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Mujtahida:
So everyone who leaves Christianity was never a Christian? How simplistic can your thinking be. You don't even know that what you are practicing today is more of churchianity than Christianity as practiced in the early church.

First off, I believe in God as I wrote in my first post. But do I believe in Yahweh? No. Do I believe in Jesus? Not anymore. Jesus if ever he did exist and died, died for his own sins and the sins of Yahweh but not for me. Forgiveness doesn't require bloodshed. Human beings forgive even the most unspeakably egregious acts without shedding blood.
Obviously the merciful Biblical God didn't learn a thing or two from us his supposedly depraved creation hence he had to slake his vengefulness with the blood of his son. Jesus died to save the old testament petty minded, hateful and murderous, gentile killing God of Israel (actually Yahweh is an idol - Google Yahweh and read his entry on Wikipedia) from his worst characters hence his conversion into a god of love in the new testament.

If I lied then every person whose experience is written in scripture is a lie, ain't so? And You too lie when you say God speaks to you(since you regard my saying I found scriptures cold a lie so ditto I regard you saying God spoke to you a lie-how's that? )
At a certain point I found scriptures cold. No lies. Why is that point hard for you to swallow when I know that a great number of genuinely born again Christians experience that sort of devotional dryness sometimes briefly, sometimes for long periods.

If God spoke to Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Ezra etc then I cannot live my life based on those words unless God speaks to me too. Show me in scriptures, the scriptures that Abraham or Moses read to hear God speak. And I say that the God who speaks in the Bible is not God - those are the words of men!!! And even if it were God, I say to him, No I will not believe your word to Isaac, to Isaiah, to Micah or even to Adeboye, Oyedepo or Iginla. Give me my own word. When I breath through the nose God gave me I breathe by myself, when I walk, I walk with the legs God gave me, when I look, I look through the eyes he gave. So why then do I need to filter my own spiritual relationship to him through the words he spoke to David, to some nomadic Jew some thousands of years ago. Do you know what fatherhood means? Do you know the implication of the word becoming flesh amongst us? Did Jesus not speak directly to his disciples? Why has he gone mute? Is he not the same yesterday, today and forever? Is he not called the living word? He must speak ooo, he must speak directly to me if we gon have a relationship. I rather go to hell than relate with my God through a proxy. The Bible God who cannot speak to me deserves no obedience from me. I believe in no Bible God, he doesn't need me as you have repeatedly hammered and guess what? I don't freaking need him because he doesn't exist. I carry my God inside my heart. I look up, I see his symbol, his sun shining on me, warming my soul and blessing me with its life giving rays, his rain refreshing and renewing the earth.

There's no implication of Eternal death or life. What is, is -whether death or life. All such Biblical frameworks are bunkum to me. Trust me if there's Eternal life I have it already. If I don't have it, you don't have it. If you have it, I have it even more. It doesn't depend on no Jesus. Humanity extends farther than Christ, a vast, countless horde of men have thronged this old earth before your Christ ever uttered a word.

I have no desire to live in definitely . That's a Christian ideal that doesn't resonate with me. I am perfectly satisfied with experiencing this one. I I have no fear whatsoever regarding my choices. All the scriptures on eternal life or death cannot change my mind. When I was a Christian, heaven was not really an inducement to me. What I wanted most was a fruitful spiritual relationship with God. I discovered like you said that the christian god doesn't need me and I walked away. My life is less cluttered now. I belong to the God of the universe. When my time is up I will go back to the unknown place from whence I came.

SimplySEA:
Sorry Bro...
You don't serve God on your own terms, you serve him on his terms.
BTW over history (in the Bible)it's known that God speaks only to Prophets and sometimes to a selected few ( I can't really remember any right now). Even some beloved kings, even the great king David did not enjoy this benefit. Wait who be you self? God called David "a man after his heart" and yet David required the services of prophets.

You don't serve God on your own terms, you serve him on his terms!

COMMON SENSE REQUIRES THAT YOU DON'T SERVE HIM AT ALL.

SimplySEA:
Sorry Bro...
You don't serve God on your own terms, you serve him on his terms.
BTW over history (in the Bible)it's known that God speaks only to Prophets and sometimes to a selected few ( I can't really remember any right now). Evensome beloved kings, even the great king David did not enjoy this benefit. Wait who be you self? God called David "a man after his heart" and yet David required the services of prophets.

You don't serve God on your own terms, you serve him on his terms!

Mujtahida:
That's the beginning of the fraud. The god who chooses to speak through prophets should go and asks those prophets to obey him not me.

Carry your idol Jehovah comot make I see Road jare. Yeye Jewish god.

LordReed:
More like yeye Canaanite god (Yhwh and El were originally Canaanite gods). LMFAO!

