solite3:
I didn't deny the hypostatic union
Jesus has been God even before he took upon him the human nature.
Jesus humanity began from Mary's womb not his divine nature.

you have already denied the hypostatic Union unless you don't know the meaning of hypostatic Union, right now you are in Nestorianism.


The Word of God is God, jn 1:1, that same became flesh in the womb of Mary jn 1:14 , Luke 1, and was born of her.

The everlasting Word of the most high took flesh and was born of Mary, she is his mother.

ichuka:

Bro Jesus NEVER took an atom of flesh from Mary.rather He became flesh in Mary!!
Two different things.
John1:14And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
He became flesh in Mary.
An incubator don't share it's contituent with it's product.
Not possible.
In doubt?
Ask the poultry farmers for a start.

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The Bible pretty much is clear on this, Mary was not an Incubator, she is a mother, in CONCEIVED her son Jesus not just incubate him. She conceived, bore and birthed him that is how he became flesh.

Luke 1:31

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

Ubenedictus:
God took flesh in the womb of Mary and she gave birth to him, God and man. Unless you wish to tell me when the divine nature joined the human nature of Jesus.

the divine nature is distinct from his human nature. what applied to his human nature does not apply to his divine nature, for example when Jesus slept his human nature slept not his divine nature use that to understand what I m saying, God is beyond time and space.
when Jesus was born his divine nature wad not the one given birth to but his human nature.
when the word took the form of flesh his divine nature remains unchanged and not subject to physical laws. so saying Mary is mother of God will automatically mean that his divine nature, which for example had no mother or father or genealogy changed.


Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.


except of cause you mean that God changed

Gggg102:



when your mother gave birth to you, did she give birth to flesh alone or flesh and spirit?

answer this question first
is your father only the father of you flesh or spirit?

solite3:
answer this question first is your father only the father of you flesh or spirit?

I asked the question first.

Ubenedictus:
this should help you, it is from the anathasian creed.

29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.
31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.
32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.
33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.
34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.
35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God.
36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.
37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;
38. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead;
39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;
40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;
42. and shall give account of their own works.
43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.





his uncaused divine nature didn't change, he who is God took to himself human nature in the womb of the virgin Mary and in his one person is both God and man without forsaking his divine nature or losing it or intermingling it. he is God and since his incarnation he is both God and man, and Mary gave birth to him, one person possessing two natures.


I already know how to separate Jesus human nature from his divine nature, heck it is we Catholics who defined the doctrine of the hypostatic union you guy simply came later and adopted it. it is I who should tell you to learn more about it.

the topic of the thread still remains, God took flesh in the womb of Mary and was born Jesus,God and man. Mary gave birth to a son who had two natures, she bore and birthed to God incarnate (God in human nature). she is his mother, you can't dodge it. funny enough the same council the set forth the hypostatic union also affirmed the Mary gave birth to God incarnate, she is Theotokus.

Nice one

Gggg102:


I asked the question first.

the question should have helped you answer your question.

Ubenedictus:
I accept both paul , his words and his teaching.

Gal 4:4 say God sent his son born of a woman, if the son of God is God and he is born of a woman, then she is his mother.

Are you trying to please God or Man?

Ubenedictus:
God took flesh in the womb of Mary and she gave birth to him, God and man. Unless you wish to tell me when the divine nature joined the human nature of Jesus.

yes the human nature and his divine nature were united in one person but God has no mother, motherhood is a biological function not applied to the divine nature.
in this way yes Mary gave birth to the God-man but she is not the mother of God.

MuttleyLaff:
♪ ♬ Mary did you know, when you kiss your little Baby, you kissed the face of God?♩ ♫

Why are you so bent on denying Mary her motherhood?
You can say Mary is the mother of God since she mothered God incarnate
She brought up the God incarnate child
She kissed the face of the God incarnate child with care and affection

yea was both God and man but never the mother of God

solite3:
yes the human nature and his divine nature were united in one person but God has no mother,
motherhood is a biological function not applied to the divine nature.
in this way yes Mary gave birth to the God-man but she is not the mother of God.

