Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 6:41am On Dec 01, 2018 |
the writer could have been talking about the false jw's of his day
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 7:14am On Dec 01, 2018 |
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concerning the bolded, Where did he ever said that ? Don't mind him Given his half baked reply as usual. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 7:36am On Dec 01, 2018 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 7:48am On Dec 01, 2018 |
zodiakzax:
I will try as much as possible not to insult you for my readers sake..
So here was what happened guys: barristter07 in defending his claim that Jesus called the Father MY LORD:
1. lied that David didn't call Jesus my Lord but Lord, I proved to him that David called Him My Lord... .. He didn't respond to that..
2.said Sarah called Abraham Lord and Peter referred to this so Abrham is Sarah's Lord, I also proved to him with scriptures that Sarah called Abraham My Lord.
Now he asked me to Provide where Jesus is addressed as Lord of heaven and earth oga?"
I did and quoted the verse
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10-11 KJV
Jesus is to be Aknowledge by ALL as the Lord of Heaven and earth and under the Earth including The Father.
What did he do? He went to Corithians, different letter, different sect of people, the apostle was addressing to defend his claim..
Here was what he said
"The. One who gave that instruction and subject all things to him is Excluded . 1 Cor 15:47"
So my question is why didn't the Apsotle Paul who wrote the letters to different people, state that in philipians when He said ALL WERE TO BOW IN HEAVEN AND ALL WERE TO CONFEES THAT JESUS IS LORD, that the Father wasn't included. When talking about authority he to the Corithians said the Father wasn't subject to him. He was clear on that but in addressing the Philipians why didn't he say All except God the Father since he was addressing different people? I made it clear that the Apostle could not have said that because this particular statement which he made was from Yahweh Himself when He said :
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. Romans 14:11 KJV
Yahweh is saying every knee shall bow to HIM, PAUL uses this to tell us that Yahweh here is Christ, and every tongue shall confess to God. Now why did Paul not use the Lord in place of God? He could have said:
"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to me"
But instead "to me" to imply the Lord, He said "to God". So why the play of words?
Now when we carefully examine Phil 2:10-11, Paul said the same, He said Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Yahweh (Lord) to the glory of God The Father. So here again we See Yahweh and God as compared to his statement in Romans 14:11.
@ Bold , Lord is a position of authority. Jesus authority Excluded his Father . that's wat the scripture is telling you at 1 Corinthians 15;27 , verse 28 said Jesus himself is under God his Father . So you see why you are wrong. That explains the phrase " To the Glory of God the Father " Excluded. The Father won't bend knees to His Son, Jesus . Now you repeated a question I answered and threw a challenge at You
You said:
"And the one sent at Isaiah 48:16 called another Lord. Showing the one sent is not Yahweh."
From our previous chats:
You said:
"Isaiah 48:16 , you said the one sent is Yahweh , and the speaker is Yahweh .
unfortunately, the one sent is calling Yahweh Lord ( Sign of subjection ) . showing clearly, the one sent is not Yahweh . Yahweh is the most high and would never call anyone Lord , its a sign of subjection ."
I acknowledged that Yahweh cannot call another Lord because He is the Only True God and Lord and beside Him there's no other God . Do you agree to this?
Now you were basing your claim on what I Said,
So I asked you Who the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 was? Yahweh or Isaiah?
So my challenge to You was
"If you agree with me that the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 is Yahweh then I will gladly answer you."
You never answered but continued to argue on this, I'm trying to be polite
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Straw man argument. Two persons speak in that verse, Yahweh and the one he sent who recognize him as Lord. And we know Yahweh is the Most High. Most high cannot have a Lord over him 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 8:03am On Dec 01, 2018 |
This guy is a comedian . lets examine your write up zodiakzax:
So here we go...
You said:
"You didn't answer , Yes he came as human being but a Nature SIMILAR to Adams CHILDREN. ( so that renders your garden of eden analysis Zero )"
My friend stop this stupidity, where did I say he came as Adams children? This is your assumption...This is the verse in question:
According to the Bible, he shared the same nature as Adams Children, is the Bible lying ? #E3 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. Philippians 2:6-7 NIV
He came as a human, a human being,.human likeness.. and I pointed out to you that He came a perfect being, with no sin, like those perfect beings God made in the garden.
why are you quoting Hebrews? Was the writer in Hebrews comparing the nature of God and Man? The Hebrews you are citing is in different context and not relevant to this....
That's what you do always taking out of context.
Gruni1234, Your fellow doesn't know scripture doesn't contradict. Is Hebrew lying ? That Hebrew explain the kind of human nature he has. Why is this giving you headache E1 hasn't been answered You continued:
"Liar , Spirit of man isn't the same as Him"
You see how dumb you are, i was only giving you an example to show you it was God I was referring to.
I said, "if I say the Spirit of man is the same as Him what do I mean?"
It means the Spirit of man is the same as Man.. You see how stupid you are? An example...
Aside that, in truth, just to correct you, the Spirit of man is man. You can ask if you want....
Spirit of man is not man . FACT
You said
"Back to the topic @ highlighted .. Who is that God . identify And that's God the Father ... Comprehende ?"
You are forcing me to say something that isn't there..No that's not God the Father, that is you assuming it's God the Father, .. Paul said "no one knows the Thoughts of God except the Spirit of God" Paul did not say "no one knows the Thoughts of the Father except the Spirit of the Father" how dumb are you bruv? The Holy Spirit is God correct? The Father is God correct? So the Spirit Knows the Thoughts of the Father and Father knows the Thoughts of the Spirit correct? And both are God.
