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^Don't be ridiculous. Jesus said it ought to be done. QED

OkaiCorne:


Isn't the tithing Jesus made as a passing comment to the Pharisees what was practiced in line with Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29?

How exactly is tithing in church consistent with it?

I've also searched both the old and new testament... and I'm yet to see a non-Jew that tithed... For example, it was never stated anywhere that Job tithed... Do you know of any non-Jew that tithed?

I'm also yet to see where God instructed tithes to be given monetarily...

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Forget your excuses, Jesus Christ said it ought to be done. QED

johnw47:


it's true there are many "so called christians" that argue against a Christian
but you are the Christian

OkaiCorne:


And how was tithing done back then?

Can you also give an example of non-Jews that tithed?

Because I'm wondering how a law for the Jews alone now becomes necessary for non-Jews to follow... even after what transpired in Acts 15.

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So you agree that jews should tithe right? Good, because I am sure that Jesus said that it ought to be done. QED

OkaiCorne:


Do you know that even the Jews do not tithe currently?

By the way, you haven't mentioned any non-Jew that gave tithes both in the old and new testament...

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I'd take it you now know that Jesus said that tithing ought to be done?

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So you agree that jews should tithe right? Good, because I am sure that Jesus said that it ought to be done. QED

OkaiCorne:


Oh yes... tithing as the Jews did back then in line with the Mosaic Laws as outlined in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29...


So were gentiles tithing too?

Do you have any examples in the old and new testament to show us where non-Jews tithed?

OkaiCorne:


Oh yes... tithing as the Jews did back then in line with the Mosaic Laws as outlined in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29...


So were gentiles tithing too?

Do you have any examples in the old and new testament to show us where non-Jews tithed?

brocab:
This is why I am so glad to be a Gentile-Jews tithe, Christian Gentiles don't..

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Nothing wrong if they do. I'm so glad to tithe.

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Good, very good. Jesus Christ said it ought to be done. Nobody goes to hell for doing it, do they?

brocab:
And be glad to call yourself a Jew-when you are not a Jew! Gentiles need God, Tithers need money..

brocab:
I suppose if tithing is unbiblical-then you are preaching a false doctrine, lying for the cash without repentance, then I suppose it's a good chance you are heading in that direction to hell?

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Your supposition is as worthless as the meaning. Jesus Christ said tithing ought to be done, QED.

OkaiCorne:

Any biblical example of non-Jews that tithed?

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Any biblical example where tithing is frowned at, or rejected?

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Your supposition is as worthless as the meaning. Jesus Christ said tithing ought to be done, QED.

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It makes no difference, says the Bible. I'm glad all the same whatever you call me. Don't know who fed you the last sentence, i don't see it in the Bible.

OkaiCorne:


Have you read Acts 15 to find out if tithing applies to the gentiles too?

Can you also show us where God asked for tithes to be paid monetarily like the church is doing today?

brocab:
Where did Jesus say, tithing ought to be done? It would be hypocritical of Jesus because He didn't tithe, not even today in Israel the Jews pay tithes.

Don't you understand the Word of God, you have no idea how to be a giver-you give as little as 10%-a tithers greed! Tithers are deceived by Churches of religious traditions, rules and regulations!

I realise I am wasting my time-you don't tithe like the bible explained tithing-you are so caught with self-righteous, the Word of God won't stop you from spreading lies into existence.

The Church today is focused on religious traditions' rules and regulations" It was a custom, and it was paid in agreement with God-tithes for a price-God made a deal with the farmers, He said: you supply My people, I will supply Rain.

What tithing deal did He make with the Church today! None! 10% has nothing to do with us-.If you choose to tithe, do it in secret, become a Pharisee "tithe herbs? Shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; devour widows.
{Mark 12:39} One poor widow came and threw in two mites.
Because the widow was devoured by a Pharisee, the Pharisee knew she needed help-he took advantage of her poorness, given her his long prayer, she believed if she gives everything to the temple, God will bless her more then the others abundantly! This proves the Church is full of Pharisees in this day and age-it proves Jesus's disciples are separated from the rest of the world..

I even remember a tither told me, if they tithe more to God, God will bless them more abundantly, much more then a non tither-this is taught by false teachings!
But sadly-tithers are taught by their fathers and the fathers before them, pastors that lived a prosperous life style, while the world around them-continualed to stay poor, hungry and unclothed, 'tithers actually believe God blesses them abundantly through works, in tithes..
And I will like to add-this is not scriptural, everybody is equal to God, He said: seek His kingdom-He already knows our every need. To be truthful we need God-nothing else matters-I don't tithe, because it is unbiblical to tithe, but 'what is biblical, I give, and I am blessed equally.

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Have you bothered to read the whole Bible instead? There are a whole lot of things not mentioned in Acts 15 which we do if we make Acts 15 the standard. Do you pray, fellowship with other believers or sing? Is there any place God said not to tithe with money? If tithe using money is not tithe, what then is the headache?

