MISEDUCATIONS:

then use that wisdom to decode this: may God make your womb expire this year and your make your ovaries as useless as water. if by some miracle you do get a child may he be sickle all the days of his life and die young as a curse for being born to a dumb womb-owner. may all the fruit of your womb just be a disappointment that you will be forced to have your womb removed.
in the name of Jesus i pray that you become as infertile as a doll. just like you are empty-brained as one. may God make this curse come on you and you make no use of that cursed womb.

ubunja, if you have respect for that appendage between your legs never insult me like this again. this is the last time i will reply any of your mentions on nairaland. you have proved to me that you are nothing more than a barbarian

mimimile93:
we don't legalized abortion because condom is cheap

condom is cheap but many nigerian men are dumb enough not to use it especially catholics

Tajbol4splend:




We are too many in naija, that's not an acceptable fact.

what aboit the mental and physical wellbeing of the pregnant mother, you just ignored that part

let me borrow a few words from my friend mrbrownjay1,
with all the stories of:
[b]- pedos/fathers having sex with even their biological children
- rampant rape in Nigeria
- trend of newborn babies being thrown in dustbins
- babies being sold to ritualists
- vast amount of unwanted children begging at traffic lights
- foolish people having unprotected sex with strangers
- women selling their bodies for money
- unwanted children in orphanages that NOBODY wants to adopt, due to rubbish Nigerian beliefs and/or ego
-ignorant men who think they are alpha males but in reality are just barbarians who want to give AIDS to teenage girls.
- or just foolish people wanting to have kids without having any means to care for them
etc e

funmisticqueen:
ubunja, if you have respect for that appendage between your legs never insult me like this again. this is the last time i will reply any of your mentions on nairaland. you have proved to me that you are nothing more than a barbarian

barbarians kill innocent unborn babies that cant defend themselves.
here is another curse for the road. with the blood of Jesus may your womb shrivel and be like a barren desert unable to produce anything living. may you never know the joy of holding a new born baby for you have proven to be a bloodthirsty barbarian worse than the monsters in prison who atleast kill grown ups who can defend themselves.
God please make this life-hating feminist barren all the days of her life.i pray.

funmisticqueen:
let me borrow a few words from my friend mrbrownjay1,
with all the stories of:-
- pedos/fathers having sex with even their biological children
- rampant rape in Nigeria
- trend of newborn babies being thrown in dustbins
- babies being sold to ritualists
- vast amount of unwanted children begging at traffic lights
- foolish people having unprotected sex with strangers
- women selling their bodies for money
- unwanted children in orphanages that NOBODY wants to adopt, due to rubbish Nigerian beliefs and/or ego
-ignorant men who think they are alpha males but in reality are just barbarians who want to give AIDS to teenage girls.
- or just foolish people wanting to have kids without having any means to care for them
etc e

then go to the West where arbotion is legal and enjoy the benefits of population control.
what benefits are those?
NONE. because they are now clamoring making noise for immigrants to be allowed into western countries.
and why? because they are now underpopulated
they played God and nature outplayed them. go to google and see that in the US the birth rates are at their lowest in decades. the old are living longer thanx to modern medicine and the productive age group (18-35) is so small thanx to decades of arbotion, so now the productive are outnumbered by the dependent who are on pension and welfare. now what? import people. how? immigration. the price to be paid? the immigrants are moslems and they bring foreign cultures and religions. examples? Population and Culture experts are saying by 2030 Germany wont have a pure German race. it will be mixed. bye bye Arian race.
it all starts with arbotions.

funmisticqueen:
please i am a health professional, i know what an aborted fetus looks like

then you should know the later the arbotion happens the more developed will be the baby.
a baby arboted in the first trimester will look different from a baby aborted at the second trimester.

as a health professional you should also know babies in the womb can hear the voice of the mother. its a human! and you wanna flush that down the toilet? your feminism is making your brain turn to sewage. being equal to a man does not have to mean you also stop making babies like men . dumb feminist

funmisticqueen:
you are yet to prove to me that abortion is murder. please stop regurgitating what your pastors fed you here

in what way have you proven to me that it isn't? whatever trash you type to in your defense just have it at the back of your mind that it is your word against mine so i have a right to my opinion which vy the way dosent come from any pastor.

