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Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by gidgiddy: 9:28am On Nov 16, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: You never had any foundation to begin with. You are just a product of the British enforcement of ethnic groups against their will into A colonial project called Nigeria. Bynthe time the British were preparing to go, you so called 'Nigerians' were already masacaring each other in a clear sign that we are not meant to be together. When the British left in 1960, the killings continued. The census crises, 1964 election crises and operation wetie of 1965. Nigerians were killing themselves in huge numbers and the military stepped in January 1966, but people l8ke keep saying that Nigeria was fine until the first coup when there was already fire on the mountain. Then this first coup, people like Major Ademoyega, Captain Adeleke, Lt Oyewole and It Egbiko were all Yoruba participants. So what percentage of the coup was Yoruba?South Korea had Military coups, today they are a generation ahead of Nigeria. Ghana had Military coups , today Ghana is a success story in Africa. You people are still moaning and blaming the first coup 52 years later Even when the Igbos you are complaining about declared their independence and went their way, you Nigerians declared war and fought to bring Igbos back into the fold The history of Nigeria had finally proved to even a blind man that Lugard made a catastrophic mistake bringing us together in 1914. We are more divided today than in 1960. It is now time to call a spade a spade, conduct a referendum and allow those who have been choking in unholy union to exit and start afresh |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Xfemt(m): 9:42am On Nov 16, 2018 |
gaskiyamagana:Stop hating man even if he looses I ve d right to choose any candidate I like. U can't force me to like pmb, u ll neva and can neva. So stop hating 1 love God bless nigeria |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by SouthEastFacts: 10:00am On Nov 16, 2018 |
jafol:Atiku fought Sharia with his life while the yoruba moslems' hero was banned from entering USA for 15 years for fanaticism. |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Deadlytruth(m): 11:55am On Nov 16, 2018 |
gidgiddy: First and foremost, I am not Yoruba and it is actually ill-informed to think that whoever is intelligent enough to discern that Ironsi's Unification Decree destroyed Nigeria must be Yoruba. By always so insinuating you Igbos actually unduly credit Yorubas with superiority of mental faculty over those of all other Southern tribes. Per the bolded, all Nigerian tribes had immediately after the amalgamation realized and admitted that fact. Only you Igbos chose to deny the obvious in preference for living under the illusion of the fraudulent 'one-Nigeria' created in the greedy imagination of your father Azikiwe who colluded with the same British you now so much deride to sabotage all other tribes' calls for a reversal of Lord Luggard's blunder at a time it could have been peacefully and bloodlessly done if you Igbos had cooperated. But in your selfish hidden agenda already foreshadowed by the earlier declarations by your kinsmen Zik and Charles Onyeama that it was just a question of time for some Igbo gods to give the British contraption over to you Igbos dominate and totally own, you did all you could to encourage the sustenance of the colonial enforcement which you never agreed it was despite knowing deep down in your mind that it actually was. who therefore was most guilty of knowing that Nigeria was not fine and could never really become fine but preferred to believe the contrary if not you Igbos? The pre-independence massacres and disturbances could be ascribed to the fact that Nigerians were yet to produce a constitution by themselves and for themselves. But at independence, we successfully did that and we all mutually consented to it. However, problem started again when you Igbos colluded with the North to produce a coalition government which began to undermine key aspects of that constitution by way of aiding and abetting the anti-constitutional acts of Balewa like the undue interference in the purely internal affairs of the Western Region. At that point you Igbos didn't realize that all was not well. But once your collusion with him eventually emboldened Balewa to rig censuses and elections to such a degree of brazenness that boomeranged againt you Igbos yourselves, you suddenly realized that Nigeria was a colonial contraption and rather than sponsor a motion to restore your earlier rejected secession clause to enable you get out, you rather tried to seize power through a coup with the purview of making your own constitution and imposing it on Nigeria. While that appeared to have been successful under your kinsman Ironsi, your earlier realization that Nigeria was a colonial contraption waned again and gave way to domination agenda inspired patriotism in pursuit of which you almost killed an Ijaw man who dared declare the secession you later hypocriticaly started asking for. You even went as far as quickly and unilaterally adjusting the constitution once more to make the Anti-secession Decree. Ironsi, on your behalf, toyed with the constitution as it pleased you in your dubious pursuit of your domination agenda, and all that while you cheered in him on because Nigeria was still fine in your eyes. But once Ironsi was kicked out by your old friends and allies, the Hausafulanis, beating you to your domination agenda game, Nigeria again began to appear as British enforcement in your eyes. This is the ever shifting opinion of you Igbos about the legality of Nigeria. So who really takes you seriously? 