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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Nobody: 5:43am On Jul 25, 2018
Anas09:

Why a KVJ Bible? The Good News or any other version says the same thing.
most other versions subtlely changes,alters or removed Some verses
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by doyinbaby(f): 7:43am On Jul 25, 2018
frbona:
what does Luke27:28 say in your bible cause I can't find it in mine
Having said that, the catholic that I am, much as I hate to admit it, believes you right and straight on point. We catholics, just like every other religion that existed at that time needed a goddess figure to cajole and convince the pagans into conversion, hence they began to venerate Mary as the mother of God and gave her the "ever virgin" status. This doctrine doesn't sit well with the rest of Christianity. I've been an altar server for years but every time I knelt or bowed to a statue or crucifix during mass something in me kept telling me this wasn't right and goes against Exodus 20:2 and Deuteronomy 5:6. There's no use arguing with anybody all in the hopes of convincing yourself that you are "honouring" and not worshiping a graven image made of human hands when God had pointed out explicitly how jealous he is when it comes to issues like this (Exodus 20v4&5) (deutronomy 5verses8&9). Its totally wrong and contradicts the scriptures. I remain a catholic only because most churches out there have their own share of polluted doctrines and beliefs. A world going to hell in a handbag. We living by Gods grace and its he alone who sees every man's heart, judges his true intentions and rewards his deeds(Galatians 6v7)
good you believe the truth......
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:28am On Jul 25, 2018
Gggg102:



is Jesus not addressed as the son of David?
is Jesus not addressed as David's descendant?

yet David calls him Lord, because although he is David's son in the physical realm, he is superior to David in truth and in the spiritual realm.

same with Mary.

except you don't agree that Jesus is God.

I think we are on the same page.

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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Anas09: 11:31am On Jul 25, 2018
solite3:
most other versions subtlely changes,alters or removed Some verses
I see. But Good News is authentic.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 5:01pm On Jul 26, 2018
frbona:
what does Luke27:28 say in your bible cause I can't find it in mine
Having said that, the catholic that I am, much as I hate to admit it, believes you right and straight on point. We catholics, just like every other religion that existed at that time needed a goddess figure to cajole and convince the pagans into conversion, hence they began to venerate Mary as the mother of God and gave her the "ever virgin" status. This doctrine doesn't sit well with the rest of Christianity. I've been an altar server for years but every time I knelt or bowed to a statue or crucifix during mass something in me kept telling me this wasn't right and goes against Exodus 20:2 and Deuteronomy 5:6. There's no use arguing with anybody all in the hopes of convincing yourself that you are "honouring" and not worshiping a graven image made of human hands when God had pointed out explicitly how jealous he is when it comes to issues like this (Exodus 20v4&5) (deutronomy 5verses8&9). Its totally wrong and contradicts the scriptures. I remain a catholic only because most churches out there have their own share of polluted doctrines and beliefs. A world going to hell in a handbag. We living by Gods grace and its he alone who sees every man's heart, judges his true intentions and rewards his deeds(Galatians 6v7)


I totally agree with you. most Catholics refuse to see the truth they fellow their bishops like sheep without verifying for themselves.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 5:08pm On Jul 26, 2018
Gggg102:



so what you are saying is that Jesus isn't God?

Jesus by virtue of been the son of God is also God because humans give birth to humans so God's son will also be God in all attributes.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 5:16pm On Jul 26, 2018
luvmijeje:
If being a son of God is not blasphemy then being a mother of God shouldn't be. Please let's respect people's views about God.

False logic. God is an uncreated spirit being same with Jesus but Mary is nothing more than sand and dust she is a created being with imperfections.

I guess you have not read of Mr Jones the occultic church leader who lead over 600 people to commit suicide in Guyana.thats what happens when people fail to ask the Church leaders questions and verify what they are told through God's word the Bible.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 5:20pm On Jul 26, 2018
Gggg102:



if Jesus is God and Mary gave birth to Jesus, then Mary gave birth to God. simple as ABC.

that Mary gave birth to Jesus does not in any way make Mary greater than Jesus. it does not mean Jesus had a beginning as he always existed even before the formation of Mary.

