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Barristter07:
" Likeness of MEN " Plural

Are men sinners or perfect ?



Somersault ,

Jesus said NOBODY knows , Does this not prove holy spirit is not a person ?

If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

Hahahahaha



The Red says it all . so much for comprehension.



You are feeling the heat , sorry.

Truth is bitter I guess.

Both Jesus and the angels are termed " Sons of God "

Why? They are all created. Unless you mean angels are not created.

" Begotten ". Doesnt change this fact . Abraham has many other Sons as well , but only Isaac was regarded as begotten , it never means Isaac was NOT procreated by sexual intercourse like all other sons

The question I asked about How Yahweh created Abraham wasn't foolish, its because you saw it would wound you .

Same person claiming Isaac isn't created by could Claim Abraham is a created being. , Did Terah Create Abraham or Beget him ? If he was begotten too, why do you Still say Abraham was Created? !!!

Face the fact

Geoffreymgk:
Are you a Former JW

OneJ:
Wikipedia gives exposure to your lies & forgeries in the holy scriptures U are sharing to deceive gullible people
Mr Twister,
The son sits on Yahweh's throne, don't twist it there.
Jesus said the throne is for Yahweh his Father(Rev 3:12,21) & "therefore Yahweh, your God anointed. thee (Jesus) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows" (companions, sons of God, ( Angels) Heb 1:8,9& Ps 45:7
1 chr 28:5. Luke 1:31-33

Barristter07:
" Likeness of MEN " Plural

Are men sinners or perfect ?



Somersault ,

Jesus said NOBODY knows , Does this not prove holy spirit is not a person ?

If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

Hahahahaha



The Red says it all . so much for comprehension.



You are feeling the heat , sorry.

Truth is bitter I guess.

Both Jesus and the angels are termed " Sons of God "

Why? They are all created. Unless you mean angels are not created.

" Begotten ". Doesnt change this fact . Abraham has many other Sons as well , but only Isaac was regarded as begotten , it never means Isaac was NOT procreated by sexual intercourse like all other sons

The question I asked about How Yahweh created Abraham wasn't foolish, its because you saw it would wound you .

Same person claiming Isaac isn't created by could Claim Abraham is a created being. , Did Terah Create Abraham or Beget him ? If he was begotten too, why do you Still say Abraham was Created? !!!

Face the fact

Hairyrapunzel:
If having true Christians means there is also false Christians, Jesus is a false god since you say Jesus is a god, and there is only one True God called jehovah.

Therefore since there is only one true God then all other gods are false. Jesus is a false god too.

TATIME:
True Christians never gave themselves a name back then. Of course if Jesus gave a name,all the religions of the earth today that knows about that name will adopt it.
Jesus only gave instructions and those strictly following His orders are the true Christians, no matter what they call themselves.

zodiakzax:
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You have obviously failed to address my points, so let me put it back so you can drink water and read them again. Obviously your head is aching from reading so take a deep breath and read again.. but before that let me answer as I am good at reading your posts and carefully answering everything you throw at me.



In the likeness of men? You said plural,

Well As block headed as you are, if men isn't referring to mankind or human being then I will be as foolish and block headed as you are to also say Adam wasn't alone in the garden, He was with Eve two perfect human beings, so plural works for me..

Oooooo block headed JW will then say because they said men it's a male figure and not female. that's how silly you sound..anyways

NIV Phil 2:7
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.


Phil 2:7

Good News Translation
Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness

So there we have it, likeness of men is indeed human beings. Be careful how your answer bruv, you might just insult your NWT. Just giving you heads up


Now you asked

Jesus said NOBODY knows , Does this not prove holy spirit is not a person ?

If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

As busy as I was I took my time to explain thinking perhaps he will understand, or perhaps he will see his flaws but He stupidly ignores my statements and asks a question I have already answered. Seems you want me to say something that isn't there. Well for the sake of my readers let me post my answer here again


You asked a "million in one Question" that did the Spirit Know, I pointed out to you that Yes He did because He knows the thoughts of God.... 


Let me Ellaborate this very well to your block headed level

For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 2:11 NIV

Point A. Who knows your thoughts?
Answer: No one except Your Spirit
So apact from your Spirit no one knows your thoughts. Your Spirit Knows EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU

Point B. Who knows God's thoughts?
Answer: No one except the Spirit of God

So apact from God's Spirit no one knows His thoughts. GOD'S Spirit Knows EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM including the time.

You asked: If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

My answer:


To further continue your stupidity after rejecting the Word of God, the verse that says the Spirit Knows the thoughts of God hence knowing the time, you continued by saying Christ said no one knows except the Father.

Now get this The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is the same as Him and that was why Paul said who knoweth the thoughts of a man except the Spirit of man within him.. Likewise The Spirit of God that was within God, who wasn't yet made Manifest to the Church was and is one with God...