Mujtahida:
So everyone who leaves Christianity was never a Christian? How simplistic can your thinking be. You don't even know that what you are practicing today is more of churchianity than Christianity as practiced in the early church.

First off, I believe in God as I wrote in my first post. But do I believe in Yahweh? No. Do I believe in Jesus? Not anymore. Jesus if ever he did exist and died, died for his own sins and the sins of Yahweh but not for me. Forgiveness doesn't require bloodshed. Human beings forgive even the most unspeakably egregious acts without shedding blood.
Obviously the merciful Biblical God didn't learn a thing or two from us his supposedly depraved creation hence he had to slake his vengefulness with the blood of his son. Jesus died to save the old testament petty minded, hateful and murderous, gentile killing God of Israel (actually Yahweh is an idol - Google Yahweh and read his entry on Wikipedia) from his worst characters hence his conversion into a god of love in the new testament.

If I lied then every person whose experience is written in scripture is a lie, ain't so? And You too lie when you say God speaks to you(since you regard my saying I found scriptures cold a lie so ditto I regard you saying God spoke to you a lie-how's that? )
At a certain point I found scriptures cold. No lies. Why is that point hard for you to swallow when I know that a great number of genuinely born again Christians experience that sort of devotional dryness sometimes briefly, sometimes for long periods.

If God spoke to Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Ezra etc then I cannot live my life based on those words unless God speaks to me too. Show me in scriptures, the scriptures that Abraham or Moses read to hear God speak. And I say that the God who speaks in the Bible is not God - those are the words of men!!! And even if it were God, I say to him, No I will not believe your word to Isaac, to Isaiah, to Micah or even to Adeboye, Oyedepo or Iginla. Give me my own word. When I breath through the nose God gave me I breathe by myself, when I walk, I walk with the legs God gave me, when I look, I look through the eyes he gave. So why then do I need to filter my own spiritual relationship to him through the words he spoke to David, to some nomadic Jew some thousands of years ago. Do you know what fatherhood means? Do you know the implication of the word becoming flesh amongst us? Did Jesus not speak directly to his disciples? Why has he gone mute? Is he not the same yesterday, today and forever? Is he not called the living word? He must speak ooo, he must speak directly to me if we gon have a relationship. I rather go to hell than relate with my God through a proxy. The Bible God who cannot speak to me deserves no obedience from me. I believe in no Bible God, he doesn't need me as you have repeatedly hammered and guess what? I don't freaking need him because he doesn't exist. I carry my God inside my heart. I look up, I see his symbol, his sun shining on me, warming my soul and blessing me with its life giving rays, his rain refreshing and renewing the earth.

There's no implication of Eternal death or life. What is, is -whether death or life. All such Biblical frameworks are bunkum to me. Trust me if there's Eternal life I have it already. If I don't have it, you don't have it. If you have it, I have it even more. It doesn't depend on no Jesus. Humanity extends farther than Christ, a vast, countless horde of men have thronged this old earth before your Christ ever uttered a word.

I have no desire to live in definitely . That's a Christian ideal that doesn't resonate with me. I am perfectly satisfied with experiencing this one. I I have no fear whatsoever regarding my choices. All the scriptures on eternal life or death cannot change my mind. When I was a Christian, heaven was not really an inducement to me. What I wanted most was a fruitful spiritual relationship with God. I discovered like you said that the christian god doesn't need me and I walked away. My life is less cluttered now. I belong to the God of the universe. When my time is up I will go back to the unknown place from whence I came.

Mujtahida:
Even if they were originally Canaanite gods they've been co-opted and made popular, perpetuated by the Jews. The Canaanites faded away long time ago.

Mujtahida:
Even if they were originally Canaanite gods they've been co-opted and made popular, perpetuated by the Jews. The Canaanites faded away long time ago.

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SimplySEA:
You wanted him to speak to you and he refused then all these hatred? You think God is a genie in some lamp that you can just conjure and he 'd jump at your call? Sometimes the answer is a simply "NO". Deal with it!

SimplySEA:
You think too much of yourself; all the more he wouldn't speak to you. In fact He doesn't associate with those with haughty spirit... He loves the humble and work with them.

Imagine if God speaks to everybody the way you want him to speak to you what would the world be like - confusion? Commotion?

Today not all of us are scientists and the world is already one button away from self destruction. That's level confusion man can bring. Imagine the confusion the world would be if to everyone goes about with a voice in their head.

He chooses those he has assignments for, just like any employer.

SimplySEA:
You think too much of yourself; all the more he wouldn't speak to you. In fact He doesn't associate with those with haughty spirit... He loves the humble and work with them.

Imagine if God speaks to everybody the way you want him to speak to you what would the world be like - confusion? Commotion?

Today not all of us are scientists and the world is already one button away from self destruction. That's level confusion man can bring. Imagine the confusion the world would be if to everyone goes about with a voice in their head.