Cuteamigo1:
in what way have you proven to me that it isn't? whatever trash you type to in your defense just have it at the back of your mind that it is your word against mine so i have a right to my opinion which vy the way dosent come from any pastor.

you saying that abortion is murder is the same thing as saying a spontaneous miscarriage is manslaughter because in both cases the fetus is lost, one because the host's body rejected the fetus, while the second had the fetus removed. In essence you are saying that all women who miscarry are murderers because the two terms are used interchangeably in medicine

see ehn, women should not be allowed to jeopardise their future because of a pregnancy. it should be a thing of joy, in the right setting, at the right time.

mimimile93:
Why are Nigerians against the legalisation of weed?

because the sideeffects outweigh the benefits

one thing i have noticed in this thread is that all my opponents are men, no woman has voiced an opinion yet, only women know how the shoe pinches.

funmisticqueen:
you saying that abortion is murder is the same thing as saying a spontaneous miscarriage is manslaughter because in both cases the fetus is lost, one because the host's body rejected the fetus, while the second had the fetus removed. In essence you are saying that all women who miscarry are murderers because the two terms are used interchangeably in medicine

see ehn, women should not be allowed to jeopardise their future because of a pregnancy. it should be a thing of joy, in the right setting, at the right time.

so you compare miscarriage to abortion? heartless feminist.
thats like comparing death in a car accident to murder how can a woman's body rejecting a baby equal to you cutting up a baby in the womb with scissors? you really are cold and emotionally dead.

funmisticqueen:
you saying that abortion is murder is the same thing as saying a spontaneous miscarriage is manslaughter because in both cases the fetus is lost, one because the host's body rejected the fetus, while the second had the fetus removed. In essence you are saying that all women who miscarry are murderers because the two terms are used interchangeably in medicine

see ehn, women should not be allowed to jeopardise their future because of a pregnancy . it should be a thing of joy, in the right setting, at the right time.

Contraception methods in the world:
1.condom
2.morning pill
3.the injection
4.withdrawal method
5.rhythm method etc
dont tell us about jeopardising you future when you having unprotected sex. you'll get AIDS and no arbotion can ever remove it
stop thinking and death is your friend.

Abortion is scientifically a medical procedure in which a mother terminates a fetus. To equate abortion to murder would be absolutely insane. So a man has a choice between killing a woman or a fetus, and you are saying both are equivalently evil and murder? The woman has a life, dreams, family, history, possibly a job. The fetus has nothing but what it is given.
It has the potential to become a great person. It also has the potential to become a terrorist. But for all intents and purposes, that's all it has: POTENTIAL. That is why I do not see it as murder.

funmisticqueen:
Abortion is scientifically a medical procedure in which a mother terminates a fetus. To equate abortion to murder would be absolutely insane. So a man has a choice between killing a woman or a fetus, and you are saying both are equivalently evil and murder? The woman has a life, dreams, family, history, possibly a job. The fetus has nothing but what it is given.
It has the potential to become a great person. It also has the potential to become a terrorist. But for all intents and purposes, that's all it has: POTENTIAL. That is why I do not see it as murder.

then use contraception if you dont want to get pregnant.



just like you use protection if you dont want to get an STI.

a certain somebody should stop mentioning me because i wont reply him until he apologises and takes back those curses he made at me.

that i have a difference in opinion shouldnt warrant you to curse me in cyberspace, not that it is effective anyway

funmisticqueen:
one thing i have noticed in this thread is that all my opponents are men, no woman has voiced an opinion yet, only women know how the shoe pinches.

pretending to be blind will not save you:

Hisduchess:


nice question

Colourich:
You can keep doing your abortions, but Nigeria ain't gonna legalize abortion.