3 Likes |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by gidgiddy: 12:43pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: This going back what happend 50 or 60 years won't help anyone in 2018. We all need to join hands and get government to conduct a referendum so that those who still believe in the Nigerian dream can continue, and those of us who are tired of Nigeria can exit |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by KingRagnar: 12:58pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
I think Nigerians should be extremely mindful of who we vote in as president next year, I ,mean how can Atiku claim he knows how BH started but yet never did anything or said anything to curb their activities for all the years they had and are still terrorizing the nation, yet he wants to rule. A man who truly has compassion for his comrades, his brothers would have done or suggested a way curb their activities. |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Chemcrown: 1:56pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
gidgiddy: The seccession (referendum) clause that would have been in the constitution that Zik rejected, the regional system of government that Ironsi stylishly abolished. And again, we are even divided on what Ibo really want: are they really interested in referendum or are they atikulating now? Gidgiddy, are you atikulating or no referendum, no election? |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Deadlytruth(m): 2:02pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
gidgiddy: Then you have to first demonstrate sincerity by doing away with this attitude of blaming everyone else for the difficulty and near impossibility of leaving the cesspit. If you must point accusing fingers at all, it must be towards Zik and Ironsi who started it all. If you can do that we will all come together to share ideas on how to join hands and crush this contraption. After all we were the first to move the motion and are always ready to do it again provided we are sure you won't sabotage it again. But once you start pointing accusing fingers wrongly, you will stir unnecessary controversy like the one here which will surely distract everyone from focusing on the more needful. 2 Likes |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by gidgiddy: 2:39pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
Chemcrown: Referendum dies not need to be in the constitution before it can be used. Referendum was been conducted in Nigeria in 1959, 1961 and 1963 with any referendum clause being in the constitution. Parts of Adamawa, Taraba and Bornu states are part of Nigeria because of referendum. Even Britain gave Scotland referendum in 2014 without referendum being in the British constitution. The only thing required to hold a referendum is a resolution of the National Assembly. So anybody thinking that there must be some sort of secession or referendum clause in the constitution before referendum can be conducted is ignorant . Atikulating? I'm talking about the freedom of my people. Nigeria is not going to get better no matter who is in Aso Rock and God knows that Atiku and Buhari are just ad bad as each other |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by jafol(m): 2:51pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
SouthEastFacts:And why is your hero ATIKU banned from entering US for? Olodo |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by 3rdeyeNigeria: 4:13pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: However sad and shameful, this your submission appear almost right except for one single error which we Nigerians are always guilty of. Anytime I hear an educate fellow using the terms "your kinsman", "Your Son" I get disappointed. They was no time Igbo tribe uniformly made (or agree to make) those decisions Zik, Aguiyi Ironsi, Nzougwu made. They were individual, independent, humans, power hungry... They made an exclusive decision. It would be so grossly unfair and stupid to judge your whole tribe for an action you individually took. And then they was no internet and free flow of information as it is now therefore 98% of Igbos never knew what was really happening. My point is say No to generalisation and grouping. |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Deadlytruth(m): 5:03pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
3rdeyeNigeria: Unfortunately you couldn't see that the person I responded to started the generalization and I only gave it back to him in his coin. However, contrary to your position, Zik was voted into the parliament by Igbos to represent and lead them just like every other political leaders of the time. If Igbos didn't approve of Zik's myopic position on those issues, then why didn't they recall him despite the process was even easier under colonial era than now? Please recall as well that Ironsi's Unification Decree was a product of advice from his nearly 100% Igbo advisory committee headed by the Professor Nwabueze now chanting restructuring all over the place. 2 Likes |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Chemcrown: 5:18pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