He chooses those he has assignments for, just like any employer.

SimplySEA:
You think too much of yourself; all the more he wouldn't speak to you. In fact He doesn't associate with those with haughty spirit... He loves the humble and work with them.

LOL

Imagine if God speaks to everybody the way you want him to speak to you what would the world be like - confusion? Commotion?
NOT IF HE TELLS EVERYONE THE SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME.

Today not all of us are scientists and the world is already one button away from self destruction. That's level confusion man can bring. Imagine the confusion the world would be if to everyone goes about with a voice in their head.
MR. MAN GET LOST.

He chooses those he has assignments for, just like any employer.
LOL. LET HIM GET THEM TO WORSHIP HIM AND GIVE HIM TITHE. I'M NOT INTERESTED.
IF HE'S AVAILABLE AND WANTS ME HE SHOULD DIRECTLY TALK TO ME, AND HAHN, AND DALAMAN.. SO WE MAKE SURE I WASN'T HALLUCINATING.

joseph1013:
YOU CAN'T PROVE GOD DOESN'T EXIST

It is common for theists to avoid the burden of proof by asserting that the atheist cannot prove God doesn't exist. Atheists normally respond with something like , "No, but you have the burden of proof..."

That's fair enough, but there is another way to deal with this. The assertion "You cannot prove God doesn't exist" is itself a belief and needs to substantiated. So next time a theists challenges you in this way, don't start wittering on about the burden of proof, just ask them how they know that.

They will be no better at explaining why you can't prove God doesn't exist than they are at explaining why they believe he does.

vaxx:
It isn’t. A burden of proof is only required when there is a dispute which cannot be easily resolved and where there is a need for an answer one way or the other. So burden of proof lies on the persuader, either be it believer or not.

If someone I don’t know, let’s say seun , were to come to my house and try to persuade me that I am deluded for believing in God, I would be quite justified in adhering to the position that the burden of proof would be on him as the person seeking to persuade me of his superior argument. If he failed to discharge the burden of proof I would carry on with lifestyle.

At least "" the God delusion "" written by Richard darwkin was an attempt to prove god does not exist. Even your own thread is base on the same premises.

joseph1013:
Here is the conversation usually...

Believer: You need God for your fulfillment...

Unbeliever: I don't think so. I don't believe in God.

B: How can you say so? Only a fool says there is no God. God exists...

U: What is your evidence for the existence of God?

B: You sef, prove to me that God does not exist...

You see, it is the believer who makes the assertion of the existence of God, therefore the burden of proof is on him to back up his claims.

Do you understand now?

vaxx:
This is flawed excuse, the discussion can be initiated by either of them.

Using your logic.

Atheist .....ehy emeka why do you pray before you start attending to customers?

Believer.....mr nanmdi , i need to talk to god first befors any other human. God first you know.

Atheist.....how do you talk to god that does not exist?

Believer.....how do you know the God i am talking to does not exist?

You can see from this scenario, it is atheist that initiated the discussion and come up with the statement that god does not exist. And logically, it is reasonable for the believer to ask for the evidence of that statement.


Hope you understand now.

joseph1013:
color=#550000]Then I ask you, is this scenario what happens to you in real life? Which of the two scenarios do you think is much more likely in Nigeria?

And any atheist who conclusively tells you god does not exist is deluded. I have not heard an atheist say that. Where do you find your own atheists?[/color]

joseph1013:
And any atheist who conclusively tells you god does not exist is deluded. I have not heard an atheist say that. Where do you find your own atheists?

forgiveness:
Do you believe Bible?

SimplySEA:
You wanted him to speak to you and he refused then all these hatred? You think God is a genie in some lamp that you can just conjure and he 'd jump at your call? Sometimes the answer is a simply "NO". Deal with it!

SimplySEA:
You think too much of yourself; all the more he wouldn't speak to you. In fact He doesn't associate with those with haughty spirit... He loves the humble and work with them.

Imagine if God speaks to everybody the way you want him to speak to you what would the world be like - confusion? Commotion?

Today not all of us are scientists and the world is already one button away from self destruction. That's level confusion man can bring. Imagine the confusion the world would be if to everyone goes about with a voice in their head.

He chooses those he has assignments for, just like any employer.

budaatum:
Gods do not exist outside the minds of those in whom they are created.

You've heard it now, and I have held this view whilst living in Nigeria, and in fact, developed it there through extensive research. If gods do exist, people wouldn't claim to believe they did, they would know they did, but I'm sure you'd have realised most people believe gods exist without actually knowing.

joseph1013:
You understand it's not enough to just blurt out these assertions, right?

You've done extensive research that have not been peer reviewed, hence the rest of us mortals don't know about, isn't it? It's a given that such a research if validated would win you a Nobel.