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Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by OLAADEGBU(m): 3:25am On Jul 31, 2018
Evangelicals Warn Mary Has 'Taken Jesus' Place on the Cross' as Millions Seek Miracles in France
By Stoyan Zaimov , Christian Post Reporter | Jul 25, 2018 11:35 AM
(PHOTO: WIKIMEDIA COMMONS/EMMANUEL BRUNNER)

The Virgin Mary shrine in Lourdes, France, in this photo uploaded on May 1, 2007,
As millions of people travel to Lourdes, France, every year in search of divine healing, some evangelical missionaries are warning that at the holy site venerated by Catholics, many are revering the Virgin Mary more than Jesus Christ.

"For followers of Jesus Christ, the atmosphere in Lourdes is dark and discouraging. Christians know that it is 'the Lord who heals you' (Exodus 15:26). The determination and expectation of 6 million pilgrims a year feels overwhelming," Pioneers, a missions agency that is based in Florida but has offices worldwide, said last week.

One Pioneers member in Lourdes said: "In my town Mary takes Jesus' place on the cross. People come from far and wide to bring honor to her, to ask her for healing, to pray to her. This is all the locals of this rural town in the mountains know: not Jesus, just millions of Catholic pilgrims from the whole world with their Mary statues, rosaries, and holy water. What should church look like for people who have been completely desensitized to the Gospel?"

As the article explains, every year over 6 million people — Catholics and people of other faiths — visit Lourdes where they believe Mary appeared in 1858 on several occasions. The Vatican has declared the location a holy site for worshipers, with many believing that a cave with a natural spring, where Mary is said to have appeared, has healing properties.

It noted that each year, 350,000 people bathe in the spring, while over 7,000 have asked the Vatican to confirm their healings as a miracle. The Catholic Church has authenticated 69 such miraculous healings in Lourdes.

"Masses of hopeful people come from all walks of life to visit the grotto. Buddhists and Hindus, Catholics and superstitious are there. The wealthy and poor are there. Young and old. Black and white. Western and eastern," Pioneers adds.

"They all walk together — unified in their hope and expectation of healing. They fly, drive, and walk far for their chance to be miraculously restored," the missionary group ads.

The missionaries said that they're looking to renovate a cafe in the center of Lourdes as a way to offer visitors who come for Mary an encounter with Jesus instead. They say that they are hoping that "those who seek the healing of a physical infirmity, would instead receive restoration for their souls."

The veneration of Mary continues to be one of the major points of disagreement between evangelicals and Catholics.

As the Our Lady of Lourdes website explains, the site in France is significant because it's a place "where Catholics can deepen their faith."

"Our Lady of Lourdes is a place where Catholic's can put their faith into their actions and journey across the pilgrim in order to deepen their faith," it states.

"Mary is not only the chosen mother of Jesus, but she was Mary Immaculate who was born without sin. Mary is the main reason why Lourdes is so significant because it is the site where she appeared to put herself forward to heal people and set miracles."

Back in May 2017, hundreds of evangelicals set out to preach the Bible to a mass gathering of Catholics in Fátima, Portugal, where Mary is also said to have visited and spoken to shepherd children 100 years ago.

António Calaim, pastor and president of the Portuguese Evangelical Alliance, explained at the time that evangelicals "do not agree with the idolatry of Mary, the worship of the saints and images, and the leadership of the Church in the whole world under one man."

Calaim insisted that evangelicals are not looking to confront Catholics, however, but "to give a hug and share the Word of God" with the people at the Fátima gathering.

https://endtimeheadlines.org/2018/07/evangelicals-warn-mary-has-taken-jesus-place-on-the-cross-as-millions-seek-miracles-in-france/

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by Nobody: 3:57am On Jul 31, 2018
very true, the Roman Catholic Church is not serving the true God
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by orisa37: 5:12am On Jul 31, 2018
That's their Level of Understanding they seek to market. Let's hear you.
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by chiommy123(f): 6:22am On Jul 31, 2018
how can someone turn the Bible upside down and read and still understand that's impossible. continue honouring/worshipping your mary
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by doyinbaby(f): 6:50am On Jul 31, 2018
The catholic church has used false doctrine to blind the eyes of many
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by eventtinz(m): 12:53pm On Jul 31, 2018
you all worship one graven image/symbol/pictures of actor or another...

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by MosesAlex: 5:54pm On Jul 31, 2018
It is quite interesting that in the picture shared there is a picture of the crucifix.

Why not find out what the Church teaches about the communion of saints. If one of your revered pastor comes around, many would turn up to see him/her hoping for some miracle. But when it comes to the mother of Jesus, you forget that the prayer of a righteous man availeth much( James 5:16)
Holy Mary, Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen

Now about the dead rising--have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"(Mark 12:26-27)

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by bloodofthelamb(m): 7:25pm On Jul 31, 2018
It is well with the souls in Catholic(Marian) Church being led astray.
They pray to Mary but use Jesus to save face.
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by donnie(m): 7:40pm On Jul 31, 2018
MosesAlex:
It is quite interesting that in the picture shared there is a picture of the crucifix.

