zodiakzax:



yet again you are assuming that Yahweh won't call another Lord because that's what you believe and are taught. But let us allow scripture to talk for itself, we need to know who the writer is in Isaiah 48:16 To determine if Yahweh will call another Lord or not. Clearly it is evident that Yahweh is the Speaker through out and not a single place did Isaiah speak. A point you have nit and cannot prove otherwise.Rightly so Yahweh has no master, we never said Yahweh had a master ... , and all three are one... seems that is still confusing you.


For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Romans 14:11 KJV


That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


What can we ascertain from these verses? That the same Yahweh is speaking,

Yahweh said as long as He lives every knee shall bow to Him,

Yahweh said Every knee shall bow to Jesus

Yahweh said Every tongue shall confess that He Yahweh is God

Yahweh said Every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord

So if Yahweh said Every knee and every tongue shall bow and confess that He is God and later says that about Jesus then Jesus is Yahweh. Yahweh calling Jesus Lord is the same as Him calling Himself Lord and that's what you don't get through that thick skull of yours...


1 cor 15:27 And Phil 2:6 was written by one writer Paul in Corinthians he explained further on the authority Yahweh gave to Christ, Now get this and let is be the final time I say this, Sons are equal in essence and nature with their fathers, but subject to them in rank and authority. Likewise, Jesus as God’s Son is equal to him in essence and nature but subject to him in rank and authority.So Christ is currently enjoying a position of honor in which he is not functioning as the Father’s subordinate, but as one holding equal authority with the Father. It is only at the end of the age that Christ will then assume his role of subordination, a role which was his even before he became man by virtue of his being a Son.


Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was." John 17:5

Here JESUS shared the same glory with the Father but Yahweh said in Isaiah 42:8 that He does not share His glory with anyone not even His Angels, So Jesus claiming to share Yahwehs glory with Him can only make him Yahweh. Yahweh is The Father, Son and Holy Spirit...

Paul who equally wrote Phil 2:9-11 didn't seem it fit to tell us that what he meant was that even though God gave Christ a name that's above every name, the giver is not subject to the receiver, a point he made so clear in Corithians, Paul could have never done that because He was attributing a verse from the old testament to Christ, Isaiah 45:23 which Yahweh attributed to Himself.

And lastly

Jesus is God because He can answer prayers and only God can answer prayers.....

I thank the Lord that people are out there reading and observing our posts...

Barristter07:


A very simple question: Did Jesus know the time of the end ?

That should not be hard for you. If Philippians 2:6 is about SUM . so answer .



Oniro Buruku . Liars

To answer simple question you shift to telling lies that Jesus never said he is the Son of God

@ Bold , Rev 2:18 Did Jesus call himself son of God or not ?

Liars .

Why is Jesus and the angels called " Son of God " but the Father is never referred to with that title ?





Liars . If you didn't mean Nature is not Substance , what do you mean by a human Father and son are equal by Nature, Despite they have different qualities ?

Explain that and let's see If its Sum or Substance.

You think you can just muddle up things for us here , Face the facts!!!

U just started



How was Jesus begotten ?

By creation or Sex.

Face the facts.

Barristter07:


We know you are a liar . so whoever takes your post serious without checking the facts is doing themselves.

Again , The Most high cannot call anyone Lord.

Lack of Bible knowledge is affecting you, Lord means Master! The Most High cannot have a master. have you read where Jesus used the Fact that someone higher cannot call another subordinate to him Lord to prove a point at Psalm 110:1 ? Have you ?


Jesus was telling his. Opposers that its impossible for David to call the Messiah " Lord " if he is just a son. He must BE HIGHER than David. They grab the logic and couldn't respond.
( Luke 20:41-44)

Unless u mean Jesus logic is useless. , I stand with Jesus and 1 Cor 15:27 . Its impossible for Yahweh to call anyone Lord . he is the most high!

Argue with Jesus u are free, I guess Jesus is assuming Face the Facts

Barristter07:


We know you are a liar . so whoever takes your post serious without checking the facts is doing themselves.

Again , The Most high cannot call anyone Lord.