3rdeyeNigeria: I want to believe that you are joking with this assertion. Whether the people are/were aware or not, all actions taken by a legislature is the action collectively taken by his/her constituency (reason they are called representative), otherwise he or she will be recall. Now that we have internet, What is the MAJOR response of ibos on Kanu's call for seccession and what is the MAJOR voice that Atiku is selected as the presidential aspirant for the opposition party. |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by 3rdeyeNigeria: 5:45pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: Understand this very important fact. An average Igbo man (both in politics, paliarment or Main market) does not act to promote his tribe. He thinks about himself, his family, then his community rarely about his tribe or tribesmen. They is no emotional connection. Someone like Awolowo built schools, gave free education, he always wanted to push the Yoruba race forward... People like Zik actions were for personal gain Igbo race is not in their dictionary. Same as current South East Governors, they have conveniently endorse Buhari since June which from current indication it is not a near popular decision and they are on their own as usual. Let me ask a very dangerous. God forbid, let say one of those governor (like Rocha.. God forbid) , out of personal intrest and greed conspire with some coupist and they murder the president. People like you would say it was Igbos, your son, your governor that kill him. Then if people like us say that the governor acted on his own and should be treated as an individual murderer, your type would say why did "we" not impeach him. Like I said, Everyman should be judged for his own sin. That's only when Nigeria can develop. |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by 3rdeyeNigeria: 5:54pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
Chemcrown: Is Kanu a legislator Who made Kaduna Nzogwu a legislator See, let me tell you "write this my quote down". Soon another Igbo man would rise, most probably from obscurity and do something dangerous, risky, huge for 100% personal gain without zero recourse to his fellow neutral tribesmen living peacefully all over the country then people like you instead of catching that particular Igbo man and skin him alive till he bleeds to death you would conviniently blame the whole neutral Igbomen and attack them that their son, their kinsman did this and that.... This single action would lead to the second Civil war. Save it somewhere. And obviously I would not be with you in Your low IQ and tribalistic Nigeria now or during that period of self inflicted turmoil. |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Chemcrown: 6:09pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
gidgiddy: Thanks a lot for civility. You assert (and I believe you are right) that "The only thing required to hold a referendum is a resolution of the National Assembly." And I believe you know that the National Assembly cannot just SAY let there be referendum and there WILL be referendum. They have to integrate it into the law. But where I think you get it wrong is just the National Assembly having resolution but not backed by law. That kind of abracadabra does not just happen. You see why ATIKU noise on restructuring is just a farce. On those places you mentioned that referendum was conducted, note the following reasons why it was conducted: 1. The referendum is just for the people affected to know where the NEWLY INDEPENDENT COUNTRY (Cameroun or Nigeria). 2. The people affected are living along the border between the two countries. 3. The referendum conducted was not about staying on their own but where they want to belong between the two countries. Read a bit of this note: "The Northern Cameroons, which the Sardauna LGA of Taraba State constitutes a part, was neither a colony nor protectorate of Northern Nigeria, but a mandate of the League of Nations (1922 to 1945) and later, a trusteeship territory of the United Nations (1945-1961) handed to Britain to administer after Germany was defeated by the allied forces in the First and the Second World Wars. At the close of colonisation and the independence of most African countries, particularly the British colony, Nigeria and the French colony, Cameroon in 1960, the political future of the Northern Cameroons was not decided until the plebiscite of 1961 conducted under the supervision of the United Nations. The plebiscite impacted on the cooperate existence of the various ethnic groups, who on equal bases voted to join Nigeria, by creating identity question that have become a post-colonial dilemma in the area." '(source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299580282_The_United_Nations_Plebiscites_in_the_Northern_Cameroons_Post-_Colonial_Issues_and_Challenges_in_Sardauna_Local_Government_Area_of_Taraba_State_Nigeria") Sorry for burdening you with too much reading; read this too: The British-controlled southern Cameroons was then separated from Nigeria and was due to achieve full independence on October 1 1961. But there was a hitch: the United Nations organised a plebiscite in which southern Cameroonians were asked to chose between joining the Cameroun Republic or Nigeria. This vote was prompted by a British report that insisted its former territory would not survive economically on its own. (source: http://theconversation.com/history-explains-why-cameroon-is-at-war-with-itself-over-language-and-culture-85401) This can now take me to the 4th 4. What was done then was not referendum (although a kind) but plebiscite - meaning what is conducted to determine change in sovereignty. Not a referendum leading staying alone. note if it is not conducted by that time, the people will still be under their respective protectorate. 