The Holy Spirit was sent to us and was made Manifest to the Church , He is the allos parakletos (John 14:16) meaning
‘another of the same kind’ as Christ, in contrast to ‘heteros’ meaning ‘another of a different kind’. So Jesus after leaving sent us the Holy Spirit. So the Spirit who wasnt fully made manifest could not have been mentioned.

So the Holy Spirit took over COMPLETELY AS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY WHEN JESUS SENT HIM. SO JESUS COULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS THE SAME GOD HE WAS REFERRING TO AS KNOWING THE TIME.



Now

YOU CLAIM JESUS DIDNT KNOW THE TIME EVEN AFTER RESURRECTION

I asked if He said He didn't know? And I quoted the verse you cited

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 
Acts 1:6‭-‬7 KJV

JESUS NEVER said [b]it is not for you and I [/b]to know the times or the seasons which the Father has put in His own Power but rather He said it is not for YOU to know.... 

When asked the same Question before the resurrection Jesus clearly says He doesnt know, why didn't he say the same?

JESUS NEVER CLAIMED HE DIDNT KNOW FROM THE VERSE ABOVE HE ONLY SAID IT WAS IN THE FATHERS OWN POWER.

So you make no sense, common sense and logic tells me that Jesus did not say he didn't know... which you obviously lack..


Now you said

You are feeling the heat , sorry: irrelevant, just a a way to release your pressure

Truth is bitter I guess: well seems you are talking about yourself since you were the one basing your arguments on Assumption.



You again after ignoring the truth if the scriptures and the bible continue to say


"Both Jesus and the angels are termed " Sons of God "

Let me answer you

No Jesus is not termed son of God He is the begotten Son of God.

I proved it you, which you pushed aside, ignored scripture and still hold on to your fallacy, what does it say about you? You are so brain washed that when exposed to the truth, you prefer to still hold on and sleep in your falsehood. it's sad,very sad, you go to the extent of Rejecting scripture just to make a point.

Let me point out what I said


For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:5‭-‬8 KJV


The writer of Hebrews didn't see it that way, no Angel was begotten of God as a Son. No angel was the Begotten Son of God. If there is kindly show me. Hebrews is clear that THE SON IS NOT AN ANGEL AND THAT THE SON IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN ONE. PERIOD UNLESS YOU DISAGREE WITH THE WRITER HENCE DISAGREEING WITH THR SCRIPTURE

I said No angel is the begotten Son of God. You keep on saying Angels are sons of God, that is not the point, the point is NO ANGEL IS THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

So why do you continue to make a fool out of yourself when clearly you cannot show where angels are the begotten sons of God.

I pointed out to you that Jesus was not begotten when He became a man but was begotten before he walked the Earth


New American Standard Bible John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him


You have failed to see the verse and to akmowledge it.

Your question:

Why? They are all created. Unless you mean angels are not created.

Answer: irrelevant, because Jesus is the Begotten Son hence was begotten not created.. stupid question.. I being even stupid answering you...

Also,


You asked a silly question that who were the fellows referred to in heb 2:9,

I answered


There were no fellows when Father Brought forth the Son, when the Son was begotten nothing was present, no creation was present, infact it was through the Son that All things were created. So where were the fellows then?

You see how stupidity leads You to ask foolish questions..


And from all verses and scripture I stated

So yes angels are the sons of God BUT NO ANGEL IS THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. PERIOD.


YOU OBVIOUSLY IGNORED TO TALK ABOUT IT SO I ASSUME YOUR QUESTION WAS STUPID AND SHOULD NOT BE REPEATED AGAIN.


Now on our Topic which you completely ignored to answer

JESUS NEVER said he was the Son of God when He walked this earth.

Good, now you understand my question after so long, 

   You run back to revelation because You clearly can't answer John 10 which you were so sure of since we started this argument, Now evident you are doubting yourself, let me tell this, we know what we talk of and what claims we make. You obviously don't know what you talk of.

I pointed out to you that Jesus Never said He was the Son of God when He walked the Earth. After resurrection Jesus says He's the Son of God and not only that, He said He's the first and the last, Alpha and Omega, beginning and the End, the source of God's creation, Jesus now assumes His position as God. On Earth he did not equal Himself to God but He humbled himself. 

I asked you where He made that statement

Your answer: John said there many things he did that were not on record.

    So now you assumed He said it, you are arguing based on Assumption now   , well since it's not in OUR SCRIPTURE THAT HE SAID THAT then it cannot be proven hence your answer makes no sense.


MR ASSUMPTION WHY DIDNT YOU TALK ABOUT THIS?


Now more interesting stuffs:

You said:

" Begotten ". Doesnt change this fact . Abraham has many other Sons as well , but only Isaac was regarded as begotten , it never means Isaac was NOT procreated by sexual intercourse like all other sons.