Confirm silly person. Okay who did Paul has in mind when mentioned Hod ? It can never be Trinity because he mentioned spirit of God differently . So E4# begs for answer
You continued to prove how dumb you are, you said
"I now know you have no single idea what u dived into."
well we will see wont we?
You said:
"Jesus is regarded as Gods first BORN .meaning he was Born."
show me where Jesus is regarded as God's firstborn?
Colossians 1:15 " first BORN of all creation " Hebrews 1:6 Gods first BORN How was he born ?
Your stupidity continues:
You said
"When God born , that which. He born is a creation"
and you quoted
"Psalm 90:2 says God BORN the Mountains , it simply means God Create them. Unless your reasoning faculty is faulty.
That's why Jesus is said to be born, Created."
... How did you know God borning the mountains means He created them? I did not see create there but born.. So how did you know it means creation?
So my turn to ask you a question
Were you born by your mother or were created by Her? Assuming the word create and born are the same..
My reasoning faculty is working perfectly well.. ...
Gruni1234, see the highlighted . How then did God born the mountains. If he didn't create them Let's see how God Born one chance for this guy 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 8:17am On Dec 01, 2018 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 8:27am On Dec 01, 2018 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 9:03am On Dec 01, 2018 |
zodiakzax:
.... You can't answer if Jesus was begotten or not but has the mouth to answer for someone...
Yes Mary, how did she become pregnant without a man that should answer him...fool.... |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 9:12am On Dec 01, 2018 |
zodiakzax:
So here we go...
You said:
"You didn't answer , Yes he came as human being but a Nature SIMILAR to Adams CHILDREN. ( so that renders your garden of eden analysis Zero )"
My friend stop this stupidity, where did I say he came as Adams children? This is your assumption...This is the verse in question:
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. Philippians 2:6-7 NIV
He came as a human, a human being,.human likeness.. and I pointed out to you that He came a perfect being, with no sin, like those perfect beings God made in the garden.
why are you quoting Hebrews? Was the writer in Hebrews comparing the nature of God and Man? The Hebrews you are citing is in different context and not relevant to this....
That's what you do always taking out of context.
You continued:
"Liar , Spirit of man isn't the same as Him"
You see how dumb you are, i was only giving you an example to show you it was God I was referring to.
I said, "if I say the Spirit of man is the same as Him what do I mean?"
It means the Spirit of man is the same as Man.. You see how stupid you are? An example...
Aside that, in truth, just to correct you, the Spirit of man is man. You can ask if you want....
You said
"Back to the topic @ highlighted .. Who is that God . identify And that's God the Father ... Comprehende ?"
You are forcing me to say something that isn't there..No that's not God the Father, that is you assuming it's God the Father, .. Paul said "no one knows the Thoughts of God except the Spirit of God" Paul did not say "no one knows the Thoughts of the Father except the Spirit of the Father" how dumb are you bruv? The Holy Spirit is God correct? The Father is God correct? So the Spirit Knows the Thoughts of the Father and Father knows the Thoughts of the Spirit correct? And both are God.
You continued to prove how dumb you are, you said
"I now know you have no single idea what u dived into."
well we will see wont we?
You said:
"Jesus is regarded as Gods first BORN .meaning he was Born."
show me where Jesus is regarded as God's firstborn?
Your stupidity continues:
You said
"When God born , that which. He born is a creation"
and you quoted
"Psalm 90:2 says God BORN the Mountains , it simply means God Create them. Unless your reasoning faculty is faulty.
That's why Jesus is said to be born, Created."
... How did you know God borning the mountains means He created them? I did not see create there but born.. So how did you know it means creation?
So my turn to ask you a question
Were you born by your mother or were created by Her? Assuming the word create and born are the same..
My reasoning faculty is working perfectly well.. ...
Now barrister07 I respect you enough to answer every question of yours,even the stupid ones, why dont you give me that same respect to answer mine? If I were to behave like you,i dont think we would continue this thread...
I asked you if you believed that Jesus Christ is the Begotten Son of God, you have not answered that, nor even addressed it. I don't think we can continue having a discussion if you don't answer that.
Kikikikikiki How are mountains Born oooooo . Plenty film on this thread
2) if you don't have sense ,he quote Hebrew to let you know that nature is patterned after that of the Children
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 10:36am On Dec 01, 2018 |
Barristter07: This guy is a comedian . lets examine your write up
According to the Bible, he shared the same nature as Adams Children, is the Bible lying ? #E3
Gruni1234, Your fellow doesn't know scripture doesn't contradict.
Is Hebrew lying ?
That Hebrew explain the kind of human nature he has.
Why is this giving you headache
E1 hasn't been answered
Spirit of man is not man . FACT
Confirm silly person.
Okay who did Paul has in mind when mentioned Hod ?
It can never be Trinity because he mentioned spirit of God differently .
So E4# begs for answer
Colossians 1:15 " first BORN of all creation "
Hebrews 1:6 Gods first BORN
How was he born ?
Gruni1234, see the highlighted .
