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when I said women have many powers that they don't know I meant that in the present world we live in even if a woman insults ur generation, and then slaps u . if u dear lay ur hands on her everybody would go against u. in marriage the society (both men and women) expect a man to always provide monetary needs for his children and wife. and many more. ...... so now since feminism is all about seeing men as equal with women. then women should also be treated like men in every single aspect of life. which means if a woman slaps or insults a guy, a guy can react in whatever way without being crucified for it. and if a woman commits a crime she should be given the exacting the same treatment as they would do to a man.women should go to the war front just as much as men do. since the time of Jacob if a woman lies that u tried to rape her everybody go against u because she is female, so wat I wanna say is that if a woman accuses a man of rape or anything nobody should be quick to crucify him because she is female. ans many many more. .....

All talks not fits?
Damn it! Where are the ladies? This thread is too peaceful for my liking.

tintingz:
In developed countries like America and Europe women's rights is like 80% achieved, in Asia and Africa women's rights is like 40%, imagine in 21 century Saudi Arabia are just giving women approval to drive cars, in the northern Nigeria women are subjected to men like slaves, so there are still work to be done.

A lot of women are aware of feminism but choose to be ignorant of it ideology, they are indoctrinated to believe they are lesser, they are indoctrinated to believe feminism is of the devil's work. This is how people are indoctrinated to believe other religions are evil and will go to hell.


Any belief that promote oppression of a fellow human is wrong.

What are the difference?



You're still getting feminism wrong, it's not a gender competition thing, it's for equal rights for the sexes, we have feminist who are married and happy, I still don't get your point?

Is this part of the ideology of Feminism you quoted in your previous post?

Is Black power movement ideology a racist?

Feminism is a platform for women right activists just like Black power movement is for Blacks right activists.

don't get me wrong everyone knows oppression for a fellow human is wrong , the north of Nigeria is filled with all such of unbelievable things and yes there's still work to be done , especially with the fact that they follow Sharia law which is different from the south




at first feminism started out as equal rights but they got that, ud think they'll be done? , no!
now they challenge everything ,

opening the door for a lady is wrong

Hollywood is a sexist industry that promotes violent movies for guys and romantic comedies for women



Barbie is a stereotypical description of a lady and leads to low self-esteem and should be destroyed

games and movies describing a damsel in distress should not exist

men should be allowed to wear pink and cry

kneeling to propose to a lady is wrong (I've heard some guys say this)

clothes shouldnt be gender specific , men should wear skirts

men taking off their shirts should be seen as indecency just at it would be for women


I've heard that during a Yoruba traditional wedding a when a lady is supposed to kneel and give her husband a drink she refused cause she said it's oppression


people are going through all sorts of stuff to get true equality , some people call it extreme feminism , but I laugh ,u can't say it's extreme ,but they right , it is true equality

but u see these are killers of traditions and cultures

divorce rates are over 50% in this highly feminised countries , of course it's not the only factor but a contributor

being stereotypical is now a crime

IS THIS THE WORLD U WANT?!



I believe no one should be oppressed but feminism is not by force , 100% equality is impossible

so what I'm a stereotypical egoistic male that wants a nice humble wife

so what a lady kneels during a wedding as custom

so what I want to be the head of the family and be treated in charge

so what I love violence and believe men don't cry (it's I'm the freaking bro code)

so what a lady wants to be showered with gifts by a man and not want to split the bills when the man takes them out on a date

so what we decide to be stereotypical about what a man and a woman should do about certain things (especially in relationships)



overall what I'm saying is CHOICE

u asked what is the difference between FEMINISM and WOMEN EMPOWERMENT


"Feminism" says everything MUST be equal , no question, all forms of beliefs and thinking that comes from stereotypical gender roles must not exist and when we say all we mean all , not some , not just the ones we dislike , even the ones we like,even the ones that benefit us,even the ones that seems appropriate, ALL!


while women empowerment involves freeing women from both financial and mental shackles giving them the power to make their lives better it says u can be whatever u want



so overall u don't need to be a feminist to be free or anti-oppression

u telling me my mum that believes in patriarchy is in bondage , who cares if a woman feels that in a marriage a man is above her .


