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| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by Sheunma: 8:15am On Nov 04, 2018 |
If you do not pay your tithe you will go to hell - Pastor Adeboye |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by KelB(m): 8:15am On Nov 04, 2018 |
It's far better giving alms than paying tithe |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by ICEKIZZY: 8:16am On Nov 04, 2018 |
tripplephi: |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by mcemmy0z: 8:16am On Nov 04, 2018 |
paxonel:Let church decide that 1 Like |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by adebayo3449(m): 8:16am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Well, as a Muslim I only know about zakat (giving to the poor, which is one of the Pilar of Islam) tithes, I don't know anything about that. 3 Likes |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by PaChukwudi44(m): 8:16am On Nov 04, 2018 |
tripplephi: You wrote aa whole lot of rubbish without a single biblical quotation because the nonsense you just spewed has no biblical basis. you are propagating the doctrine of demons 8 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by ICEKIZZY: 8:17am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Oga u av nt said anytin yet ooooo U jst dy condemn wifout any knowledge or wisdom |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by ayodeleamg(m): 8:17am On Nov 04, 2018 |
tripplephi:One of the big thieves spotted �� By their words we shall know them Money making organisation hiding under the umbrella of religion 8 Likes |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by amaifehenry(m): 8:17am On Nov 04, 2018 |
If u take away someone's lack, God will do same for u. It mustn't be in church. Don't need to give Bible references to buttress my point. Even Christ asked us to go and mend our ways with our neighbors before coming to the alter. Besides love your neighbor ( which involves your case) is the greatest commandment 2 Likes |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by femy080: 8:18am On Nov 04, 2018 |
izzy4shizzy: tithe are to be paid to the church but offering can be given out. |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by missjane: 8:18am On Nov 04, 2018 |
There are two things pple need to understand about tithes..Tithes are brought into A STOREHOUSE..mustn't necessarily be your church. Two is that tithe payment IS NOT compulsory. If u see the needy n are moved to help with ur tithe by all means go ahead..you will have a huge reward for it here on earth n after.but don't call it tithe as it's not tithe. |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by Eberex(m): 8:18am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Every time its always this same question 2 Likes |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by HajimeSaito(m): 8:18am On Nov 04, 2018 |
No, it wouldn't be a tithe. It would be charity. If I can do both, I will. But if I only have enough to fulfill one duty, I'll give to charity. 5 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by stagger: 8:18am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Tithe is paid to the church where you receive spiritual instruction. It is not paid to the needy and certainly not paid to a pastor or man of God. Giving is a 5-fold ministry. a) Tithe - 10% of your increase or income. From your 90%, you can then give as follows: - to your parents - to a man of God (prophetic offering), which ideally is given once in a while. - to the poor and needy. - chruch offering during services. Of these last 4, giving to your parents in my mind should carry more weight than giving to the poor or prophetic offering. Paying your tithe comes with a blessing only God can give, which is protection of your finances (rebuking the devourer). A poor man cannot offer that. It is better you ask God for yourself and receive an answer in that regard. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by babz11(m): 8:18am On Nov 04, 2018 |
The op just ansked a direct question that need a direct answer, stop saying stories just give him the answer he need |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by PaChukwudi44(m): 8:19am On Nov 04, 2018 |
mcemmy0z:Church decide what? So it is no longer what the Scriptures says that matters |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by Zinny25(f): 8:19am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Tithe is different from offerings and donations. If you know the meaning of Tithe then you will understand where it ought to be paid. Paying Tithe doesn't stop you from helping the needy around you... You should read your Bible and tell the Holy Spirit to make you understand 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by Nobody: 8:19am On Nov 04, 2018 |
izzy4shizzy: Irrespective of opinions, the bible clearly states the purpose of tithe, which is a portion for the Levite's, must be taken to the storehouse (church) for distritribution amongst the priests. Tithe is different from alms giving, you can't substitute the two. Pay your tithe to a living church and give what you can to the patient. God bless 3 Likes |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by ayusco85(m): 8:20am On Nov 04, 2018 |
tripplephi: Brainwashed Christian. No be only government and levy. Na APC and Leviticus. You need to really study the bible to knw what Christianity is about. There is nothing like paying of tithe in Christianity. Those that paid in d old testament weren't Christians but Jews. Jesus nor his disciples didn't give an order or guideline on tithe instead Jesus emphasized abt giving to the needy and the poor if u truly want to give God money. Shallom 5 Likes |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by missjane: 8:21am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Sheunma: One of the many fallacies of false cause. How do u expect pple to come to church with this sort of erroneous teaching? 1 Like |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by amaifehenry(m): 8:21am On Nov 04, 2018 |