OkaiCorne:


Oga... I have read the whole bible, and I have not seen anywhere it was stated that non-Jews tithed or were told to tithe. Can you show us any in your bible?

You also asked where God never required money as tithe.... now please read Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 where instructions on tithing were clearly spelt out... was it agro-produce or money that was tithed?

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I'm a fellow man like you, not your oga. The Bible is written to all from God, it is not for any one tribe. There's no single verse in the Bible that says not to tithe.
The Bible is not 8verses but 66books. Inside it, we see a man give tithes of all.

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In the Bible.



i give more than 10percent. You are supposing yet again, don't be presumptuous.



What makes you think that you are wasting your life?



Are you here to discuss the church? What church, your own or mine or Christ's?



Sincerely, you lost me here, i don't understand what you are saying.



Well, i am not guided by what anyone told you personally. i am guided by Jesus who said that tithes ought to be done. There are many roads to being blessed BTW. And there are many definitions of BLESSED too.

OkaiCorne:


1) The man who gave tithes "of all"... was he a Jew or a Gentile?

2) Was there any record of a non-Jew in the entire bible that gave tithes before, during or after the law

3) There are numerous instructions from God in addition to tithing such as;
a) Not shaving beards
b) Not wearing mixed clothing materials
c) Not planting two different kinds of seeds in the garden
d) Sewing tassels at the corners of one's garment...

What is the basis for accepting tithing but not adhering to these?

brocab:
Where did Jesus say tithes ought be done..
{Matthew 23:23} Hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone!
So does this mean tithers are hypocrites?
It is absolutely clear that {Matthew 23:23} is the “scribes and Pharisees”! “You” neither refers to Jesus’ disciples nor to the church! The scribes and Pharisees were the ones sitting in Moses’ seat –not his disciples. They were the ones interpreting the Law –not his disciples.
“Hypocrites”: The scribes and Pharisees are the hypocrites --not Jesus’ disciples. They were the ones who had exaggerated the Law to make it a burden. And they were ones who refused to obey the laws they had exaggerated! Jesus is not disciplining his disciples!
“For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin …” The “you” is still the scribes and Pharisees from “woe is you scribes and Pharisees”! As interpreters of the Law they had exaggerated it to include ordinary garden spices which the Law had never included.
The Mishnah and Talmud, not the Bible, defined tithes as "everything eatable, everything that was stored up or that grew out of the earth.”
The Pharisees prided themselves with scrupulous obedience to circumcision, Sabbath-keeping and tithing. They wanted the Jews to think that they could observe these three rites even better than what was expected of the Law. Meticulously counting micro-small spice seeds was their way of boasting.

While quoting this very text to prove that Jesus taught tithing to the Church, there is probably no church on earth which tells its members to literally bring tithes of garden spices.

“And [you] have omitted the weightier matters of the law -- judgment, mercy, and faith.”
Jesus is telling the scribes and Pharisees that judgment, mercy and faith” are more important “matters of the law” than is tithing.
It is incredible how often Christian tithe-teachers quote this verse and omit “of the law.” They then tell us that Jesus taught tithing and omit the historical context of the verse, the chapter and the covenant.
In fact, ALL of Matthew 22 and 23 is in the context of “matters of the law.” The Herodians had asked, "Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?" {Matt. 22:17}
In the next discussion Jesus rebuked the Sadducees by quoting from the law {Matt. 22:32, Exod. 3:6} next, one of the Pharisees asked, "Master, which is the great commandment in the law?" {Matt. 22:36}
{Matthew 23}" continues the discussion of “matters of the law.”
“These you ought to have done, without leaving the other undone.” Again I have never heard of a church which required its tithers to bring tithes “of mint and anise and cumin” and demand that they “ought to have done” so in obedience to Jesus’ command in {Matthew 23:23}
If this verse is supposed to be interpreted as Jesus’ command for Christians to tithe money (which the text does not clearly state) then it should also be interpreted as Jesus’ command for the church to tithe garden spices according to the Law (which the text does clearly state).
When Jesus said in {verse 23}"You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former," he was re-enforcing for Jews, not the moral law which is eternal, but the current interpretation of the ordinances of the ceremonial law of the Old Covenant.

In fact, Jesus could not have told Gentile Christians “These you ought to have done” because Gentiles were not allowed to bring tithes and tithes would not have been accepted even it they attempted to bring them! In order to be legitimate, tithes must only come from Israelites and only from inside Israel!

Jesus only commanded Jews to observe the Mosaic Law and present themselves to the priests. He did not command non-Jews to do this because their lives were not governed by the Mosaic Law.
It was not possible under the Law for non-Jews to be circumcised or tithe.
Again I am not expecting you to study the truth-I am not expecting you to believe in the truth-but if you are willing the truth is here if you need it..

I understand-we were all taught about tithing, we were deceived too, but don't worry we are brothers supporting brothers, we have nothing against you personally, but the Word of God's there if you are seeking.