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0balufonlll:
Bro, you stated that ‘Historians said something’, I pleaded to have the names of these Historians and the work wherein they said this thing but you posted a quote from a blog weblink that has nothing to do with Historians, really?

You do know if you were at a conference presenting a paper or defending a research thesis this could ruin your entire work & profile? Like seriously, this weblink is the source of your claim apart from failing to provide names of Historian and the works? Wow.

Bro, that weblink is trash. It is filled with guesses and conjectures just like a lot of people come on Nairaland to post fantasies they come up with in their head. Every work be it original or secondary source-based requires a lot of time on the field or in books gathering data& no one, I mean no one, posts any work be it original or secondary source based on the internet after all the time they have put it. They either use journals or book publishinh houses.

Please do not contribute to the rot in Yoruba History. A lot of Historians have given up on Yoruba History because every Yoruba is now a pseudo-historian coming up with nonsensical crap. A good number of Historians have turned to contemporary history and the few that remain find it difficult to put out their work because pseudo historians are everywhere especially on the internet.

Bruh, if history interests you that much, instead of reading/posting web-links with faugazy history such as this, why not take money out of your pocket to buy journal articles on Jstor? Heck, you can even read for free on Jstor. You will find that after you read extensively you’ll find gaps, thirst for knowledge and hit the field to conduct oral questionings even if it is about your own hometown or immediate environment. That way you’ll approach the history of your place with authority and facts and help add to the reconstruction of Yoruba history as a whole.

The Yoruba History Research Scheme that started in the 50s by old Professors like Akinjogbins & co have done a lot of work. A lot of books/journal articles from this era abound in university libraries waiting to be read. You can assess your school/alma mater library for copies and read them. Posting conjectures & fantasies from the head & weblinks such as the one you posted is unfair to Yoruba & the coming generations. They will see these posts and get even more confused and possibly develop identity problems like some AAs who think they are Hebrew, Arab, Native Indians and they can be excused for their confusion but we can not.

Thank you, champ.

0balufonlll:
Bro, you stated that ‘Historians said something’, I pleaded to have the names of these Historians and the work wherein they said this thing but you posted a quote from a blog weblink that has nothing to do with Historians, really?

You do know if you were at a conference presenting a paper or defending a research thesis this could ruin your entire work & profile? Like seriously, this weblink is the source of your claim apart from failing to provide names of Historian and the works? Wow.

Bro, that weblink is trash. It is filled with guesses and conjectures just like a lot of people come on Nairaland to post fantasies they come up with in their head. Every work be it original or secondary source-based requires a lot of time on the field or in books gathering data& no one, I mean no one, posts any work be it original or secondary source based on the internet after all the time they have put it. They either use journals or book publishinh houses.

Please do not contribute to the rot in Yoruba History. A lot of Historians have given up on Yoruba History because every Yoruba is now a pseudo-historian coming up with nonsensical crap. A good number of Historians have turned to contemporary history and the few that remain find it difficult to put out their work because pseudo historians are everywhere especially on the internet.

Bruh, if history interests you that much, instead of reading/posting web-links with faugazy history such as this, why not take money out of your pocket to buy journal articles on Jstor? Heck, you can even read for free on Jstor. You will find that after you read extensively you’ll find gaps, thirst for knowledge and hit the field to conduct oral questionings even if it is about your own hometown or immediate environment. That way you’ll approach the history of your place with authority and facts and help add to the reconstruction of Yoruba history as a whole.

The Yoruba History Research Scheme that started in the 50s by old Professors like Akinjogbins & co have done a lot of work. A lot of books/journal articles from this era abound in university libraries waiting to be read. You can assess your school/alma mater library for copies and read them. Posting conjectures & fantasies from the head & weblinks such as the one you posted is unfair to Yoruba & the coming generations. They will see these posts and get even more confused and possibly develop identity problems like some AAs who think they are Hebrew, Arab, Native Indians and they can be excused for their confusion but we can not.

Thank you, champ.

Obalufon:
Orunmila master Historian ..

.OPINION
By Zo Giwa
The Yoruba people know who they are.....

AS one of the Olugbon princes in Ekun Osi of old Oyo empire and a direct descendant of Oduduwa through Oramiyan, and as passed down to us by our ancestors, I think I'm well informed to contribute to the above raging issue. A person who is bent on inheriting another's legacy will say anything for history.

