Someone Misses Ikupakuti

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^^^ empiree
This is very interesting, Jazakhallahu khairan for the effort you and the brother are putting in unraveling the whereabouts of our sheikh lol.

I will try my side research based on the info above, but in addition to that, that your whatsApp contact brother would make a great 'fbi', so pls pass these infos to him to aid is search further.

1. Ikupakuti is from OYO state, ibadan
2. He is based in Kano
3. Is between 48-52 yrs old
4. He is Tijaniyah
5. He is very closed to Sheikh Jamiu(ra) children

May Allah keep him safe where ever he is Amin.

Now I know I'm not the only one missing Ikupakuti.

On the age issue, I think ikupakuti once said he's in his Thirties.

Allahu Allam

May Allah keep him Safe. Amin

FriendNG,

This is in response to your request for the group called "Yan Haqiqa".

I just found this posted today

Empiree:


This is in response to your request for the group called "Yan Haqiqa".

I just found this posted today

Ok

Empiree:
FriendNG,

This is in response to your request for the group called "Yan Haqiqa".

I just found this posted today

It is this same Facebook page that posted the following

Out of all the nonsense that has been written, 2 and 11 struck me the most!

Even the mushrikoon of Makkah didn't get to this level of shirk!

How can that author say niasse is the possessor of creations?? This is shirk in the lordship of Allaah perfect be he far removed from all imperfections these fools are ascribing to him!

AbdelKabir:


It is this same Facebook page that posted the following

I can hardly make out what is written but I get some of them. All of that are fantasies. The main point which is obligatory is clear. That's the point.

Besides, I saw the guy behind the page yesterday. He's admin. He posted how picture for the first time. He's a semi-learned young dude. I sometimes msg to correct him and he listens.



**Modified**

Just went to his page to see for myself. He doesn't have source obviously. Looks like he simply copied it elsewhere and he probaly can't defend himself.

In summary he just declared Shiek Tijjani as god.

FriendNG:
In summary he just declared Shiek Tijjani as god.

dont judge him like that. You should try to contact him and admonish him first to clarify himself. When Nabi Ibrahim alaiy salaam said he saw Allah, Allah did not declare him kafir. Instead He(azal wajal) made him khalilullah. Which means, at some point in our lives, we go through series of adventures searching for God. What happened to sayyidina Ibrahim was that he was searching for Allah when he made that statement but Allah did not rebuke him but made him "father of believers"

Empiree:
dont judge him like that. You should try to contact him and admonish him first to clarify himself. When Nabi Ibrahim alaiy salaam said he saw Allah, Allah did not declare him kafir. Instead He(azal wajal) made him khalilullah. Which means, at some point in our lives, we go through series of adventures searching for God. What happened to sayyidina Ibrahim was that he was searching for Allah when he made that statement but Allah did not rebuke him but made him "father of believers"

Salam Alaykum sir, I respect your posts alot on NL but truth be said this your post na falling hand.

The guy who posted that clearly said Kafir statements and should be rebuked.

You are trying to defend him and you are really doing a bad job accomplishing that aim.
.. doesnt correlate atall

Dreydoe:


Salam Alaykum sir, I respect your posts alot on NL but truth be said this your post na falling hand.

The guy who posted that clearly said Kafir statements and should be rebuked.

You are trying to defend him and you are really doing a bad job accomplishing that aim.
.. doesnt correlate atall

walsikum salaam. You see, I know. There are guidelines to follow before declaring kufr statement on fellow muslim. Otherwise everyone will make takfir of every muslim. This is why some of the Alhusunnah retracted a little bit to caution these young guys making takfir everywhere.

Islam teaches us to give excuses. The first step is to reach out to him on FB which this brother didn't do. I was surprised too when I read it that's why I went to his page to check and I realized that he doesn't even have reference. So I messaged him and hopefully he will reply. He's a young guy and most likely follow follow type. So we should reach out to him first before anything. That's what I have just done.

If you just call him a kafir, he may just reply you saying "wahabbi". And nothing will be achieved. Everyone knows this is obvious statements that is in conflict with tawheed.

