₦airaland Forum

Myjanuzaj:
Thank you sir. Like in the case of OBJ vs Dangote vs Ibeto

Mordecai:
You cannot deceive Ndigbo by spewing out half-truths and false information. When you talk of service chiefs, please mention ALL service chiefs. Mention the Police, DSS, NIA etc. Bring the whole picture, not parts of it, let's analyse it properly.

When you talk about the politics of Ndigbo, you first of all, need to understand that they do not want the Presidency for the sake of itself. The Igbo man goes to all nooks and crannies of the country to carry out his trade. It thus stands to reason that they simply want a conducive environment for business and peace EVERYWHERE. And for that we do not need an Igbo President. We just need a nationalist President. And that is what Buhari can never become. Which is also why we will NEVER support him.

Op, I have to ask, are you sure you are Igbo?

Yyeske:
Most Igbos would never understand what it means to have power

SolutionMee:
Apart from Rochas, all Igbos love Saraki and are ready to vote for him

I'm a Yoruba and I will as well vote for him

That's my decision and it is best known to me

Best known to me alone

SolutionMee:
Apart from Rochas, all Igbos love Saraki and are ready to vote for him

I'm a Yoruba and I will as well vote for him

That's my decision and it is best known to me

Best known to me alone

Alexk2:
Before nko, they aren't stupid and they never forget history so easily. You need to read of how they were persecuted and called different names during the civil war. How can they stand it when within the "real" igbos, there are halfcast and second citizens. Forget wike style or Dickson large heart o, they know what's up when it comes to that one.

Myjanuzaj:
They know but this is the issue in bold

"A group of boys were going to the field to play, he came accross a mango tree and on top of the mango tree is a ripe nice and delicious looking mango, this mango enticed them so much that they started using stones to bring it down from the height it is. They tried this for many hours but could not. One of them said to the other, "I think that mango up there is sour, so wont be sweet" the other boy agreed with him and they walked away without feeling bad"

MrJanuzaj:
SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit.

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine.

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'.

REWIND TO 2014.
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance.

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did.

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more.

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma.

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023?
On what grounds?
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone?
Is it an appeasement or a gift?

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested.

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game.

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu.

(c) Dr Uche Diala

MrJanuzaj:
[b]

For the bolded i dont know and dont want to know. If you have statistics to back it up do well to provide it.

A group of boys were going to the field to play, he came accross a mango tree and on top of the mango tree is a ripe nice and delicious looking mango, this mango enticed them so much that they started using stones to bring it down from the height it is. They tried this for many hours but could not. One of them said to the other, "I think that mango up there is sour, so wont be sweet" the other boy agreed with him and they walked away without feeling bad

kaorama:
You have sold your soul into slavery. Go ahead and enjoy the goodies. Greatness is not by whom you associate with nut by the idea you associate with. This country is doomed with follow follow people like you. We stand for restructuring. And when it comes, you will be ashamed of all the crumps you have gathered by follow follow business.

Yyeske:
Food for thought.
Already happening even in the PDP, you can see how Wike, Secondus and northerners have cornered the party and leaving the SE with virtually nothing.

MrJanuzaj:
SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit.

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine.

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'.

REWIND TO 2014.
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance.

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did.

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more.

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma.

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023?
On what grounds?
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone?
Is it an appeasement or a gift?

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested.

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game.

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu.

(c) Dr Uche Diala

Amumaigwe:
Very senile analogy. If you have not realized that presidency has not profited the kinsmen of the president, then your tomfoolery is high-end. Take your foolish counsel to your mental slave masters. Igbos don't need presidency. We need restructuring. That is the only thing that can profit us.

However, supposing that presidency does profit and it is only through Buhari that Igbos can ever become president, we will still reject him and his blood-soaked offer. Reason: We hate him.

Amumaigwe:
Very senile analogy. If you have not realized that presidency has not profited the kinsmen of the president, then your tomfoolery is high-end. Take your foolish counsel to your mental slave masters. Igbos don't need presidency. We need restructuring. That is the only thing that can profit us.

However, supposing that presidency does profit and it is only through Buhari that Igbos can ever become president, we will still reject him and his blood-soaked offer. Reason: We hate him.

Yyeske:
APC was formed by an amalgamation of parties, APGA was invited but they stood out.
Before the 2015 general election, while other ethnic group organizations granted audience to Buhari, Ohaneze stood out, shamefully it was the first organization to pay Buhari a visit after he won with some stupid demands.
Ngige who should've been the Senate president now is not there because he contested under an "Islamic" party.
Can I give you more?

Myjanuzaj:
Wike is playing the national league negotiating with Tambuwal, Saraki, Fayose and co across the country. This people dey here the eat themselves up

ifiokjohn:
nonsense as usual from a wannabe igbo.