Note in Christianity (I'm not a Muslim I don't know what they say) a man is only put as the head in marriages , so one aboki across the street is not above u . And when it says the head it doesn't mean an oppressor and an oppressed , the man is supposed to be the symbol of strength and protection , the fighter , the provider and it's to maintain order . it's no rocket science that men are stronger than women , every second we hear about a woman empowerment program , even in the almighty America , but do u hear once of a men empowerment program? because men are already built for this stuff

marvinsync:
don't get me wrong everyone knows oppression for a fellow human is wrong , the north of Nigeria is filled with all such of unbelievable things and yes there's still work to be done , especially with the fact that they follow Sharia law which is different from the south


at first feminism started out as equal rights but they got that, ud think they'll be done? , no!
now they challenge everything ,

opening the door for a lady is wrong

Hollywood is a sexist industry that promotes violent movies for guys and romantic comedies for women



Barbie is a stereotypical description of a lady and leads to low self-esteem and should be destroyed

games and movies describing a damsel in distress should not exist

men should be allowed to wear pink and cry

kneeling to propose to a lady is wrong (I've heard some guys say this)

clothes shouldnt be gender specific , men should wear skirts

men taking off their shirts should be seen as indecency just at it would be for women

These are all conspiracy.

I've heard that during a Yoruba traditional wedding a when a lady is supposed to kneel and give her husband a drink she refused cause she said it's oppression

Why must a woman kneel to another fellow human because of some ceremonial culture? Why can't men kneel down?

It is a thing of choice, if she doesn't like kneeling down, good for her, if a man doesn't like kneeling down good for him, is it that the kneeling down is definition of respect or love?

people are going through all sorts of stuff to get true equality , some people call it extreme feminism , but I laugh ,u can't say it's extreme ,but they right , it is true equality

There are extreme feminist, in most group there's always extremists.

but u see these are killers of traditions and cultures

There are traditions and cultures that are irrelevant in this our era, most of this traditions were practiced out of ignorance, greed, power etc.

In igbo culture or so, when a woman husband dies, there are rituals she will go through like cutting her hair, drink the water used to bath the corpse, does this sound reasonable, in this our civilized era?

divorce rates are over 50% in this highly feminised countries , of course it's not the only factor but a contributor

Evidence please.

being stereotypical is now a crime

IS THIS THE WORLD U WANT?!



I believe no one should be oppressed but feminism is not by force , 100% equality is impossible

Ofcos there's no 100% equality, it's impossible like you said, but oppression is the problem.

so what I'm a stereotypical egoistic male that wants a nice humble wife

so what a lady kneels during a wedding as custom

so what I want to be the head of the family and be treated in charge

so what I love violence and believe men don't cry (it's I'm the freaking bro code)

so what a lady wants to be showered with gifts by a man and not want to split the bills when the man takes them out on a date

so what we decide to be stereotypical about what a man and a woman should do about certain things (especially in relationships)



overall what I'm saying is CHOICE

Ofcos it's your choice, even if you like slapping women, but know that your choice has limit.

u asked what is the difference between FEMINISM and WOMEN EMPOWERMENT


"Feminism" says everything MUST be equal , no question, all forms of beliefs and thinking that comes from stereotypical gender roles must not exist and when we say all we mean all , not some , not just the ones we dislike , even the ones we like,even the ones that benefit us,even the ones that seems appropriate, ALL!


while women empowerment involves freeing women from both financial and mental shackles giving them the power to make their lives better it says u can be whatever u want

Lol, where did you get this your feminism ideology from?

so overall u don't need to be a feminist to be free or anti-oppression

Ofcos yes.

u telling me my mum that believes in patriarchy is in bondage , who cares if a woman feels that in a marriage a man is above her .

I never said that about your mom.
It's a belief, people believe in different things, people are indoctrinated with beliefs, social myths.

Note in Christianity (I'm not a Muslim I don't know what they say) a man is only put as the head in marriages , so one aboki across the street is not above u . And when it says the head it doesn't mean an oppressor and an oppressed , the man is supposed to be the symbol of strength and protection , the fighter , the provider and it's to maintain order . it's no rocket science that men are stronger than women , every second we hear about a woman empowerment program , even in the almighty America , but do u hear once of a men empowerment program? because men are already built for this stuff

It's not about men being the head, it's about how you treat your fellow human.

Ok, what if a woman is the breadwinner of a family, fighter, protector, is she the head?

tintingz:
These are all conspiracy.