How then did God born the mountains. If he didn't create them
Let's see how God Born
one chance for this guy
.. You see how stupid you are Barristter07? You can't explain anything, only thing you can do is say E1 E2 E3 but you can't bodly answer simple questions thrown at you.. chicken.. is Jesus Christ the Begotten Son of God...the he runs around chasing his tail... Let's start: You said "According to the Bible, he shared the same nature as Adams Children, is the Bible lying ? #E3" Well according to the same bible he shared in the nature of human. , why are you being dumb my friend, we need to go to the context to see what it means. Phil 2 was where the comparison of the two natures was made. Nature of God and Nature of man, you run to Hebrews a different book written in a different context to make a stupid claim. And the claim you make doesn't mean anything because Phil 2 didn't say anything about Children but HUMAN BEING, Human. If we both believe the writer of hebrew is the same Paul why DIDNT he use the same wording for that? You were making a stupid claim about the likeness of men and I challenged you it was human being, being referred to, and challenged you to bring Phil 2:6-7 from your NWT. You didn't and you run to Hebrews 1, where the word human is bodly written in Phil 2:7. Your foolishness continues: You said "Gruni1234, Your fellow doesn't know scripture doesn't contradict. Is Hebrew lying ? That Hebrew explain the kind of human nature he has. Why is this giving you headache E1 hasn't been answered" Hebrews is irrelevant, scripture doesn't contradict each other on the ideology it presents. One nonetheless must look at the context in which it is written to better understand it... I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Revelation 22:16 KJV JESUS clearly states here himself that he is the offspring of David, but we know he challenged some Jews who said he was the Son of David, He said how can He be son if David called Him LORD? Was Jesus trying to say he wasn't the Son of David? Is scripture contradicting itself? So to determine that you need to go back to the context in which it was written... .. So stop your stupidity.... JESUS came as A Perfect Human Being , Human without Sin for so were the first man made...per the context in which it was written.. You clearly made a fool out of yourself when you quoted me out of context, next time be cautious.... You continued: Spirit of man is not man . FACT So how come Man has Spirit,Soul and Body? Without the body there's no man, without Spirit and Soul, there's no man, so how come you say Spirit of Man is not man? You sound stupid all the time.. You continued your foolishness: You said "Okay who did Paul has in mind when mentioned Hod ? you see how stupid you sound again? Who did Paul have in mind? Stupid.. I'm I the spirit of Paul to know his mind? I can Only take his writing for it and He said no one knows the Thoughts of GOD except the Spirit of God..... So Paul is talking about God and not God the Father..... Paul clearly says God the Father when he has to. You see your problem is you base you stupidity on assumptions and not logic, that's what you are taught. You continued "It can never be Trinity because he mentioned spirit of God differently." Irrelevant, why are you so dumb, did I say anything about trinity in that verse? I was barely telling you that THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS GOD. And I used that to Ellaborate that God is being spoken about there and not God the Father. .. guys... I'm I debating with an illiterate or what? Must I become a fool to communicate to a fool? I'm being so plain and simple in my communication yet I'm being misunderstood.... Also i challenged you previously on proving to me that my statement about the Holy Spirit meant he wasn't part of the trinity from the beginning. You ignored that ... don't open your mouth and make stupid bold Claims if you can't defend them...fool.... Everyone will see your stupidity including you stupid friends: You said "Colossians 1:15 " first BORN of all creation " Firstborn of all creation, so why did you say Firstborn of God?.. ... if you want us to talk about Christ being the First born of creation do so and stop going around the Bush... You are so funny,.you said again "Hebrews 1:6 Gods first BORN" Funny guy, you see how you don't understand scripture , the Greek word there to imply His is τὸν(ton) meaning "the" So "His" is not a better renderation of that greek word and that is why you see the KJV and some others use "The" which is what the Greek says. This is from your precious ESV ESV And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him. So where does it say He is Gods firstborn?? My friend you see we are not as dumb and stupid and scared as you, all you had to say was "He was the First born of creation,meaning he was created", then using that we will see if he was created or not according to your claims. But if you stupidly say He is God's Firstborn which the verse didn't so say then you are telling us that you are being stupid... His stupidity continues "How was he born ?" The same way Mary was able to become pregnant without a seed of man, which means God is capable of doing anything which the human mind cannot comprehend, same way Jesus was begotten.. ... i hope this answers your silly question.. In conclusion which really surprised me given I expected more from you, you said "Gruni1234, see the highlighted . How then did God born the mountains. If he didn't create them Let's see how God Born" You see how stupid you are? You cited Psalm 90:2 to prove your claim that God born the mountains, okay, I simply asked you How did you know God borning the mountains means He created them? I did not see create there but born.. So how did you know it means He created them? Let me give you a good one, and I'm giving it to you on a silver platter... You see because I'm not scared like a chicken... do you know God did not create man but Made man, even though it is said He created All things? I'm praying it's not too hard for you to understand so we can have a lively chat about it.... Now you are asking me how did God born if he didn't create them, the verse there said Born not create, so why do you also assume it's create? ......my questions are simple yet he fails to understand them and answer them.. My friend you see I took my time to answer all your points why don't you answer mine I asked you "Were you born by your mother or were created by Her? Assuming the word create and born are the same" You ignored it... why? ... You have no balls.. scared little "girl" 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Hairyrapunzel: 10:49am On Dec 01, 2018 |
Barristter07:
See this person, Begotten means brought into existence .. So yes I believe Jesus was brought into existence by his Father.
Is Jesus the only begotten son of God? Yes or no. Is Jesus the one and only son of God? Yes or no Who asked you to give meaning and answer with meaning? Are you afraid/ashamed to say Jesus is the only begotten son of God? No wahala God gave birth to Jesus via sexual intercourse. Are you satisfied? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 10:55am On Dec 01, 2018 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 10:56am On Dec 01, 2018 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 11:03am On Dec 01, 2018 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Hairyrapunzel: 11:11am On Dec 01, 2018 |
Barristter07:
Whaaaat? Scared of who? Iwo ke hahaha
Jesus is Gods begotten son. I don't know what your problem is.