You are a yoruba muslim. Admit it. And if you are not, then you are one of the brainwash few in the east that believe in the dullard.

I want to ask you something.
The north that have held power for more than 40 of our 58 years as a country, what have they gain?
if not more
Illiteracy
Underdevelopment
They keep breeding dull individuals as presidents.

Hear it today, in 58 years of our existance as a forceful union country, the igbos has been better in all ramification than the north

akiOYIBO:
"APC amalgamated in 2015 and Igbos refused to join with their foolish demands" is the proof u have. Well still waiting for proofs.

Afamed:
The question should have been what has Ndigbos benefited from PDP since over 16 yrs of followership?

Myjanuzaj:
"A group of boys were going to the field to play, he came accross a mango tree and on top of the mango tree is a ripe nice and delicious looking mango, this mango enticed them so much that they started using stones to bring it down from the height it is. They tried this for many hours but could not. One of them said to the other, "I think that mango up there is sour, so wont be sweet" the other boy agreed with him and they walked away without feeling bad"

The above bolded is the reason why igbos are not mad about presidency

MrJanuzaj:
SOUTH EAST: IS IT NOT TOO LATE?

I have read the recent transmissions by Senator Bukola Saraki directed at my Igbo tribe. I have deliberately kept mum on this as I had earlier resolved to speak less on Igbos as regards the 2019 Elections and 2023 Presidency having said quite a bit.

However seeing as some of my brethren have swallowed the cheap bait, I will chip this in just to keep the reality before us, at least for posterity sake. Truth is bitter but it's still the best medicine.

My people say; 'He who does not remember where the rain started beating him, will not remember where it stopped'.

REWIND TO 2014.
A new National Party was being conceived. Political Parties, political players and Regions were being wooed to the new alliance.

'We' Igbos (read South East) vehemently refused to touch it even with a long pole. We packaged, sold to ourselves and bought the baseless propaganda that it was an Islamic alliance that would birth an "Islamic" and "Hausa" Party. Simply because those our brethren heavily invested in the PDP at the time were afraid of losing their vested selfish interests.
Till today I'm still trying to fathom the basis for that wicked and twisted deceit especially as many of those Igbo elites who sold that dummy have since ported to the same APC.

We failed to even identify with that new Alliance. Hence the Party, APC was birthed without any remarkable input from us or presence. The few amongst us who aligned were called all kinds of names and abused to high heavens by us even when they were proven right afterall.

Thus the few Igbos who were part of it were at best fringe players as they didn't have the required clout to make serious demands and do the necessary political wheeling and dealing required in Politics to strike the hard bargains since politics is all about interests and numbers. They were even suspect, so much so that it was only their personal political sagacity that gave them whatever they got.

That Party went on to win the Presidential Election which in truth, most of us never believed it could or would, because of our half baked permutations and poor understanding of Nigerian politics. But it did.

Curiously we turned up at the fore front of telling this same Party how it should share it's 'spoils of war'. We became hypocritical moral champions with an over bloated sense of entitlement. Who does that, in all political reality and practicality? But we did, even while vehemently and vociferously still refusing to shift our position, style and rhethoric.

We dug in. Supported every bad thing and person against the Party, the elected President and the Administration while denying any and every good done to and for our Region.

Fast forward to where we are today. Almost four years after the 2015 misadventure, we have stayed put at 2015, refusing to move forward, refusing to shift grounds, refusing to play pragmatic politics, telling ourselves the same lies we cooked and bought in 2015 and some more.

Now barely 5 months to another election, we have started again saying "APC cannot give Presidency to Igbos in 2023". "Buhari cannot hand over to an Igbo man because Buhari hates Igbos". "APC is deceiving you", bla bla bla.

Of course. We will believe Saraki, who has only but a fanthom dream of becoming President and whose only known record is selfishness but we can't believe Buhari who's already President and who has a record of voluntarily picking two great Igbo sons as running mates in the past? Chukwu aju.

It is interesting and vital to note here that the PDP which many of us still proudly support and adore was in power for 16 solid years and in those years there were 4 Presidential Inaugurations and on none of those was an Igbo man found worthy by the PDP of even Vice Presidency and we are still bold to say it is the APC that has not even finished one tenure that doesn't want to give power to Igbos. Odi nma.

NOW; Seriously, let's be sincere. As things stand today politically, why would the APC even hand power to us Igbos in 2023?
On what grounds?
On what records?
On what politics?
Is power given to anyone?
Is it an appeasement or a gift?

The APC is a political party. The main focus of a political Party is to hold power and keep it to enable it deliver on its agenda. So if the APC reads that the SE does not want the Presidency or does not have the capacity to help them win and keep power, they will stick with the regions that can and work with individuals who are interested.