Mary giving birth to Jesus is just like her being a door for Jesus. Jesus did not have a beginning, yet he passed through Mary, he was given birth to by Mary. he decided to be born of a woman. God decided to make himself flesh and dwell among us. to make himself flesh, God decided to be born of a woman. Mary a created being was chosen by God a spirit to give birth to him when he manifested himself as a man. Mary is the mother of God in the physical realm, in the spiritual realm God has no parent. that God decided to come into the world through Mary does not make God inferior nor Mary superior.


Pure word play. None of the apostles ever called Mary mother of God, and we are expected to fellow there steps.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 5:21pm On Jul 26, 2018
Gggg102:



is Jesus not addressed as the son of David?
is Jesus not addressed as David's descendant?

yet David calls him Lord, because although he is David's son in the physical realm, he is superior to David in truth and in the spiritual realm.

same with Mary.

except you don't agree that Jesus is God.


OK than show us where David was called father of God.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 5:23pm On Jul 26, 2018
luvmijeje:

Are you the spokesperson for God? Is God complaining?
Yes God is not happy with such blasphemy.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 5:24pm On Jul 26, 2018
HappyPagan:
Simple algebra.

Let Mary = x
Holy Spirit = y
Jesus = z

Where God is the constant α.

Solution
Based on the universal axiom which states
1 = God = Jesus = Holy Spirt

If x + y = z, and x is the mother of z,
and z = α

x + y = α
Thus, it is proven that x is the mother of α.



It is obvious you failed maths in school.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 5:27pm On Jul 26, 2018
luvmijeje:


Enough! What is the church made of? Is it not made up of stones? Is that not graven image. Most of you worship church than God. If you do that, you have no right to call someone else out.

The Church is not made of stones the stone is symbolic
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Ihateyoumod: 6:46pm On Jul 26, 2018
blueAgent:


Jesus by virtue of been the son of God is also God because humans give birth to humans so God's son will also be God in all attributes.

So if Jesus is God and Mary is his mother why r u still arguing??......doesn't tht make Mary mother of God

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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Ihateyoumod: 6:49pm On Jul 26, 2018
blueAgent:


False logic. God is an uncreated spirit being same with Jesus but Mary is nothing more than sand and dust she is a created being with imperfections.

I guess you have not read of Mr Jones the occultic church leader who lead over 600 people to commit suicide in Guyana.thats what happens when people fail to ask the Church leaders questions and verify what they are told through God's word the Bible.

God is an uncreated being, who humbled himself to take flesh and allowed himself to be born of a woman and have a mother. If u r angry bout tht go n beat God

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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by HappyPagan: 8:41pm On Jul 26, 2018
blueAgent:



It is obvious you failed maths in school.
Lmfao.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Nobody: 9:15pm On Jul 26, 2018
Anas09:
I see. But Good News is authentic.
No it is. not
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Gggg102(m): 6:37am On Jul 27, 2018
blueAgent:


Jesus by virtue of been the son of God is also God because humans give birth to humans so God's son will also be God in all attributes.

and who gave birth to Jesus when he came to earth?

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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Gggg102(m): 6:41am On Jul 27, 2018
blueAgent:



Pure word play. None of the apostles ever called Mary mother of God, and we are expected to fellow there steps.

it's not word play, it's simple logic.

Jesus is God.

Mary gave birth to Jesus.

Mary therefore gave birth to God.

you are just denying what is in your front.

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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Gggg102(m): 6:43am On Jul 27, 2018
blueAgent:



OK than show us where David was called father of God.

it does not need to be shown. it is simple sense.

Jesus is called the son of David.

therefore David is father of Jesus.

Jesus is God.

then David is the father of God.

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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Gggg102(m): 6:50am On Jul 27, 2018
blueAgent:


False logic. God is an uncreated spirit being same with Jesus but Mary is nothing more than sand and dust she is a created being with imperfections.

I guess you have not read of Mr Jones the occultic church leader who lead over 600 people to commit suicide in Guyana.thats what happens when people fail to ask the Church leaders questions and verify what they are told through God's word the Bible.

and God choose that sand and dust to give birth to him so that he also would become sand and dust to save the world.

If he didn't, how would God have been made man?

