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Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 2:35pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Maamin: Are you a witness? I don't mean any harm. I just wanna know. Probably I'll know how to explain my views clearly to you |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 2:36pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=69692172] "Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?" How did I stylishly didn't answer your question? To answer your question God can be anywhere at anytime through the power of his holy spirit that fills up or inhabit the worlds even as deep as eternity. Didn't we just said the same thing in different ways or understanding? The bolded part bellow buttress my point. What is God, before and after God, became God the Father and/or Son of God? The Holy Spirit filled the vacuum left by Jesus. In other words there is Jesus and there is God who is a spirit or better known as the Holy spirit? |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 2:41pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
No the death on the cross doesn't make any sense to me either.. But John 3:16 gave me a clear reason why God died for me.. For God so loved the world. The reason he did this (permit me to use this. you know what I mean) senseless act is the he so loved me. I believe I would not be wrong to quote John 3:16 as; "For God so loved the world that He gave his own life, that whosoever believe in Him should not perish but have eternal life. " But then God is invisible so we wouldn't see him actually die on the cross. So He came in human flesh (as Jesus). Not as another different God or Being. But as the same Being. But he came in a form we can see (as the son). Hence the reason for Jesus' word "if you see me you have seen the Father. You cannot see the father. Only the Son You cannot see the father hence He dwelt fully in his Son. I know this may not make sense to you. I had problem believing it too. But I believe that when I pray to Jesus, sing to Jesus or worship Jesus I don't worship another being but I worship the creator of the heavens and the earth. So Jesus is my God. Jesus is my Yahweh. He is my saviour. My....... |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 2:46pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: Good, now does the word "God" in your comment above also means "the father"? If yes, may be we can replace it with "the father" and see what we arrive at. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 3:02pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Maamin: I think the reason you want to see a third throne is that you still think of the Trinity is 3 Persons. The Holy Spirit is not an additional person, but God. They are not 3 separate beings who require separate thrones or place of authority. They're all the same God 1 Like |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 5:23pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Maamin:"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?" That above is the question reproduced. For a question such like that, I was expecting a binary answer Maamin:And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on him the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD. - Isaiah 11:2 (1) Spirit of God, (2) Spirit that gives extraordinary wisdom, (3) Spirit that gives extraordinary insight & understanding that provides the ability to execute plans (4) Spirit that gives advice, (5) Spirit that gives power, (6) Spirit of knowledge, (7) Spirit that produces absolute loyalty to God. Thank you. Hmm, kayefi. Isnt it amazing that, its through of the power of His Holy Spirit, that God does all that He does (i.e. or its with the help, of the power of the Seven spirits of God that God achieves and fulfils each and all that's in His Mind) It is with the power of the Holy Spirit (i.e. the Seven spirits of God) that, God, took it on Himself to be a human being. So in cahoot with the power of the Holy Spirit (i.e. power of the Seven Spirits of God) became man in form, in the person of Jesus, the Son of God, God the Son. Maamin:I'll enjoy you sharing in details exactly what the point is you were buttressing Maamin:Jesus, is the incarnation of God, the incarnation of the God who is a Spirit, the incarnation of the God, better known for His Holy Spirit (i.e. the Seven spirits, the total or complete measure of the Spirit of God) Maamin:Abeggy chop knuckle jaare The Holy Spirit, just like God is invisible, is of intangible attributes Even human beings dont send greetings to and/or from attributes Though part of the Godhead, no one prays to the Holy Spirit. We pray for the move of the Holy Spirit, pray for the Holy Spirit to stir, we pray for the Holy Spirit to convict, we pray that the Holy Spirit teach or reveal things but no one prays to the Holy Spirit We pray to God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God Perfectbeing:What he's saying, is, God cant be boxed in, God is a free Spirit, who cant be limited to trinity or be restricted by trinity Maamin:Abeggy chop knuckle again jaare |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 6:08pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Perfectbeing OK let's do it like this the God that beget Jesus is God (the father) The one that is begotten is God (the son) The point here is that one is father and the other is son. They can't be equal 1b. I think the fact that John 3:16 talks about Jesus being the "ONLY" begotten son of God will answer this question. In such case reconcile it with the Holy spirit too, since it was not begotten at anytime. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 6:10pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: Why multiplication? Why not any other sign? Lol Let's just leave that out |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 6:20pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Maamin:"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?" I purposely asked the above, my earlier question Though it is the same Person, though the Father and Son are One but in the status of being Father and being Son, they arent equal In the status of being Son, the Son is subjected to the Father The Son is loyal to the will and plan of the Father The Son does not do what the Son never sees the Father do Maamin:The Holy Spirit is the prime mover in the Godhead Just like God, it is self existent |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 6:24pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: At what point did Jesus became the Son of God? |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 6:29pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: To be frank, I am not a JW. Many always think I am because of my believe. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 6:34pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: Maamin:It started when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary, at that point onwards, God began to form inside Mary's womb to be born as the Son of God Perfectbeing: Maamin:I am colour blind, I am denomination atheistic. I see everyone as a human being period. I dont ask who you are, what you are or whatnot |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 6:45pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Perfectbeing: Two thrones in revelations, why? |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 7:07pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Maamin: The only point I'm trying to make here is that there is "God" The invisible God is God. The Visible God is God. The Spirit of God is God. 1x1x1=1. And to your last statement. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. What is the Spirit of God and what is God. Aren't they the same thing. 