Make no mistake, I have always said, I do not blame us Igbos for the decision majority of us took in 2015. It's our right. But continuing to pretend that it was other regions, Buhari or the APC that made us do what we did then or remain where we are today is purely self deceit and I refuse to play that ostrich game.

As far back as 2014, I and many others made that argument that Igbo Presidency was very feasible in 2023, ONLY under under the APC, ONLY IF we did a couple of things right politically. I personally continued to speak loudly on that even after the 2015 elections until when I realized that we were not ready to play the politics that was required and now I dare say it may be too late. Or is it not? Time will tell.

For now, we can continue to tell ourselves that we cannot hold the Presidency of Nigeria. I heard and read many of our brethren go from PDP to Biafra/seccesion (read IPOB) to Referendum to "Igbos do not need Presidency but Restructuring" etc forgetting that all that didn't lie squarely with us alone. We think other regions are not reading our body language?

I really don't care what Saraki writes or says because they've all come to realize that it's very easy to play us like a flute. So like Saraki, like Fani Kayode, like Fayose, like Atiku, even Jonah Jang of all people, they keep playing us.

I've learnt not to bother myself anymore to avoid unnecessary abuse from nonentities . As some of us have said, it's good governance we want, even if only one village will be producing the Presidents. So be it.

Ka Chineke mezie okwu.

(c) Dr Uche Diala

Mordecai:
Please respond to the argument and not bring in ad hominem points. He explained what Ndigbo want and why they take the positions they do. Tell us why it is wrong.

Yyeske says they need it so as to make their brothers as rich as Dangote.

I find that laughable.

First, we have Igbo men that have become unimaginably rich, even under the same Obasanjo. However, personal wealth is not the same as communal wealth, something we know and appreciate all too well.

Also, Yaradua handed back Ibeto's license to him, and negotiated with the Niger Delta militants, and he is not even a Southerner. He was just the kind of detribalized President we needed. If Buhari cannot, he should get out of the way. If we cannot push him out, at least he should forget about our support.

As for the Presidency, we do not want to grow to the exclusion of others. We want what we want, whether you want it or not.

And one day, we will get it. We are Ndigbo.

chisco82:
Stop deceiving yourself bro. It was the way same we invested in PDP and never see the presidency, the Nigerian(Hoisa/Fulani and Yoruba) cospiracy has made it that no Igbo Man will ever be the predent of Nigeria, it was a greement written and sign which Dr. Chuba Okadigbo discovered then as the Senate president. I'm sure you are aware of that but choose to serve ur slave masters for the money your are receiving.
I have challenged you(UCHE DIALA) before about thos your support for APC on facebook and you blocked me without answering my question.
Stop deceiving yourself bro. Only restructuring can make us gain ground to win presidential election in Nigeria. With the structure of Nigeria today and igbo population, electoral system it can never be realistic.
Lastly stop using style to campaign for APC.

Myjanuzaj:
You are deluded to think i am embittered. Yes i am APC but why will i be embittered my Party is in power and are winning elections after election and are very likely going to win the nnext election. Why will i be embittered? I am throwing the ignorance of folks like you on the face

akiOYIBO:
Good but why not comport urself and be happy while throwing the "ignorance to folks" like me. I have watched u insult and cry. Why do u av to cry? if u do not need Igbo why borther throwing ignorance on them? What is ur problem, have the Igbo ever maimed or killed u before? U do the maiming, the killings, the marginalising etc and still come back to throw ignorance . What is the problem with Nigeria agianst the Igbo?

Myjanuzaj:
Go and get education first before talking trash there are 4 service chiefs in Nigeria.

Chief of Defence staff.
Chief of Army staff.
Chief of Naval staff and Chief of Air staff.

Any other post you are adding there is the figment of your ignorance

Yyeske:
How do you get the restructuring you talked about, is it by allowing others decide for you

Yyeske:
We Don hear you, now tell us how to restructure the country without the participation of Ndigbo

Amumaigwe:
There is no stopping any ideology whose time has come. Every patriotic Nigerian is asking for restructuring. The agitation will reach a crescendo sooner or later and the right thing will be done.

Scheming for presidency with the likes of Tinubu will forever put a death knell on that quest which is the only way out of the woods for Nigeria. Got it?

MrJanuzaj:
You think being a jobless IPOB criminal makes you more Igbo? Onye ara. Otolo gba gbu kwa gi there.

Myjanuzaj:
You cant get sovereignty or at least restructuring without playing the national game. If igbos had gotten the Senate presidency in 2015 at least we would have had someone to front what we want for us. But in 2015, southeast was the only region that did not produce Senators from the 2 majors political parties.