Why must a woman kneel to another fellow human because of some ceremonial culture? Why can't men kneel down?

It is a thing of choice, if she doesn't like kneeling down, good for her, if a man doesn't like kneeling down good for him, is it that the kneeling down is definition of respect or love?


There are extreme feminist, in most group there's always extremists.

There are traditions and cultures that are irrelevant in this our era, most of this traditions were practiced out of ignorance, greed, power etc.

In igbo culture or so, when a woman husband dies, there are rituals she will go through like cutting her hair, drink the water used to bath the corpse, does this sound reasonable, in this our civilized era?

Evidence please.

Ofcos there's no 100% equality, it's impossible like you said, but oppression is the problem.

Ofcos it's your choice, even if you like slapping women, but know that your choice has limit.

Lol, where did you get this your feminism ideology from?


Ofcos yes.

I never said that about your mom.
It's a belief, people believe in different things, people are indoctrinated with beliefs, social myths.


It's not about men being the head, it's about how you treat your fellow human.

Ok, what if a woman is the breadwinner of a family, fighter, protector, is she the head?

yes, she is the head

Eyeness:
yes, she is the head

Lol, some people will still say the man is the head, even when he's doing nothing.

tintingz:
Lol, some people will still say the man is the head, even when he's doing nothing.

dont mind those brainwashed individuals

Eyeness:
dont mind those brainwashed individuals

Lol

tintingz:
These are all conspiracy.


Why must a woman kneel to another fellow human because of some ceremonial culture? Why can't men kneel down?

It is a thing of choice, if she doesn't like kneeling down, good for her, if a man doesn't like kneeling down good for him, is it that the kneeling down is definition of respect or love?


There are extreme feminist, in most group there's always extremists.

There are traditions and cultures that are irrelevant in this our era, most of this traditions were practiced out of ignorance, greed, power etc.

In igbo culture or so, when a woman husband dies, there are rituals she will go through like cutting her hair, drink the water used to bath the corpse, does this sound reasonable, in this our civilized era?

Evidence please.

Ofcos there's no 100% equality, it's impossible like you said, but oppression is the problem.

Ofcos it's your choice, even if you like slapping women, but know that your choice has limit.

Lol, where did you get this your feminism ideology from?


Ofcos yes.

I never said that about your mom.
It's a belief, people believe in different things, people are indoctrinated with beliefs, social myths.


It's not about men being the head, it's about how you treat your fellow human.

Ok, what if a woman is the breadwinner of a family, fighter, protector, is she the head?

now we both agree that oppression is wrong
but where the line is I believe Feminism is not necessary

don't get me wrong the ideals Feminism supposedly stands for , like liberty , fairness and such I believe in that like a lot of other people, but where the issue comes in is why Feminism?


Feminism means " A social theory or political movementarguing that legal and social restrictions on females must be removed in order to bring aboutequality of both sexes in all aspects of public and private life."

or "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes."

so u see Feminism is saying the way to achieve equality is just to focus on liberating women alone that is, to achieve equality between both sexes u focus on only one and u achieve balance between the two
I used to think Feminism band egalitarian means the same thing but it seems not .

that why I said Feminism is a woman's thing hence the sexist name Feminism


now I listed some examples u hilariously called conspiracies but the truth is I have heard them all and more , those were only the ones I could say on the spot .

in the UK their queen and prime minister are women , women even have more rights than men , so Feminists are happy? all is well? , hell naw, they play the victims any chance they get , there's always something to complain about , something is always sexist and wrong .

the other day chimmanda was interviewing Hilary Clinton and she said she was upset and a bit disappointed that in her (Clinton) autobiography she said that her greatest achievement was being a mother and a wife (can't remember if this was the exact words but something like this)

another time she also said that a guy opening a door for a lady is chauvinistic and disliked by her
so simple things are not issues

u say that's extreme Feminism , I laugh , extreme to who? where's the line that says whats extreme and what's not?

even if it's extreme Feminism it's still Feminism !

if I meet a lady how do I know whether she is
an extreme Feminist
a true Feminist
a false feminist
a radical feminist
a difference feminist ( the ones that believe men and women are different and equality is not possible or necessary)

the label "Feminism" is not needed is not necessary , it brings a lot of conspiracies , bastardising , man-hating and political commotion. In fact it's to the point that when I hear a lady say she's a Feminist I sub-consciously just get a bad vibe iono

so overall when someone says they are Feminists it means they are full of drama and u must be ready so spend a lot of time arguing with them about something

marvinsync:
now we both agree that oppression is wrong
but where the line is I believe Feminism is not necessary

don't get me wrong the ideals Feminism supposedly stands for , like liberty , fairness and such I believe in that like a lot of other people, but where the issue comes in is why Feminism?


