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David was the grand father Jesus came from the same blood lines of kings, the only one the did not sit as a king because of the sin of jeconaiah so that is why christ is coming back to sit on the throne of David and united the northern kingdom and the southern to be as one Israel

MosesAlex:
According to Solite Jesus disagreed been a Son of David


That is what he understands from the passage above.

MuttleyLaff:
If the baby was conceived with her egg, the baby becomes her own

Jesus never at any time, said
"Mary isnt my mother", nor never said, "she isnt my mother" or say, "that woman isnt my mother"

Almost, if not all, each occasion, where Jesus called Mary and/or other females "Woman"
it is because He is talking to the Eve, the first woman in them



If you had responded to Ubenedictus' post first,
I bet you, Ubenedictus would have responded to yours too
Instead we have, two posts left unanswered because people are pretending not have read them

I m tired of going round in circles.
take your time and read through my entire post
I can't recall where Jesus talked to eve?

Gggg102:
yes he is.

now can you answer my question?

did your mother give birth to flesh only?

yes she gave birth to the flesh only. (pls note that the flesh represent all that makes a normal biological human).

MuttleyLaff:
If the baby was conceived with her egg, the baby becomes her own

Jesus never at any time, said
"Mary isnt my mother", nor never said, "she isnt my mother" or say, "that woman isnt my mother"

Almost, if not all, each occasion, where Jesus called Mary and/or other females "Woman"
it is because He is talking to the Eve, the first woman in them



If you had responded to Ubenedictus' post first,
I bet you, Ubenedictus would have responded to yours too
Instead we have, two posts left unanswered because people are pretending not have read them

the egg is her own, no doubt but she is not the mother of God.

MuttleyLaff:
If the baby was conceived with her egg, the baby becomes her own

Jesus never at any time, said
"Mary isnt my mother", nor never said, "she isnt my mother" or say, "that woman isnt my mother"

Almost, if not all, each occasion, where Jesus called Mary and/or other females "Woman"
it is because He is talking to the Eve, the first woman in them

If you had responded to Ubenedictus' post first,
I bet you, Ubenedictus would have responded to yours too
Instead we have, two posts left unanswered because people are pretending not have read them

solite3:
[s]Im tired of going round in circles.
take your time and read through my entire post[/s]
I can't recall where Jesus talked to eve?

Never mind solite3, you dont understand and that's because the penny hasnt dropped.
You're in good company. Its not only you scratching the head
Budaatum too, scratched the head and that prompted him to make a complaint that has no wings about the comment

budaatum:
This is the sort of made up stuff you say that then tends to ruin your entire position!
There is absolutely nothing in scripture in support of the assertion that Jesus was talking to Eve.

You really dont think Jesus was talking to the Eve, in Mary
and on the other occassions when He addressed others as "Woman", the Eve in them?

budaatum:
And a more plausible explanation is available to boot, the following being one:
Indeed, to modern ears Jesus’ addressing Mary as “woman” sounds a bit cold.
But in Aramaic, the language in which Our Lord spoke, it was actually a term of respect
— a normal, polite form of address, as the New American Bible observes in a footnote to John 2:4.

And here's a link to a pointless ramble on the subject giving a different reason, though I confess the point eludes me.

For and/or to you, Content is King, hence why you gravitate towards links such like those two
but for and/or to me, Context is King
Explanations always have to be done within the context.

budaatum:
When one makes up stuff in an argument,
one should understand that one is equally permitting the other to do likewise.
Then we night as well be arguing whether the pie in the sky is in the north or the south
and whether it is a Nigerian meatpie or a Scottish steak and kidney pie, for all the advancing in understanding it effects.

If you don't know me by now (If you don't know me)
You will never never never know me (No you won't)
If you don't know me by now (You will never never never know me)
You will never never never know me (ooh)

Budaatum. I dont do arguments. LOL.
I am sure you know why I dont do arguments

budaatum:
If I have wrongly accused you of pie in the skying, I would gladly be corrected.
But please, to the point, and without rambling, just so my tiny head can get around it.

Thanks, anticipatingly.