I'm pro life.

funmisticqueen:
a certain somebody should stop mentioning me because i wont reply him until he apologises and takes back those curses he made at me.

that i have a difference in opinion shouldnt warrant you to curse me in cyberspace, not that it is effective anyway

your replies were never needed
im following your every comment and cleaning up sewage.

funmisticqueen:
because the sideeffects outweigh the benefits

the benefits of contraception outweigh the benefits of abortion.

funmisticqueen:
condom is cheap but many nigerian men are dumb enough not to use it especially catholics

there is the female condom.
and there is the injection and the morning--after pill. did men stop you from taking those as well?

funmisticqueen:
what aboit the mental and physical wellbeing of the pregnant mother, you just ignored that part

thats why you dont have sex until you are matured mentally.

funmisticqueen:
First of all let me define what the opposite of a safe abortion is. An unsafe abortion is the termination of a
pregnancy by people lacking the necessary skills, or in an environment lacking minimal medical standards, or both.

EVERY YEAR, millions of women lose their lives or sustain some form of disability due to unsafe abortion. In countries where abortion is legalised, the rates of deaths and disability from unsafe abortion is lower than countries like Nigeria where it against the law.

You say that life begins at conception, not birth, till today that argument has not been proven. it only depends on how good you are at debate.

In cases where a pregnancy is at a detriment to the health and well being of the mother and it happens more often than you know, should the pregnancy be allowed to continue? what of cases of rape and incest? should the woman alone bear responsibility?

My opinion on this is simple as long as they are in the right state of mind, women should be the one to make informed decisions concerning the fate of a pregnancy, yes she can have input from her partner if it is beneficial to her or both of them. Only you know how the shoe pinches you.

To those against the legalisation of SAFE abortions, let me hear your views like civilised adults. Insults will not be tolerated, body shaming will not be bothered with a reply.
let's begin.

sweetheart next time ignore that fool,,, he is known for extreme foolishness

Shugavee:
sweetheart next time ignore that fool,,, he is a known for extreme foolishness

she cant ignore the uncondomized dick. how can she ignore ubunja?

funmisticqueen:
First of all let me define what the opposite of a safe abortion is. An unsafe abortion is the termination of a
pregnancy by people lacking the necessary skills, or in an environment lacking minimal medical standards, or both.

EVERY YEAR, millions of women lose their lives or sustain some form of disability due to unsafe abortion. In countries where abortion is legalised, the rates of deaths and disability from unsafe abortion is lower than countries like Nigeria where it against the law.

You say that life begins at conception, not birth, till today that argument has not been proven. it only depends on how good you are at debate.

In cases where a pregnancy is at a detriment to the health and well being of the mother and it happens more often than you know, should the pregnancy be allowed to continue? what of cases of rape and incest? should the woman alone bear responsibility?

My opinion on this is simple as long as they are in the right state of mind, women should be the one to make informed decisions concerning the fate of a pregnancy, yes she can have input from her partner if it is beneficial to her or both of them. Only you know how the shoe pinches you.

To those against the legalisation of SAFE abortions, let me hear your views like civilised adults. Insults will not be tolerated, body shaming will not be bothered with a reply.
let's begin.

in my opinion I feel it’s because Nigerians r very religious ,,, they are hardly rational. God this God that... even when they know the child Might not survive or it might be emotionally draining ... cause I see no reason for a 12 years old to born a child.. but Nigerians will say God this n that,,,, and also they want Nigerians to be careful cause if it’s legalized trust me most people won’t use condom even with std and hiv on the loose...safe sex is the best

Shugavee:
in my opinion I feel it’s because Nigerians r very religions,,, they are hardly rational. God this God that... even when they know the child Might now survive or it might be emotionally draining ... cause I see no reason for a 12 years old to born a child.. but Nigerians will say God this n that,,,, and also they want Nigerians to be careful cause if it’s legalized trust me most people won’t use condom even with std and hiv on the loose...safe sex is the best

you took your time to look at both sides of the coin. that shows your brain works.