Feminism means " A social theory or political movementarguing that legal and social restrictions on females must be removed in order to bring aboutequality of both sexes in all aspects of public and private life."

or "the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes."

so u see Feminism is saying the way to achieve equality is just to focus on liberating women alone that is, to achieve equality between both sexes u focus on only one and u achieve balance between the two
I used to think Feminism band egalitarian means the same thing but it seems not .

that why I said Feminism is a woman's thing hence the sexist name Feminism


now I listed some examples u hilariously called conspiracies but the truth is I have heard them all and more , those were only the ones I could say on the spot .

in the UK their queen and prime minister are women , women even have more rights than men , so Feminists are happy? all is well? , hell naw, they play the victims any chance they get , there's always something to complain about , something is always sexist and wrong .

the other day chimmanda was interviewing Hilary Clinton and she said she was upset and a bit disappointed that in her (Clinton) autobiography she said that her greatest achievement was being a mother and a wife (can't remember if this was the exact words but something like this)

another time she also said that a guy opening a door for a lady is chauvinistic and disliked by her
so simple things are not issues

u say that's extreme Feminism , I laugh , extreme to who? where's the line that says whats extreme and what's not?

even if it's extreme Feminism it's still Feminism !

if I meet a lady how do I know whether she is
an extreme Feminist
a true Feminist
a false feminist
a radical feminist
a difference feminist ( the ones that believe men and women are different and equality is not possible or necessary)

the label "Feminism" is not needed is not necessary , it brings a lot of conspiracies , bastardising , man-hating and political commotion. In fact it's to the point that when I hear a lady say she's a Feminist I sub-consciously just get a bad vibe iono

so overall when someone says they are Feminists it means they are full of drama and u must be ready so spend a lot of time arguing with them about something

You're generalizing and it's a fallacy.

It's like saying all Muslims are terrorists or all christians are terrorists because of some bad action of some people.

tintingz:
You're generalizing and it's a fallacy.

It's like saying all Muslims are terrorists or all christians are terrorists because of some bad action of some people.

I'm not
I'm saying u can't know what is what , there is no clear definition of anything , read Feminism on Wikipedia and see just how deep and complex it is , u say it's about equality, but equality for what? Politics , rights , personal , relationships?
if u how do u define "equal"
what's "equal" really about
now this is more than just oppression , it's passed that

so much drama and politics

all this is unnecessary and like I said
Feminism is one sided , they don't advocate for men's right ,I've given u dictionary and Google definition , they say the same thing , they believe that to balance things up just fight for women

marvinsync:
I'm not
I'm saying u can't know what is what , there is no clear definition of anything , read Feminism on Wikipedia and see just how deep and complex it is , u say it's about equality, but equality for what? Politics , rights , personal , relationships?
if u how do u define "equal"
what's "equal" really about
now this is more than just oppression , it's passed that

so much drama and politics

all this is unnecessary and like I said
Feminism is one sided , they don't advocate for men's right ,I've given u dictionary and Google definition , they say the same thing , they believe that to balance things up just fight for women

You quoted what feminism is and again you're contradicting what feminism is.

Feminism is women platform, an activist group for women equal right (in politics, society, work, education etc) that's all about feminism ideology, every other ideology like men-hating, violence, oppression is additional and not part of feminism.

There are stages or wave of Feminism ideology depending on the era of the movement e.g Radical Feminism movement in 1960s.

tintingz:
You quoted what feminism is and again you're contradicting what feminism is.

Feminism is women platform, an activist group for women equal right (in politics, society, work, education etc) that's all about feminism ideology, every other ideology like men-hating, violence, oppression is additional and not part of feminism.

There are stages or wave of Feminism ideology depending on the era of the movement e.g Radical Feminism movement in 1960s.

madam does feminism include women been treated like men if they commit any crime? does feminism involves when a woman throws a punch at a man a man can retaliate just the way he would retaliate to a man? does feminism includes women not dependent on men for anything? does feminism include women doing as much work as men do without complaining? answer me so I can knw more about feminism

tintingz:
You quoted what feminism is and again you're contradicting what feminism is.