paxonel: Simple 2 Likes |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by ChrisStokes27: 8:24am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Tithing – The GREAT Commission My journey with tithing Growing up we were pretty poor. In fact, we made the poor kids look pretty wealthy sometimes. My dad was a pastor and he and my mum were firm believers of tithing. In fact my dad was so serious he once tithed the value of a book of stamps somebody gave him! Yet, that didn’t change the fact that we were poor. Because of this, when I started earning money I had no desire to give 10% of my hard-earned cash to the church. Especially since I felt most of the money was poorly distributed. (I was a pastor’s kid and my family certainly didn’t ever see much of this cash. Nor did the poor, sick or broken… it all went to bills and the costs of running endless meetings.) Unfortunately, as time went on I found myself in some debt. I was finding too often there was too much month left after my paycheck had run out.! Now – truth be told – most of this was because I was never properly taught to budget. If you find yourself in this situation I’d honestly just recommend you read Dave Ramsey’s book “Total Money Makeover” Around this time in my life I was deeply impacted by quite a few prominent Christian leaders. All of them it seemed were teaching that I should be tithing. In fact, the person I most looked up to at the time told me that tithing was my rent to live on God’s Earth. If I wasn’t paying God my rent, I was robbing God, I would be cursed and what’s more the enemy would have every right to attack me. Well a strong message like that from people you really respect and look up to will do the trick. I started tithing immediately. I put all my faith in God blessing me if I would tithe and you know what… he did. The problem I had however was I was constantly feeling guilty if I was struggling to pay my tithe. Or I’d start second guessing myself. Did I give enough? Do I give pre or post-tax? What about offerings? How much on top of the tithe should I give? Do I tithe my student loans? It took me many years to discover I wasn’t alone in this. Not only that, I’m embarrassed to admit, it took me many years to read what the Bible has to say about this topic for myself. I took people’s teaching for granted for far too long! So without further ado I want to present to you what the Bible has to say about the tithe. Or as I like to call it “the great commission” – because lets face it, getting 10% of everything your congregation earns isn’t half bad! Disclaimer I’m well aware that many people will struggle to receive this message. For that I am genuinely sorry. I’ve done all I can to keep it simple, to the point and stand on nothing but the Bible. We all have our own experiences with tithing. I’m not saying it doesn’t work. God’s law when done perfectly always works. I’m just wanting to challenge should we be teaching tithing the way we are today. I know this especially makes pastors nervous, I know – I meet with hundreds of pastors a year in person and we often talk about this matter. All I ask is that you consider what I’m saying and go to God with any questions it brings you to about your church. I can’t speak into your personal situation but all I would ask is you read this article with an open mind. Ask the Lord to speak to you about this topic anew. I fully believe that the truths in this article will radically bless you and catapult you into a new degree of freedom in Christ to give generously. Before the law Abram: “Now when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his three hundred and eighteen trained servants who were born in his own house, and went in pursuit as far as Dan. 15 He divided his forces against them by night, and he and his servants attacked them and pursued them as far as Hobah, which is north of Damascus. 16 So he brought back all the goods, and also brought back his brother Lot and his goods, as well as the women and the people. 17 And the king of Sodom went out to meet him at the Valley of Shaveh (that is, the King’s Valley), after his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer and the kings who were with him. 18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High. 19 And he blessed him and said: “Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth; 20 And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” And he gave him a tithe of all. 21 Now the king of Sodom said to Abram, “Give me the persons, and take the goods for yourself.” 22 But Abram said to the king of Sodom, “I have raised my hand to the Lord, God Most High, the Possessor of heaven and earth, 23 that I will take nothing, from a thread to a sandal strap, and that I will not take anything that is yours, lest you should say, ‘I have made Abram rich’ — 24 except only what the young men have eaten, and the portion of the men who went with me: Aner, Eshcol, and Mamre; let them take their portion.” Gen 14:14-24 Things to ponder… 1) It seems Abram gave of his own volition not according to any rules. God never asked him in the scriptures to give anything. 2) Abram never gave from his own wealth. It was from the spoils of war he gave. He literally killed a bunch of people and then gave their stuff away. 3) Yes he gave 10% to Melchizedek. However, he also gave 90% to the king of Sodom. So if you want to tithe like Abraham that’s 10% in the church and 90% to the local strip club or something. (I’m not honestly sure what the direct parallel would be for a modern-day king of Sodom.) 4) The Bible records this happening once. There is no evidence he gave ever again in his life. Given he lived 175 years that’s not all that impressive! Abram tithed before the law. But he gave the other 90% to the most evil man on the planet. CLICK TO TWEET Jacob: “Then Jacob made a vow, saying, “If God will be with me, and keep me in this way that I am going, and give me bread to eat and clothing to put on, 21 so that I come back to my father’s house in peace, then the Lord shall be my God. 22 And this stone which I have set as a pillar shall be God’s house, and of all that You give me I will surely give a tenth to You.” Gen 28:20-22 Things to ponder… 1) Notice that Jacob never once said he would give to receive. It was simply a gift back to God to thank him for what he received. A sacrificial thank you. This is how we should give, not greedily to get more but generously and sacrificially because we have received an abundance from God. 2) It was food and clothing he was receiving, this was produce not money. 3) Who did he give to? There were no priests and God doesn’t have a bank account to setup a monthly transfer. He presumable gave in burnt offerings or to the poor. We simply don’t know. In the New Covenant First things first we must acknowledge that Christians are NOT under the law. If you are confused by this I highly recommend you read this article: The Role Of The Law In The New Covenant Or, even better, watch this video if you have time: 4 Likes |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by Barcelona98: 8:24am On Nov 04, 2018 |
megacruise:Oga, in the last day more references will be made on how much you helped the needy. I rather share my tithe to the needy and give offerings and donations to the church at will. Nobody dares instill a fictional fear in me with God's name just because he wants to enrich his ministry (his pocket). Because that's what they do. They'll put fear in you by saying all sorts of things that God will not do. God has been blessing me and I offer him my self through my actions, words and thoughts towards my fellow human as a sign of thanks and appreciation not through tithe. You don't buy blessings from God, you deserve it as his child. Just pray and serve him not tithe (bribe) Him as some pastor will twist the bible towards this direction. 3 Likes |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by iwatchandlisten(m): 8:25am On Nov 04, 2018 |