Tell us how he was begotten, you refuse
Where did the bible tell us how he was begotten? Or you just assumed how he was begotten and made it your doctrine? I just they laff. You guys like assuming in that your religion. From begotten means procreate via sexual intercourse to create and the new one is to exist before something just because procreate and create did not fit Isaac and Jesus. Lol 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Hairyrapunzel: 11:15am On Dec 01, 2018 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Gruni1234: 11:22am On Dec 01, 2018 |
zodiakzax:
.. You see how stupid you are Barristter07? You can't explain anything, only thing you can do is say E1 E2 E3 but you can't bodly answer simple questions thrown at you.. chicken.. is Jesus Christ the Begotten Son of God...the he runs around chasing his tail...
Let's start:
You said "According to the Bible, he shared the same nature as Adams Children, is the Bible lying ? #E3"
Well according to the same bible he shared in the nature of human. , why are you being dumb my friend, we need to go to the context to see what it means. Phil 2 was where the comparison of the two natures was made. Nature of God and Nature of man, you run to Hebrews a different book written in a different context to make a stupid claim. And the claim you make doesn't mean anything because Phil 2 didn't say anything about Children but HUMAN BEING, Human. If we both believe the writer of hebrew is the same Paul why DIDNT he use the same wording for that? You were making a stupid claim about the likeness of men and I challenged you it was human being, being referred to, and challenged you to bring Phil 2:6-7 from your NWT. You didn't and you run to Hebrews 1, where the word human is bodly written in Phil 2:7.
Your foolishness continues:
You said
"Gruni1234, Your fellow doesn't know scripture doesn't contradict.
Is Hebrew lying ?
That Hebrew explain the kind of human nature he has.
Why is this giving you headache
E1 hasn't been answered"
Hebrews is irrelevant, scripture doesn't contradict each other on the ideology it presents. One nonetheless must look at the context in which it is written to better understand it...
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Revelation 22:16 KJV
JESUS clearly states here himself that he is the offspring of David, but we know he challenged some Jews who said he was the Son of David, He said how can He be son if David called Him LORD? Was Jesus trying to say he wasn't the Son of David? Is scripture contradicting itself? So to determine that you need to go back to the context in which it was written... .. So stop your stupidity....
JESUS came as A Perfect Human Being , Human without Sin for so were the first man made...per the context in which it was written..
You clearly made a fool out of yourself when you quoted me out of context, next time be cautious....
You continued:
Spirit of man is not man . FACT
So how come Man has Spirit,Soul and Body? Without the body there's no man, without Spirit and Soul, there's no man, so how come you say Spirit of Man is not man? You sound stupid all the time..
You continued your foolishness:
You said
"Okay who did Paul has in mind when mentioned Hod ?
you see how stupid you sound again?
Who did Paul have in mind? Stupid.. I'm I the spirit of Paul to know his mind? I can Only take his writing for it and He said no one knows the Thoughts of GOD except the Spirit of God..... So Paul is talking about God and not God the Father..... Paul clearly says God the Father when he has to. You see your problem is you base you stupidity on assumptions and not logic, that's what you are taught.
You continued
"It can never be Trinity because he mentioned spirit of God differently."
Irrelevant, why are you so dumb, did I say anything about trinity in that verse? I was barely telling you that THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS GOD. And I used that to Ellaborate that God is being spoken about there and not God the Father. .. guys... I'm I debating with an illiterate or what? Must I become a fool to communicate to a fool? I'm being so plain and simple in my communication yet I'm being misunderstood....
Also i challenged you previously on proving to me that my statement about the Holy Spirit meant he wasn't part of the trinity from the beginning. You ignored that ... don't open your mouth and make stupid bold Claims if you can't defend them...fool....
Everyone will see your stupidity including you stupid friends:
You said
"Colossians 1:15 " first BORN of all creation "
Firstborn of all creation, so why did you say Firstborn of God?.. ... if you want us to talk about Christ being the First born of creation do so and stop going around the Bush...
You are so funny,.you said again
"Hebrews 1:6 Gods first BORN"
Funny guy, you see how you don't understand scripture , the Greek word there to imply His is τὸν(ton) meaning "the"
So "His" is not a better renderation of that greek word and that is why you see the KJV and some others use "The" which is what the Greek says.
This is from your precious ESV
ESV And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.
So where does it say He is Gods firstborn?? My friend you see we are not as dumb and stupid and scared as you, all you had to say was "He was the First born of creation,meaning he was created", then using that we will see if he was created or not according to your claims. But if you stupidly say He is God's Firstborn which the verse didn't so say then you are telling us that you are being stupid...
His stupidity continues
"How was he born ?"
The same way Mary was able to become pregnant without a seed of man, which means God is capable of doing anything which the human mind cannot comprehend, same way Jesus was begotten.. ... i hope this answers your silly question..
In conclusion which really surprised me given I expected more from you, you said
"Gruni1234, see the highlighted .
How then did God born the mountains. If he didn't create them
Let's see how God Born"
You see how stupid you are? You cited Psalm 90:2 to prove your claim that God born the mountains, okay, I simply asked you
How did you know God borning the mountains means He created them? I did not see create there but born.. So how did you know it means He created them? Let me give you a good one, and I'm giving it to you on a silver platter... You see because I'm not scared like a chicken... do you know God did not create man but Made man, even though it is said He created All things? I'm praying it's not too hard for you to understand so we can have a lively chat about it....