5. Finally, it was the UK and not the Britain that permitted the referendum in Scotland and there is referendum bill in Scotland law which is not binding in the general law of UK. THANKS A LOT BRO. |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Chemcrown: 6:21pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
3rdeyeNigeria: Point of correction, never recourse to insult because nobody can monopolise it. I am referring to your low IQ utterance. Now to the discourse, we can all see the jamboree and dances along embrace by the populace with respect to Kanu ranting. If Kanu eventually entered Abuja and brought back the head Buhari as promised, you want the people to believe that it is the single action of Kanu and not the ibos. Then there is no moral justification for the ibos for blaming the Yorubas for the actions of Tinubu, Awolowo (betrayal issue). And you will never see any Yoruba man castigating their actions likewise, the Hausas. When someone is a public figure, he becomes people's voice EXCEPT the people come out to reject him enmass. Lastly, I don't take insult lightly and I can throw decorum to the wind if I see a challenge. Thanks. |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Deadlytruth(m): 6:41pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
3rdeyeNigeria: The example of instance you gave is not really analogous to the case in question. The difference here is that Okorocha's possible conspiracy with soldiers to kill the president would definitely not be known to the public to warrant other tribes asking why didn't Igbos impeach him while he did it. But Zik's advocacy against secession clause and his one Nigeria sloganeering were all out in the open with his fellow Igbos in the parliament cheering him on and terming him a nationalist while helping him hang the 'tribalist' label on the necks of those who chose to face the reality of the non-workability of Nigeria. 1 Like |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by 3rdeyeNigeria: 7:04pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
Chemcrown: I never said you had low IQ, far from that. What I said was, which is infact statistically true that Nigeria and Black Race are just too tribalistic, it goes beyond Yoruba and Igbo. They was a Hutu and Tsuti (if am correct) genocide Etc. Back to the discourse.. I have a friend from Bayelsa that bitterly told me that he Hated yoruba's... (true story) I askd him why? , he said they betrayed the south, voted Buhari bla bla bla. I then ask him if he had seen the final Inec result of the election? He said no. I open my phone then and showed him.. In Lagos about 500k lagosians voted GEJ against 700k Buhari Same as other states it was marginal, PDP even won in Ekiti.. Yoruba actually voted for GEJ also. I have to school him on the error and danger of generalisation and falacy. Nigerians and Africa must develop our intelligence Quotient to a point where we judge people base on their individual action or comment not based on stereotype or what someone somewhere did. That some not-too-expose people are hating your tribe and you as an individual for what Awolowo did (which is the problem am talking about) not based on your actions or words is wrong (totally) and you joining them to do it is like playing in the mud with pigs. Kanu was insulting everybody, the best option was to handle him as an individual without making it seems it was a war against Igbos... Igbos would had thank Buhari for it. Immediately it becomes a scheme to attack Igbos, neutral Igbos in the north hustling Everyone closed rank... And that single act elevated Kanu. Lastly, Group like IPOB have become radicalized, go to facebook, you see how they insult anyone that tries to caution their extreme approach. soon now or later the would become violent instead of Nigeria to isolate finely first and flush out IPOB( because a neutral Igbo don't want succession) rather they would as usual group them as Igbos... Then you see neutral Igbos joining ranks with IPOB fanatics to defend themselves from Nigeria fanatisim |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Grayxme: 7:07pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
Petty Campaign...Atiku is now claiming to know everything all of a sudden. What did he do differently when he was in office? Nigerians are wiser |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by 3rdeyeNigeria: 7:22pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