Good now we both agree on something, that is Isaac was not the only Son of Abraham. Now let me break it down for you

You claim
" Begotten ". Doesnt change this fact . Abraham has many other Sons as well , but only Isaac was regarded as begotten". I accept so Why was Isaac the begotten Son even though He wasnt the only Son? By the way (Here you answer your self, so even though the angels are called Sons of God, Jesus is called the begotten Son of God just as isaac was Abrahams begotten even though He had other Sons.)


You said, "it never means Isaac was NOT procreated by sexual intercourse like all other sons": Well Isaac was indeed procreated by sexual intercourse just like the other Sons i never doubted that... what I said was ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC.

But,

Here is the problem, Yahweh didnt have many sons and He chose one as the begotten, going according to your own demonic doctrines you claim God created other things Including Angels through Jesus the "Archangel Michael" ( ) So from your own doctrine Jesus Michael was the only son present with God, no other being was created, Jesus Michael was his unique Son, begotten son, yet created, and after Jesus Michael God created the other angels through Jesus Michael who was also an angel. Hope I'm making sense, honestly I'm confused myself, but let's go on, so according to your own doctrine Jesus Michael wasn't selected among the other Sons because no other creation was present.... so why did you cite that example to support your claim when the analogy goes against your very beliefs....


New American Standard Bible John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him



Now getting back into my senses, it is evident from scripture above that, Jesus was begotten of God before creation, Yahweh brought forth the Son, Yahweh generated the Son. But Yahweh did not create the Son. I made this quite clear in my long statement. But obviously Barristter07 failed to akmowledge it as he's doing to scripture itself.



Again false Jw continues

The question I asked about How Yahweh created Abraham wasn't foolish, its because you saw it would wound you .

Same person claiming Isaac isn't created by could Claim Abraham is a created being. , Did Terah Create Abraham or Beget him ? If he was begotten too, why do you Still say Abraham was Created? !!!



And Terah beget Abraham, well Adam also beget Seth, Seth beget Enos, and beget sons and daughters, have you seen they beget sons and daughters?

Was Abraham the begotten son of Terrah? No .... this is how foolish you've become bro... just because King James has been written in Primitive old English and uses the word beget so you assume it's referring to the Begotten Son as used with Isaac and Jesus.... let's just follow your stupidity,.let's assume All of Adam's sons and generation was begotten, Since Adam was a created being, all man kind is created. Also it was humans that begot them not God and since all humans are created beings all sons begotten by these humans are created BY God.

Well if you were reading carefully I said Isaac wasn't created by ABRAHAM not by Yahweh, here is what I said


About Abraham and his begotten son Isaac,

I said 

Monogenes : begotten

Beget is to procreate or generate 


Isaac was Abrahams begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. He asks how did Abraham beget Isaac, 
My answer 

through sexual intercourse of course, and I said BUT ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. 

LIKEWISE GOD BROUGHT FORTH THE SON, GENERATED THE SON, BEGET THE SON. GOD DID NOT CREATE THE SON, JUST LIKE ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC EVEN THOUGH ISAAC WAS HIS BEGOTTEN SON.

Ignoring that He asked a rather stupid and irrelevant question, is Isaac created? 

To answer that:

Isaac was Abraham's begotten Son and not Yahweh's begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. YAHWEH CREATED ABRAHAM SO YES YAHWEH CREATED ISAAC. Using the same analogy 

GOD BROUGHT FORTH THE SON, GENERATED THE SON, BEGET THE SON. GOD DID NOT CREATE THE SON.YAHWEH IS NOT CREATED SO THE SON CANNOT BE CREATED. 

So I've pointed out that since Isaac was Abraham's begotten and not Yahweh's he is a created being since Abraham his father is created but Jesus was the begotten Son of Yahweh not Abraham and since Yahweh is not created the Son cannot be created


He failed to read and get sense so he keeps making a fool.out of himself. To my readers, Since I don't want to quote out of context and to expose the lies if these false Christians, my statements are quite lengthy so kindly bare with me..

brocab:
Are you or are you not a JW? JW''s believe Michael is Jesus--you can not be a JW and disbelieve their doctrine at the same time, you are either a JW and believe all their doctrines, if not-then you are a false JW to the JW's?
JW's expect everybody to be evenly yoke together-firstly you swear black and blue for the JW's now you have denied them in word-you can't preach your own beliefs and preach their beliefs together, both doctrines will fall..
This has got nothing to do with your beliefs but I might as well show you how the bible explains your denial against the JW's..
{ 2 John 1:9} Do you not know that if anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son.
You have neither the Father nor the Son-you don't accept JW' teachings of Michael is Jesus-with your own beliefs, and yet you have used the wheat and the tares doctrine as your way out to save you from what? I can see you in the street standing with another JW arguing over Michael and Jesus-because you both can't decide what is Watchtower truth?

