CAPTIVATOR:


concerning the bolded, Where did he ever said that ?

zodiakzax:



.... You can't answer if Jesus was begotten or not but has the mouth to answer for someone...

zodiakzax:


I will try as much as possible not to insult you for my readers sake..


So here was what happened guys: barristter07 in defending his claim that Jesus called the Father MY LORD:

1. lied that David didn't call Jesus my Lord but Lord, I proved to him that David called Him My Lord... .. He didn't respond to that..

2.said Sarah called Abraham Lord and Peter referred to this so Abrham is Sarah's Lord, I also proved to him with scriptures that Sarah called Abraham My Lord.

Now he asked me to Provide where Jesus is addressed as Lord of heaven and earth oga?"

I did and quoted the verse

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philippians 2:10‭-‬11 KJV 

Jesus is to be Aknowledge by ALL as the Lord of Heaven and earth and under the Earth including The Father.



What did he do? He went to Corithians, different letter, different sect of people, the apostle was addressing to defend his claim..

Here was what he said


"The. One who gave that instruction and subject all things to him is Excluded . 1 Cor 15:47"


So my question is why didn't the Apsotle Paul who wrote the letters to different people, state that in philipians when He said ALL WERE TO BOW IN HEAVEN AND ALL WERE TO CONFEES THAT JESUS IS LORD, that the Father wasn't included. When talking about authority he to the Corithians said the Father wasn't subject to him. He was clear on that but in addressing the Philipians why didn't he say All except God the Father since he was addressing different people? I made it clear that the Apostle could not have said that because this particular statement which he made was from Yahweh Himself when He said :

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Romans 14:11 KJV

Yahweh is saying every knee shall bow to HIM, PAUL uses this to tell us that Yahweh here is Christ, and every tongue shall confess to God. Now why did Paul not use the Lord in place of God? He could have said:

"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to me"

But instead "to me" to imply the Lord, He said "to God". So why the play of words?

Now when we carefully examine Phil 2:10-11, Paul said the same, He said Every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Yahweh (Lord) to the glory of God The Father. So here again we See Yahweh and God as compared to his statement in Romans 14:11.

Now you repeated a question I answered and threw a challenge at You

You said:

"And the one sent at Isaiah 48:16 called another Lord. Showing the one sent is not Yahweh."


From our previous chats:


You said: 


"Isaiah 48:16 , you said the one sent is Yahweh , and the speaker is Yahweh . 

unfortunately, the one sent is calling Yahweh Lord ( Sign of subjection ) . showing clearly, the one sent is not Yahweh . Yahweh is the most high and would never call anyone Lord , its a sign of subjection ."


I acknowledged that Yahweh cannot call another Lord because He is the Only True God and Lord and beside Him there's no other God . Do you agree to this?

Now you were basing your claim on what I Said,

So I asked you Who the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 was? Yahweh or Isaiah?

So my challenge to You was

"If you agree with me that the Speaker in Isaiah 48:16 is Yahweh then I will gladly answer you."

You never answered but continued to argue on this, I'm trying to be polite





....

zodiakzax:



So here we go...

You said:


"You didn't answer , Yes he came as human being but a Nature SIMILAR to Adams CHILDREN. ( so that renders your garden of eden analysis Zero )"

My friend stop this stupidity, where did I say he came as Adams children? This is your assumption...This is the verse in question:

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
Philippians 2:6‭-‬7 NIV


He came as a human, a human being,.human likeness.. and I pointed out to you that He came a perfect being, with no sin, like those perfect beings God made in the garden.

why are you quoting Hebrews? Was the writer in Hebrews comparing the nature of God and Man? The Hebrews you are citing is in different context and not relevant to this....

That's what you do always taking out of context.

You continued:


"Liar , Spirit of man isn't the same as Him"


You see how dumb you are, i was only giving you an example to show you it was God I was referring to.

I said, "if I say the Spirit of man is the same as Him what do I mean?"

It means the Spirit of man is the same as Man.. You see how stupid you are? An example...

Aside that, in truth, just to correct you, the Spirit of man is man. You can ask if you want....

You said

"Back to the topic @ highlighted .. Who is that God . identify
And that's God the Father ... Comprehende ?"