The answer to your query is NO. Christ owns the CHURCH so your tithe belong to God. What the leaders of your congregation does with it, by God's inspiration, is between them and God. Those who genuinely submit their tithes because they love God, joyfully also do charities without complaining. They are not mutually exclusive. NB - 10% Tithe is the LAW, but those operating on GRACE, normally submit more than 10% of their income. This is a demonstration that you're operating above the law. May God give you wisdom and courage to follow His WORD. 3 Likes |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by daviskingsley(m): 8:25am On Nov 04, 2018 |
And you believe him, who made him d judge to tell who ends in hell fire and who doesn't....? It's only in Nigeria we see such pastor. LandlordHopeful: 1 Like |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by Topmaike007(m): 8:26am On Nov 04, 2018 |
tripplephi:I have learned something new today |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by Hotfreezer: 8:26am On Nov 04, 2018 |
mcemmy0z: God decides that, not the church. Get that into your head. |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by oyejideogunjumo: 8:26am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Read Mal 3 vs 8 It is meant for the church but for purpose? That MEAT ma be in my house. What is meat here,food(in Yoruba) purpose of food is to satisfy the hungered. Your tithe temains tithe and acceptable if given to ur church,another man of God,the needy,the poor,the destitudes,to pay hospital bills of others,to help pay school fees of a Poor's child. Give it to save a life please 1 Like |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by ChrisStokes27: 8:26am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Christians Are Not Under The Law If you don’t have time for either of these? Here are just a few scripture to help you understand just how clear the scriptures are that as Christians we are not under the law. (I know I’ve posted this list a few other places on the blog so if you’ve read this feel free to skip over this section.) The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10) The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20) If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14) The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15) The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20) Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14) Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6) The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12) The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10) The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13) The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3) The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56) The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7) The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9) The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10) The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11) Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15) The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16) Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19) The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21) To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1) The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10) The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12) The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13) The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16) If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21) The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23) The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24) Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15) Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-  The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1: (see next verse for the context)It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10) The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19) God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7- It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13) It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1) If you must live under the law OK, now that we’ve established that, everything I’m going to say next should be irrelevant to you. Yet, I know many will still want to desperately argue for the tithe. So here we go. Here are the scriptures in Leviticus and Deuteronomy referencing the tithe: “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord’s. It is holy to the Lord. If a man wants at all to redeem any of his tithes, he shall add one-fifth to it. And concerning the tithe of the herd or the flock, of whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the Lord. He shall not inquire whether it is good or bad, nor shall he exchange it; and if he exchanges it at all, then both it and the one exchanged for it shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.’” Lev 27:30-33 “There you shall take your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes, the heave offerings of your hand, your vowed offerings, your freewill offerings, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks. And there you shall eat before the Lord your God, and you shall rejoice in all to which you have put your hand, you and your households, in which the Lord your God has blessed you.” Deut 12:6-7 “You may not eat within your gates the tithe of your grain or your new wine or your oil, of the firstborn of your herd or your flock, of any of your offerings which you vow, of your freewill offerings, or of the heave offering of your hand. But you must eat them before the Lord your God in the place which the Lord your God chooses, you and your son and your daughter, your male servant and your female servant, and the Levite who is within your gates; and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God in all to which you put your hands.” 1 Like |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by Hotfreezer: 8:27am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Topmaike007: You have learnt something wrong today. Bad information is worse than no information. 5 Likes |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by Scoobiano1991: 8:27am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Deuteronomy 14:22-29 New International Version (NIV) Tithes 22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the Lord your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice. 27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own. 28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands. 1 Like |
| Re: Would It Still Be Tithe If I Pay It To Someone In Need Rather Than The Church? by Topmaike007(m): 8:27am On Nov 04, 2018 |
Hotfreezer:oga continue I am feeling you |
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