budaatum:

I have no obsession to convert anyone by getting them to believe me. If an almighty god can bother to present me with evidence that is sufficient for me to know, then it can bloody well provide those other atheists with evidence that would make them know too, if it is that bothered!

What you completely miss is that I witnessed the evidence and know what I saw. So why would I be telling atheists like me to 'believe' what I saw and hence know when they were not privileged to have seen what I saw and know? Would I all of a sudden have forgotten that atheists are not believers, or something, and that they like their evidence, and for all they care, I might have been tripping on a overdose of heroin? If I forget that all of a sudden, then they should rightly mock and ridicule me, I'd deserve it!

budaatum:

This works very well for me. I'm begging you to come to the shop with me when I go there to spend the imaginary one million pounds that is in my bank account with which I intend to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari I've always wanted. I'll introduce the negative, and you can tell the salesman that he can't prove the money does not exist! I'll let you ride in the spanking brand new red Ferrari on Fruitday, a day in the week that no one can prove does not exist, because "it cannot be known" that it does not exist since it is a negative. Simple!

darkchild64:


I swear I no get time for such freaks

gabe:
You'll have to define God before we proceed.

RuthlessLeader:

Okay.

But by definition, A god is more powerful than us mortals and should be able to do anything within his domain.

budaatum:

Oh, you miss their point completely!

Since you refute the existence of their god, you must provide evidence that their god does not exist because the burden is on you, but before you begin, you must define the properties that constitutes their god that doesn't exist for them!

That is the entire premise of op's thread that he claims is not understood!

budaatum:

I don't mind being mocked and ridiculed! You've done it a lot on this thread and it hardly affects me. I can very safely say my bit and dust them of myself as I depart from them if the mockery gets out of hand.

I have no obsession to convert anyone by getting them to believe me. If an almighty god can bother to present me with evidence that is sufficient for me to know, then it can bloody well provide those other atheists with evidence that would make them know too, if it is that bothered!

What you completely miss is that I witnessed the evidence and know what I saw. So why would I be telling atheists like me to 'believe' what I saw and hence know when they were not privileged to have seen what I saw and know? Would I all of a sudden have forgotten that atheists are not believers, or something, and that they like their evidence, and for all they care, I might have been tripping on a overdose of heroin? If I forget that all of a sudden, then they should rightly mock and ridicule me, I'd deserve it!

dalaman:
Some fools are still here speaking English and calling their God a liar when he says in the bible that believers will have signs that unbelievers will see and believe. If that is true then this deluded idiots will not need to talk much because we will be seeing the signs and believing as stated by their God but they themselves don't believe in the bible and their God and are just here to keep making empty noise.

winner01:
Who told you anyone wants to prove anything to you and why do you think that's the aim of this thread?

Why can't you think beyond the usual "Oh no, he's trying to convert me, I must fight back" narrative

dalaman:


Read through yours and the comments of your fellow Christians here . That's all what they've been doing.

darkchild64:


Fine if u say so,but I hope u understand exactly what you are saying and you stay true to it

ScienceWatch:
Yes sir it is utterly disgraceful. That is why I have never and never will disobey the warning in the Holy Bible which says, "Do not throw your pearls of wisdom to the atheist swine, they will mock it, then turn to destroy you."

I was a member of a church that had a fake pastor with no spiritual initiation leading Christ's church which is supposed to be a spiritual training center. He forced the innocent congregation to bring lots of swine to fill his church to stroke his sad ambitions and steal the money. God will not stand by and be mocked. I witnessed the shocking consequences in that fake pastors life.

If we love this incredible Jesus Christ but have not entered deep enough for spiritual initiation, never claim positions of Shepard/pastor of a church.Be happy to evangelize and point people to all true initiated pastors where they will see evidence that your words and the gospels are practical and 100% accurate.

For true Christians, the evidence for God is evidence of the Word and the Spirit of God working as one to produce the miracles as evidence that every word of Jesus is reliable and true always.

Don't throw your pearls to the swine.
Get behind me Satan said Jesus when a man tried to confuse the truth.

budaatum:

This works very well for me. I'm begging you to come to the shop with me when I go there to spend the imaginary one million pounds that is in my bank account with which I intend to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari I've always wanted. I'll introduce the negative, and you can tell the salesman that he can't prove the money does not exist! I'll let you ride in the spanking brand new red Ferrari on Fruitday, a day in the week that no one can prove does not exist, because "it cannot be known" that it does not exist since it is a negative. Simple!

winner01:
What's the title of this thread and where in my comments did I ask you to "believe in my God"?

Is this psychosis or what exactly?

ScienceWatch:
I venture to give an instant diagnoses based on your observations of Dalaman. Psychosis would be accurate sir. Depression and hallucinations should also be considered.

winner01:
What's the title of this thread and where in my comments did I ask you to "believe in my God"?