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0balufonlll:
1. Osin Ora was an Ife man. He lived on Oke Ora towards Opa side in our town. (Are you familiar with this location?). He was in interactions with Idio group in Ilare (you know Idio or at least Ilare right?) and Ejio (you know Ejio in Moore, correct?). When he came down with other hill residents Ejio met up with him at Moore, they had banters and led him to Idio where the hill settlers settled.

2. The whole Waddai Ijebu origin is nonsense. It began with the imaginative fantasy of Hebrew & Arab connection that keeps sprouting generationally. Ijebu king & an Ijebu Balogun gave statements to colonialists acknowledging their Ife origins. They reflected this by fighting on Ife’s side in all the wars Ife was engaged in. Even the Ekitiparapo war where Ife fought Modakeke. The Ijebu refused to go home until even though Ijebu had no direct or indirect gains in Ife/Modakeke question. I dowbloaded some texts from my Jstor account today & saw an old work on Ijebu, I could share it with you later after they upload to my dropbox & iCloud.

3. They are Ugbo (pronounced like dodo) not Igbo. The autocthonous peoples of Ife are all Ugbo. The 13 quarters of Ife are made up of Ugbo. The difference is some supported the dabaru in the system while some did not support it. For those who supported some stayed while some were very irritated that they left - the Ilaje. Although Ife has been somewhat structured along Ogbon that overlaps across the 13 communities, each of the communities know themselves and their early history confirms they were Ugbo. For example, your ancestor, Obalufon had Ugbo origins.

4. Coming up with facts include using Primary & Secondary sources. Primary sources include oral evidences which include oriki as Olu317 said. Ifa verses, songs, chants; government gazetted documents. For secondary sources you’ll look at books, news papers, journal articles & so on. The key thing here is being trained to sieve legitimate evidences from false data - this is what makes a Historian.

googi:
Obalufon,

I do not agree with everything you posted but I respect your view and connection to Ife. I am not sure if you missed or discount Zo Giwa connection and account.



BTW, you may be right on online writings but discerning mind know how to sort facts from rubbish.

Other disciplines including science and law know how to do that. Actually, you are one of those online writers.

Scholars now realize that if their work only comes confined to academic publications, most of them will die unread by this generation.

So be careful.

Olu317,

I still maintain that and believe the migration pattern: but back and forth from Ife in what I think our fathers sorjourned beyond our rain forest.

googi:
When Amad Baba complained bitterly that only Yoruba, Mossi etc that refused to convert to Islam should be enslaved, not them because he was a Muslim.

Where was this?

In Songhai Empire in Timbuktu University where Yoruba were scholars and traders. We can all agree that is far from Ile-Ife.

I have no problem with those that claimed Oduduwa of B.C came from Oke Ira as long as we all agree that Yoruba are also world travelers that came back home. Of all the ethnic groups in Africa, Ile-Ife and Ooni command respect and awe that pread to even those that have never been to Ife.

The III will now ask me for authority on that last statement.

kayfra:
Still, we are not moors. Though we have traces of admixture, just means we are humans. Every human is mixed

kayfra:
Still, we are not moors. Though we have traces of admixture, just means we are humans. Every human is mixed

googi:
Thank you, that is obvious from organ donor genetic matching where family members do not match but people from different continents and colors match.

But prejudice is stronger than scientific facts.
Do not forget that black dynasties in Egypt at different periods, history and edifices were obliterated.

Even the flat nose of the Sphinx was disfigured.

Go figure that out.

Moorish:
Moor is not even our original name

it was the romans who called us that

Moor was a derivative of Ta Meri, Ta maurians, then it became maurs, that is the original land of Mauritania that we held before the invasion of rome.. however the arabs helped us re-conquer that land, thats when we named it mauritania

Anyway Ta meri, Ta seti (Egypt and nubia) were quite possibly our first civilizations before we spread throughout the mother continent

Peace

Moorish:
And brother, about the earlier spat we had

I call truce

Our histories were suppressed/wiped out so I believe I need you, as well as all my other brothers to reconnect the pieces

When odduduwa says he came from the east, it could simply be kush/sudan

We all know the destruction of Kemet/egypt is what led to our downfall/enslavement

The pale skinned humans had to conquer the entrance to africa (Egypt) before penetrating the mainland

So it is very well plausible that our origins are truly eastern (egypt/sudan/kush)

googi:
No ill feelings. These issues are complicated and even worse but for the painstaking and ardous work by Diop.