Gruni1234:
I'm a new comer, new to this place actually but my interest on your discussion became peeked high when,after I typed the words trinity, saw your thread with over 100 replies and responds. Spent some few hours catching up on the latest. Well I'm more of a learner and to ascertain truth for myself I have to be neutral and open minded to understand your remarks. I am on a quest to see if God does exist or not.

TATIME:
True Christians never gave themselves a name back then. Of course if Jesus gave a name,all the religions of the earth today that knows about that name will adopt it.
Jesus only gave instructions and those strictly following His orders are the true Christians, no matter what they call themselves.

Hairyrapunzel:
If having true Christians means there is also false Christians, Jesus is a false god since you say Jesus is a god, and there is only one True God called jehovah.

Therefore since there is only one true God then all other gods are false. Jesus is a false god too.

zodiakzax:
They are a confused bunch..

haywizzy007:
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You have obviously failed to address my points, so let me put it back so you can drink water and read them again. Obviously your head is aching from reading so take a deep breath and read again.. but before that let me answer as I am good at reading your posts and carefully answering everything you throw at me.



In the likeness of men? You said plural,

Well As block headed as you are, if men isn't referring to mankind or human being then I will be as foolish and block headed as you are to also say Adam wasn't alone in the garden, He was with Eve two perfect human beings, so plural works for me..

Oooooo block headed JW will then say because they said men it's a male figure and not female. that's how silly you sound..anyways

NIV Phil 2:7
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.


Phil 2:7

Good News Translation
Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness

So there we have it, likeness of men is indeed human beings. Be careful how your answer bruv, you might just insult your NWT. Just giving you heads up


Now you asked

Jesus said NOBODY knows , Does this not prove holy spirit is not a person ?

If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

As busy as I was I took my time to explain thinking perhaps he will understand, or perhaps he will see his flaws but He stupidly ignores my statements and asks a question I have already answered. Seems you want me to say something that isn't there. Well for the sake of my readers let me post my answer here again


You asked a "million in one Question" that did the Spirit Know, I pointed out to you that Yes He did because He knows the thoughts of God.... 


Let me Ellaborate this very well to your block headed level

For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 2:11 NIV

Point A. Who knows your thoughts?
Answer: No one except Your Spirit
So apact from your Spirit no one knows your thoughts. Your Spirit Knows EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU

Point B. Who knows God's thoughts?
Answer: No one except the Spirit of God

So apact from God's Spirit no one knows His thoughts. GOD'S Spirit Knows EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM including the time.

You asked: If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

My answer:


To further continue your stupidity after rejecting the Word of God, the verse that says the Spirit Knows the thoughts of God hence knowing the time, you continued by saying Christ said no one knows except the Father.

Now get this The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is the same as Him and that was why Paul said who knoweth the thoughts of a man except the Spirit of man within him.. Likewise The Spirit of God that was within God, who wasn't yet made Manifest to the Church was and is one with God...

The Holy Spirit was sent to us and was made Manifest to the Church , He is the allos parakletos (John 14:16) meaning
‘another of the same kind’ as Christ, in contrast to ‘heteros’ meaning ‘another of a different kind’. So Jesus after leaving sent us the Holy Spirit. So the Spirit who wasnt fully made manifest could not have been mentioned.

So the Holy Spirit took over COMPLETELY AS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY WHEN JESUS SENT HIM. SO JESUS COULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS THE SAME GOD (BEING ONE WITH THE FATHER)HE WAS REFERRING TO AS KNOWING THE TIME


I guess there are different versions of the the trinity dogma
This guy's version says Holy Spirit became part of the trinity when Jesus sent him..lol

From your post, you said the "spirit of God is the same as God". You later said that same spirit (GOD) became part of trinity after Jesus sent him.

No offense bro, you are the one appearing foolish here, Read your write-ups aloud next time before you post

zodiakzax:
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You have obviously failed to address my points, so let me put it back so you can drink water and read them again. Obviously your head is aching from reading so take a deep breath and read again.. but before that let me answer as I am good at reading your posts and carefully answering everything you throw at me.



In the likeness of men? You said plural,

Well As block headed as you are, if men isn't referring to mankind or human being then I will be as foolish and block headed as you are to also say Adam wasn't alone in the garden, He was with Eve two perfect human beings, so plural works for me..

Oooooo block headed JW will then say because they said men it's a male figure and not female. that's how silly you sound..anyways

NIV Phil 2:7
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.


Phil 2:7

Good News Translation
Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness

So there we have it, likeness of men is indeed human beings. Be careful how your answer bruv, you might just insult your NWT. Just giving you heads up


Now you asked

Jesus said NOBODY knows , Does this not prove holy spirit is not a person ?

If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

As busy as I was I took my time to explain thinking perhaps he will understand, or perhaps he will see his flaws but He stupidly ignores my statements and asks a question I have already answered. Seems you want me to say something that isn't there. Well for the sake of my readers let me post my answer here again


You asked a "million in one Question" that did the Spirit Know, I pointed out to you that Yes He did because He knows the thoughts of God.... 