Lack of Bible knowledge is affecting you, Lord means Master! The Most High cannot have a master. have you read where Jesus used the Fact that someone higher cannot call another subordinate to him Lord to prove a point at Psalm 110:1 ? Have you ?


Jesus was telling his. Opposers that its impossible for David to call the Messiah " Lord " if he is just a son. He must BE HIGHER than David. They grab the logic and couldn't respond.
( Luke 20:41-44)

Unless u mean Jesus logic is useless. , I stand with Jesus and 1 Cor 15:27 . Its impossible for Yahweh to call anyone Lord . he is the most high!

Argue with Jesus u are free, I guess Jesus is assuming Face the Facts

Gruni1234:


You sir are very rude, I am amazed by your disrespect and if this is how Christians behave then I'm extremely disappointed. Also is there a warning that says, new members shouldn't contribute or follow a thread? If I am a new member are your posts limited to time and date?

I am not here to debate anyone, I am only here to observe, learn, and with sound mind see who has a valid point or not. Which I will continue to do. Have a blessed day.

zodiakzax:


interesting bruv how you understand scriptures, and how you don't understand common logic.

Let me start with this, you claim form is the body, and that God is the same being as Angels because they both have the same body. We see some angels having said to have some number wings and others do not so within the angelic order and beings there are different types of body. You made it clear that since God is Spirit and angels are Spirit they are the same.which is stupidity because you claim God is a being just like the Angels. Now I pointed out to you that if that was the case then your dog is the same as you because your dog is a physical being, having a physical body which isn't different to yours, because you also have a physical body. So if we are to take SUBSTANCE alone then you are the same as your dog. But if we are to take SUM AND SUBSTANCE then you are not the same as your dog because of your nature, you are a higher better kind than your dog. Now concerning your father, you are of the same essense and nature as Him being human and not dogs, Your father is ONLY SUPERIOR TO YOU IN AUTHORITY AND NOT NATURE, Your father even though the same human being as you is greater than you in position not nature. But in comparing you to OTHER SPECIES AND KIND you are different. You and your dad are Human beings. It's just amazing that you still struggle with this..

JESUS calling Himself Son of God... funny that statement was made after He ascended to the Father.

You have no clue what the doctrine of the trinity is and that's why you can't fully understand what we say. Jesus before His death and resurrection never claimed to be the Son of God but rather the Son of man, that was why He never claimed equality with God when He was on the earth but assumed the position of a servant. In Revelation Jesus said I am the first and the last, Alpha and Omega, beginning and the end. In Revelation Jesus claims to be co-equal with the Father and the Father also does the same...

When Thomas called Him my God and My Lord, He should have corrected him by saying no don't call me God as He did with the rich man that called him good master, he immediately said, don't call me good, only one is good that is God. A worthy statement of a humble servant. But He never rebuked Thomas. Christ accepted it.

I think the verse in Hebrews is explanatory enough for us to know that NO ANGEL was begotten as the Son of God.

But for better clarification let me quote Babu G. Ranganathan:

John 1:18 Scripture teaches that Christ is the "only begotten God" (this is the literal translation from the Greek New Testament). The word "begotten" in the passage comes from a Greek word from which we get our English word "generate". To "generate", in the context of how the word is used here, means to "bring forth" out of pre-existing substance, whereas "to create", properly, means to "bring forth" out of nothing. Just as sunlight is generated (begotten) from the Sun but is not created by the Sun, so, too, Christ was generated (begotten) from the Father but was not created by the Father."


From this and the scripture it is evident that the Son was begotten even before the creation of the world. So if He was begotten before the creation and God created All things through Him And for him even angels, then how come you say He's an angel?... ooooo JW's open your eyes and see how the devil is twisting your brains and minds.... I pointed out to you that even on your website on topic on what and who are angels your leaders said All angels including Michael and Gabriel were created through Christ. And later they turn around and tell you Michael is Jesus, how can Jesus create himself? This is how twisted and fooled they've made become...

zodiakzax:



So is God the Lord and Master of Jesus Christ? DID Jesus call God Lord or Master? Kindly answer

zodiakzax:


This is not how Christians behave, this is how the JW's behave when someone sees the truth and confronts them. They became like wild animals. But if you support them they are nice and lovely... hypocrites

Barristter07:

Matt 11:25
At that time Jesus said, "I praise You, Father, Lord


Yahweh remains the Most High ( Psalm 83:18) , The Most HiGh will never call anyone Lord. Higher persons don't refer to subordinate as Lord. Jesus pointed this out. Jesus refer to Yahweh as Lord in the above verse because Jesus is not Yahweh, he is subordinate to him

snnazzy24:
I have a few point against the facts stated about Jehovah witness.