Yet, we cannot totally dismiss oral history at the same time, we have to wait for scientific evidence to back them up.

Moorish:
And brother, about the earlier spat we had

I call truce

Our histories were suppressed/wiped out so I believe I need you, as well as all my other brothers to reconnect the pieces

When odduduwa says he came from the east, it could simply be kush/sudan

We all know the destruction of Kemet/egypt is what led to our downfall/enslavement

The pale skinned humans had to conquer the entrance to africa (Egypt) before penetrating the mainland

So it is very well plausible that our origins are truly eastern (egypt/sudan/kush)

kayfra:
Except you just call all dark-skinned West African and North African Moors.

Lmao

Olu317:
There was no known man in ancient Egypt, be it lower or upper Egypt that bore such name as Odudua. The record of prominent or noble people who lived in Egypt were all written in Aramaic papyri that was found in Egypt.

But, the prominent names with close found in Egypt's history and Yoruba's were Yebu,Juda-Jews, Ilù and the land of Onias . etc

The question are:

1. Who was the father of Odua and Obatala?

2.Where did all the scientific knowledge of herbology came from?

3. How did many words alien to west Africa are found in Yoruba's lexicon?

4. Where was the land of Orù,that Yoruba ancestors said they onced lived and there were claims that the city was destroyed few times?

5. The deity known as Ra in Egypt is associated with sun. What is the meaning of Okè ‘Òrà' in Yoruba land ?


Hopefully,the scholars, the Ph.D holders and Professors on this platform will explain the meaning of Òrà in ILEIFE.

Moorish:
Do you have examples of some alien words found in Yoruba language ?

Olu317:
Yes, I do and I have release some. As I expect you to know,it is for my research work. Although, you can view some on, Arab origin of Yorubas. So also on Meaning of Adimula's thread.
I would have copy and pasted them but I have bot's problem.

Moorish:
That is an interesting idea.. Is there a way we can prove these things?

Some living elders might know something u know?

Olu317:
Well, you do have a point. It only support the saying, Òmòdè gbòn àgbà gbòn nì wòn fì dà'lèifé. And if that be the case,it means,all of us are working for the unraveling of the mysterious Yoruba hidden and lost history. Although,to be near accurate with one's finding or research as it may seem,one need a lot of authenticity of one's claim,which ,I find unchallenging because ,my oriki itself acknowledges challenges but triumph always. So,irrespective of challenges,I will triumph.

On a last note, the research is to glorify Yoruba as a Race.





Cheers bro

Moorish:
Oyo Empire c.1600-c.1836: A West African Imperialism in the Era of the Atlantic Slave Trade by Robin Law


All my Yoruba brothers, please read this book


It is apparently the best work on Oyo


Our empire crumbled 50 years before European imperialism into Africa, that is why there is scant information on our empire from literary sources


That is why Dahomey, Benin and Asante seem more significant than our empire! They were still standing when the white man came, so he had artifacts to write about, oral accounts etc


Robin law seems to have done a good enough work from what I have read so far


I just paid $46 for this book, but it could be my most important purchase to date


Always wanted to know about my heritage

Olu317:
You do have a good heritage man. Oyo reigned for centuries. Although different people wrote about Oyo but the close time Oyo fell was around 1823-1824 through Afonja, after, Capt clapperton visited Oyo in 1822 and left.

Anyway,all the best.

Olu317:
You do have a good heritage man. Oyo reigned for centuries. Although different people wrote about Oyo but the close time Oyo fell was around 1823-1824 through Afonja, after, Capt clapperton visited Oyo in 1822 and left.

Anyway,all the best.

Moorish:
Moorish history is more glorious than any sub-Saharan African history

So it’s the opposite of a water down

Even oral historical corpus of yorubas assert an eastern origin for yorubas, specifically the region of Mecca

There is a reason for that

Can u explain our possession of a large cavalry ?