Let me Ellaborate this very well to your block headed level

For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 2:11 NIV

Point A. Who knows your thoughts?
Answer: No one except Your Spirit
So apact from your Spirit no one knows your thoughts. Your Spirit Knows EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU

Point B. Who knows God's thoughts?
Answer: No one except the Spirit of God

So apact from God's Spirit no one knows His thoughts. GOD'S Spirit Knows EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM including the time.

You asked: If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

My answer:


To further continue your stupidity after rejecting the Word of God, the verse that says the Spirit Knows the thoughts of God hence knowing the time, you continued by saying Christ said no one knows except the Father.

Now get this The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is the same as Him and that was why Paul said who knoweth the thoughts of a man except the Spirit of man within him.. Likewise The Spirit of God that was within God, who wasn't yet made Manifest to the Church was and is one with God...

The Holy Spirit was sent to us and was made Manifest to the Church , He is the allos parakletos (John 14:16) meaning
‘another of the same kind’ as Christ, in contrast to ‘heteros’ meaning ‘another of a different kind’. So Jesus after leaving sent us the Holy Spirit. So the Spirit who wasnt fully made manifest could not have been mentioned.

So the Holy Spirit took over COMPLETELY AS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY WHEN JESUS SENT HIM. SO JESUS COULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS THE SAME GOD (BEING ONE WITH THE FATHER)HE WAS REFERRING TO AS KNOWING THE TIME.



Now

YOU CLAIM JESUS DIDNT KNOW THE TIME EVEN AFTER RESURRECTION

I asked if He said He didn't know? And I quoted the verse you cited

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 
Acts 1:6‭-‬7 KJV

JESUS NEVER said [b]it is not for you and I [/b]to know the times or the seasons which the Father has put in His own Power but rather He said it is not for YOU to know.... 

When asked the same Question before the resurrection Jesus clearly says He doesnt know, why didn't he say the same?

JESUS NEVER CLAIMED HE DIDNT KNOW FROM THE VERSE ABOVE HE ONLY SAID IT WAS IN THE FATHERS OWN POWER.

So you make no sense, common sense and logic tells me that Jesus did not say he didn't know... which you obviously lack..

haywizzy007:
I guess there are different versions of the the trinity dogma
This guy's version says Holy Spirit became part of the trinity when Jesus sent him..lol
From your post, you said the "spirit of God is the same as God". You later said that same spirit (GOD) became part of trinity after Jesus sent him.
No offense bro, you are the one appearing foolish here, Read your write-ups aloud next time before you post

Crysthaniel:
Micah 5: 2-4
points that Jehovah is the God of Jesus..
no doubts
The Account of 1Timoty 2:5 says that:
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus

And let's meditate on the Account of Acts 4:24-30 here the apostles prayed to Jehovah .. they even addressed Jesus as a servant of Jehovah..if we are to be real, this account refutes the Trinity doctrine effectively

Hairyrapunzel:
If having true Christians means there is also false Christians, Jesus is a false god since you say Jesus is a god, and there is only one True God called jehovah.

Therefore since there is only one true God then all other gods are false. Jesus is a false god too.

brocab:
If we were to honestly believe the Watchtower has some sort of insight to do with God-none of us would be having this conversation, instead how I understand things to be, is, the JW's have slid on their bellies, trying to claim they are the chosen Watchtower denomination called by God.

haywizzy007:
I guess there are different versions of the the trinity dogma
This guy's version says Holy Spirit became part of the trinity when Jesus sent him..lol
From your post, you said the "spirit of God is the same as God". You later said that same spirit (GOD) became part of trinity after Jesus sent him.
No offense bro, you are the one appearing foolish here, Read your write-ups aloud next time before you post

haywizzy007:
I guess there are different versions of the the trinity dogma
This guy's version says Holy Spirit became part of the trinity when Jesus sent him..lol
From your post, you said the "spirit of God is the same as God". You later said that same spirit (GOD) became part of trinity after Jesus sent him.
No offense bro, you are the one appearing foolish here, Read your write-ups aloud next time before you post

zodiakzax:
Again before you make yourself so stupid,, kindly tell me the version of the trinity you know...please

haywizzy007:
I guess there are different versions of the the trinity dogma
This guy's version says Holy Spirit became part of the trinity when Jesus sent him..lol
From your post, you said the "spirit of God is the same as God". You later said that same spirit (GOD) became part of trinity after Jesus sent him.
No offense bro, you are the one appearing foolish here, Read your write-ups aloud next time before you post