Now you are asking me how did God born if he didn't create them, the verse there said Born not create, so why do you also assume it's create? ......my questions are simple yet he fails to understand them and answer them..
My friend you see I took my time to answer all your points why don't you answer mine
I asked you
"Were you born by your mother or were created by Her? Assuming the word create and born are the same"
You ignored it... why? ... You have no balls.. scared little "girl"
Things are getting interesting. Like i said before Barristter is struggling, please make sure to answer all questions addressed to You, I know how zodiakzax feels. Barristter also my advice is be on point and as learned person stay on a verse which explains itself. Good example zodiakzax used was the offspring of David thing, I'm to assume then that the bible contradicts itself? Well if it does then the bible itself is fake and not worthy of my time. I'm learning interesting things, but as a learned person I will do more research into that since zodiakzax didn't specifically say it does. Barrister07, from the beginning of your debate with zodiakzax you held a very strong point that Jesus was a son of god just like angels are sons of God. You were asked repeatedly whether Jesus was the Begotten son of God, you were never specific in your answering. Now that you accept Jesus is the Begotten Son of God, then indeed Jesus cannot be an angel since the Book of Hebrews says NO ANGEL was begotten of God. It is quite clear that that doctrine is false and must be removed. Surely born is not the same as create. Born is bring forth out of pre-existing substance whereas create is to bring forth out of nothing. Your mother gave birth(born) to you. She did not create you. To say she created you is nonsense since that's not the case. I am currently reading more about the doctrine of the Jehovah witnesses on who Jesus Christ is/was. I will post my find when I'm done. And like I said I will not be biased. I have started John 1:1 and it's getting interesting already. Thank you. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 11:28am On Dec 01, 2018 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Gruni1234: 11:50am On Dec 01, 2018 |
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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 12:34pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
Gruni1234:
Hahahahahahahhaahaha zodiakzax, you are quite funny. But You know the interesting thing is that the Muslims actually believe that was how Shaiton(satan) gave birth to his demonic children. Exactly as you said it, having a p***s and a v****a on his thighs and with that he had intercourse with himself and laid an egg everyday and out of the eggs came 70 Satanic children. Islamic religion is one funny Religion with their prophet being possessed by Satan etc.
Enjoy the rest of your day Gentlemen. Yes I'm aware of that... Islam just like this Jw cult are the same and stupid.. Enjoy your day too |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by OneJ: 2:35pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
zodiakzax:
Another stupid one.... Go and laugh at your friend who quoted this verse, and also laugh at the writer who said Born instead of create... ... why is he not able to boldly tell me that Jesus is the Begotten son of God... stupid jokers.... scared little "girls"
People are reading, of course you will never admit anything, but you see on writing for OTHERS TO SEE.. Gruni1234:
Things are getting interesting. Like i said before Barristter is struggling, please make sure to answer all questions addressed to You, I know how zodiakzax feels. Barristter also my advice is be on point and as learned person stay on a verse which explains itself. Good example zodiakzax used was the offspring of David thing, I'm to assume then that the bible contradicts itself? Well if it does then the bible itself is fake and not worthy of my time. I'm learning interesting things, but as a learned person I will do more research into that since zodiakzax didn't specifically say it does.
Barrister07, from the beginning of your debate with zodiakzax you held a very strong point that Jesus was a son of god just like angels are sons of God. You were asked repeatedly whether Jesus was the Begotten son of God, you were never specific in your answering. Now that you accept Jesus is the Begotten Son of God, then indeed Jesus cannot be an angel since the Book of Hebrews says NO ANGEL was begotten of God. It is quite clear that that doctrine is false and must be removed.
Surely born is not the same as create. Born is bring forth out of pre-existing substance whereas create is to bring forth out of nothing.
Your mother gave birth(born) to you. She did not create you. To say she created you is nonsense since that's not the case.
I am currently reading more about the doctrine of the Jehovah witnesses on who Jesus Christ is/was. I will post my find when I'm done. And like I said I will not be biased. I have started John 1:1 and it's getting interesting already.
Thank you. Born, definition *Past participle of bear. 1a. brought into life by birth. 1b. brought into existence, CREATED. >a new nation was BORN with the revolution. Gruni ,zodiakzax, brocab, Johnw47,, who is the father and mother of the " new nation born with the revolution?" The word "born" has dual meaning, that is, birth or created. INDISPUTABLE FACT. https://www.thefreedictionary.com/born "Before the mountains were born, or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God" Psalms 90:2. These questions dey hang for una head: 1) How did Yahweh born the mountains? 2) How did Yahweh brought forth the earth and the world? 3)How did Yahweh brought forth Jesus Christ, his son? These questions have ONLY one answer: Yahweh CREATED 1)the mountains. (2) earth and the world. (3) Jesus Christ his son. https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/make_1 Make , definition 1.create/ produce 2. cause to be formed https://www.thefreedictionary.com/make1. to cause to exist or happen, CREATE 2.to bring into existence Verb , make 3.make=create synonyms> beget , bring forth, generate. Jesus did not exist until Yahweh brought him into existence ( created, made, generated, brought forth) his begotten son. The bitter truth is crystal clear. Remain with your mumu or press exit mode, the choice is yours. Shalom 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 3:58pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
zodiakzax:
[s] Another stupid one.... Go and laugh at your friend who quoted this verse, and also laugh at the writer who said Born instead of create... ... why is he not able to boldly tell me that Jesus is the Begotten son of God... stupid jokers.... scared little "girls"
People are reading, of course you will never admit anything, but you see on writing for OTHERS TO SEE.. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 3:59pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
zodiakzax:
[s] Another stupid one.... Go and laugh at your friend who quoted this verse, and also laugh at the writer who said Born instead of create... ... why is he not able to boldly tell me that Jesus is the Begotten son of God... stupid jokers.... scared little "girls"
People are reading, of course you will never admit anything, but you see on writing for OTHERS TO SEE [/s] .. A new Nation is born , dies it mean Create ?