You are forcing me to say something that isn't there..No that's not God the Father, that is you assuming it's God the Father, .. Paul said "no one knows the Thoughts of God except the Spirit of God" Paul did not say "no one knows the Thoughts of the Father except the Spirit of the Father" how dumb are you bruv? The Holy Spirit is God correct? The Father is God correct? So the Spirit Knows the Thoughts of the Father and Father knows the Thoughts of the Spirit correct? And both are God.

You continued to prove how dumb you are, you said

"I now know you have no single idea what u dived into."

well we will see wont we?

You said:

"Jesus is regarded as Gods first BORN .meaning he was Born."


show me where Jesus is regarded as God's firstborn?

Your stupidity continues:

You said

"When God born , that which. He born is a creation"

and you quoted

"Psalm 90:2 says God BORN the Mountains , it simply means God Create them. Unless your reasoning faculty is faulty. 

That's why Jesus is said to be born, Created."


... How did you know God borning the mountains means He created them? I did not see create there but born.. So how did you know it means creation?


So my turn to ask you a question

Were you born by your mother or were created by Her? Assuming the word create and born are the same..


My reasoning faculty is working perfectly well.. ...

Barristter07:


See this person, Begotten means brought into existence .. So yes I believe Jesus was brought into existence by his Father.

zodiakzax:


my friend i don't care what it means, are you scared? Is Jesus begotten or not... are you a chicken? Be bold and say it... You organization boldly says He's begotten.... You do you say the same.....scared little boy.... don't debate if you are scared....

zodiakzax:



.... You can't answer if Jesus was begotten or not but has the mouth to answer for someone...


Yes Mary, how did she become pregnant without a man that should answer him...fool....

zodiakzax:



So here we go...

You said:


"You didn't answer , Yes he came as human being but a Nature SIMILAR to Adams CHILDREN. ( so that renders your garden of eden analysis Zero )"

My friend stop this stupidity, where did I say he came as Adams children? This is your assumption...This is the verse in question:

Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
Philippians 2:6‭-‬7 NIV


He came as a human, a human being,.human likeness.. and I pointed out to you that He came a perfect being, with no sin, like those perfect beings God made in the garden.

why are you quoting Hebrews? Was the writer in Hebrews comparing the nature of God and Man? The Hebrews you are citing is in different context and not relevant to this....

That's what you do always taking out of context.


You continued:


"Liar , Spirit of man isn't the same as Him"


You see how dumb you are, i was only giving you an example to show you it was God I was referring to.

I said, "if I say the Spirit of man is the same as Him what do I mean?"

It means the Spirit of man is the same as Man.. You see how stupid you are? An example...

Aside that, in truth, just to correct you, the Spirit of man is man. You can ask if you want....


You said

"Back to the topic @ highlighted .. Who is that God . identify
And that's God the Father ... Comprehende ?"

You are forcing me to say something that isn't there..No that's not God the Father, that is you assuming it's God the Father, .. Paul said "no one knows the Thoughts of God except the Spirit of God" Paul did not say "no one knows the Thoughts of the Father except the Spirit of the Father" how dumb are you bruv? The Holy Spirit is God correct? The Father is God correct? So the Spirit Knows the Thoughts of the Father and Father knows the Thoughts of the Spirit correct? And both are God.


You continued to prove how dumb you are, you said

"I now know you have no single idea what u dived into."

well we will see wont we?

You said:

"Jesus is regarded as Gods first BORN .meaning he was Born."


show me where Jesus is regarded as God's firstborn?

Your stupidity continues:

You said

"When God born , that which. He born is a creation"

and you quoted

"Psalm 90:2 says God BORN the Mountains , it simply means God Create them. Unless your reasoning faculty is faulty. 

That's why Jesus is said to be born, Created."


... How did you know God borning the mountains means He created them? I did not see create there but born.. So how did you know it means creation?


So my turn to ask you a question

Were you born by your mother or were created by Her? Assuming the word create and born are the same..


My reasoning faculty is working perfectly well.. ...


Now barrister07 I respect you enough to answer every question of yours,even the stupid ones, why dont you give me that same respect to answer mine? If I were to behave like you,i dont think we would continue this thread...

I asked you if you believed that Jesus Christ is the Begotten Son of God, you have not answered that, nor even addressed it. I don't think we can continue having a discussion if you don't answer that.