²²Peter took Jesus aside and told him to stop talking like that.
He said, “God would never let this happen to you, Lord!”
²³Jesus turned to Peter and said,
“Satan, get away from me!
You're in my way because you think like everyone else and not like God.”
- Matthew 16:22-23

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"³²Then Jesus explained clearly what He meant.
Peter took Jesus aside and told Him to stop talking like that.
³³But when Jesus turned and saw the disciples, He corrected Peter.
He said to him,
“Satan, get away from me! You are thinking like everyone else and not like God.”"
- Mark 8:32-33

Your KISS wish is my command.

solite3:
Luke 20:41-44 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?
And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

Luke 20:44
indeed is both the Lord and Servant of David. He is Servant, according to the flesh, being a descendant of David; and he is Lord, according to the spirit, being Lord of all. (St. John Chrysostom) --- We hear in our times of a new sect of Pharisees, who neither believed that Christ is the true Son of God, nor that he is God born of a pure virgin. To such we object this question: How is he the Son of David, and his Lord? Not by human, but by divine dominion. (St. Cyril) --- He has two natures: the nature of man, according to which, David was his father; and the nature of God, according to which, he was Son of God, and Lord of David. Thus is the difficulty solved.

blueAgent:
I personally regard this as the  greatest blasphemy in  Catholism to 'call Mary mother of God'
My question is How can a created woman give birth to an uncreated being, is it possible for flesh and blood to give birth to a spirit ,an eternal God that neither has a beginning or end?

It is  a fact that Mary gave birth to Jesus, the son of God but equating that to mean that she gave birth to God is pure blasphemy.
Many Catholics will argue that Jesus is God hence mary been mother of Jesus is also the mother of God. this is pure word play by Satan to decieve and confuse people.yes he is  God's son that also makes him God becos they are one John10:30,like gives birth to like, God is eternal and divine his son is also eternal and divine God is an uncreated being his son is also an uncreated being.God is a Spirit Jesus  is also a spirit john4:24.
  Mary was the mother of incarnate jesus only, that is the son of God manifested in human flesh and not the son in  his pre-incarneted form which is a spirit.
Jesus was existing even before the foundation of the World was laid  john17:24,John17:5 I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the WORLD WAS. it  was through Jesus that the entire Universe was made including Mary.hebrew1:2,Col1:16.

Jesus  re-emphasied his divinity when he rebuked the Jews who claimed he was too young to have seen Abraham(the father of Israel).
All through the bible no where was Mary called the mother of God if it was acceptable why didn't the bible call David the father of God since Jesus was also called the son of David? rather even David himself  called Jesus Lord luke11:43,matthew 22:41,    Catholics attribute too much praise and worship to Mary this is unbiblical Jesus rebuked and discouraged such idea when he was on earth  Luke8:21,Luke2:48 and Luke27:28
All this bible verses show us  that to Worship, pray or exalt Mary to godlike status was forbidden.
Even Mary called Jesus Lord, she is not part of our Salvation but herself requires the blood of Jesus to save her.

Luke 1:38 “And Mary said, “Behold, I am the
servant of the Lord; let it be to me according
to your word.” And the angel departed from
her.”

In Conclusion.
To call Mary mother of God is pure blasphemy it is a plot by Satan to protary God as a mere mortal or created being. God is a spirit an uncreated being who inhabits time & eternity he was existing before the creation of the World and Mary and will still be there when both pass away.
Their is no moral,scriptural,or logical reason to call Mary the Mother of God.
I urge Catholics to desists from this great blasphemy for God will judge every work and vain word we say.Eccl.12:14,Eccl.3:17

Thanks

OP, unfortunately you do not understand the basics of the Christian faith. That God allowed his creation to birth him is the great mystery of our faith. It is one way God shows us His love for us. That Mary is the mother of God does not diminish God but exhults Him.

It's obvious you are a member of one of these one man Church without depth.

solite3:
yes she gave birth to the flesh only. (pls note that the flesh represent all that makes a normal biological human).

so at what point did your spirit join your flesh?

Gggg102:
so at what point did your spirit join your flesh?

A human being = body, soul and Spirit.

lacum:
Luke 20:44
indeed is both the Lord and Servant of David. He is Servant, according to the flesh, being a descendant of David; and he is Lord, according to the spirit, being Lord of all. (St. John Chrysostom) --- We hear in our times of a new sect of Pharisees, who neither believed that Christ is the true Son of God, nor that he is God born of a pure virgin. To such we object this question: How is he the Son of David, and his Lord? Not by human, but by divine dominion. (St. Cyril) --- He has two natures: the nature of man, according to which, David was his father; and the nature of God, according to which, he was Son of God, and Lord of David. Thus is the difficulty solved.