Deadlytruth: Nnamdi Azikiwe is guilty as charged, same as those half baked educated Igbos on the parliament. Now my point... My grandfather was alive then, he was a community head. He wasn't educated. He was more involved in his local domain politics till the counter coup progrom started. It was the wake up call. He was never part and parcel of Zik arraingment, Zik grew up in the north, started his political career in Lagos. Him and his fellow political jobbers from the east never made any popular decision nor decision that would promote the Igbo tribe as you are painting it. If you say Zik made mistake in insisting on one Nigeria that was not workable out of lust for power , you are right 100% But if you say "Igbos" made the mistake because the son, their daughter, their adoption son, their kinsman, their legislator Who is an independent Soul, human being made a decision out of personal greed it makes every Igbo man complicit because they share one tribe (perhaps to your philosophy one brain and one conscience) then they is a problem somewhere. |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by gidgiddy: 7:59pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
Chemcrown: Wether you call it referendum or plebiscite, it is still a situation where people are voting to leave one political situation for another. Nigeria did not have any laws on referendum or plebiscite when it gained Northern British cameroon. If they had no law to gain, how can they have laws not to lose territory 5. Finally, it was the UK and not the Britain that permitted the referendum in Scotland and there is referendum bill in Scotland law which is not binding in the general law of UK. The UK is the same thing as Britain. The UK is just the name that reminds people that Britain is made up of 3 united kingdoms. Britain has no laws on referendum but the British parliament granted Scotland a referendum based on the fact that the Scottish parliament had passed the same vote. The UK also used referendum once again in 2016 to leave the EU |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Chigold101(m): 8:02pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
chiteny:it's not on record that the lifeless one ever made such a promise. The only thing on record is that he promised to fight corruption |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Chigold101(m): 8:03pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
thirdi:and who talked about division? Where is division coming in from in my comment? |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Chigold101(m): 8:06pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
FunkyAlhaji2015:in the shortest possible way... Devolution of power... States taking their Destiny into their hands... A weak center... Then going to Abuja every other month with begging plates in the hands of governors stopped... |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Chemcrown: 9:17pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
gidgiddy: I still stand to be corrected that those people (Cameroun/Nigeria) you claimed voted in referendum didn't do so in reference to your own kind of referendum. Again, what law backed BRITAIN exit from EU - article 50 of Lisbon treaty. What makes referendum conducted by Scottish government possible - law in the Scottish parliament. And Brexit is not like exiting from a country but existing from a union operating seemingly like a country. Thanks |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Deadlytruth(m): 9:37pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
3rdeyeNigeria: You seem to be of the opinion that Zik elected himself to the parliament. It was a democratic era, and democracy is all about collective responsibility and law of agency. 1 Like |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Chemcrown: 9:47pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
3rdeyeNigeria: Your Bayelsian friend only picked one of the many reasons Igbos hate Yoruba and you drawn out statistical evidence to prove him that Buhari marginal won in some south-west regions. How do you defend a scenario where Awolowo is labelled a murderer for his policy on food supply to the then Biafra and the whole Yoruba are looped into mess (I fully support his action when I read the justification for that). How will you stand to defend the Yorubas when the majority of the Ibos believe that it is not Tinubu's constitutional right to merge his party together with others (and I still support it calling it political wisdom.) See, what make an action all tribe action is the support or rejection he/she receives from his tribesmen. In Yoruba we have a saying that "Ti ara ile eni ba n je kokoro, ti a ko ba sofun, ere un run o ni je ka sun nigba to ba dele tan" (when one's neighbour is eating ant and he is not warned, the after-effect will not permit sleep for everybody). For example, when Ezeogwu killed Ahmadu Bello, there was a wild jubilation in the north and you want the northerner to believe that it is Ezeogwu only that must be held responsible. When Jonathan lost the election, there was a wild jubilation in my area here and you want me to believe the Yorubas in my area not supporting Tinubu for merging (I support him too). In any political move, you carry your tribesmen along. That's is the way it is been done in any country where there are many tribes. Thanks. |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by jpphilips(m): 11:40pm On Nov 16, 2018 |
Xander85: You think Atiku is not a core northern elite abi? Continue f00ling yourself. 2 Likes |
Re: Atiku Reveals How Boko Haram Was Formed, Speaks On Nnamdi Kanu, Dasuki by Zila306: 5:50pm On Jun 29, 2021 |
With angelic charisma, the BEAST, taketh the throne. |
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