Kikikikikiki How are mountains Born oooooo . Plenty film on this thread

2) if you don't have sense ,he quote Hebrew to let you know that nature is patterned after that of the Children

Barristter07:
This guy is a comedian . lets examine your write up




According to the Bible, he shared the same nature as Adams Children, is the Bible lying ? #E3





Gruni1234, Your fellow doesn't know scripture doesn't contradict.

Is Hebrew lying ?

That Hebrew explain the kind of human nature he has.

Why is this giving you headache

E1 hasn't been answered




Spirit of man is not man . FACT



Confirm silly person.

Okay who did Paul has in mind when mentioned Hod ?


It can never be Trinity because he mentioned spirit of God differently .

So E4# begs for answer



Colossians 1:15 " first BORN of all creation "

Hebrews 1:6 Gods first BORN

How was he born ?



Gruni1234, see the highlighted .

How then did God born the mountains. If he didn't create them

Let's see how God Born

one chance for this guy

Barristter07:


See this person, Begotten means brought into existence .. So yes I believe Jesus was brought into existence by his Father.

CAPTIVATOR:




Kikikikikiki How are mountains Born oooooo . Plenty film on this thread

2) if you don't have sense ,he quote Hebrew to let you know that nature is patterned after that of the Children

Hairyrapunzel:

Is Jesus the only begotten son of God? Yes or no.
Is Jesus the one and only son of God? Yes or no

Who asked you to give meaning and answer with meaning?
Are you afraid/ashamed to say Jesus is the only begotten son of God?

No wahala God gave birth to Jesus via sexual intercourse. Are you satisfied?

Barristter07:


Whaaaat? Scared of who? Iwo ke hahaha

Jesus is Gods begotten son. I don't know what your problem is.

Tell us how he was begotten, you refuse

Barristter07:


Whaaaat? Scared of who? Iwo ke hahaha

Jesus is Gods begotten son. I don't know what your problem is.

Tell us how he was begotten, you refuse

zodiakzax:



..


Guys you heard that? ... how long did it take you to say this....


So if Christ is the Begotten Son of God then according to Hebrews He's not An angel. Period... so your whole Jesus being angel Michael thing is a false and a lie. PERIOD...


I am not God to tell you how he was begotten, I just told you since you can't explain how Mary became pregnant without the seed of man meaning the ways of God are not our ways, so also I can't explain how Jesus was Begotten. ...

zodiakzax:


.. You see how stupid you are Barristter07? You can't explain anything, only thing you can do is say E1 E2 E3 but you can't bodly answer simple questions thrown at you.. chicken.. is Jesus Christ the Begotten Son of God...the he runs around chasing his tail...



Let's start:

You said "According to the Bible, he shared the same nature as Adams Children, is the Bible lying ? #E3"


Well according to the same bible he shared in the nature of human. , why are you being dumb my friend, we need to go to the context to see what it means. Phil 2 was where the comparison of the two natures was made. Nature of God and Nature of man, you run to Hebrews a different book written in a different context to make a stupid claim. And the claim you make doesn't mean anything because Phil 2 didn't say anything about Children but HUMAN BEING, Human. If we both believe the writer of hebrew is the same Paul why DIDNT he use the same wording for that? You were making a stupid claim about the likeness of men and I challenged you it was human being, being referred to, and challenged you to bring Phil 2:6-7 from your NWT. You didn't and you run to Hebrews 1, where the word human is bodly written in Phil 2:7.



Your foolishness continues:

You said

"Gruni1234, Your fellow doesn't know scripture doesn't contradict.

Is Hebrew lying ? 

That Hebrew explain the kind of human nature he has. 

Why is this giving you headache 

E1 hasn't been answered"

Hebrews is irrelevant, scripture doesn't contradict each other on the ideology it presents. One nonetheless must look at the context in which it is written to better understand it...

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Revelation 22:16 KJV

JESUS clearly states here himself that he is the offspring of David, but we know he challenged some Jews who said he was the Son of David, He said how can He be son if David called Him LORD? Was Jesus trying to say he wasn't the Son of David? Is scripture contradicting itself? So to determine that you need to go back to the context in which it was written... .. So stop your stupidity....