TATIME:
Thanks for effort made! The meaning of the title "GOD" could be found in any dictionary,and if you carefully read through it you'll notice that the title has many meanings not just one.
God said to Moses at Exodus 7:1 "i have made you god to Pharaoh" of course Moses wasn't a false god, neither was he to be worshipped. So what does that statement connotes? Moses will become the one RULING Pharaoh by forcing him to change certain orders and nobody dare stand before Pharaoh to do such expect the deities that he himself revered back then. Therefore Moses becomes the one giving orders while Pharaoh is the one sitting on the throne, that's exactly how people fear the deities much more than a mortal man!
Moses later told the Israelites that God will raise another PROPHET like himself in the midst of the Israelites and they must all listen to him.
There are so much similarities between Moses and Jesus.
(1) Moses is the first human to perform miracles, while Jesus perform the greatest of all miracles.
(2) Moses served as the mediator of a covenant just as Jesus served as the mediator of the new covenant.
(3) Moses was alone for 40 days and 40 nights the same as Jesus.
(4) Children as contemporaries of Moses were slaughtered during Moses' birth the same as Jesus.
(5) Moses became a law giver as everyone refers to the Mosaic law just as Jesus became another law giver that surpasses the Mosaic law.
So when Moses said God will raise another Prophet "like himself" Israelites were eagerly anticipating a SAVIOR from the bondage of Roman dominance just like the way Moses freed them under Egypt! Deuteronomy 18:15

Barristter07:
Comprehension issues, Explain the term " Lord of heaven and earth "

And lets see if Jesus didn't call him Lord



Meanwhile, don't digress from the original issue which is the one sent at Isaiah 48:16 is not Yahweh, Yahweh has No Lord but the one sent calls him Lord..

zodiakzax:
Jesus called Him Father... show to me where he called Him LORD or MASTER ? ... Well Jesus to is also Lord of heaven And Earth... but show me where he called the Father My Lord or My master?


You said

Meanwhile, don't digress from the original issue which is the one sent at Isaiah 48:16 is not Yahweh, Yahweh has No Lord but the one sent calls him Lord..



Going back to a lost fight to make a point.


Okay so to answer you kindly tell me Who was the one sent and Who was the Speaker? YAHWEH or ISAIAH?

zodiakzax:
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You have obviously failed to address my points, so let me put it back so you can drink water and read them again. Obviously your head is aching from reading so take a deep breath and read again.. but before that let me answer as I am good at reading your posts and carefully answering everything you throw at me.



In the likeness of men? You said plural,

Well As block headed as you are, if men isn't referring to mankind or human being then I will be as foolish and block headed as you are to also say Adam wasn't alone in the garden, He was with Eve two perfect human beings, so plural works for me..

Oooooo block headed JW will then say because they said men it's a male figure and not female. that's how silly you sound..anyways

NIV Phil 2:7
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.


Phil 2:7

Good News Translation
Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness

So there we have it, likeness of men is indeed human beings. Be careful how your answer bruv, you might just insult your NWT. Just giving you heads up


Now you asked

Jesus said NOBODY knows , Does this not prove holy spirit is not a person ?

If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

As busy as I was I took my time to explain thinking perhaps he will understand, or perhaps he will see his flaws but He stupidly ignores my statements and asks a question I have already answered. Seems you want me to say something that isn't there. Well for the sake of my readers let me post my answer here again


You asked a "million in one Question" that did the Spirit Know, I pointed out to you that Yes He did because He knows the thoughts of God.... 


Let me Ellaborate this very well to your block headed level

For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 2:11 NIV

Point A. Who knows your thoughts?
Answer: No one except Your Spirit
So apact from your Spirit no one knows your thoughts. Your Spirit Knows EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU

Point B. Who knows God's thoughts?
Answer: No one except the Spirit of God

So apact from God's Spirit no one knows His thoughts. GOD'S Spirit Knows EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM including the time.

You asked: If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

My answer:


To further continue your stupidity after rejecting the Word of God, the verse that says the Spirit Knows the thoughts of God hence knowing the time, you continued by saying Christ said no one knows except the Father.

Now get this The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is the same as Him and that was why Paul said who knoweth the thoughts of a man except the Spirit of man within him.. Likewise The Spirit of God that was within God, who wasn't yet made Manifest to the Church was and is one with God...

The Holy Spirit was sent to us and was made Manifest to the Church , He is the allos parakletos (John 14:16) meaning
‘another of the same kind’ as Christ, in contrast to ‘heteros’ meaning ‘another of a different kind’. So Jesus after leaving sent us the Holy Spirit. So the Spirit who wasnt fully made manifest could not have been mentioned.

So the Holy Spirit took over COMPLETELY AS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY WHEN JESUS SENT HIM. SO JESUS COULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS THE SAME GOD (BEING ONE WITH THE FATHER)HE WAS REFERRING TO AS KNOWING THE TIME.