1 Like |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 7:16pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: I'll like to use Isaiah 11:2 to ask a question. Isaiah 11:2 And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on him the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD. Are the Spirit of the Lord, The Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might and the Spirit of knowledge different from each other? |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 7:18pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Maamin:why not multiplication? Why any other sign? lol let's not leave that out. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 7:20pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Maamin:Did you read it? |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 7:21pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: I assume you're a believer |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 7:23pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Maamin: I actually don't know how else to construct my English o.. What tribe are you? So I can use Google Translator.. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 7:24pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=69698844] "Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?" Simultaneously in other words To be everywhere at anytime And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on him Ok Thank you. Hmm, kayefi. Ok It is with the power of the Holy Spirit (i.e. the Seven spirits of God) that, God, took it on Himself to be a human being. I'll enjoy you sharing in details exactly what the point is you were buttressing I said God can be anywhere at anytime through the power of his holy spirit that fills up or inhabit the worlds even as deep as eternity. And I you said but on the day of Pentecost we got delivery of the Holy Spirit (i.e. total or complete measure of the Spirit of God) And went even further to add "the holy spirit filled up the vacuum Jesus left " Jesus, is the incarnation of God, I kind of prefer the word emanation to use than incarnation my opinion though Seun needs to add knuckle emoji The Holy Spirit, just like God is invisible, is of intangible attributes Even human beings dont send greetings to and/or from attributes
Gbam! What he's saying, is, God cant be boxed in, Seun really need to add knuckle emoji |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 7:29pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
People don't find it hard to understand the omnipotence of God. But they find it hard to understand that he can be both the father and the son and the Holy Spirit. Not as three persons. But as one God. 1 Like |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 7:29pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=69700259]"Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, in Heaven and earth, at any moment of time?" Reason the father is all in all and greater than all. The Holy Spirit is the prime mover in the Godhead Yes! the power of the highest that quickens, that brought into accomplishment. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 7:43pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Perfectbeing:They are the essense of the Holy Spirit Holy, when used in conjunction with Spirit, means, complete, means the total, means wholly It's similar, in relation to believers attribute when talking about the fruit of the Holy Spirit, which are: love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. just as the attributes of the fruit of the Holy Spirit are different to each other, so the seven fold spirit of God differ from each other Is wisdom not different from understanding? Is knowledge not different from counsel? Is power not different from obedience or loyalty? And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship, - Exodus 31:3 He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all kinds of workmanship - Exodus 35:31 Usually the patriarchs got bursts or measures of the spirit of God to carry out God's work or agenda You often read in the bible that the spirit of God descended on so-so and so Well case in point, is Exodus 31:3 7 Exodus 35:31 reproduced above, about Bezalel That was then but on the day of Pentecost we got delivery of the Holy Spirit (i.e. total or complete measure of the Spirit of God) that Jesus promised will be despatched. |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 7:56pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Maamin:God is already everywhere at anytime "Is it impossible for God to simultaneously and concurrently be, God the Father in Heaven and be the Son of God on earth, at any moment of time?" |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 7:58pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Sorry to ask. Is the Spirit of God different from the Holy Spirit? |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 8:25pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Perfectbeing:Perfectbeing, God is a Spirit and so invisible The Spirit of God, just like God, is invisible too, and of intangible attributes Now the Spirit of God is not different from the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit, essentially, is the total or complete measure of what the Spirit of God is The "Holy", in Holy Spirit, signifies purposefully set aside It also signifies wholly, meaning the entirety, fullness, the full measure, combined effect, of the Spirit of God There is one Spirit of God, just as there is one fruit of the Holy Spirit however there are seven flavours to experience in this one Spirit of God and nine flavours to taste in this one fruit of the Holy Spirit Numbers seven and nine, symbolises perfection or completeness for both God and man respectively |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Perfectbeing(m): 8:46pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Hmm.. you seem well bred in the scriptures. More grace to you |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by Maamin(m): 9:09pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: No! |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by OneJ: 9:52pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: "From heaven (Yahweh, Jehovah) looks down and sees all mankind.; From his dwelling place he watches all who live on earth". Ps33:13,14. Ps11:4,5. God's word is truth. Shalom |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by johnw47: 11:37pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Peacefullove: and you go back to your nightmare, so called christian |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by johnw47: 11:43pm On Jul 25, 2018 |
Yahovah: Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. Jesus: Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: |
Re: The Trinity And Identity Of God by MuttleyLaff: 4:55am On Jul 26, 2018 |
MuttleyLaff: Maamin: MuttleyLaff: Maamin:Why No! 1/ OK, so, are you saying, No! because you think and/or believe that, it is something impossible for God to do that it is beyond God to do something like that? 2/ Maamin, if you need something done, if you need the thing done right or needed it be done, in a very certain or particular way, but there is no one, putting themselves forward to help, but there is no one, offerring themselves &/or their services to help have this something done If you've looked someone, looked for a man, among human beings, who would rebuild the hedge (i.e. the wall of righteousness that guards the land), If You've searched for someone, to stand in the gap or breach in the wall, before You, and on behalf of the land, so that it won't be destroyed, but You found no one There is no one to help, time is running out and it is increasingly and strongly becoming necessary for this something to be done, now Maamin, in the absence of anyone coming forward, in the absence of anyone assisting, in the absence of anyone being up to the task, if you're quite capable, able and especially, have the ability, means, know how, experience, skills to do this required & much needed something, Maamin, if you can be the man, the man to deliver, if you can be the person, to get the work done, would you not do it yourself, would you not go ahead and put yourself forward? Would it not be best for you, considering the circumstances & situation, to do it yourself? cc OneJ |
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