Empiree:
I can hardly make out what is written but I get some of them. All of that are fantasies. The main point which is obligatory is clear. That's the point.

Besides, I saw the guy behind the page yesterday. He's admin. He posted how picture for the first time. He's a semi-learned young dude. I sometimes msg to correct him and he listens.



**Modified**

Just went to his page to see for myself. He doesn't have source obviously. Looks like he simply copied it elsewhere and he probaly can't defend himself.

Oga, he has source which is Ibrahim niasse himself! Here is poem Ibrahim niasse composed and recited himself


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY1Zgw7l4uo


Although everything about that poem scream kufr, I just want to point out where he indicated that he has control of the creations which is exactly what that fool has affirmed


At the 4:21 mins he said:

فأمري بأمر الله إن قلتُ كن يكن وكل ملوك العالمين رعيتي

My order is with the order of Allaah, if I say be it will be and all kings of the worlds are my subjects


In the 7:55mins he said

أوعدني ألا يعذب مسلما رآني حقيقا أو رأى بحقيقتي

He(Allaah) has promised me not to punish any Muslim that see me in reality or acknowledges my essence


In the 8:33 min he said

لأني سفير الكائنات وإنني أصرف شأن الكون في أي لحظة

Because I am the ambassador of what exist and verily I control the affairs of the universe at any moment[this is a source for that guy, so don't reprimand him again o, just follow the statement since you are mureeds]

He said in the 9:26 min

ولولا رسول الله بالعهد سابقا لأغلقت أبواب الجحيم بغظمتي

If not for the previous promise given to the messenger of Allaah I would've closed the doors of hellfire by my might.



So empiree the guy has done a good job, so don't rebuke him!


Yeye...

AbdelKabir:


Oga, he has source which is Ibrahim niasse himself! Here is poem Ibrahim niasse composed and recited himself


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY1Zgw7l4uo


Although everything about that poem scream kufr, I just want to point out where he indicated that he has control of the creations which is exactly what that fool has affirmed


At the 4:21 mins he said:

فأمري بأمر الله إن قلتُ كن يكن وكل ملوك العالمين رعيتي

My order is with the order of Allaah, if I say be it will be and all kings of the worlds are my subjects


In the 7:55mins he said

أوعدني ألا يعذب مسلما رآني حقيقا أو رأى بحقيقتي

He(Allaah) has promised me not to punish any Muslim that see me in reality or acknowledges my essence


In the 8:33 min he said

لأني سفير الكائنات وإنني أصرف شأن الكون في أي لحظة

Because I am the ambassador of what exist and verily I control the affairs of the universe at any moment[this is a source for that guy, so don't reprimand him again o, just follow the statement since you are mureeds]

He said in the 9:26 min

ولولا رسول الله بالعهد سابقا لأغلقت أبواب الجحيم بغظمتي

If not for the previous promise given to the messenger of Allaah I would've closed the door of hellfire by my might.



So empiree the guy has done a good job, so don't rebuke him!


Yeye...

No, I'm not their mureed. I don't know why you are forcing that on me. I only read random posts and take out what's compatible.

I'm not Tijjaniya or member of any tariqa. Is this difficult for you to understand?. I'm only gonna address the first part base on my little knowledge of the Hadith because I believe this phrase here is in harmony with with hadith in question.

My order is with the order of Allaah, if I say be it will be and all kings of the worlds are my subjects

The Hadith is located in sahih bukhari. says about Awliya Allah that


".......When I love him I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes, and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it." (Related by Bukhari)


So I believe highlighted statement is in harmony with the hadith.


And lastly, I can't not confirm if that's the voice of the sheikh himself. This is audio unfortunately. But we as muslims do have responsibility to rebuke statement posted in the open that they can not defend. So I will advise you to ask for clarification from learned Tijjaniya people before making kufr declaration of people.

I know you did this before in one thread and I remember that thread everyday. Statements made in that narration too were ambiguous and thank God, a learned brother clarified and I will eventually post that. I still remember this morning that thread.