1/ Biological function is not applied to the divine nature? What!?
You better start explaining how you mean by this
2/ Was the divine nature, inside Mary's womb, for nine months or not?
3/ Look at John 20:27-28 below for a sec, now tell.
Why gangan is Mary, not the mother of God?

solite3:
yea was both God and man but never the mother of God

"²⁷Then Jesus said to Thomas,
“Put your finger here and look at My hands.
Reach out your hand and put it into My side.
Stop doubting and believe.”
²⁸Thomas replied,
“My Lord and my God!” "
- John 20:27-28

solite3, solite3, solite3,
How many times did I call you?
Hmm. Efrebor efrebor you go wound o!
This table that you're shaking whilst standing on it, you will lose your balance and fall, if I am to join and shake the table with you

solite3:
yea was both God and man but never the mother of God

So Elizabeth filled with the Holy Ghost was wrong in Luke 1:43?
And you right?

And Solite you can do yourself some good and do a fact check with what you post on Mary or the Catholic by comparing it with official teaching of the Catholic Church which available to all (use Google).
Many of those antagonist to the Catholic are so because of perception and not facts.
Many anti Catholics have converted when they see the real deal. E.g Scott Hann

Ubenedictus:

The Bible pretty much is clear on this, Mary was not an Incubator, she is a mother, in CONCEIVED her son Jesus not just incubate him. She conceived, bore and birthed him that is how he became flesh.

Luke 1:31

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

Luke1:34Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that "HOLY THING"which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Do you why the THING FORMED IN HER WAS CALLED HOLY?
Lol
Bro,I no fit argue with you abeg.
My mum and siblings are still catholic and I truly believe some in your meetings are truly saved.

solite3:
we are on the same page bro,
yes Mary was his mother in the flesh but that is where it ended

Bro He took no flesh from anybody
That's my point.He can't be part of what He came to destroy(The Flesh).
He came in the likeness of our flesh doesn't mean He shared our old corrupted flesh.
Philip2:7rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very natureb of a servant,
being made in human likeness.

solite3:
answer this question first
is your father only the father of you flesh or spirit?

Dude our mum are just like a vessel we pass through.all the constituent of a child is from the sperm of the dad.have you ever wondered why if a child is sick and need blood the doctor first ask of his father or his siblings and not the mum?
Dude ask ur doc.

solite3:
the question should have helped you answer your question.

I asked the question and told you to give a direct answer, yes or no, not a 'question that should have helped me answer my question'.

solite3:
answer this question first is your father only the father of you flesh or spirit?

I asked the question.
just yes or no answer will do.

ichuka:

Dude our mum are just like a vessel we pass through.all the constituent of a child is from the sperm of the dad.have you ever wondered why if a child is sick and need blood the doctor first ask of his father or his siblings and not the mum?
Dude ask ur doc.

did you ever learn biology?

MuttleyLaff:
1/ Biological function is not applied to the divine nature? What!?
You better start explaining how you mean by this
2/ Was the divine nature, inside Mary's womb, for nine months or not?
3/ Look at John 20:27-28 below for a sec, now tell.
Why gangan is Mary, not the mother of God?

"²⁷Then Jesus said to Thomas,
“Put your finger here and look at My hands.
Reach out your hand and put it into My side.
Stop doubting and believe.”
²⁸Thomas replied,
“My Lord and my God!” "
- John 20:27-28

solite3, solite3, solite3,
How many times did I call you?
Hmm. Efrebor efrebor you go wound o!
This table that you're shaking whilst standing on it, you will lose your balance and fall, if I am to join and shake the table with you

1/ how hard is it to understand that? God does not have a mother. Mary became the mother of Jesus by virtue of Jesus physical birth not divinity.
2/ Mary Carried the God-man in her womb does not mean she was the mother of God, 'Mary the mother of God' was not taught in the early church.
3/John 20:27-28 does prove Jesus is God but not that God had a mother.

what you are insinuating is that Jesus divine nature and his human nature are one and the same which is wrong.
the.
Jesus was God from eternity but added a human nature in cause of time. this two nature's became one ( united) not mixed or changed or the same.
Do you know Jesus never called Mary Mother in the bible? why?

MosesAlex:

So Elizabeth filled with the Holy Ghost was wrong in Luke 1:43?
And you right?

You should also know that Jesus is Lord by virtue of being the anointed one so this does not insinuate Mary to be God's mother.
read this also

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

since God made Jesus Lord. does it mean God made Jesus God?

solite3:

when your mother gave birth to you, did she give birth to flesh alone or flesh and spirit?