Why not find out what the Church teaches about the communion of saints. If one of your revered pastor comes around, many would turn up to see him/her hoping for some miracle. But when it comes to the mother of Jesus, you forget that the prayer of a righteous man availeth much( James 5:16)
Holy Mary, Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen

Now about the dead rising--have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"(Mark 12:26-27)


What's this one saying? Did the crowds not turn up to listen to the apostles, Peter, Paul etc.

Should we now build their statues and worship them as you do Mary?

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by Ubenedictus(m): 6:01pm On Aug 01, 2018
bloodofthelamb:
It is well with the souls in Catholic(Marian) Church being led astray.

They pray to Mary but use Jesus to save face.
nope, Catholics always pray to God through Jesus Christ our mediator we just enjoy doing it in company of other Christians.

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by Ubenedictus(m): 6:12pm On Aug 01, 2018
MosesAlex:
It is quite interesting that in the picture shared there is a picture of the crucifix.

Why not find out what the Church teaches about the communion of saints. If one of your revered pastor comes around, many would turn up to see him/her hoping for some miracle. But when it comes to the mother of Jesus, you forget that the prayer of a righteous man availeth much( James 5:16)
Holy Mary, Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen

Now about the dead rising--have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"(Mark 12:26-27)
I thought I will see a cross with Mary I should have known it is normal protestant propaganda.

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by sonmvayina(m): 6:31pm On Aug 01, 2018
Christianity has its origins in the cult of Inanna the Goddess of death, destruction, fertility.. Etc, she is the queen of heaven mention in the book of Jeremiah..
Men, kneed the dough, children fetch the woods and the women bake the bread to the queen of heaven.. It was that cult that metamorphosed into Christianity... The new testament are all forged documents..
She was given a new name in Christianity and to insult the almighty God (marduk) they said she has a son for him(jesus)
She is lucifer or the light bearer... Her end is coming soon..
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by bloodofthelamb(m): 8:11pm On Aug 01, 2018
Ubenedictus:
I thought I will see a cross with Mary I should have known it is normal protestant propaganda.

There is nothing like propaganda here. Show me were the early church and its leaders in there letters encouraged such doctrine the Catholic church are practising today.

This holy men never mentioned Mary in all their epistle they wrote to the saints of God which, Mary was also part of.

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by Nobody: 9:22pm On Aug 01, 2018
bloodofthelamb:


There is nothing like propaganda here. Show me were the early church and its leaders in there letters encouraged such doctrine the Catholic church are practising today.

This holy men never mentioned Mary in all their epistle they wrote to the saints of God which, Mary was also part of.
Roman catholic church believes she is higher than the bible
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by Nobody: 9:24pm On Aug 01, 2018
Ubenedictus:
nope, Catholics always pray to God through Jesus Christ our mediator we just enjoy doing it in company of other Christians.
if you have Jesus as your mediator in heaven why do you need another mediatrix?

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by bloodofthelamb(m): 9:30pm On Aug 01, 2018
solite3:
Roman catholic church believes she is higher than the bible

It is grieving!
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by Nobody: 2:30am On Aug 02, 2018
[quote author=solite3 post=69903475] if you have Jesus as your mediator in heaven why do you need another mediatrix?

Maybe Jesus alone is not enough for them.
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by MosesAlex: 4:04pm On Aug 02, 2018
[quote author=Stanchem post=69907970]
Maybe Jesus should have had no need of the apostles as well.
May be Jesus is not enough?
May Stephen did not have to stoned to death?
May be intercession have no place in your Christianity?
May human participation in God's plan have no place in your Christianity?

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by MosesAlex: 4:08pm On Aug 02, 2018
solite3:
if you have Jesus as your mediator in heaven why do you need another mediatrix?

May be human participation in God's plan has no place in your Christianity?
May be Jesus should have had no need of the apostles as well?
May be intercession have no place in your Christianity?

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by MosesAlex: 4:10pm On Aug 02, 2018
sonmvayina:
Christianity has its origins in the cult of Inanna the Goddess of death, destruction, fertility.. Etc, she is the queen of heaven mention in the book of Jeremiah..
Men, kneed the dough, children fetch the woods and the women bake the bread to the queen of heaven.. It was that cult that metamorphosed into Christianity... The new testament are all forged documents..
She was given a new name in Christianity and to insult the almighty God (marduk) they said she has a son for him(jesus)
She is lucifer or the light bearer... Her end is coming soon..

Nonsense! Go and find out what Satanist think of her.

She is the woman of Gen 3:15 and Rev 12. She is their arch enemy.
The devil deceived Eve at the garden of Eden but could not deceive the new Eve "Mary". It was prophesied of her that she would crush the head of the serpent.Gen 3:15.
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by MosesAlex: 4:13pm On Aug 02, 2018
bloodofthelamb:


It is grieving!

Your problem is ignorance. Even Martin Luther had no problem with devotion to Mary!
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by MosesAlex: 4:23pm On Aug 02, 2018
donnie:



What's this one saying? Did the crowds not turn up to listen to the apostles, Peter, Paul etc.