JESUS came as A Perfect Human Being , Human without Sin for so were the first man made...per the context in which it was written..


You clearly made a fool out of yourself when you quoted me out of context, next time be cautious....

You continued:

Spirit of man is not man . FACT

So how come Man has Spirit,Soul and Body? Without the body there's no man, without Spirit and Soul, there's no man, so how come you say Spirit of Man is not man? You sound stupid all the time..


You continued your foolishness:

You said

"Okay who did Paul has in mind when mentioned Hod ?



you see how stupid you sound again?

Who did Paul have in mind? Stupid.. I'm I the spirit of Paul to know his mind? I can Only take his writing for it and He said no one knows the Thoughts of GOD except the Spirit of God..... So Paul is talking about God and not God the Father..... Paul clearly says God the Father when he has to. You see your problem is you base you stupidity on assumptions and not logic, that's what you are taught.


You continued


"It can never be Trinity because he mentioned spirit of God differently."

Irrelevant, why are you so dumb, did I say anything about trinity in that verse? I was barely telling you that THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS GOD. And I used that to Ellaborate that God is being spoken about there and not God the Father. .. guys... I'm I debating with an illiterate or what? Must I become a fool to communicate to a fool? I'm being so plain and simple in my communication yet I'm being misunderstood....

Also i challenged you previously on proving to me that my statement about the Holy Spirit meant he wasn't part of the trinity from the beginning. You ignored that ... don't open your mouth and make stupid bold Claims if you can't defend them...fool....


Everyone will see your stupidity including you stupid friends:

You said

"Colossians 1:15 " first BORN of all creation " 


Firstborn of all creation, so why did you say Firstborn of God?.. ... if you want us to talk about Christ being the First born of creation do so and stop going around the Bush...


You are so funny,.you said again


"Hebrews 1:6 Gods first BORN"


Funny guy, you see how you don't understand scripture
, the Greek word there to imply His is τὸν(ton) meaning "the"

So "His" is not a better renderation of that greek word and that is why you see the KJV and some others use "The" which is what the Greek says.

This is from your precious ESV


ESV
And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.


So where does it say He is Gods firstborn?? My friend you see we are not as dumb and stupid and scared as you, all you had to say was "He was the First born of creation,meaning he was created", then using that we will see if he was created or not according to your claims. But if you stupidly say He is God's Firstborn which the verse didn't so say then you are telling us that you are being stupid...



His stupidity continues

"How was he born ?"

The same way Mary was able to become pregnant without a seed of man, which means God is capable of doing anything which the human mind cannot comprehend, same way Jesus was begotten.. ... i hope this answers your silly question..


In conclusion which really surprised me given I expected more from you, you said


"Gruni1234, see the highlighted .

How then did God born the mountains. If he didn't create them

Let's see how God Born"


You see how stupid you are? You cited Psalm 90:2 to prove your claim that God born the mountains, okay, I simply asked you

How did you know God borning the mountains means He created them? I did not see create there but born.. So how did you know it means He created them? Let me give you a good one, and I'm giving it to you on a silver platter... You see because I'm not scared like a chicken... do you know God did not create man but Made man, even though it is said He created All things? I'm praying it's not too hard for you to understand so we can have a lively chat about it....

Now you are asking me how did God born if he didn't create them, the verse there said Born not create, so why do you also assume it's create? ......my questions are simple yet he fails to understand them and answer them..


My friend you see I took my time to answer all your points why don't you answer mine

I asked you

"Were you born by your mother or were created by Her? Assuming the word create and born are the same"

You ignored it... why? ... You have no balls.. scared little "girl"

Hairyrapunzel:


You know they like assuming and after assuming they will make their assumptions their beliefs.

He wants you to tell him how Jesus was begotten because he thinks you have become God. He expects you to give him answers on things bible was silent about.

zodiakzax:


..yes.... Now I am God so I will tell him how Jesus was begotten.. I have a penis on my right thigh and vagina on my left thigh, and then after I did myself I layed egg, and out of the egg Jesus came out... .... such stupidity.....

Gruni1234:


Hahahahahahahhaahaha zodiakzax, you are quite funny. But You know the interesting thing is that the Muslims actually believe that was how Shaiton(satan) gave birth to his demonic children. Exactly as you said it, having a p***s and a v****a on his thighs and with that he had intercourse with himself and laid an egg everyday and out of the eggs came 70 Satanic children. Islamic religion is one funny Religion with their prophet being possessed by Satan etc.