How I wish ikupakuti is here. The brother is Tijjaniya or very close to them. He's learned. He knows these things and their meanings. He is the one who decoded said transcript abdelkabir posted over a year ago and I still have it in my email. It makes sense but it is not binding on anyone to accept.

I will try and research on this one too but you should not make takfir of the guy until you talk to him first and see his reaction. Otherwise, he may call you "wahabbi" and your intention to correct him may not be achieved. Some of them think that anymore who critisizes them is salafi/wahabbi.

You guys have no idea that I actually had sermons with one of them 2yrs ago who used to post nonsense. He called me "WAHABBI" and blocked me just because I advised him to either stop posting what he can't defend and go back and learn basics. He has been taking my advice until the last one when he said something out of line.

This happened on fb but I don't comment on people's posts on FB or i rarely post. I only send private messages to them. Then this guy blocked me after calling me "wahabbi"

Same thing I do to this one too. I try to get them to moderate their views because they can not defend what they post. They will only tell you that you are not in the same level with their sheikh. So I said this is not a good answer. That's how I know they are not learned except few.

Empiree:
No, I'm not their mureed. I don't know why you are forcing that on me. I only read random posts and take out what's compatible.

I'm not Tijjaniya or member of any tariqa. Is this difficult for you to understand?. I'm only gonna address the first part base on my little knowledge of the Hadith because I believe this phrase here is in harmony with with hadith in question.

My order is with the order of Allaah, if I say be it will be and all kings of the worlds are my subjects

The Hadith is located in sahih bukhari. says about Awliya Allah that


".......When I love him I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes, and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it." (Related by Bukhari)


So I believe highlighted statement is in harmony with the hadith.

La hawla wa la quwwata illa billaah, he claims his order is the order of Allaah and all the kings of the worlds are his subjects and you say it goes in harmony with the hadeeth?? His statement shows he sees himself a partner to Allaah, while the hadeeth establishes that the waliy is a servant while Allaah is the lord, but niasse sees himself as a partner, where is the harmony?

And lastly, I can't not confirm if that's the voice of the sheikh himself. This is audio unfortunately. But we as muslims do have responsibility to rebuke statement posted in the open that they can not defend.

You can't confirm if it is the voice of niasse, oga this poem is very very popular amongst them, in fact it has different versions that are slightly different to what niasse composed and recited himself.

So I will advise you to ask for clarification from learned Tijjaniya people before making kufr declaration of

I know you did this before in one thread and I remember that thread everyday. Statements made in that narration too were ambiguous and thank God, a learned brother clarified and I will eventually post that. I still remember this morning that thread.

Pls show me where I made mass declaration on tijaniyyah people on that thread or may Allaah cut the tongue of the liars...

AbdelKabir:


La hawla wa la quwwata illa billaah, he claims his order is the order of Allaah and all the kings of the worlds are his subjects and you say it goes in harmony with the hadeeth?? His statement shows he sees himself a partner to Allaah, while the hadeeth establishes that the waliy is a servant while Allaah is the lord, but niasse sees himself as a partner, where is the harmony?

lol, bro. Honestly I have already typed reply but I decided to erase it knowing that we will drag this forever. In no way will I allow you to put me in defensive mode. If you are sincere enough you would have tried to make excuses by interpreting his said phrases. We know there are ambiguous statements like this in QUR'AN and Hadith but you try to interpret them. But when it comes to someone who doesn't suits you, you take the word literally to whip the sheikh with koboko This isn't fair bro. I have no problem with that statement being in harmony with the hadith. I'm just gonna leave this here. Don't you interpret verses of Quran and hadith if you think the literal meaning is off?