MosesAlex:
And Solite you can do yourself some good and do a fact check with what you post on Mary or the Catholic by comparing it with official teaching of the Catholic Church which available to all (use Google).
Many of those antagonist to the Catholic are so because of perception and not facts.
Many anti Catholics have converted when they see the real deal. E.g Scott Hann

The rcc teachings are most times unclear and subtly deceptive.
Jesus existed before he was born -correct
the word took on flesh and became the God-man- correct
Mary therefore is the mother of God- wrong.
reason because God existed before Mary simple.

Gggg102:


when your mother gave birth to you, did she give birth to flesh alone or flesh and spirit?

yes she gave birth to to human consisting of body soul and spirit, while the body originated from her the spirit was created by God

solite3:
1/ how hard is it to understand that?
God does not have a mother.
Mary became the mother of Jesus by virtue of Jesus physical birth not divinity.

I am grateful to you for your excellent replies
First and foremost. God, in this context, is principally referring, to Jesus
so means Jesus, God had a mother, that mother being Mary

Mary became the mother of Jesus,
became mother of the God incarnate, the God in flesh, the God in human form, by virtue, of a God physical and natural birth

Remember solite3, he don tey wey yansh don dey for back
Remember that God had, previously a couple of times, been appearing on earth physically or in physical forms
but with Mary, this is the first and only time, He comes to earth naturally

solite3:
2/ Mary Carried the God-man in her womb does not mean she was the mother of God,
'Mary the mother of God' was not taught in the early church

Oh c'mon now. Study the word, to show yourself approved...
"Mary the mother of God" is taught in the bible
Even better, you solite3, if you do the right thing is a mother of God

solite3:
3/John 20:27-28 does prove Jesus is God
but not that God had a mother.

I love the careful thought or honesty you demonstrated here
however contrary to how you see it, the God began having a mother the moment God popped out of Mary
You cant deny this simple fact and straighforward "korokoro" truth nau.

solite3:
what you are insinuating is that Jesus divine nature and his human nature are one and the same which is wrong.
the.
Jesus was God from eternity but added a human nature in cause of time.
this two nature's became one (united) not mixed or changed or the same.

Is it not this same "Jesus was God from eternity but added a human nature in cause of time" that Mary gave birth to?

solite3:
Do you know Jesus never called Mary Mother in the bible?

He never called Mary Mother in the bible
but said who His mother is
Please notice that unlike you, I didnt have the first letter in mother, capitalised or be in upper case letter M.

solite3:
why?

There is no why
because you are asking an invalid why question

solite3, read and listen to this questions and answers below

Teacher: solite3 is your dad, right?
solite3's Kid: Yes, he is, Teach
Teacher: How old is your father then?
solite3's Kid: He is 6 years
Teacher: What? How is this possible?
solite3's Kid: He became father only when I was born

Now here are 4 simple questions, I know you easily can answer
1/ When the God, become father, at what time?
2/ When did God, become Son, as in, at what time?
3/ How did God, become Father?
4/ How did God, become Son?

solite3, I think you'll by now have seen the light after reading the above short Q&A and answered the 4 short and simple questions.

solite3:

yes she gave birth to to human consisting of body soul and spirit, while the body originated from her the spirit was created by God

the spirit originated from God but your mother gave birth to it along with your body.

your mother gave birth to you body and spirit.

Mary gave birth to Jesus body and spirit even though the spirit did not originate from her.
Mary is the mother of Jesus body and spirit so, she is the mother of God.

Gggg102:


the spirit originated from God but your mother gave birth to it along with your body.

your mother gave birth to you body and spirit.

Mary gave birth to Jesus body and spirit even though the spirit did not originate from her.
Mary is the mother of Jesus body and spirit so, she is the mother of God.

So your God had a mother?
Who's the father of your God?
You guys still don't understand John1:13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Christ wasn't born by blood of Mary,either did He share same flesh with Mary nor was He born of the will of a man!!haba!!