Enjoy the rest of your day Gentlemen.

zodiakzax:




Another stupid one.... Go and laugh at your friend who quoted this verse, and also laugh at the writer who said Born instead of create... ... why is he not able to boldly tell me that Jesus is the Begotten son of God... stupid jokers.... scared little "girls"

People are reading, of course you will never admit anything, but you see on writing for OTHERS TO SEE..

Gruni1234:


Things are getting interesting. Like i said before Barristter is struggling, please make sure to answer all questions addressed to You, I know how zodiakzax feels. Barristter also my advice is be on point and as learned person stay on a verse which explains itself. Good example zodiakzax used was the offspring of David thing, I'm to assume then that the bible contradicts itself? Well if it does then the bible itself is fake and not worthy of my time. I'm learning interesting things, but as a learned person I will do more research into that since zodiakzax didn't specifically say it does.

Barrister07, from the beginning of your debate with zodiakzax you held a very strong point that Jesus was a son of god just like angels are sons of God. You were asked repeatedly whether Jesus was the Begotten son of God, you were never specific in your answering. Now that you accept Jesus is the Begotten Son of God, then indeed Jesus cannot be an angel since the Book of Hebrews says NO ANGEL was begotten of God. It is quite clear that that doctrine is false and must be removed.


Surely born is not the same as create. Born is bring forth out of pre-existing substance whereas create is to bring forth out of nothing.

Your mother gave birth(born) to you. She did not create you. To say she created you is nonsense since that's not the case.


I am currently reading more about the doctrine of the Jehovah witnesses on who Jesus Christ is/was. I will post my find when I'm done. And like I said I will not be biased. I have started John 1:1 and it's getting interesting already.

Thank you.

zodiakzax:



[s]
Another stupid one.... Go and laugh at your friend who quoted this verse, and also laugh at the writer who said Born instead of create... ... why is he not able to boldly tell me that Jesus is the Begotten son of God... stupid jokers.... scared little "girls"

People are reading, of course you will never admit anything, but you see on writing for OTHERS TO SEE..

zodiakzax:



[s]
Another stupid one.... Go and laugh at your friend who quoted this verse, and also laugh at the writer who said Born instead of create... ... why is he not able to boldly tell me that Jesus is the Begotten son of God... stupid jokers.... scared little "girls"

People are reading, of course you will never admit anything, but you see on writing for OTHERS TO SEE [/s] ..

OneJ:


Born, definition
*Past participle of bear.
1a. brought into life by birth.
1b. brought into existence, CREATED. >a new nation was BORN with the revolution.

Gruni ,zodiakzax, brocab, Johnw47,, who is the father and mother of the " new nation born with the revolution?"

The word "born" has dual meaning, that is, birth or created.
INDISPUTABLE FACT.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/born

"Before the mountains were born,
or you brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God"
Psalms 90:2.

These questions dey hang for una head:

1) How did Yahweh born the mountains?

2) How did Yahweh brought forth the earth and the world?

3)How did Yahweh brought forth Jesus Christ, his son?

These questions have ONLY one answer:
Yahweh CREATED
1)the mountains.
(2) earth and the world.
(3) Jesus Christ his son.

https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/make_1
Make , definition
1.create/ produce
2. cause to be formed

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/make

1. to cause to exist or happen, CREATE
2.to bring into existence
Verb , make
3.make=create
synonyms> beget , bring forth, generate.

Jesus did not exist until Yahweh brought him into existence ( created, made, generated, brought forth) his begotten son.
The bitter truth is crystal clear.
Remain with your mumu or press exit mode, the choice is yours.
Shalom

Gruni1234:


Things are getting interesting. Like i said before Barristter is struggling, please make sure to answer all questions addressed to You, I know how zodiakzax feels. Barristter also my advice is be on point and as learned person stay on a verse which explains itself. Good example zodiakzax used was the offspring of David thing, I'm to assume then that the bible contradicts itself? Well if it does then the bible itself is fake and not worthy of my time. I'm learning interesting things, but as a learned person I will do more research into that since zodiakzax didn't specifically say it does.

