CAPTIVATOR:


you know nothing about the issue been discussed so ask questions first or else support a lie, He cant be Lord over his own God. Why is this hard to understand for you ?

CAPTIVATOR:


Case closed. Neither can you give one verse where Peter address Jesus as my lord . you are arguing from silence

CAPTIVATOR:


you are in a very tight corner and so you assume anything , How Can Jesus be Lord or Master over his God ? You are arguing from silence, 1 Corinthians 15:27 should have enlighten you.

CAPTIVATOR:


cc zodiakzax

CAPTIVATOR:


Bruh, be humble . He can't be Lord over his own God . Father is not included. So you lied when you said Jesus is also Lord of heaven and earth.

CAPTIVATOR:



Do you check the organization explanation of begotten ? You don't. If you do you won't have problem knowing Barrister and I agree Jesus is begotten.
Begotten means to bring into existence like Someone already said. So yes Jesus was bring into existence by virtue of been created by his Father . if you disagree, tell us how Jesus was born " Col 1:15

CAPTIVATOR:


don't be scared, tell this thread how Jesus was born

zodiakzax:



.... You said i should give a verse where Peter and John AND THE OTHER APOSTSLES SAID SO.... gruni1234 you see how stupid they are?

I gave the verse where Thomas being part of the other apostles called Jesus My Lord. And I said since he did then I'm sure the rest did, I'm okay with just one saying it... You on the other hand show me just one place Jesus called the Father My Lord and I will accept. I threw the challenge to You and you round around chasing your tails

zodiakzax:


You are the dumbest of all, you argue here and there and when confronted you run away and poke your nose somewhere i said let OneJ respond to me So we continue... , if you are bold challenge me and let's keep to what you have to say...

zodiakzax:


And you have stupidly ignored my statements, are the Corithians the same as Philipians? When Paul was writing the letter? Open your eyes and address my points one after the other.. let's see how wise you are..

CAPTIVATOR:


you are in a very tight corner and so you assume anything , How Can Jesus be Lord or Master over his God ? You are arguing from silence, 1 Corinthians 15:27 should have enlighten you.

zodiakzax:


Why are you arguing base on assumption bruv, come out with scriptures to prove it.


Yahweh AKNOWLEDGES THAT JESUS IS LORD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH...I challenge you to prove me wrong...

You are becoming stupid

zodiakzax:


Kindly show me where I said Jesus is Lord and Master over His God? This was said about Jesus when he resurrected, God the Father Aknowledges Jesus to be Yahweh, Lord of heaven and Earth.... challenge me on that... and let's continue my friend.. we can start our thread....

zodiakzax:


don't worry I will respond....let me get some free time... and let's see if you will cc me again

no free time, yet you keep replying my posts . issokay bone too hard ?

CAPTIVATOR:


am not dumb , until you explain How Jesus was born . you probably are the dumb one sorry

CAPTIVATOR:


no free time, yet you keep replying my posts . issokay bone too hard ?

CAPTIVATOR:


it was never written BUT you assumed from the verse . it wasn't written that he is lord of heaven and earth . Jesus is his servant oooooooooo , Servant can't be Lord over his God. He was Still called Yahweh's servant after his resurrection Act 4:24 down , Servant go be Lord over his God ? Apply sense nah

CAPTIVATOR:


it was never written BUT you assumed from the verse . it wasn't written that he is lord of heaven and earth . Jesus is his servant oooooooooo , Servant can't be Lord over his God. He was Still called Yahweh's servant after his resurrection Act 4:24 down , Servant go be Lord over his God ? Apply sense nah

Barristter07:


Tagged E1.

The above highlighted begs for answer . Gruni1234 , Captivator , OneJ . taking " Sum. " into consideration

am so enjoying this

Did he answer , let's see



This doesn't answer the. Question. Question tagged E1# for reference.



It said the same nature as THE CHILDREN .

Please answer that and stop somersaulting



You have forgotten , go back and answer that question .

Are the children Nature , which Jesus partook of perfect or imperfect ?



But you said:

"
Now get this The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is [b] the same as Him
" - Zodiazsax

One with Father. same as Him. Guess you were sleeping. When you typed that. Who does Him represent ? #E2






Total nonsense.