God was called man when he was on earth, and to be a man you have to be born of a woman.

that Mary gave birth to God does not make her superior. she is just a door through which God came into the world. being the mother of God did not make her superior to God.

yes God is uncreated and has existed all eternity but, when he choose to become man, he choose a woman to birth him.

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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 5:27pm On Jul 27, 2018
Gggg102:


and God choose that sand and dust to give birth to him so that he also would become sand and dust to save the world.

If he didn't, how would God have been made man?

God was called man when he was on earth, and to be a man you have to be born of a woman.

that Mary gave birth to God does not make her superior. she is just a door through which God came into the world. being the mother of God did not make her superior to God.

yes God is uncreated and has existed all eternity but, when he choose to become man, he choose a woman to birth him.


Show where in the bible that Marry was called mother of God?.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by MuttleyLaff: 8:50pm On Jul 27, 2018
tartar9:
Is Jesus God in flesh?

If yes,then they are correct in saying Mary is the mother of God-its simple logic. The fault is with xtianity.
Gbam.

blueAgent:
Jesus is God's Son not God himself.
Mary gave birth to only Jesus not God or even pre+incarnate Jesus.
With the exception of God,
no other spirit(s), whether good or evil ones (e.g. demons, satan angels, other celestial being) can, has or had become flesh (i.e. incarnation)
tartar9 is absolutely right that Mary gave birth to God and a human being
This is a first and last one of a kind thing

bloodofthelamb:
Why are you not refering David as the Father of God just as the Op pointed out?
35While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, He asked, “How can the scribes say that the Christ is the son of David?
36Speaking by the Holy Spirit, David himself declared:
‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand until I put Your enemies under Your feet.”’
37David himself calls Him Lord.
So how can He be David’s son?”
And the large crowd listened to Him with delight.
- Mark 12:35-37

David cant be referred to as the Father of God because of the cogent reason illustratively made clear by Jesus in Mark 12:35-37 above

bloodofthelamb:
Since, Jesus is also the Seed of David.
Jesus is said to be the Seed of David because courtesy of Mary's bloodline, He has a line of descent traced to David.

luvmijeje:
If being a son of God is not blasphemy then being a mother of God shouldn't be.
Please let's respect people's views about God.
Technically, and in a biological manner, she is the mother of God

Gggg102:
is Jesus not addressed as the son of David?
is Jesus not addressed as David's descendant?

yet David calls him Lord, because although he is David's son in the physical realm, he is superior to David in truth and in the spiritual realm.

same with Mary.

except you don't agree that Jesus is God.

bloodofthelamb:
I think we are on the same page.
That is obvious, we all are on the same page

About Jesus being addressed as Son of David, or Jesus calling Himself Son of Man, these are just titles.
The former, is describing Him as descended from a David seed via Mary
and the latter, attesting His incarnation, as being a male version, human being product.

I liked frbona's post. What a frank admission and honest comment it is.
Out of curiosity, what does the "fr" in "frbona" signify please frbona?

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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:14pm On Jul 27, 2018
MuttleyLaff, you and I know that calling mary the mother of God is not the issue here. They have turned Mary into a way to God. Mary now mediate for many souls.

This absurd doctrine the early church never practised it. Mary was silent as "k" in the word "knife" in the early days of the church. Do you know that Christ is also Lord to Mary?

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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by MuttleyLaff: 9:19pm On Jul 27, 2018
bloodofthelamb:
MuttleyLaff,
you and I know that calling mary the mother of God is not the issue here.
They have turned Mary into a way to God. Mary now mediate for many souls.

This absurd doctrine the early church never practised it.
Mary was silent as "k" in the word "knife" in the early days of the church
That's why I said I liked frbona's post with his frank and honest admission

bloodofthelamb:
Do you know that Christ is also Lord to Mary?
Why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should visit me?
- Luke 1:43

Yes, it is expected bloodofthelamb, that Christ is also Lord to Mary
Elizabeth in Luke 1:43 confirms this

Lord, is from the same root word we get the word Landlord from.

Same way, landlord is the owner of the land or house, so is, Christ, the Owner to and of Mary
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:29pm On Jul 27, 2018
blueAgent:



Show where in the bible that Marry was called mother of God?.