Should we now build their statues and worship them as you do Mary?


Statues are a means of communication. Today we capture images of people by video, pictures and the like. You can as well refuse to snap pictures or refuse to use camera phones because have images of people or to watch TV or even look at your image in the mirror.

If impure images (like porn ) could lead people to sin. Does it not occur to you that there would be images that would lift our hearts to holy things, noble things? Colossians 3:2 Set your minds on things above.

We have images of saints and the apostles also. Just as we have Christian movies that are meant to edify us. Besides God even allowed the shadow (image) of Peter to work miracles (Acts 5:15-16 )

People can get converted by watching a Christian movie or dynamic images if you wish. The statues as simply tools. Just as God can use movies he can use pictures and images. Or rather this pictures can evoke pious thoughts. They are simply images we don't worship them.

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:29pm On Aug 02, 2018
eventtinz:


you all worship one graven image/symbol/pictures of actor or another...

And you worship yourself, no? undecided
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by bloodofthelamb(m): 7:08pm On Aug 02, 2018
MosesAlex:


Your problem is ignorance. Even Martin Luther had no problem with devotion to Mary!

Is Martin Luther God? If you can show me where the apostles made devotion to Mary in there letters, then I might render devotion to her.

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by doyinbaby(f): 7:15pm On Aug 02, 2018
MosesAlex:


Statues are a means of communication. Today we capture images of people by video, pictures and the like. You can as well refuse to snap pictures or refuse to use camera phones because have images of people or to watch TV or even look at your image in the mirror.

If impure images (like porn ) could lead people to sin. Does it not occur to you that there would be images that would lift our hearts to holy things, noble things? Colossians 3:2 Set your minds on things above.

We have images of saints and the apostles also. Just as we have Christian movies that are meant to edify us. Besides God even allowed the shadow (image) of Peter to work miracles (Acts 5:15-16 )

People can get converted by watching a Christian movie or dynamic images if you wish. The statues as simply tools. Just as God can use movies he can use pictures and images. Or rather this pictures can evoke pious thoughts. They are simply images we don't worship them.
is this your justification for bowing to image of Mary
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by donnie(m): 10:36pm On Aug 02, 2018
MosesAlex:


Statues are a means of communication. Today we capture images of people by video, pictures and the like. You can as well refuse to snap pictures or refuse to use camera phones because have images of people or to watch TV or even look at your image in the mirror.

If impure images (like porn ) could lead people to sin. Does it not occur to you that there would be images that would lift our hearts to holy things, noble things? Colossians 3:2 Set your minds on things above.

We have images of saints and the apostles also. Just as we have Christian movies that are meant to edify us. Besides God even allowed the shadow (image) of Peter to work miracles (Acts 5:15-16 )

People can get converted by watching a Christian movie or dynamic images if you wish. The statues as simply tools. Just as God can use movies he can use pictures and images. Or rather this pictures can evoke pious thoughts. They are simply images we don't worship them.

All this epistle is just so you can worship the woman you folks have tried to elevate to the status of God almighty... or even higher.

You don't worship them, you only bow down to them, and kneel before them, and kiss their feet, and offer prayers to them. Okay, continu undecided

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by donnie(m): 10:37pm On Aug 02, 2018
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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by Nobody: 11:45pm On Aug 02, 2018
Ubenedictus:
nope, Catholics always pray to God through Jesus Christ our mediator we just enjoy doing it in company of other Christians.
they do pray to God through Mary .holy Mary ,Mother of God,Pray for us
sinners now,And at the hour of death. Amen
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by sonmvayina(m): 8:29am On Aug 03, 2018
MosesAlex:


Nonsense! Go and find out what Satanist think of her.

She is the woman of Gen 3:15 and Rev 12. She is their arch enemy.
The devil deceived Eve at the garden of Eden but could not deceive the new Eve "Mary". It was prophesied of her that she would crush the head of the serpent.Gen 3:15.

Grow sense, the Bible is not a history textbook oh.. It is a spiritual manual.. For spiritual instructions...

The genesis story is about life and death..
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by Nobody: 11:09am On Aug 03, 2018
MosesAlex:


May be human participation in God's plan has no place in your Christianity?
May be Jesus should have had no need of the apostles as well?
May be intercession have no place in your Christianity?



intercession in heaven is for only Christ Jesus.

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

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Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by sonmvayina(m): 11:14am On Aug 03, 2018
OLAADEGBU:


And you worship yourself, no? undecided

Yes, worship yourself and I God will emerge..
Re: Evangelicals Warn Mary Has Taken Jesus' Place On The Cross..... by sonmvayina(m): 11:20am On Aug 03, 2018
Mary (Inanna) is the Queen of heaven and Marduk is the king of heaven... And they have a son called jesus.. Who they sent to us to redeem us, but we killed him, and on the third day re Rose from the dead and went to heaven to meet his parents... What did I miss out?

A Hollywood movie, coming out soon..

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