1.. You claim not to participate in wars and for that reason Hitler killed a large number of your member, but even Jehovah himself was involved in wars to help the children of Israel according to the bible so who is deceiving who?

2.. You talked about 300 Jehovah witness members in prison in South Korea and Egypt because they refused to stop preaching or to be enlisted in the military but Jesus commanded to give to Caesar what's of Caesar and God what's of God, disobeying the laws of a nation is disobeying God, besides it was written that when you go to a person or people to preach and they refuse, you should dust off your shoes and leave peacefully, Christ didn't tell you to disobey. about enlisting in the military, even God's own people in the bible were listed in the military so where did you get your doctrine from?

3.. You talked about not saluting the flag or singing the national anthem well that's the highest point of hypocrisy because when you have problems such as Health, Security, or financial etc of any sort you go to people who swore oaths and respect the flag, you acquire educational knowledge from institutions set up by the same country you don't respect their flag, if you pledge your alliance to God then you shouldn't enjoy benefits like other citizens who pledged their alliance to God and their respective country. Your Jehovah should create or form another country for you or else you will continue to be treated as Aliens in any country.

if your leaders can review these facts and most importantly the doctrine of not giving blood to a dying person, I bet your religion would be the best to practice and promote peace in our world but I guess they wouldn't because all religion is nothing but nonsense.

OneJ:


As regards Pharoah & Joseph, Gen41:39-41 is what I had in mind. Thanks for pointing it out. It's appreciated.

2). "so Christ even though was God did not consider himself equal to God", as U well know, it's a contradictory statement which the writer of Phil2:6,7 can not have written himself ,except his exact words were twisted to such an extent that it's contradictory


3) If Jesus is Almighty God and still consider himself inferior to God. John 14:28.
Thats not common sense , na mumu.

4) Phil 2:9-11, Jesus exalted position is to glory of God Yahweh, therefore, Yahweh is not under Christ's authority.
1 cor 15:24-27, sheds light on it in lucid details.
5) Thomas himself never called Jesus "our God". but "my God". Context is key.
Therefore, Christ is not Yahweh, whom Christ called the only true God John 17:3.
Shalom

OneJ:


As regards Pharoah & Joseph, Gen41:39-41 is what I had in mind. Thanks for pointing it out. It's appreciated.

2). "so Christ even though was God did not consider himself equal to God", as U well know, it's a contradictory statement which the writer of Phil2:6,7 can not have written himself ,except his exact words were twisted to such an extent that it's contradictory


3) If Jesus is Almighty God and still consider himself inferior to God. John 14:28.
Thats not common sense , na mumu.

4) Phil 2:9-11, Jesus exalted position is to glory of God Yahweh, therefore, Yahweh is not under Christ's authority.
1 cor 15:24-27, sheds light on it in lucid details.
5) Thomas himself never called Jesus "our God". but "my God". Context is key.
Therefore, Christ is not Yahweh, whom Christ called the only true God John 17:3.
Shalom

brocab:
Who are you? Are you a listener-learning, then stay around and enjoy the scenes, if so join with us and learn better...

Gruni1234:
The bible clearly says Jesus is God in John 1:1, "..And the Word was God". that should settle everything. But it amuses me why you people still debate on this issue.

Gruni1234:


Hi, so I can deduce that you've accepted my remarks on the Pharoah verse you quoted as invalid right? It seems there was no rebuttal there. Good to know, we are heading somewhere.

I believe you are all running around in circles, when you confront each other, a topic must be picked, supported or debated by those for or against it. Then we will have a head way. Now I asked you what linguistical prove do you have to reject the other versions of the Bible, some versions which you yourself used like the KJV.


Point 2. Have been made clear from the other side that Christ was both God and Man. So as Man he's subjected to God and as God he's equal in nature. That fact has been made well proven.