Feminism is women platform, an activist group for women equal right (in politics, society, work, education etc) that's all about feminism ideology, every other ideology like men-hating, violence, oppression is additional and not part of feminism.

There are stages or wave of Feminism ideology depending on the era of the movement e.g Radical Feminism movement in 1960s.

okay uve just Said Feminism is all about women right but what about men's right? or men don't have issues?
I'm saying Feminism doesn't cover that , Feminism says only campaigning for women's right can get u equality in other words saying men don't also face societal oppression or need help


now men-hating , doesn't always come in the form of women shouting "men are scum " , "men are all the same"
oh no there are subtle ways it is shown, Feminism is a fight of the oppressed (women) Vs the oppressors (men). when talking about ur oppressors u won't always sound nice would u?

Iike I said Feminism is really deep and u won't believe the things in our day to day lives that are "sexist" and anti-ferministic ,even the supposedly harmless things

so why is all this drama necessary?


and I don't think u read all Ive been saying ( i don't blame u tho I have a PhD in writing long epistles ) cause there are some things I said u haven't responded to

michaelandre:
madam does feminism include women been treated like men if they commit any crime? does feminism involves when a woman throws a punch at a man a man can retaliate just the way he would retaliate to a man? does feminism includes women not dependent on men for anything? does feminism include women doing as much work as men do without complaining? answer me so I can knw more about feminism

I'm a guy not a madam.

I'm not a feminist, I don't know every activity feminist are involve in, likewise you don't know every activity of feminist except you want to tell me you follow feminists everywhere they go?

marvinsync:
okay uve just Said Feminism is all about women right but what about men's right? or men don't have issues?
I'm saying Feminism doesn't cover that , Feminism says only campaigning for women's right can get u equality in other words saying men don't also face societal oppression or need help


now men-hating , doesn't always come in the form of women shouting "men are scum " , "men are all the same"
oh no there are subtle ways it is shown, Feminism is a fight of the oppressed (women) Vs the oppressors (men). when talking about ur oppressors u won't always sound nice would u?

Iike I said Feminism is really deep and u won't believe the things in our day to day lives that are "sexist" and anti-ferministic ,even the supposedly harmless things

so why is all this drama necessary?


and I don't think u read all Ive been saying ( i don't blame u tho I have a PhD in writing long epistles ) cause there are some things I said u have responded to

If men are oppressed by women they should also create thier own group for equal right, no one is stopping them.

But from history women have faced oppressions from patriarch men, that prompted the feminism movement which is understandable.

tintingz:
If men are oppressed by women they should also create thier own group for equal right, no one is stopping them.

But from history women have faced oppressions from patriarch men, that prompted the feminism movement which is understandable.

oh so now I get u


but at least u know Feminism is a one-sided selfish ideal , thats why a lot of men dislike it

a lot of us guy have no issues with women rights especially us born in this century or late 90s but we see Feminism doesn't even care about us (men) and always seems to care about painting men as oppressors this is why people associate Feminism with men-hating or in other words anti-men (note I'm not saying it's men hating I'm just saying why it seems that way)


that's why the tag Feminism will be hated

so if someone really cares about equality and both men and women's right they should be an Egalitarian

marvinsync:
oh so now I get u


but at least u know Feminism is a one-sided selfish ideal , thats why a lot of men dislike it

a lot of us guy have no issues with women rights especially us born in this century or late 90s but we see Feminism doesn't even care about us (men) and always seems to care about painting men as oppressors this is why people associate Feminism with men-hating or in other words anti-men (note I'm not saying it's men hating I'm just saying why it seems that way)


that's why the tag Feminism will be hated

so if someone really cares about equality and both men and women's right they should be an Egalitarian

Okay

tintingz:
I'm a guy not a madam.

I'm not a feminist, I don't know every activity feminist are involve in, likewise you don't know every activity of feminist except you want to tell me you follow feminists everywhere they go?

since u don't know much about feminism I think is better to keep shut and allow those that knw much speak

michaelandre:
since u don't know much about feminism I think is better to keep shut and allow those that knw much speak

I know about feminism but I don't involve in thier activities. Read between the lines.