1/Jesus was never called the servant of David

2/ how come you were able to distinguish his divinity from his humanity? I taught catholics said they were indistinct

3/ replace David with mary in what you wrote and understand my point.

Luke 20:44
indeed is both the Lord and Son of mary. He is Son according to the flesh, being a descendant of mary; and he is Lord, according to the spirit, being Lord of all. (St. John Chrysostom) --- We hear in our times of a new sect of Pharisees, who neither believed that Christ is the true Son of God, nor that he is God born of a pure virgin. To such we object this question: How is he the Son of mary, and his Lord? Not by human, but by divine dominion. (St. Cyril) --- He has two natures: the nature of man, according to which, mary was his mother; and the nature of God, according to which, he was Son of God, and Lord of mary. Thus is the difficulty solved.

solite3:
A human being = body, soul and Spirit.

you just said your mother gave birth to flesh alone. i.e your mother did not give birth to a human being.

when did your soul and spirit join your body?

Gggg102:
you just said your mother gave birth to flesh alone. i.e your mother did not give birth to a human being.

when did your soul and spirit join your body?

what kinda silly question is this?

Gggg102:
you just said your mother gave birth to flesh alone. i.e your mother did not give birth to a human being.

when did your soul and spirit join your body?

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solite3:
what kinda silly question is this?

a silly question that you can't answer.

you said :

1. your mother gave birth to your flesh alone.

2. human beings consist of flesh, soul and spirit.


that means

3. your mother did not give birth to a human being. she gave birth to flesh.

so

4. when did your spirit and soul join your flesh to make you a human being after your mother gave birth to your flesh alone?

solite3:
the egg is her own, no doubt but she is not the mother of God.

OK, since you believe in separating the natures in Jesus let me ask you this,


When you adore Jesus do you adore his divine nature alone, since is human nature is different and can't be adored?

Or so you worship the whole Christ?

solite3:
the fact that I quoted the church fathers doesn't mean I believe all that they taught

no you didn't bother to quote the church fathers you just lied about what they taught and when you were caught you denied knowing who they were



I still have this questions for you




so you will agree that God took flesh in Mary's womb, Mary carried God in human flesh for nine months, Mary gave birth to God in human flesh and nurtured him?

But you won't agree that Mary is the mother of God?


If you don't agree with the earlier phrases please tell me the ones you agree with and the ones you disagree with.

Gggg102:
a silly question that you can't answer.

you said :

1. your mother gave birth to your flesh alone.

2. human beings consist of flesh, soul and spirit.


that means

3. your mother did not give birth to a human being. she gave birth to flesh.

so

4. when did your spirit and soul join your flesh to make you a human being after your mother gave birth to your flesh alone?

there are some questions that should be ignored

solite3:
there are some questions that should be ignored

dodging question.


your position is wrong and you know it but hatred will not allow you to admit it.

clefstone:
OP, unfortunately you do not understand the basics of the Christian faith. That God allowed his creation to birth him is the great mystery of our faith. It is one way God shows us His love for us. That Mary is the mother of God does not diminish God but exhults Him.

It's obvious you are a member of one of these one man Church without depth.

Keep decieving yourself.

Your Church has depth in false teachings and occultism.

Jesus told us not to call any man on Earth Father.

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

because it is offensive to God then how much more calling a woman or anybody the mother of God.

blueAgent:
Keep decieving yourself.

Your Church has depth in false teachings and occultism.

Jesus told us not to call any man on Earth Father.

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

because it is offensive to God then how much more calling a woman or anybody the mother of God.

and as usual you guys are just dumb when it comes to interpreting scripture and hypocritical when it comes to using common sense.


The same Bible that says call no one father has several passages on fathers, both biological and spiritual, the same hypocrites who say call no one father call their pastors daddy.

And then go off when you call Mary exactly what she is

Gggg102:
so at what point did your spirit join your flesh?

And this is one question he's not been able to answer. I've been following silently.

Gggg102:
you just said your mother gave birth to flesh alone. i.e your mother did not give birth to a human being.

when did your soul and spirit join your body?

Gggg102:
dodging question.


your position is wrong and you know it but hatred will not allow you to admit it.

Let me help ask the question in a manner that he may understand.

Solite, when the the Divine nature of Jesus join His physical nature?
In other words, when did the hypostatic union of Jesus occur - At the moment of conception? During the formation stages in the womb? At His birth? After His birth?
When, brother, when?

blueAgent:
Keep decieving yourself.