Is this psychosis or what exactly?

winner01:
What's the title of this thread and where in my comments did I ask you to "believe in my God"?

Is this psychosis or what exactly?

ScienceWatch:
Remember how my 13yr old cousin understood what Butterflyleo posted but atheists failed dismally at it ?
Well here Matt Slick is explaining the sad atheist dilemma;

"Atheists often ask for evidence to prove that God exists. They say they want tangible, testable evidence that can be verified via the scientific method. Unfortunately for them, such a request is the wrong approach. Instead, they should look for evidence consistent with a Transcendent God. Let me show you why.
First of all, the scientific method is a system of learning that consists of observation, hypothesis, experimentation, prediction, and theory. It is based on logic and observations of the material universe and its properties.

Second, the scientific method, along with a materialistic worldview, necessarily excludes transcendence - that which exists independent of the universe. Therefore, it can't detect what is outside of the material realm since it is based on observing things inside the material realm."
Vaxx has been pounding away at this too, but to no avail. The Atheists Training Manual is the most effective piece of literature used by atheists to confuse other atheists.

dalaman:


It's NOT that you are not interested in providing any evidence. The fact is that you can NOT and do NOT have any evidence to provide.

Since you haven't provided any evidence based on what atheist claim will convince them then why are you saying that no evidence will convince any atheist. You are only making this assertion because you know you can't provide any and failure to do that proves their point as such you make up this boogeyman and beat it so that you can sleep well at night.

davien:
How do you know, can detect or be aware of a transcendent reality?

winner01:
You'd have to assume he wants to do anything.

winner01:

These are reasonable people, not some dishonest Nigerian internet trolls.

winner01:


"I know people won't believe my story and that's okay. They'll get there when they get there." - Anna Beam (who claimed to have been to heaven and gotten her incurable illness healed by Jesus).
Like I said, it'll still be your personal experience and nothing more.

Your response is still the usual paranoia. Why do you think anyone is trying to convert you with this thread? Maybe you should just quit already since you're not gonna discuss in line with the thread.

dalaman:


You and your friends have been stating and even given examples to show that your God exist, but you'll still lie and state that you aren't.

Anyway you call your God a liar when you say that no amount of evidence will convince an atheist. Your God according to the bible says believers will have signs that will follow them so that unbelievers will see and believe, while you are saying that nothing will convince them there by stating that your God was telling lies when he made that statement.

budaatum:

Of course we are just unreasonable "dishonest Nigerian internet trolls". How else would we dare not allow those people you quoted to tell us how and what we think?! The thought that we have minds of our own and can use them is something you can't get your head around. After all, we are just unreasonable "dishonest Nigerian internet trolls"!

If you had understood my "crap", you would understand how difficult it is for either of us to accept the evidence either of us provide to prove our point to the other. Whatever you say to me about the existence of your god has been said in many threads over and over and I haven't budged. And whatever I provide as evidence of there being no god flies right over your head. You have taken it to new levels now though by asking us to define your god for you then to prove it doesn't exist! And all that, because those people have told you that is what you should do.

I tire for you. My atheism is not a belief. It's what I know from many years of research into gods. I however do not expect you to understand any of it, after all you have not seen the evidence I have seen. But it cuts both ways. I haven't seen any evidence for your god either, apart from the anecdotal tales you present. But if you had any idea of atheism, you'd understand anecdotes don't cut the mustard. Only religious people like you would call anecdotes, evidence. It's why your belief is based on faith, and in the unseen, for that matter! Basically, you hope its true, and you close your eyes to anything that might possibly make you doubt your beliefs. Though, I am beginning to wonder if all the atheist threads you start aren't about you arguing with your so called faith!

budaatum:

You don't get to put words into people's mouths. We say what we want. You can very well ignore us you know! Or don't you have the god power that allows you to do so?

Emmanuel Swedenborg went on a whole tour of Heaven and Hell. I doubt he cared who believed him.

In Swedenborg's final hours, his friend, Pastor Ferelius, told him some people thought he had written his theology just to make a name for himself and asked Swedenborg if he would like to recant. Raising himself up on his bed, his hand on his heart, Swedenborg earnestly replied,
"As truly as you see me before your eyes, so true is everything that I have written; and I could have said more had it been permitted. When you enter eternity you will see everything, and then you and I shall have much to talk about".

He then died, in the afternoon, on the date he had predicted, March 29.

Perhaps you should read his report of his tour. Its a very interesting read.

davien:
How do you know, can detect or be aware of a transcendent reality?

winner01:
What will be your answer to johndons question: "What will serve as evidence for Gods existence to you"?

ScienceWatch:
Good question. You could be the first to ask a sensible question.

davien:
I don't seem to be in a better position to answer since I don't claim to know of such, do you know of any transcendent reality?