Point 3-4. Guess appropriate answer is Jesus was man on Earth so saying the Father is greater than Him makes sense to ME because humanly speaking my Father is greater than me because He is my head and have more authority than me.

Thomas was an apostle right? Of Christ right? So this affirms that the apostles saw Christ as God. Thomas needn't call him Almighty God, most of the Apostles infact did not call God almighty. So you affirm that Christ is God since Thomas called Him God. Good that was easy. So we again making a head way.

Now Can you answer my question:

what linguistical prove do you have to reject the other versions of the Bible, some versions which you yourself used like the KJV.

Thank you.

Barristter07:


OK, let's see.



form - /fɔːm/
noun
1. the visible shape or configuration of something.
2. a particular way in which a thing exists or appears.

In what Form does God exist ? SPIRIT

In what form does angels exist ? SPIRIT

So if Philippians 2:6 said Jesus exist in the Form of God, is it not saying he is a spirit being like God.

Now let me address that nonsense about humans and dogs.

According to Nature. humans and dog are same , all are categorized as " Earthly bodies " 1 Cor 15:41 and also as " Natural bodies "

But regarding Angels and other beings In heaven, ita categorized as " Spiritual bodies "

That's the FORM/NATURE in which they exist.

Father and son are not equal by Nature if " Sum " us taken into consideration ... Father exists before the son , Father Has different Abilities and Powers than the Son, they are never EQUAL by Sum.

But by substance equal.

That's why I asked the question earlier, If Nature means Sum and Substance . Jesus and his Father are never equal until you answer those two question's

1. Did Jesus know the end ?
If sum is taken into consideration, he should
2. Why was he addressed as Son alongside angels , but the Father is never addressed as Son ? ( If sum is taken into consideration)


You are a liar, didn't you say he never did ?

I know you will Lie again.

Check your comment below



John 10;36 I said I am Gods son .

See your life.

I deliberately didn't cite this in the first instance.



Angels are Sons of God. Job 38:7

So. Tell us why they are called Sons of God together with Jesus ?




The Bible said Isaac was Abraham's begotten son, meaning he generates or procreates Isaac

How ? By sexual intercourse.

How does God beget Jesus?

( Isaac been begotten doesn't mean he is not a Creation as far as God is concerned )

OneJ:


The words of Yahweh himself, that's the proverbial horse's mouth (matt 3:16,17.) & Jesus Christ direct statements ( John 3:16. 7:16,17. Matt 16:13 -17. John 20:17 ) & what his apostles confessed (Acts 3:13. John 20:30,31. Rev 3:12,14,21. 1 cor 8:5,6 &11:3) carries more weight than your famous forgeries & inserted fiction (John 1:1. 1 John 5:7, Rev 1:11 etc) to promote falsehood.

(Afterthought...)
" Jesus was calling God (YAHWEH) his FATHER "John 5:18 (' I am God's son,', Jesus said. John 10:34-36)
But the Pharisees lied that Jesus was " making himself equal to God" John 5:18. but Christ disagreed ( " the Father (Yahweh) is greater than I". John 14:28)

Today, the modern day Pharisees (brocab , Johnw47 ,solite3, Prime sky,Anas09 et al) have upgraded that lie & installed Jesus as Almighty God.
Trinity is a fundamental lie fit for the dustbin.
That's where it belongs.
Shalom

zodiakzax:


"But the Pharisees lied that Jesus was " making himself equal to God" John 5:18. but Christ disagreed ( " the Father (Yahweh) is greater than I". John 14:28)"


A distortion of scripture


Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
John 5:18 KJV

Jews not Pharisees.. now get this clear and get it into your uneducated head, this was a statement by the writer John and not the jews, John said Christ was making Himself God and that was the reason why the Jews wanted to kill Him. So no Pharisees Lied here, because they were not even mentioned, no jews lied here because they never said anything....