How was Jesus begotten ? Tell us

Colossians 1:15 said he is first BORN of all creation.. Hey. How was he born . so so simple .

. Tell me born doesn't mean create and you will receive the shock of your life

yet you failed to continue your assumption about Jesus calling Himself the Son of God, you failed to boldly say Jesus was the Begotten Son of God. But you can point your fingers when you think someone hasn't answered you. .... hypocrite...

zodiakzax:


Here we go Barristter07:

You said:


" since therefore the children share in flesh and blood , he himself likewise partook of the SAME NATURE " Heb 2:14 RSV

You asked

Abeg, which nature did the children have which Jesus shared same , Perfect or Imperfect ?" 


I answered:

Well The perfect humans in the garden of Eden weren't made of gold and silver, gold their body and silver their blood, they were also flesh and blood just like us. Every educated person knows I answered you but for your sake and the sake of your block headed friends let me Ellaborate it for you

I told him Jesus came as Fully Man and without Sin, hence his perfection, I told him Man (Adam and Eve) were made perfect humans, sin made them imperfect.. Jesus coming must come as the perfect Human And that perfect Human is without Sin.

And you see what He did? , he jumbed from Phil 2 to Hebrews to make a point totally different from what the Phil writer said. Phil 2 was when the comparison was made between the nature of God and of man

Here

NIV Phil 2:7
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.


Phil 2:7

Good News Translation
Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness

So there we have it, likeness of men is indeed human beings. Be careful how your answer bruv, you might just insult your NWT. Just giving you heads up 



I challenged him to see that In his own fake bible...


What did he do, he left the comparison and went to a different verse written in a different context to make a fool out of himself... thats what you do, when confronted you run here and there,...stupid...


Guess have i answered you now?

Yes ...taking sum into consideration...

Continuing your stupidity

You quoted me again:

But you said:

" 
Now get this The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is [b] the same as Him 
" - Zodiazsax

One with Father. same as Him. Guess you were sleeping. When you typed that. Who does Him represent ? #E2


, you see how you are taught to take scripture out of context, this was simple and to the point.. here was what I said in its entirety:


The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is the same as Him and that was why Paul said who knoweth the thoughts of a man except the Spirit of man within him.. Likewise The Spirit of God that was within God, who wasn't yet made Manifest to the Church was and is one with God...

Did you see a full stop after the Father?

I said the Spirit of GOD is the same as HIM same as who? GOD!! .. if I say the Spirit of man is the same as Him what do I mean? see how stupid you sound. I even went ahead to show that Paul said who knows the thoughts of man except the Spirit of man within him.. likewise to show I was comparing the two, the Spirit of God that was within God, who wasnt yet made manifest to the Church was and is one with God...did you see that? You see simple English is elluding you, you are so dumb that you can't even understand what i was writing.... ..Stupidity to the highest...quoting me and the scriptures out of context is what you lots do....

You stupidly said, I said The Holy Spirit is the same as the Father.. well show me where I said that? You know very well your friends are illiterates so you wanted to remove your SHAME and stupidity by becoming more stupid.....


In your final remark here was what you said:

"Total nonsense"

thank you


yet you failed to continue your assumption about Jesus calling Himself the Son of God, you failed to boldly say Jesus was the Begotten Son of God. But you can point your fingers when you think someone hasn't answered you. .... hypocrite...


Stupidity continues:

How was Jesus begotten ? Tell us:

Colossians 1:15 said he is first BORN of all creation.. Hey. How was he born . so so simple .



Knowing what I will say he jumbed to answer

In answering the question for me he said:

  ". Tell me born doesn't mean create and you will receive the shock of your life"


You should have waited for me to answer



Well to born doesnt mean to Create..... So I'm waiting for the shock of my life..


If you were born by your parents or created by them then we will see who shocks who..stupid....


So Barristter07, let's get more exciting, Is Jesus the Begotten Son of God?

zodiakzax:


don't worry I will respond....let me get some free time... and let's see if you will cc me again

zodiakzax:


Here we go Barristter07:

You said:


" since therefore the children share in flesh and blood , he himself likewise partook of the SAME NATURE " Heb 2:14 RSV

You asked

Abeg, which nature did the children have which Jesus shared same , Perfect or Imperfect ?" 