How were mountains Born ? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 4:03pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
OneJ:
Born, definition *Past participle of bear. 1a. brought into life by birth. 1b. brought into existence, CREATED. >a new nation was BORN with the revolution.
Gruni ,zodiakzax, brocab, Johnw47,, who is the father and mother of the " new nation born with the revolution?"
The word "born" has dual meaning, that is, birth or created. INDISPUTABLE FACT.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/born "Before the mountains were born, or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God" Psalms 90:2.
These questions dey hang for una head:
1) How did Yahweh born the mountains?
2) How did Yahweh brought forth the earth and the world? 3)How did Yahweh brought forth Jesus Christ, his son? These questions have ONLY one answer: Yahweh CREATED 1)the mountains. (2) earth and the world. (3) Jesus Christ his son.
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/make_1 Make , definition 1.create/ produce 2. cause to be formed https://www.thefreedictionary.com/make
1. to cause to exist or happen, CREATE 2.to bring into existence Verb , make 3.make=create synonyms> beget , bring forth, generate.
Jesus did not exist until Yahweh brought him into existence ( created, made, generated, brought forth) his begotten son. The bitter truth is crystal clear. Remain with your mumu or press exit mode, the choice is yours. Shalom That psalm 90:2 did a total finishing Lolzzz Handshake for you unlike some who switched off their brain when confronted with Facts |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 4:05pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
Gruni1234:
Things are getting interesting. Like i said before Barristter is struggling, please make sure to answer all questions addressed to You, I know how zodiakzax feels. Barristter also my advice is be on point and as learned person stay on a verse which explains itself. Good example zodiakzax used was the offspring of David thing, I'm to assume then that the bible contradicts itself? Well if it does then the bible itself is fake and not worthy of my time. I'm learning interesting things, but as a learned person I will do more research into that since zodiakzax didn't specifically say it does.
Barrister07, from the beginning of your debate with zodiakzax you held a very strong point that Jesus was a son of god just like angels are sons of God. You were asked repeatedly whether Jesus was the Begotten son of God, you were never specific in your answering. Now that you accept Jesus is the Begotten Son of God, then indeed Jesus cannot be an angel since the Book of Hebrews says NO ANGEL was begotten of God. It is quite clear that that doctrine is false and must be removed.
Surely born is not the same as create. Born is bring forth out of pre-existing substance whereas create is to bring forth out of nothing.
Your mother gave birth(born) to you. She did not create you. To say she created you is nonsense since that's not the case.
I am currently reading more about the doctrine of the Jehovah witnesses on who Jesus Christ is/was. I will post my find when I'm done. And like I said I will not be biased. I have started John 1:1 and it's getting interesting already.
Thank you. You are a coded Jw hater , born doesn't mean Create. Explain Psalm. 90:2 to this forum !!! |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Hairyrapunzel: 4:08pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
CAPTIVATOR:
You are a coded Jw hater , born doesn't mean Create. Explain Psalm. 90:2 to this forum !!! Everybody who shares a different opinion is now a Jw hater? You can't even stand criticism. Does born mean create before? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Hairyrapunzel: 4:21pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
CAPTIVATOR:
That psalm 90:2 did a total finishing Lolzzz
Handshake for you unlike some who switched off their brain when confronted with Facts Since born now means create and brought into existence let me now give you guys a shocker Psalm 89:20-27 20 I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him: 21 With whom my hand shall be established: mine arm also shall strengthen him. 22 The enemy shall not exact upon him; nor the son of wickedness afflict him. 23 And I will beat down his foes before his face, and plague them that hate him. 24 But my faithfulness and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted. 25 I will set his hand also in the sea, and his right hand in the rivers. 26 He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation. 27 Also I will make him my firstborn higher than the kings of the earth. It's like David was brought into existence/created first or rather given birth to first by Jw definition.Jeremiah 31:8-9 8 See, I will bring them from the land of the north and gather them from the ends of the earth. Among them will be the blind and the lame, expectant mothers and women in labor; a great throng will return. 9 They will come with weeping; they will pray as I bring them back. I will lead them beside streams of water on a level path where they will not stumble, because I am Israel’s father, and Ephraim is my firstborn sonEphraim was given birth to first or rather brought into existence/created first by Jw definition |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 4:29pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
Gruni1234:
Things are getting interesting. Like i said before Barristter is struggling, please make sure to answer all questions addressed to You, I know how zodiakzax feels. Barristter also my advice is be on point and as learned person stay on a verse which explains itself.
Sum and substance. If that's correct, Neither you or zodiakzax should have problem explaining that Hebrews. As it is you guys are floating. Which Nature did he Share with the Children of Adam ? Taking into consideration " Sum" Imperfect like the children ? U just started
Good example zodiakzax used was the offspring of David thing, I'm to assume then that the bible contradicts itself? Well if it does then the bible itself is fake and not worthy of my time. I'm learning interesting things, but as a learned person I will do more research into that since zodiakzax didn't specifically say it does.
