElsonMorali: 11:42am On Jun 03, 2018
ollah2:





So when people die in religious places such as Mosques, churches, synagogues et al, it's Gods will? Or when they die on their way or when trhey just finished praying to Him?

If it is not God's will then they won't die. To say that something happens without God willing it is to commit a blasphemy.

Death is not the end of life in case you don't know. It's not even the worst thing that can happen to man.

There are worse things than death.

Don't let your pastor scare you with the idea of death.

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Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by vicardino(m): 11:43am On Jun 03, 2018
Jesus died for the completion of his assignment, his main purpose of coming into this world was to die so that he could grant us victory over death amongst other things. Are you dying early to complete your own assignment?
seguno2:
Did Jesus Christ not die early?
Was it not the will of God or what is this one saying
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by menix(m): 11:43am On Jun 03, 2018
betty3:

You are right, any prophecy that did not come to pass was never from God

Meaning God did no send Jonah to Ninivea
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ollah2: 11:45am On Jun 03, 2018
JourneytoEL:
the answers you seek are beyond my level of spirituality and I'm reluctant to answer in order to avoid been wrong but based on my assumption, it strengthens the faith of many Christians, e. g I know someone who became very serious with the faith after reading about the bravery of Leah Sheribu,all of Jesus' disciples were matyred except John who did not die from his wounds(he was healed) and their bravery led to many conversions and the steady growth of christainity till the billions we have worshiping God today,as for their family, they are usually consoled with the Grace of the Spirit and the Faith their loved ones have inherited eternal life


It doesn't strengthen anything but weakens it. Example, worshippers got killed in the house of God. They were praying to Him and yet they died. Or perhaps on their way to the place of worship or out of the place. Do you know the number of people that have died in these circumstances? Must blood be wasted to strengthen whatever?

Regarding Leah, I strongly commend her for her bravery and I hope she returns safe in one piece. I doubt if a matured person would have done that, they would have done anything for their survival and return to their previous self when they get home safely.
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ElsonMorali: 11:45am On Jun 03, 2018
SuperWorld:

Though I didn't watch the video (actually no Mb to YouTube) But I believe Not every death is the will of God, Noah would av disobeyed God n died - That wouldn't be God's will, God gat an escape plan for lot and his folks ....but lots wife looked back n perish- that's not the will of God, ....
Two factors whether you live or not, God's words and ur decisions....

To say that some things are outside God's will is to deny his power over all things.
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by SuperWorld(m): 11:46am On Jun 03, 2018
ElsonMorali:


So are you saying that God does not have the power to prevent certain deaths?
M not a pastor but I can answer that as well.
God have set some laws and principles for men to follow.....
and.... he that breaks the hedge shall the serpent bite...
He can prevent any death of course. ...
But .....he shows mercy to whom he wants to show....

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Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by JourneytoEL(f): 11:47am On Jun 03, 2018
DavidEsq:

Before u post doz scriptures, cld u read Job 34:10?
Job 34:10--far be it from God to do evil and wickedness(summary),it depends on what you refer to as evil and wickedness, paying bad for good is an example of what evil and wickedness is not the death of a righteous man which causes jubilation or bringing about a war to take people back to the worship of God, as I said the thoughts of man and God ain't the same
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ElsonMorali: 11:48am On Jun 03, 2018
CeeKay17:

Are you saying God intentionally created Adam & Eve and put the forbidden fruit in the garden, then it was his will for Adam to eat the fruit so he can curse mankind and make the world suffer the way it's suffering today
Are you also saying he created Lucifer and it was his will for Lucifer to rebel against him so he can throw him out and turn him to the devil?

Just one question for you. Do you believe that God is already in the future and knows exactly everything that will happen in the future?

If he does why did he create Satan if he knew that Satan will cause havoc?

When you've answered that then your eyes will be opened.
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by KardinalZik(m): 11:49am On Jun 03, 2018
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand (Deuteronomy 32:39).

The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.
The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up (1 Samuel 2:6-7).

NOTHING EVER HAPPENS OUTSIDE THE WILL AND KNOWLEDGE OF GOD.

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Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ollah2: 11:49am On Jun 03, 2018
ElsonMorali:


If it is not God's will then they won't die. To say that something happens without God willing it is to commit a blasphemy.

Death is not the end of life in case you don't know. It's not even the worst thing that can happen to man.

There are worse things than death.

Don't let your pastor scare you with the idea of death.


Oh so God is cool with people dying in his religious houses? Why would he let that happen when the bolded already happened ?


vicardino:
Jesus died for the completion of his assignment, his main purpose of coming into this world was to die so that he could grant us victory over death amongst other things. Are you dying early to complete your own assignment?
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by bionixs: 11:50am On Jun 03, 2018
nepapole:
Every death is the will of God.
so it's GOD WILL that one should die early and go to hell as an armed robber after several warning to change ,abi ?? just make sure say you hold yourself hand as you they accuse GOD. for those giving you likes for your opata view, they need a doctor.
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by femi4: 11:50am On Jun 03, 2018
KardinalZik:


did that prayer eventually save him from dying on the cross?
EVERY DEATH IS THE WILL OF GOD! Period!!!
listen to yourself, you use Jesus' death account to judge all deaths. Indeed, you see in part and know in part. You don't have the FULL grasp of God's word
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ElsonMorali: 11:51am On Jun 03, 2018
sirkingz455:
is a lie if your brother kill you with a gun now you say is God will now please don't deceive yourself please

So whose will is it?
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ElsonMorali: 11:52am On Jun 03, 2018
Barywhyte:


You sound like a Muslim. Are u one? If you are, then there is not much I can say here to manage your orientation.

But watch it! Blasphemy and a graveous accussaion against God like the one u made above may elude forgiveness even if it's made in utter ignorance

Is that what your pastor told you or what you deduced by ACTUALLY thinking for yourself?
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by Tripleclick(m): 11:54am On Jun 03, 2018
ElsonMorali:


Are you saying that God couldn't have prevented the death?
God can.. Only if you have his grace... Only his children can be saved... You cannot be a cultist and be killed and tell me it is the will of God... What if Yu repented beforehand? Will you still die?
Re: Pastor Sunday Adelaja: Can Early Death Of A Person Be The Will Of God? by ElsonMorali: 11:54am On Jun 03, 2018
tbaby534:


So are you saying the wars and deadly diseases in this generation is God's Will? I dont know the God you serve but Yahweh is not a wicked God

When Yahweh allowed the Egyptian army to perish in the Sea of Reeds was He wicked then?

When he knew that Adam and Eve would fall yet planted that tree in the Garden, was he wicked then?

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