I answered:

[s]
Well The perfect humans in the garden of Eden weren't made of gold and silver, gold their body and silver their blood, they were also flesh and blood just like us. Every educated person knows I answered you but for your sake and the sake of your block headed friends let me Ellaborate it for you

I told him Jesus came as Fully Man and without Sin, hence his perfection, I told him Man (Adam and Eve) were made perfect humans, sin made them imperfect.. Jesus coming must come as the perfect Human And that perfect Human is without Sin.

And you see what He did? , he jumbed from Phil 2 to Hebrews to make a point totally different from what the Phil writer said. Phil 2 was when the comparison was made between the nature of God and of man

Here

NIV Phil 2:7
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.


Phil 2:7

Good News Translation
Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness

So there we have it, likeness of men is indeed human beings. Be careful how your answer bruv, you might just insult your NWT. Just giving you heads up 



I challenged him to see that In his own fake bible...


What did he do, he left the comparison and went to a different verse written in a different context to make a fool out of himself... thats what you do, when confronted you run here and there,...stupid... [/s]


Guess have i answered you now?

Yes ...taking sum into consideration...

Continuing your stupidity


You quoted me again:

But you said:

" 
Now get this The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is [b] the same as Him 
" - Zodiazsax

One with Father. same as Him. Guess you were sleeping. When you typed that. Who does Him represent ? #E2


, you see how you are taught to take scripture out of context, this was simple and to the point.. here was what I said in its entirety:


The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is the same as Him and that was why Paul said who knoweth the thoughts of a man except the Spirit of man within him.. Likewise The Spirit of God that was within God, who wasn't yet made Manifest to the Church was and is one with God...

Did you see a full stop after the Father?

I said the Spirit of GOD is the same as HIM same as who? GOD!! .. if I say the Spirit of man is the same as Him what do I mean? see how stupid you sound. I even went ahead to show that Paul said who knows the thoughts of man except the Spirit of man within him.. likewise to show I was comparing the two, the Spirit of God that was within God, who wasnt yet made manifest to the Church was and is one with God...did you see that? You see simple English is elluding you, you are so dumb that you can't even understand what i was writing.... ..Stupidity to the highest...quoting me and the scriptures out of context is what you lots do....

You stupidly said, I said The Holy Spirit is the same as the Father.. well show me where I said that? You know very well your friends are illiterates so you wanted to remove your SHAME and stupidity by becoming more stupid.....

In your final remark here was what you said:

"Total nonsense"

thank you


yet you failed to continue your assumption about Jesus calling Himself the Son of God, you failed to boldly say Jesus was the Begotten Son of God. But you can point your fingers when you think someone hasn't answered you. .... hypocrite...


Stupidity continues:

How was Jesus begotten ? Tell us:

Colossians 1:15 said he is first BORN of all creation.. Hey. How was he born . so so simple .



Knowing what I will say he jumbed to answer

In answering the question for me he said:

  ". Tell me born doesn't mean create and you will receive the shock of your life"


You should have waited for me to answer



Well to born doesnt mean to Create..... So I'm waiting for the shock of my life..


If you were born by your parents or created by them then we will see who shocks who..stupid....


So Barristter07, let's get more exciting, Is Jesus the Begotten Son of God?

zodiakzax:


Kindly show me where I said Jesus is Lord and Master over His God? This was said about Jesus when he resurrected, God the Father Aknowledges Jesus to be Yahweh, Lord of heaven and Earth.... challenge me on that... and let's continue my friend.. we can start our thread....

zodiakzax:


Let me ask you this, how did Mary become pregnant without a man?

Let's start our discussion then you and I since you don't want to wait

Study posts and trend of discussion Mr. When he asks you to explain how and what process through which Jesus was born , he was talking about the birth that happen before Jesus came to earth . Mary Ko , Mary Ni

zodiakzax:


I will try as much as possible not to insult you for my readers sake..


So here was what happened guys: barristter07 in defending his claim that Jesus called the Father MY LORD:

1. lied that David didn't call Jesus my Lord but Lord, I proved to him that David called Him My Lord... .. He didn't respond to that..

2.said Sarah called Abraham Lord and Peter referred to this so Abrham is Sarah's Lord, I also proved to him with scriptures that Sarah called Abraham My Lord.