Jesus exist before David , that's his point to his opposer's . that doesn't nullify he came through David line. Nothing is Contradictory, I will deal with that baseless analogy when i reply him. Am not against his quoting other verses , so far they relate to the point of discussion. Na fear dey make him shake when he saw other verses Barrister07, from the beginning of your debate with zodiakzax you held a very strong point that Jesus was a son of god just like angels are sons of God. You were asked repeatedly whether Jesus was the Begotten son of God, you were never specific in your answering. Now that you accept Jesus is the Begotten Son of God, then indeed Jesus cannot be an angel since the Book of Hebrews says NO ANGEL was begotten of God . It is quite clear that that doctrine is false and must be removed.
It's irrelevant , Show me the underlined boldly from that Hebrews ? You keep bringing up a matter not relevant to what we are discussing , I didn't discuss this and am not until am through with the present ones . Orderliness
Surely born is not the same as create. Born is bring forth out of pre-existing substance whereas create is to bring forth out of nothing.
Your mother gave birth(born) to you. She did not create you. To say she created you is nonsense since that's not the case.
I am currently reading more about the doctrine of the Jehovah witnesses on who Jesus Christ is/was. I will post my find when I'm done. And like I said I will not be biased. I have started John 1:1 and it's getting interesting already.
Thank you.
The issue is " when God born "!!! How did God born the mountains , Care to explain what that means ? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Barristter07: 5:15pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
zodiakzax:
Let's start:
Okay You said "According to the Bible, he shared the same nature as Adams Children, is the Bible lying ? #E3"
Well according to the same bible he shared in the nature of human. ,
The children are human too Explain what that Hebrews mean !!! Real chicken , don't be scared to explain Cc: Gruni1234 , u can help him
why are you being dumb my friend, we need to go to the context to see what it means. Phil 2 was where the comparison of the two natures was made. Nature of God and Nature of man, you run to Hebrews a different book written in a different context to make a stupid claim. And the claim you make doesn't mean anything because Phil 2 didn't say anything about Children but HUMAN BEING, Human. If we both believe the writer of hebrew is the same Paul why DIDNT he use the same wording for that? You were making a stupid claim about the likeness of men and I challenged you it was human being, being referred to, and challenged you to bring Phil 2:6-7 from your NWT. You didn't and you run to Hebrews 1, where the word human is bodly written in Phil 2:7.
Wait sef , who deny it means human Aren't the children human too ? Yeeparipa , Chicken Explain that Hebrews for us. Which Nature did he share with the children ?
Your foolishness continues:
You said
"Gruni1234, Your fellow doesn't know scripture doesn't contradict.
Is Hebrew lying ?
That Hebrew explain the kind of human nature he has.
Why is this giving you headache
E1 hasn't been answered"
Hebrews is irrelevant , scripture doesn't contradict each other on the ideology it presents. One nonetheless must look at the context in which it is written to better understand it...
A fake Christian dismiss Scripture as irrelevant. Scripture Cannot be broken, it wont contradict ...Why not explain since you know the context ? Is Hebrews lying he shared the nature of the children?? I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Revelation 22:16 KJV
JESUS clearly states here himself that he is the offspring of David, but we know he challenged some Jews who said he was the Son of David, He said how can He be son if David called Him LORD? Was Jesus trying to say he wasn't the Son of David? Is scripture contradicting itself? So to determine that you need to go back to the context in which it was written... .. So stop your stupidity....
JESUS came as A Perfect Human Being , Human without Sin for so were the first man made...per the context in which it was written..
This won't save you Jesus never denied been an offspring of David, he just want them to know he is bigger , higher and exists before David . Sense Mr Context , then explain Hebrews 2:14 in context .. Which Nature did Jesus share with Children ? You clearly made a fool out of yourself when you quoted me out of context, next time be cautious....
says a coward , abeg address the above.
You continued:
Spirit of man is not man . FACT
So how come Man has Spirit,Soul and Body? Without the body there's no man, without Spirit and Soul, there's no man, so how come you say Spirit of Man is not man? You sound stupid all the time..
Spirit of man is Not man . if it is, that means Jesus went to heaven the day he died since his spirit return to the Father. Luke 23:46 Genesis 2:7 Jehovah went on to form the man out of dust. He was called MAN even without Spirit in him , when he was just dust
You continued your foolishness:
You said
"Okay who did Paul has in mind when mentioned Hod ?
you see how stupid you sound again?
Who did Paul have in mind? Stupid.. I'm I the spirit of Paul to know his mind? I can Only take his writing for it and He said no one knows the Thoughts of GOD except the Spirit of God.... . So Paul is talking about God and not God the Father ... Paul clearly says God the Father when he has to. You see your problem is you base you stupidity on assumptions and not logic, that's what you are taught.
Hahahahahaha at highlighted, so who then ... For you to claim it isn't God the Father , you must have gotten evidence of who ... Tell us ? Am seriously enjoying this You continued
"It can never be Trinity because he mentioned spirit of God differently."
Irrelevant, why are you so dumb, did I say anything about trinity in that verse? I was barely telling you that THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS GOD. And I used that to Ellaborate that God is being spoken about there and not God the Father. .. guys... I'm I debating with an illiterate or what? Must I become a fool to communicate to a fool? I'm being so plain and simple in my communication yet I'm being misunderstood....
If you have sense , you would know am only saying why it can't be Trinity, in short .. Who did Paul refer to as " God " ? Are you clueless on that? Also i challenged you previously on proving to me that my statement about the Holy Spirit meant he wasn't part of the trinity from the beginning. You ignored that ... don't open your mouth and make stupid bold Claims if you can't defend them...fool....