Now

YOU CLAIM JESUS DIDNT KNOW THE TIME EVEN AFTER RESURRECTION

I asked if He said He didn't know? And I quoted the verse you cited

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 
Acts 1:6‭-‬7 KJV

JESUS NEVER said [b]it is not for you and I [/b]to know the times or the seasons which the Father has put in His own Power but rather He said it is not for YOU to know.... 

When asked the same Question before the resurrection Jesus clearly says He doesnt know, why didn't he say the same?

JESUS NEVER CLAIMED HE DIDNT KNOW FROM THE VERSE ABOVE HE ONLY SAID IT WAS IN THE FATHERS OWN POWER.

So you make no sense, common sense and logic tells me that Jesus did not say he didn't know... which you obviously lack..


Now you said

You are feeling the heat , sorry: irrelevant, just a a way to release your pressure

Truth is bitter I guess: well seems you are talking about yourself since you were the one basing your arguments on Assumption.



You again after ignoring the truth if the scriptures and the bible continue to say


"Both Jesus and the angels are termed " Sons of God "

Let me answer you

No Jesus is not termed son of God He is the begotten Son of God.

I proved it you, which you pushed aside, ignored scripture and still hold on to your fallacy, what does it say about you? You are so brain washed that when exposed to the truth, you prefer to still hold on and sleep in your falsehood. it's sad,very sad, you go to the extent of Rejecting scripture just to make a point.

Let me point out what I said


For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:5‭-‬8 KJV


The writer of Hebrews didn't see it that way, no Angel was begotten of God as a Son. No angel was the Begotten Son of God. If there is kindly show me. Hebrews is clear that THE SON IS NOT AN ANGEL AND THAT THE SON IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN ONE. PERIOD UNLESS YOU DISAGREE WITH THE WRITER HENCE DISAGREEING WITH THR SCRIPTURE

I said No angel is the begotten Son of God. You keep on saying Angels are sons of God, that is not the point, the point is NO ANGEL IS THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

So why do you continue to make a fool out of yourself when clearly you cannot show where angels are the begotten sons of God.

I pointed out to you that Jesus was not begotten when He became a man but was begotten before he walked the Earth


New American Standard Bible John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him


You have failed to see the verse and to akmowledge it.

Your question:

Why? They are all created. Unless you mean angels are not created.

Answer: irrelevant, because Jesus is the Begotten Son hence was begotten not created.. stupid question.. I being even stupid answering you...

Also,


You asked a silly question that who were the fellows referred to in heb 2:9,

I answered


There were no fellows when Father Brought forth the Son, when the Son was begotten nothing was present, no creation was present, infact it was through the Son that All things were created. So where were the fellows then?

You see how stupidity leads You to ask foolish questions..


And from all verses and scripture I stated

So yes angels are the sons of God BUT NO ANGEL IS THE BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. PERIOD.


YOU OBVIOUSLY IGNORED TO TALK ABOUT IT SO I ASSUME YOUR QUESTION WAS STUPID AND SHOULD NOT BE REPEATED AGAIN.


Now on our Topic which you completely ignored to answer

JESUS NEVER said he was the Son of God when He walked this earth.

Good, now you understand my question after so long, 

   You run back to revelation because You clearly can't answer John 10 which you were so sure of since we started this argument, Now evident you are doubting yourself, let me tell this, we know what we talk of and what claims we make. You obviously don't know what you talk of.

I pointed out to you that Jesus Never said He was the Son of God when He walked the Earth. After resurrection Jesus says He's the Son of God and not only that, He said He's the first and the last, Alpha and Omega, beginning and the End, the source of God's creation, Jesus now assumes His position as God. On Earth he did not equal Himself to God but He humbled himself. 

I asked you where He made that statement

Your answer: John said there many things he did that were not on record.

    So now you assumed He said it, you are arguing based on Assumption now   , well since it's not in OUR SCRIPTURE THAT HE SAID THAT then it cannot be proven hence your answer makes no sense.


MR ASSUMPTION WHY DIDNT YOU TALK ABOUT THIS?


Now more interesting stuffs:

You said:

" Begotten ". Doesnt change this fact . Abraham has many other Sons as well , but only Isaac was regarded as begotten , it never means Isaac was NOT procreated by sexual intercourse like all other sons.


Good now we both agree on something, that is Isaac was not the only Son of Abraham. Now let me break it down for you

You claim
" Begotten ". Doesnt change this fact . Abraham has many other Sons as well , but only Isaac was regarded as begotten". I accept so Why was Isaac the begotten Son even though He wasnt the only Son? By the way (Here you answer your self, so even though the angels are called Sons of God, Jesus is called the begotten Son of God just as isaac was Abrahams begotten even though He had other Sons.)


You said, "it never means Isaac was NOT procreated by sexual intercourse like all other sons": Well Isaac was indeed procreated by sexual intercourse just like the other Sons i never doubted that... what I said was ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC EVEN THOUGH ISAAC WAS HIS BEGOTTEN SON.