You can't confirm if it is the voice of niasse, oga this poem is very very popular amongst them, in fact it has different versions that are slightly different to what niasse composed and recited himself.

thank God you freed me you said "among them". That's them not me. So it just make sense to ask "them". I only defend their practices that are clear from the kitab and sunnah like dhikr and Dua. I can defend that to the Moon and back. I don't like to get into their technical terms because I don't belong to any tariqa. I will advise you to watch and listen to sheikh Muhammad Mustafa Ashile (ra). Many things you and I discussed he already talked about. He explained many things but you have option to not "buy" due to ideology differences. But deep inside of you you will realize he talked sense. But I don't agree with him 100%

It is same thing like solatih fatih being greater than Quran etc they break it down long ago. Problem they have is that they should have written footnotes explaining many things. Unfortunately many of their learned schoolers are gone. Few remains.

Pls show me where I made mass declaration on tijaniyyah people on that thread or may Allaah cut the tongue of the liars...

Not you. I simply made general statement. Not you in particular.

Empiree:
dont judge him like that. You should try to contact him and admonish him first to clarify himself. When Nabi Ibrahim alaiy salaam said he saw Allah, Allah did not declare him kafir. Instead He(azal wajal) made him khalilullah. Which means, at some point in our lives, we go through series of adventures searching for God. What happened to sayyidina Ibrahim was that he was searching for Allah when he made that statement but Allah did not rebuke him but made him "father of believers"

Totally not the same. Ain't contacting him for anything he declared Tijjani as god and it remains so until he dissociate himself totally from it.

FriendNG:


Totally not the same. Ain't contacting him for anything he declared Tijjani as god and it remains so until he dissociate himself totally from it.

see, this is the problem we are facing as Muslims. This is why I said what I said. it means you are concerned about sect the guy associated with not the essence to correct his mistakes. This isn't right



**MODIFIED**

And you said totally not the same. Don't we have Muslims today who say "if you make Dua or dhikr you see nothing but Allah". This makes them kufar?

Statement like that is very common. Hadith says that too.

Empiree:
walsikum salaam. You see, I know. There are guidelines to follow before declaring kufr statement on fellow muslim. Otherwise everyone will make takfir of every muslim. This is why some of the Alhusunnah retracted a little bit to caution these young guys making takfir everywhere.

Islam teaches us to give excuses. The first step is to reach out to him on FB which this brother didn't do. I was surprised too when I read it that's why I went to his page to check and I realized that he doesn't even have reference. So I messaged him and hopefully he will reply. He's a young guy and most likely follow follow type. So we should reach out to him first before anything. That's what I have just done.

If you just call him a kafir, he may just reply you saying "wahabbi". And nothing will be achieved. Everyone knows this is obvious statements that is in conflict with tawheed.

Fair enough.... better

I Don't support him being called Kafir yet, Nobdy has done that ... Only supported him being rebuked for his Kafir statements.


That brother gave a summary of the FB Post which is nothing far from the truth.
Islam teaches us to give excuses. Yes you are right sir but does this also apply to one who seems to share Divinity with ALLAH (swt)




Allah Allam

Empiree:
see, this is the problem we are facing as Muslims. This is why I said what I said. it means you are concerned about sect the guy associated with not the essence to correct his mistakes. This isn't right

I cannot remember talking about the sect he is. From what he write it means sheik Tijjani is god. What stop you from correcting him? And you can later post it here that the guy has realized his mistakes

**MODIFIED**

And you said totally not the same. Don't we have Muslims today who say "if you make Dua or dhikr you see nothing but Allah". This makes them kufar?

Statement like that is very common. Hadith says that too.

I don't care what this that Muslim said. The truth is clear from falsehood. So let's not deceive ourselves.

FriendNG:


I cannot remember talking about the sect he is. From what he write it means sheik Tijjani is god according to him. What stop you from correcting him? And you can later post it here that the guy has realized his mistakes?

So now you asked me what's stopping me? If you read up there, I already did. I'm only waiting for his reply. Even if he replied you will never be satisfied. Remember something like this happened before and I contacted them on FB and posted their answer but you still critisized because of ideology differences. It doesn't matter which sect he belongs. You should simply confront him as muslim. It is your duty too. But what you did by making takfr is what I'm trying to caution you about. I have learned from Alhusunnah people that we not supposed to do that. I have also learned that from sheikh Adam's lecture not to do that to muslim. I can assure you the guy is not calling Sheikh Tijjani god. I'm sure he will deny that unless he's high on Igbo. I know that for real. Let's hope he replies. I don't talk to him often. He's not my friend. I only read his posts randomly

Empiree:
So now you asked me what's stopping me? If you read up there, I already did. I'm only waiting for his reply. Even if he replied you will never be satisfied.