Now he asked me to Provide where Jesus is addressed as Lord of heaven and earth oga?"

I did and quoted the verse

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10‭-‬11 KJV 

Jesus is to be Aknowledge by ALL as the Lord of Heaven and earth and under the Earth including The Father.



What did he do? He went to Corithians, different letter, different sect of people, the apostle was addressing to defend his claim..

Here was what he said


"The. One who gave that instruction and subject all things to him is Excluded . 1 Cor 15:47"


So my question is why didn't the Apsotle Paul who wrote the letters to different people, state that in philipians when He said ALL WERE TO BOW IN HEAVEN AND ALL WERE TO CONFEES THAT JESUS IS LORD, that the Father wasn't included. When talking about authority he to the Corithians said the Father wasn't subject to him. He was clear on that but in addressing the Philipians why didn't he say All except God the Father since he was addressing different people? I made it clear that the Apostle could not have said that because this particular statement which he made was from Yahweh Himself when He said :

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Romans 14:11 KJV

Yahweh is saying every knee shall bow to HIM, PAUL uses this to tell us that Yahweh here is Christ, and every tongue shall confess to God. Now why did Paul not use the Lord in place of God? He could have said:

"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to me"

But instead "to me" to imply the Lord, He said "to God". So why the play of words?

Now when we carefully examine Phil 2:10-11, Paul said the same, He said Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Yahweh (Lord) to the glory of God The Father. So here again we See Yahweh and God as compared to his statement in Romans 14:11.


Now you repeated a question I answered and threw a challenge at You

You said:

"And the one sent at Isaiah 48:16 called another Lord. Showing the one sent is not Yahweh."


From our previous chats:


You said: 


"Isaiah 48:16 , you said the one sent is Yahweh , and the speaker is Yahweh . 

unfortunately, the one sent is calling Yahweh Lord ( Sign of subjection ) . showing clearly, the one sent is not Yahweh . Yahweh is the most high and would never call anyone Lord , its a sign of subjection ."


I acknowledged that Yahweh cannot call another Lord because He is the Only True God and Lord and beside Him there's no other God . Do you agree to this?

Now you were basing your claim on what I Said,

So I asked you Who the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 was? Yahweh or Isaiah?

So my challenge to You was

"If you agree with me that the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 is Yahweh then I will gladly answer you."

You never answered but continued to argue on this, I'm trying to be polite





....

CAPTIVATOR:


^^

Be humble, you can't prove Peter and other 10 said it. Its a matter of assumption , if Thomas is your one person that said it. Barriater07 also give where many people declared Yahweh as their Lord Psalm 8;9 , So that's the person he used as yardstick too . demanding it must be Jesus is like me demanding it must be Peter . You will never prove it. But that doesn't mean they didn't acknowledge , That's what am saying. Understand matters before u Shout stupid up and down, it's irrelevant

Barristter07:
@ Captivator , thank you for reminding him to reply .



You didn't answer , Yes he came as human being but a Nature SIMILAR to Adams CHILDREN. ( so that renders your garden of eden analysis Zero )

So answer the highlighted .

Captivator , na why your. Friend takes 100 years to reply be this . he don hang



please which Nature did he share Similarly with the Children ... Perfect or imperfect ? Are the Children perfect or imperfect ?


Liar , Spirit of man isn't the same as Him .
Back to the topic @ highlighted .. Who is that God . identify
And that's God the Father ... Comprehende ?




I now know you have no single idea what u dived into.

Jesus is regarded as Gods first BORN .meaning he was Born.

When God born , that which. He born is a creation

Psalm 90:2 says God BORN the Mountains , it simply means God Create them. Unless your reasoning faculty is faulty.

That's why Jesus is said to be born, Created.

johnw47:
YAHWEH is LORD of lords:
Deu 10:17  For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: 

Jesus is Lord of lords:
Rev 17:14  These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

and of course there cannot be a lord above the Lord of lords
showing once again that Father and Jesus is God, john 1:1
there is no Lord above Father, there is no Lord above Jesus, = there is no Lord above God

Barristter07:


Study posts and trend of discussion Mr. When he asks you to explain how and what process through which Jesus was born , he was talking about the birth that happen before Jesus came to earth . Mary Ko , Mary Ni

Abeg captivator , don't mind this one