But,

Here is the problem, Yahweh didnt have many sons and He chose one as the begotten, going according to your own demonic doctrines you claim God created other things Including Angels through Jesus the "Archangel Michael" ( ) So from your own doctrine Jesus Michael was the only son present with God, no other being was created, Jesus Michael was his unique Son, begotten son, yet created, and after Jesus Michael God created the other angels through Jesus Michael who was also an angel. Hope I'm making sense, honestly I'm confused myself, but let's go on, so according to your own doctrine Jesus Michael wasn't selected among the other Sons because no other creation was present.... so why did you cite that example to support your claim when the analogy goes against your very beliefs....


New American Standard Bible John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him



Now getting back into my senses, it is evident from scripture above that, Jesus was begotten of God before creation, Yahweh brought forth the Son, Yahweh generated the Son. But Yahweh did not create the Son. I made this quite clear in my long statement. But obviously Barristter07 failed to akmowledge it as he's doing to scripture itself.



Again false Jw continues

The question I asked about How Yahweh created Abraham wasn't foolish, its because you saw it would wound you .

Same person claiming Isaac isn't created by could Claim Abraham is a created being. , Did Terah Create Abraham or Beget him ? If he was begotten too, why do you Still say Abraham was Created? !!!



And Terah beget Abraham, well Adam also beget Seth, Seth beget Enos, and beget sons and daughters, have you seen they beget sons and daughters?

Was Abraham the begotten son of Terrah? No .... this is how foolish you've become bro... just because King James has been written in Primitive old English and uses the word beget so you assume it's referring to the Begotten Son as used with Isaac and Jesus.... let's just follow your stupidity,.let's assume All of Adam's sons and generation was begotten, Since Adam was a created being, all man kind is created. Also it was humans that begot them not God and since all humans are created beings all sons begotten by these humans are created BY God.

Well if you were reading carefully I said Isaac wasn't created by ABRAHAM not by Yahweh, here is what I said


About Abraham and his begotten son Isaac,

I said 

Monogenes : begotten

Beget is to procreate or generate 


Isaac was Abrahams begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. He asks how did Abraham beget Isaac, 
My answer 

through sexual intercourse of course, and I said BUT ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. 

LIKEWISE GOD BROUGHT FORTH THE SON, GENERATED THE SON, BEGET THE SON. GOD DID NOT CREATE THE SON, JUST LIKE ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC EVEN THOUGH ISAAC WAS HIS BEGOTTEN SON.

Ignoring that He asked a rather stupid and irrelevant question, is Isaac created? 

To answer that:

Isaac was Abraham's begotten Son and not Yahweh's begotten Son, Abraham brought forth Isaac, Abraham generated Isaac. ABRAHAM DID NOT CREATE ISAAC. YAHWEH CREATED ABRAHAM SO YES YAHWEH CREATED ISAAC. Using the same analogy 

GOD BROUGHT FORTH THE SON, GENERATED THE SON, BEGET THE SON. GOD DID NOT CREATE THE SON.YAHWEH IS NOT CREATED SO THE SON CANNOT BE CREATED. 

So I've pointed out that since Isaac was Abraham's begotten and not Yahweh's he is a created being since Abraham his father is created but Jesus was the begotten Son of Yahweh not Abraham and since Yahweh is not created the Son cannot be created


He failed to read and get sense so he keeps making a fool.out of himself. To my readers, Since I don't want to quote out of context and to expose the lies if these false Christians, my statements are quite lengthy so kindly bare with me..

Barristter07:
Not just Father , he also calls him " Lord " Matt 11:25 , are you bli.nd or what ?

The moment Jesus calls him " Lord " , it means My Lord
Prove me wrong by Explaining the term " Lord of. Heaven and Earth " and let's see if Jesus isnt calling him his Lord ?

Barristter07:
Defending a lie is not easy,

I will reply shortly in a simple and organized manner

Barristter07:
Not just Father , he also calls him " Lord " Matt 11:25 , are you bli.nd or what ?

The moment Jesus calls him " Lord " , it means My Lord
Prove me wrong by Explaining the term " Lord of. Heaven and Earth " and let's see if Jesus isnt calling him his Lord ?

haywizzy007:
zodiakzax, can you now see Jesus called Yahweh "Lord" at Matthew 11:25?

Mister man, what else do you want?
If you are asked to show a place in the scriptures where Yahweh refers to Jesus as God Almighty, you will start rambling
Trinity dogma is no where taught in the scriptures, it is a satanic teaching meant to obscure who Jesus and His father (Yahweh) really is. Free yourself from this satanic dogma and experience the joy that comes along with it.

Barristter07:
Not just Father , he also calls him " Lord " Matt 11:25 , are you bli.nd or what ?

The moment Jesus calls him " Lord " , it means My Lord
Prove me wrong by Explaining the term " Lord of. Heaven and Earth " and let's see if Jesus isnt calling him his Lord ?