Controversial. People will always remain on different sides of the divide on this topic. So let's just make our points with civility, and not condescend to calling pro-choicers murderers and pro-lifers idiots.

Some governments are more concerned with "looking good" than with solving problems. They prefer to take a public position against abortion, so that they won't be seen to condone or encourage the act; even if that position does not, in fact, decrease the rate of abortion. It's not an active position that fights or punishes abortion, so people still do it with more associated risks, and they have only themselves to blame for the repercussions. It's an irresponsible position, in the sense that they're eschewing responsibility. The fact that girls die from complications does not bother them: the girls are to blame. A responsible government takes a holistic look at the situation and evaluates how effective a ban has been in achieving the goal. What is the goal by the way? Sanctimony, public health & safety, protection of life? .....how honest is that intent?

As long as people remain sexually active, chances are are that 15 out of 100 condom users will get knocked up each year and there would be unplanned pregnancies that cannot be catered to. The numbers are even worse in a sanctimonious society where many people don't subscribe to birth control. Why do you think parents force children to work or send their kids to become domestic slaves in other people's homes? Unplanned pregnancies can happen in or out of wedlock. Prospective parents may not be ready for parenthood for a myriad of reasons: finances, age, mental health conditions, apathy. All of these conditions, along with complications with the pregnancy itself, should affect the viability of the pregnancy. Forcing a child to come to life in a less than optimistic environment is not in his/her best interest. Children deserve better. If the government forces a child's existence in spite of the unpreparedness of the parents, then it should do well to provide welfare for children in order to prevent them from inevitably ending up on the streets; otherwise, it's just being hypocritical and irresponsible. Again.


Jeremiah 1:5, that's the verse religious folk like to quote to prove that life starts at conception:

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

What I see here, though, is forethought. We should take example from God and birth children to purpose. Don't be careless and abandon them to fate. Know them, prepare for them, and be ready for them. If you're having sex for fun and popping out every consequence as an unavoidable by-product; you aren't giving children the due consideration. The creation of Adam and Eve was always in the offing but God left it for the sixth day because the world had to be made conducive first. Forethought.

So when exactly does life start? At conception, after the first trimester or at birth? Technically, there was never "no life". The smallest unit of life, after all, is a living cell. The ovum and the sperm are living. And yet nature flushes the egg out every month if it doesn't get fertilized, and expels sperm cells in a wet dream. These aren't tragedies, not all living organisms must be preserved by law. Legal life and biological life should be distinguished. When does the zygote become a person?

Here's a debate. Fair warning: it's a story. A longer one.

https://www.nairaland.com/4275798/dinner-conversation

funmisticqueen:
you saying that abortion is murder is the same thing as saying a spontaneous miscarriage is manslaughter because in both cases the fetus is lost, one because the host's body rejected the fetus, while the second had the fetus removed. In essence you are saying that all women who miscarry are murderers because the two terms are used interchangeably in medicine

see ehn, women should not be allowed to jeopardise their future because of a pregnancy. it should be a thing of joy, in the right setting, at the right time.

now you are putting words in my mouth to justify your narative. for me it is as simple as this. a foetus should have a right to the potential or opportunity of life, and that this right should not be interfered with unless there is a compelling necessity to do so. i hope this throws more light on my position on this issue.

MissWrite:
Controversial. People will always remain on different divides on this topic. So let's just make our points with civility, and not condescend to calling pro-choicers murderers and pro-lifers idiots.