Bro Catholic faithfuls say they honour Mary, not worship. Then again I ask did all the early apostles( Peter, John, Paul, Jude) forgot to honour and venerate her in all their epistle to the Church.

The Holy Spirit who inspired this holy men to write this letters also forgot to include the mother of God( according to Catholics) as the number two mediator.

Was it a mistake? I know is not.

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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:40pm On Jul 27, 2018
bloodofthelamb:


Bro Catholic faithfuls say they honour Mary, not worship. Then again I ask, did all the early apostles( Peter, John, Paul, Jude) forgot to honour and venerate her in all their epistle to the Church?

The Holy Spirit who inspired this holy men to write this letters also forgot to include the mother of God( according to Catholics) as the number two mediator.

Was it a mistake? I know is not.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by Yusuf54: 10:46pm On Jul 27, 2018
Gggg102:



if Jesus is God and Mary gave birth to Jesus, then Mary gave birth to God. simple as ABC.

that Mary gave birth to Jesus does not in any way make Mary greater than Jesus. it does not mean Jesus had a beginning as he always existed even before the formation of Mary.

Mary giving birth to Jesus is just like her being a door for Jesus. Jesus did not have a beginning, yet he passed through Mary, he was given birth to by Mary. he decided to be born of a woman. God decided to make himself flesh and dwell among us. to make himself flesh, God decided to be born of a woman. Mary a created being was chosen by God a spirit to give birth to him when he manifested himself as a man. Mary is the mother of God in the physical realm, in the spiritual realm God has no parent. that God decided to come into the world through Mary does not make God inferior nor Mary superior.
U Mean Jesus Christ is God and He only,Jesus is to be worshipped right?
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by UnchangeableGod: 11:20pm On Jul 27, 2018
luvmijeje:


Enough! What is the church made of? Is it not made up of stones? Is that not graven image. Most of you worship church than God. If you do that, you have no right to call someone else out.
Let me come in here ma. The Church is not the building as most people have been assuming over the years. The Church is made up of truly born again children of God in various Christian Assemblies or denominations all over the world (Acts 20:28). The building where Christians gather to worship is called church auditorium, sanctuary, temple, fellowship centre, worship centre etc depending on the denomination concerned. As for those who worship church more than God, according to you, such are idol worshippers. Do not do like them and do not continue bowing down to images either. God bless you.

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Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 1:06am On Jul 28, 2018
bloodofthelamb:


Bro Catholic faithfuls say they honour Mary, not worship. Then again I ask did all the early apostles( Peter, John, Paul, Jude) forgot to honour and venerate her in all their epistle to the Church.

The Holy Spirit who inspired this holy men to write this letters also forgot to include the mother of God( according to Catholics) as the number two mediator.

Was it a mistake? I know is not.



Good points.
It is obvious it was not a mistake becos Paul warned Christains about recieving fake gospel even from angels any doctrine contrary to God's word is false.

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 1:11am On Jul 28, 2018
Gggg102:


and God choose that sand and dust to give birth to him so that he also would become sand and dust to save the world.

If he didn't, how would God have been made man?

God was called man when he was on earth, and to be a man you have to be born of a woman.

that Mary gave birth to God does not make her superior. she is just a door through which God came into the world. being the mother of God did not make her superior to God.

yes God is uncreated and has existed all eternity but, when he choose to become man, he choose a woman to birth him.


Show me where in the Bible that Mary was called mother of God or she was prayed to and worshiped by the apostles.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 1:18am On Jul 28, 2018
Gggg102:


it does not need to be shown. it is simple sense.

Jesus is called the son of David.

therefore David is father of Jesus.

Jesus is God.

then David is the father of God.


So since the Bible likened Jesus to the snake in the wildernesss we can therefore call Jesus a Snake? based on your logic. Numbers 21:9

John 3:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the
wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up.
Re: Mary Is Not The Mother Of God by blueAgent(m): 1:20am On Jul 28, 2018
Gggg102:

it's not word play, it's simple logic.
Jesus is God.
Mary gave birth to Jesus.
Mary therefore gave birth to God.
you are just denying what is in your front.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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