If the spirit of God is same Him Who is the Him ? God .? Which God cos there areany Gods ? Identify
Everyone will see your stupidity including you stupid friends:
You said
"Colossians 1:15 " first BORN of all creation "
Firstborn of all creation, so why did you say Firstborn of God?.. ... if you want us to talk about Christ being the First born of creation do so and stop going around the Bush...
You are so funny,.you said again
"Hebrews 1:6 Gods first BORN"
Funny guy, you see how you don't understand scripture , the Greek word there to imply His is τὸν(ton) meaning "the"
So "His" is not a better renderation of that greek word and that is why you see the KJV and some others use "The" which is what the Greek says.
This is from your precious ESV
ESV And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.
So where does it say He is Gods firstborn?? My friend you see we are not as dumb and stupid and scared as you, all you had to say was "He was the First born of creation,meaning he was created", then using that we will see if he was created or not according to your claims. But if you stupidly say He is God's Firstborn which the verse didn't so say then you are telling us that you are being stupid...
His Firstborn says some versions Now you switch, then the logical question is: The Firstborn of who ? Who is his Father ? No single sense dey your head
His stupidity continues
"How was he born ?"
The same way Mary was able to become pregnant without a seed of man, which means God is capable of doing anything which the human mind cannot comprehend, same way Jesus was begotten.. ... i hope this answers your silly question..
In conclusion which really surprised me given I expected more from you, you said
"Gruni1234, see the highlighted .
How then did God born the mountains. If he didn't create them
Let's see how God Born"
You see how stupid you are? You cited Psalm 90:2 to prove your claim that God born the mountains, okay, I simply asked you
How did you know God borning the mountains means He created them? I did not see create there but born.. So how did you know it means He created them? Let me give you a good one, and I'm giving it to you on a silver platter... You see because I'm not scared like a chicken... do you know God did not create man but Made man, even though it is said He created All things? I'm praying it's not too hard for you to understand so we can have a lively chat about it....
Now you are asking me how did God born if he didn't create them, the verse there said Born not create, so why do you also assume it's create? ......my questions are simple yet he fails to understand them and answer them..
My friend you see I took my time to answer all your points why don't you answer mine
Okay, Mountains are not among Gods creations ? I need an answer I asked you
"Were you born by your mother or were created by Her? Assuming the word create and born are the same"
You ignored it... why? ... You have no balls.. scared little "girl"
We are dealing with what it means when God born . So answer that question about mountains 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Hairyrapunzel: 6:06pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
Barristter07:
Okay
The children are human too
Explain what that Hebrews mean !!!
Real chicken , don't be scared to explain
Cc: Gruni1234 , u can help him
Wait sef , who deny it means human
Aren't the children human too ?
Yeeparipa , Chicken Explain that Hebrews for us.
Which Nature did he share with the children ?
A fake Christian dismiss Scripture as irrelevant. Scripture Cannot be broken, it wont contradict ...Why not explain since you know the context ?
Is Hebrews lying he shared the nature of the children??
This won't save you
Jesus never denied been an offspring of David, he just want them to know he is bigger , higher and exists before David .
Sense
Mr Context , then explain Hebrews 2:14 in context .. Which Nature did Jesus share with Children ?
says a coward , abeg address the above.
Spirit of man is Not man . if it is, that means Jesus went to heaven the day he died since his spirit return to the Father. Luke 23:46
Genesis 2:7 Jehovah went on to form the man out of dust.
He was called MAN even without Spirit in him , when he was just dust
Hahahahahaha at highlighted, so who then ... For you to claim it isn't God the Father , you must have gotten evidence of who ... Tell us ?
Am seriously enjoying this
If you have sense , you would know am only saying why it can't be Trinity, in short .. Who did Paul refer to as " God " ?
Are you clueless on that?
If the spirit of God is same Him Who is the Him ? God .? Which God cos there areany Gods ?
Identify
His Firstborn says some versions
Now you switch, then the logical question is: The Firstborn of who ?
Who is his Father ?
No single sense dey your head
Okay, Mountains are not among Gods creations ?
I need an answer
We are dealing with what it means when God born .
So answer that question about mountains Ephraim and David are first borns. What does it mean? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Hairyrapunzel: 6:15pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
Barristter07:
Sum and substance. If that's correct, Neither you or zodiakzax should have problem explaining that Hebrews.
As it is you guys are floating.
Which Nature did he Share with the Children of Adam ? Taking into consideration " Sum" Imperfect like the children ?
U just started
Jesus exist before David , that's his point to his opposer's . that doesn't nullify he came through David line.
Nothing is Contradictory, I will deal with that baseless analogy when i reply him.
Am not against his quoting other verses , so far they relate to the point of discussion.
Na fear dey make him shake when he saw other verses
It's irrelevant , Show me the underlined boldly from that Hebrews ? You keep bringing up a matter not relevant to what we are discussing , I didn't discuss this and am not until am through with the present ones . Orderliness
The issue is " when God born "!!!
How did God born the mountains , Care to explain what that means ? Psalm 89:27 27 Also[b] I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.[/b] David is God's first born therefore, David is brought into existence first, David is first created, David is given birth to first. Jeremiah 31:9 They will come with weeping; they will pray as I bring them back. I will lead them beside streams of water on a level path where they will not stumble, because I am Israel’s father, and Ephraim is my firstborn sonEphraim is God's first born son therefore he is first created, he was brought into existence first, he was given birth to first. Na you talk o. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 11:19pm On Dec 01, 2018 |
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