[quote author=MuttleyLaff post=71241999]I am grateful to you for your excellent replies
First and foremost. God, in this context, is principally referring, to Jesus
so means Jesus, God had a mother, that mother being Mary

Mary became the mother of Jesus,
became mother of the God incarnate, the God in flesh, the God in human form, by virtue, of a God physical and natural birth
[\quote] every earthly relationship begins and ends in this life. Mary relationship as his mother ended the day Jesus died.
going by your logic we can say God the Son is just about 2000 years old which is false.

Remember solite3, he don tey wey yansh don dey for back
Remember that God had, previously a couple of times, been appearing on earth physically or in physical forms
but with Mary, this is the first and only time, He comes to earth naturally

Oh c'mon now. Study the word, to show yourself approved...
"Mary the mother of God" is taught in the bible
Even better, you solite3, if you do the right thing is a mother of God

I love the careful thought or honesty you demonstrated here
however contrary to how you see it, the God began having a mother the moment God popped out of Mary
You cant deny this simple fact and straighforward "korokoro" truth nau.

Is it not this same "Jesus was God from eternity but added a human nature in cause of time" that Mary gave birth to?

He never called Mary Mother in the bible
but said who His mother is
Please notice that unlike you, I didnt have the first letter in mother, capitalised or be in upper case letter M.

There is no why
because you are asking an invalid why question

solite3, read and listen to this questions and answers below

Teacher: solite3 is your dad, right?
solite3's Kid: Yes, he is, Teach
Teacher: How old is your father then?
solite3's Kid: He is 6 years
Teacher: What? How is this possible?
solite3's Kid: He became father only when I was born

[\quote] you see, Mary was never called Mother of God in the bible, when did it it start? it must be recent
[quote]Now here are 4 simple questions, I know you easily can answer
1/ When the God, become father, at what time?
2/ When did God, become Son, as in, at what time?
3/ How did God, become Father?
4/ How did God, become Son?

solite3, I think you'll by now have seen the light after reading the above short Q&A and answered the 4 short and simple questions.

1/ God has always being a father from eternity
2/Jesus has always being a Son, Jesus sonship is not by natural birth
3/more like how did God exist?
4/same thing

Gggg102:


the spirit originated from God but your mother gave birth to it along with your body.

your mother gave birth to you body and spirit.

Mary gave birth to Jesus body and spirit even though the spirit did not originate from her.
Mary is the mother of Jesus body and spirit so, she is the mother of God.

spirits do not have mother, even nature would teach you this, if a child does not carry your DNA he or she is not for you, she gave birth to me body soul and spirit and I call her mother doesn't mean she is the mother of my spirit.

How is Mary the mother of God if God didn't originated from her,

biologically a baby is known to originate from the mother, hence it is called her baby.

ichuka:

So your God had a mother?
Who's the father of your God?
You guys still don't understand John1:13who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Christ wasn't born by blood of Mary,either did He share same flesh with Mary nor was He born of the will of a man!!haba!!

did Mary give birth to Jesus flesh and spirit?

solite3:
spirits do not have mother, even nature would teach you this, if a child does not carry your DNA he or she is not for you, she gave birth to me body soul and spirit and I call her mother doesn't mean she is the mother of my spirit.

How is Mary the mother of God f God didn't originate from her,
biologically a baby is known to originate from the mother, hence it is called her baby.

your mother is the person that gave birth to you.
is the woman who gave birth to you body and spirit not the mother of you body and spirit?

mother is different from creator. your mother did not create your spirit but she gave birth to it.

your body and your spirit came into this world through your mother. you mother gave birth to you body soul and spirit.


did your spirit originate from your mother before she gave birth to you?

Mary gave birth to Jesus body and spirit.
no one is saying she originated the spirit. she only gave birth to it. that qualifies her as a mother.

the spirit is eternal.

the spirit added flesh and entered Mary's womb.

Mary gave birth to the child consisting of flesh and spirit.

Mary, therefore, is the mother of the child consisting of flesh and spirit.

Gggg102:



did Mary give birth to Jesus flesh and spirit?

it is not about giving birth but about relationship,
your question should
in what way is Mary the mother of Jesus, biologically or spiritually?
you seem to assume that if Mary gave birth to Jesus, then Mary is his mother whether physically or spiritually, you need to understand that God's nature and relationship is inherently spirirual, do you know that Jesus never called Mary his mother throughout the whole bible? Jesus prefers his spiritual relationship that any biological relationship which only ended after Jesus death.