Some governments are more concerned with "looking good" than with solving problems. They prefer to take a public position against abortion, so that they won't be seen to condone or encourage the act; even if that position does not, in fact, decrease the rate of abortion. It's not an active position that fights or punishes abortion, so people still do it with more associated risks, and they have only themselves to blame for the repercussions. It's an irresponsible position, in the sense that they're eschewing responsibility. The fact that girls die from complications does not bother them: the girls are to blame. A responsible government takes a holistic look at the situation and evaluates how effective a ban has been in achieving the goal. What is the goal by the way? Sanctimony, public health & safety, protection of life? .....how honest is that intent?

As long as people remain sexually active, chances are are that 15 out of 100 condom users will get knocked up each year and there would be unplanned pregnancies that cannot be catered to. The numbers are even worse in a sanctimonious society where many people don't subscribe to birth control. Why do you think parents force children to work or send their kids to become domestic slaves in other people's homes? Unplanned pregnancies can happen in or out of wedlock. Prospective parents may not be ready for parenthood for a myriad of reasons: finances, age, mental health conditions, apathy. All of these conditions, along with complications with the pregnancy itself, should affect the viability of the pregnancy. Forcing a child to come to life in a less than optimistic environment is not in his/her best interest. Children deserve better. If the government forces a child's existence in spite of the unpreparedness of the parents, then it should do well to provide welfare for children in order to prevent them from inevitably ending up on the streets; otherwise, it's just being hypocritical and irresponsible. Again.


Jeremiah 1:5, that's the verse religious folk like to quote to prove that life starts at conception:

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

What I see here, though, is forethought. We should take example from God and birth children to purpose. Don't be careless and abandon them to fate. Know them, prepare for them, and be ready for them. If you're having sex for fun and popping out every consequence as an unavoidable by-product; you aren't giving children the due consideration. The creation of Adam and Eve was always in the offing but God left it for the sixth day because the world had to be made conducive first. Forethought.

So when exactly does life start? At conception, after the first trimester or at birth? Technically, there was never "no life". The smallest unit of life, after all, is a living cell. The ovum and the sperm are living. And yet nature flushes the egg out every month if it doesn't get fertilized, and expels sperm cells in a wet dream. These aren't tragedies, not all living organisms must be preserved by law. Legal life and biological life should be distinguished. When does the zygote become a person?

Here's a debate. Fair warning: it's a story. A longer one.

https://www.nairaland.com/4275798/dinner-conversation

how can you rip a foetus from its umbilical cord and see it moving in your hand as it expires and not call that murder? has eating eggs made us stone cold dead in the heart about unborn babies??

all that passage about pros and cons of abortion can be solved with diligent use of contraception. even simple ones like the morning after pill or the Injection that you get then stay months active. its not rocket science. women are just lazy.

legal life begins at any point that humans agree on. could be at implatation, at first trimester etc.

and abortion-lovers love to lobby governments to extend the time limit a pregnancy can be removed.i dont know why! its like the longer they bond with the unborn child the sweeter the abortion.
no wonder women who arbot are forever miserable. the blood of a human is sacred. that you carrying a human doesnt mean its yours to kill.


anyways studies have shown that the more people accept arbotion as part of life the less value they place on human life. and death becomes a simple thing to them

MISEDUCATIONS:

Contraception methods in the world:
1.condom
2.morning pill
3.the injection
4.withdrawal method
5.rhythm method etc
dont tell us about jeopardising you future when you having unprotected sex. you'll get AIDS and no arbotion can ever remove it
stop thinking and death is your friend.

undiluted truth

funmisticqueen:
because the sideeffects outweigh the benefits

same goes to abortion. The psychological and physical effect of abortion is huh

funmisticqueen:
condom is cheap but many nigerian men are dumb enough not to use it especially catholics

why can't d ladies close their legs if a man refuses to use cd?

mimimile93:
same goes to abortion. The psychological and physical effect of abortion is huh

that is only because it is illegal and is done by quacks, hence unsafe abortion, when it is done by certified medical personnel in a standard environment the side effects are reduced to almost zero