It will only be OK if he clearly dissociate himself from it and not try to offer some magical explanation about how what he says is true.

Remember something like this happened before and I contacted them on FB and posted their answer but you still critisized because of ideology differences. It doesn't matter which sect he belongs. You should simply confront him as muslim. It is your duty too.

I cannot remember such. Where and when?

But what you did by making takfr is what I'm trying to caution you about.

Making takfr where? In summary he said Tijjani is god. Don't behave like the hypocrites. Don't you understand English language? Is what was posted written in Hausa?

Clearly he referred sheik Tijjani as god. Are you denying that? If you cannot read and understand call someone to help you. This requires no further explanation and the only remedy to this total retraction of such foolish statements.

I have learned from Alhusunnah people that we not supposed to do that. I have also learned that from sheikh Adam's lecture not to do that to muslim. I can assure you the guy is not calling Sheikh Tijjani god. I'm sure he will deny that unless he's high on Igbo. I know that for real. Let's hope he replies. I don't talk to him often. He's not my friend. I only read his posts randomly

Don't think you're talking to 1 year old kid. He said sheik controls everything as in heaven ..... And even go further to swear about his statement.

And you're here depending it. Even if he denied referring Tijjani as god but still Stand by the post he posted, then he is only deceving u.

It's the case of six (6) and half a dozen.

FriendNG:


It will only be OK if he clearly dissociate himself from it and not try to offer some magical explanation about how what he says is true.

Yes, he should. I agree.

I cannot remember such. Where and when?

Lol over a year ago on your old moniker

Making takfr where? In summary he said Tijjani is god. Don't behave like the hypocrites. Don't you understand English language? Is what was posted written in Hausa?

Oh wait oo. I thought you were joking or made this up. I didnt read this in the statement. Let me go back up and read again. Maybe i missed it. But dont put words in his mouth. He is not registered NL. Thats why i said you should talk to him first.

It's the case of six (6) and half a dozen.

and you said you dont remember?

I am still waiting for his reply. Dont overhype anything yet. Just wait. But if he doesnt, i will be forced to leave comment on his page. I dont usually do that.

Went to his page again. The only thing i can honestly say before i get clarification from him is that the short article was translated by google or he clicked on "translate" from the website. It is not properly worded at all in my opinion. I can barely understand a thing from it. So i say again, please give excuse to your brother. I am reading it again and it doesn't sound like something written by human but through google translate. But then, if that is the case, he is still at fault for posting it without proper review.

Why did i say this?. If you read over again, you will see inconsistencies suggesting it is google translate. Let's wait

@Empiree so initial you did not read the post in those screenshot but you're busy arguing. You're after attacking me as a person rather and not concentrating on the post. Well I have wasted my time.

Empiree:
lol, bro. Honestly I have already typed reply but I decided to erase it knowing that we will drag this forever. In no way will I allow you to put me in defensive mode. If you are sincere enough you would have tried to make excuses by interpreting his said phrases. We know there are ambiguous statements like this in QUR'AN and Hadith but you try to interpret them. But when it comes to someone who doesn't suits you, you take the word literally to whip the sheikh with koboko This isn't fair bro. I have no problem with that statement being in harmony with the hadith. I'm just gonna leave this here. Don't you interpret verses of Quran and hadith if you think the literal meaning is off?


thank God you freed me you said "among them". That's them not me. So it just make sense to ask "them". I only defend their practices that are clear from the kitab and sunnah like dhikr and Dua. I can defend that to the Moon and back. I don't like to get into their technical terms because I don't belong to any tariqa. I will advise you to watch and listen to sheikh Muhammad Mustafa Ashile (ra). Many things you and I discussed he already talked about. He explained many things but you have option to not "buy" due to ideology differences. But deep inside of you you will realize he talked sense. But I don't agree with him 100%

It is same thing like solatih fatih being greater than Quran etc they break it down long ago. Problem they have is that they should have written footnotes explaining many things. Unfortunately many of their learned schoolers are gone. Few remains.