Your Church has depth in false teachings and occultism.

Jesus told us not to call any man on Earth Father.

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

because it is offensive to God then how much more calling a woman or anybody the mother of God.

And when you finally ran of ideas about what to say to defend your poo, you resorted to ad-hominems.
Don't be in a hurry to change gear.
We are still talking about the motherhood of Mary and not who should and shouldn't be called Father.

You may choose to make a thread on that by the way. This breed of Catholics will still come over and school you in your own show.

UbiPetrus:
And when you finally ran of ideas about what to say to defend your poo, you resorted to ad-hominems.
Don't be in a hurry to change gear.
We are still talking about the motherhood of Mary and not who should and shouldn't be called Father.

You may choose to make a thread on that by the way. This breed of Catholics will still come over and school you in your own show.

I laugh at you, You and your Church invent false teachings that defy Bible doctrine and logic and you are boosting of your ingnorance.

I have written more articles about your Church and its false doctrines that i will post soon so just relax and ask God to open your eyes and brain.

Ubenedictus:
and as usual you guys are just dumb when it comes to interpreting scripture and hypocritical when it comes to using common sense.


The same Bible that says call no one father has several passages on fathers, both biological and spiritual, the same hypocrites who say call no one father call their pastors daddy.

And then go off when you call Mary exactly what she is

So the scripture told us that we should call Mary Mother of God?

solite3:
yes Jesus was less than his father as a man.
note Jesus is both God and man
John 1:1 states that Jesus was God
from the Bible we learnt that God cannot change
when Jesus became man he became part of creation himself but at the same thing outside creation, he became a bridge.
the divine nature of Christ is distinct from his humanity, they are separate but not mixed.
rcc claim that Mary was both the mother of the humanity of Christ and his divinity is false.

the bible is filled with the differences between Christ as a man and Christ as God.
Christ as a man had a beginning, he had a mother, did not even know the time of his coming, expressed fear of death lived like a normal human except he had no sin.
christ as God had no beginning or ending nor mother or father, cannot die is beyond time and space.

people who teach that mary is the mother of God are denying the distinction of the humanity of christ from his divinity by lumping it to together.
the hypostatic union teaches that christ divinity and his humanity are separate and distinct but united in one person.

what this means is that although they are different but christ function as man and God at this same time.
for example when the man christ was a baby, God was not a baby.
when christ slept
yet God does not slumber or sleep.

Even before his incarnation as a man Jesus was not equal with his father.
In that verse he said he was going to the father(going back to Heaven) and that his father was greater than him. which means even in Heaven which Jesus was refering to that he was going to.


Have you asked yourself why the Bible calls Jesus the begotten son of God?
can God the father be begotten and if from who?

Pls read this bible verse from the beginning to the end and find out who wrote it and what he meant.
Proverbs 8:1-end.

blueAgent:
I laugh at you, You and your Church invent false teachings that defy Bible doctrine and logic and you are boosting of your ingnorance.

I have written more articles about your Church and its false doctrines that i will post soon so just relax and ask God to open your eyes and brain.

Please, post the falsehood of an article. Again, you'll be schooled in your own show.
A blind fellow calls another ignorant. LOL

blueAgent:
Even before his incarnation as a man Jesus was not equal with his father.
In that verse he said he was going to the father(going back to Heaven) and that his father was greater than him. which means even in Heaven which Jesus was refering to that he was going to.


Have you asked yourself why the Bible calls Jesus the begotten son of God?
can God the father be begotten and if from who?

Pls read this bible verse from the beginning to the end and find out who wrote it and what he meant.
Proverbs 8:1-end.

plus read John 1:1

Gggg102:
dodging question.


your position is wrong and you know it but hatred will not allow you to admit it.

dodging what?
your question is silly

Ubenedictus:
no you didn't bother to quote the church fathers you just lied about what they taught and when you were caught you denied knowing who they were



I still have this questions for you




so you will agree that God took flesh in Mary's womb, Mary carried God in human flesh for nine months, Mary gave birth to God in human flesh and nurtured him?

But you won't agree that Mary is the mother of God?


If you don't agree with the earlier phrases please tell me the ones you agree with and the ones you disagree with.

a woman is the mother of that which is formed in her womb.
tell me was God formed in Mary's womb?

Wow! Where have I been. Took time to read through the whole thread, read through the wheat and weed alike. If I may ask,Muttleylaff, has this always been your belief on this topic?