OneJ:


U are missing the point.
The Bible is inspired by God,YAHWEH.
2 tim3:16.
For this reason, Yahweh can not lie nor contradict himself. Num23:19. John 17:17
Jesus confirmed he is the son of God, Yahweh revealed it to Simon Peter. Matt 16:13-17.
Yahweh himself ,again spoke from heaven that Jesus is his beloved son. matt 3:16,17.

zodiakzax:


"But the Pharisees lied that Jesus was " making himself equal to God" John 5:18. but Christ disagreed ( " the Father (Yahweh) is greater than I". John 14:28)"


A distortion of scripture


Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
John 5:18 KJV

Jews not Pharisees.. now get this clear and get it into your uneducated head, this was a statement by the writer John and not the jews, John said Christ was making Himself God and that was the reason why the Jews wanted to kill Him. So no Pharisees Lied here, because they were not even mentioned, no jews lied here because they never said anything....

Barristter07:

Matt 11:25
At that time Jesus said, "I praise You, Father, Lord


Yahweh remains the Most High ( Psalm 83:18) ,

Barristter07:
The Most HiGh will never call anyone Lord. Higher persons don't refer to subordinate as Lord. Jesus pointed this out. Jesus refer to Yahweh as Lord in the above verse because Jesus is not Yahweh, he is subordinate to him

johnw47:



it's very simple except for the blinded who of course have not the Spirit
if some cannot understand they should at least believe the Bible
but you fales jw's neither understand or believe God, and change what He says

God the Word(Spirit) became man(flesh)
the Word(Spirit) is God
the man(flesh) is the Son of God
Jesus is both God(Spirit) and man(flesh):

the Father is also God, and false jw's cannot understand that, or anything, of course

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

johnw47:
Crysthaniel

christians quote God's word
you false jw python man quote wikipedia
you believe wikipedia over the bible
but then you also believe that rainbows could be pythons, a little smile

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Psa 45:6  Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 
Psa 45:7  Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
^^^ Father God anointed the Word God

Heb_1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

johnw47:
Crysthaniel

christians quote God's word
you false jw python man quote wikipedia
you believe wikipedia over the bible
but then you also believe that rainbows could be pythons, a little smile

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Psa 45:6  Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 
Psa 45:7  Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
^^^ Father God anointed the Word God

Heb_1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

OneJ:

The satanic spirit of falsehood , confusion& contradiction dwells in U.

OneJ:
The word ( one spirit being) was with God (a spirit being), two distinct spirit beings can not be the same spirit being except U get room at Uselu/ Yaba.
Mumu brain.

OneJ:
That's definitely not Yahweh, the ONLY TRUE God.

OneJ:
The head of Christ is God" Yahweh his Father (1 cor 11:3)
Jesus had gone back to heaven to live with Yahweh when Paul wrote that scripture.
U no go fit twist 1 cor 11:3. Rev 3:12,14,21.
"begotten of the Father" means created by the Father,Yahweh.
Mumu brain glued to mumu doctrine.

OneJ:


Mr Twister,
The son sits on Yahweh's throne, don't twist it there.
Jesus said the throne is for Yahweh his Father(Rev 3:12,21) & "therefore Yahweh, your God anointed. thee (Jesus) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows" (companions, sons of God, ( Angels) Heb 1:8,9& Ps 45:7
1 chr 28:5. Luke 1:31-33

johnw47:
Crysthaniel

christians quote God's word
you false jw python man quote wikipedia
you believe wikipedia over the bible
but then you also believe that rainbows could be pythons, a little smile

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Psa 45:6  Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 
Psa 45:7  Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
^^^ Father God anointed the Word God

Heb_1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

OneJ:


Wikipedia gives exposure to your lies & forgeries in the holy scriptures U are sharing to deceive gullible people
Mr Twister,
The son sits on Yahweh's throne, don't twist it there.
Jesus said the throne is for Yahweh his Father(Rev 3:12,21) & "therefore Yahweh, your God anointed. thee (Jesus) with the oil of gladness above thy fellows" (companions, sons of God, ( Angels) Heb 1:8,9& Ps 45:7
1 chr 28:5. Luke 1:31-33

johnw47:
Crysthaniel

christians quote God's word
you false jw python man quote wikipedia
you believe wikipedia over the bible
but then you also believe that rainbows could be pythons, a little smile

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Psa 45:6  Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 
Psa 45:7  Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
^^^ Father God anointed the Word God

Heb_1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.