Not you. I simply made general statement. Not you in particular.

What excuse is there to give when the words are as clear as daylight, he has simple called himself Allaah, he even said he was the one that through his spit, ya'qoob eyes got fine..

OK, let's assume you want to give excuse, give us an excuse for him for that statement

FriendNG:
@Em.piree so initial you did not read the post in those screenshot but you're busy arguing. You're after attacking me as a person rather and not concentrating on the post. Well I have wasted my time.

You are partially right. I did read few lines cus i hate reading such italics and stuff. Thats why i went straight to his page. And i made my initial comment base on your comment bcus i know you very well. You are not a novice here now, abi?

AbdelKabir:



What excuse is there to give when the words are as clear as daylight, he has simple called himself Allaah, he even said he was the one that through his spit, ya'qoob eyes got fine..

OK, let's assume you want to give excuse, give us an excuse for him for that statement

How about you give him excuses?. How about if you reach out to him directly?. This is sunnah bro. It doesnt matter how clear the statements are. He is not here to defend himself. You should know he copied those things and he most likely didnt review before posting which means it is not about the guy after all. But if you are talking about the audio, i have told you that i can not verify that. I can not verify the speaker. But if you want to rebuke the sheikh as you did in the past, i can not do that bcus i dont know him neither you. And none of those shuyukh who lived in his time takfired him. So I am free from guilty bcus i am not tijjaniya member to have to defend anyone. I only take out what is good from them.

But let's be clear, no human should claim divinity for themselves etc. This is what "sheikh" Jabaru did in the 80s and all ulama in nigeria from different manhaj collectively made takfir of him bcus he uttered open statement of kufr worst than this. But these same ulama knew sheikh Niyas(ra) then but they didnt have problems with him. Rather they considered him thier alfa. It is too late now for you or anyone who were not even born or knew a thing a bout him to criticize him. Finally, Allah Himself dealt with "Sheikh" Jabaru by making all the things he worked for in his entire life disappeared right before his face and he lived longer like non living thing to suffer the pain until his death. So you can't really fight for Allah. Thats that. I lived in era of sheikh Jabaru. A one hell south western crazy muslim alaka by Allah himself.

Empiree:
How about you give him excuses?. How about if you reach out to him directly?. This is sunnah bro. It doesnt matter how clear the statements are. He is not here to defend himself. You should know he copied those things and he most likely didnt review before posting which means it is not about the guy after all. But if you are talking about the audio, i have told you that i can not verify that. I can not verify the speaker. But if you want to rebuke the sheikh as you did in the past, i can not do that bcus i dont know him neither you. And none of those shuyukh who lived in his time takfired him. So I am free from guilty bcus i am not tijjaniya member to have to defend anyone. I only take out what is good from them.

But let's be clear, no human should claim divinity for themselves etc. This is what "sheikh" Jabaru did in the 80s and all ulama in nigeria from different manhaj collectively made takfir of him bcus he uttered open statement of kufr worst than this. But these same ulama knew sheikh Niyas(ra) then but they didnt have problems with him. Rather they considered him thier alfa. It is too late now for you or anyone who were not even born or knew a thing a bout him to criticize him. Finally, Allah Himself dealt with "Sheikh" Jabaru by making all the things he worked for in his entire life disappeared right before his face and he lived longer like non living thing to suffer the pain until his death. So you can't really fight for Allah. Thats that. I lived in era of sheikh Jabaru. A one hell south western crazy muslim alaka by Allah himself.

What are you saying? I'm talking about niasse himself with what he said...

I'm telling u, give us the excuse you want to give him..

AbdelKabir:



What are you saying? I'm talking about niasse himself with what he said...

I'm telling u, give us the excuse you want to give him..

Isnt the video you are referring to?. I have addressed that in my last post. Read again, pls.