Barrister07, from the beginning of your debate with zodiakzax you held a very strong point that Jesus was a son of god just like angels are sons of God. You were asked repeatedly whether Jesus was the Begotten son of God, you were never specific in your answering. Now that you accept Jesus is the Begotten Son of God, then indeed Jesus cannot be an angel since the Book of Hebrews says NO ANGEL was begotten of God. It is quite clear that that doctrine is false and must be removed.


Surely born is not the same as create. Born is bring forth out of pre-existing substance whereas create is to bring forth out of nothing.

Your mother gave birth(born) to you. She did not create you. To say she created you is nonsense since that's not the case.


I am currently reading more about the doctrine of the Jehovah witnesses on who Jesus Christ is/was. I will post my find when I'm done. And like I said I will not be biased. I have started John 1:1 and it's getting interesting already.

Thank you.

CAPTIVATOR:


You are a coded Jw hater , born doesn't mean Create. Explain Psalm. 90:2 to this forum !!!

CAPTIVATOR:


That psalm 90:2 did a total finishing Lolzzz

Handshake for you unlike some who switched off their brain when confronted with Facts

Gruni1234:


Things are getting interesting. Like i said before Barristter is struggling, please make sure to answer all questions addressed to You, I know how zodiakzax feels. Barristter also my advice is be on point and as learned person stay on a verse which explains itself.

Good example zodiakzax used was the offspring of David thing, I'm to assume then that the bible contradicts itself? Well if it does then the bible itself is fake and not worthy of my time. I'm learning interesting things, but as a learned person I will do more research into that since zodiakzax didn't specifically say it does.

Barrister07, from the beginning of your debate with zodiakzax you held a very strong point that Jesus was a son of god just like angels are sons of God. You were asked repeatedly whether Jesus was the Begotten son of God, you were never specific in your answering. Now that you accept Jesus is the Begotten Son of God, then indeed Jesus cannot be an angel since the Book of Hebrews says NO ANGEL was begotten of God . It is quite clear that that doctrine is false and must be removed.

Surely born is not the same as create. Born is bring forth out of pre-existing substance whereas create is to bring forth out of nothing.

Your mother gave birth(born) to you. She did not create you. To say she created you is nonsense since that's not the case.


I am currently reading more about the doctrine of the Jehovah witnesses on who Jesus Christ is/was. I will post my find when I'm done. And like I said I will not be biased. I have started John 1:1 and it's getting interesting already.

Thank you.

zodiakzax:


Let's start:

You said "According to the Bible, he shared the same nature as Adams Children, is the Bible lying ? #E3"


Well according to the same bible he shared in the nature of human. ,

why are you being dumb my friend, we need to go to the context to see what it means. Phil 2 was where the comparison of the two natures was made. Nature of God and Nature of man, you run to Hebrews a different book written in a different context to make a stupid claim. And the claim you make doesn't mean anything because Phil 2 didn't say anything about Children but HUMAN BEING, Human. If we both believe the writer of hebrew is the same Paul why DIDNT he use the same wording for that? You were making a stupid claim about the likeness of men and I challenged you it was human being, being referred to, and challenged you to bring Phil 2:6-7 from your NWT. You didn't and you run to Hebrews 1, where the word human is bodly written in Phil 2:7.

Your foolishness continues:

You said

"Gruni1234, Your fellow doesn't know scripture doesn't contradict.

Is Hebrew lying ? 

That Hebrew explain the kind of human nature he has. 

Why is this giving you headache 

E1 hasn't been answered"


Hebrews is irrelevant , scripture doesn't contradict each other on the ideology it presents. One nonetheless must look at the context in which it is written to better understand it...

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Revelation 22:16 KJV

JESUS clearly states here himself that he is the offspring of David, but we know he challenged some Jews who said he was the Son of David, He said how can He be son if David called Him LORD? Was Jesus trying to say he wasn't the Son of David? Is scripture contradicting itself? So to determine that you need to go back to the context in which it was written... .. So stop your stupidity....

JESUS came as A Perfect Human Being , Human without Sin for so were the first man made...per the context in which it was written..

You clearly made a fool out of yourself when you quoted me out of context, next time be cautious....

You continued:

Spirit of man is not man . FACT

So how come Man has Spirit,Soul and Body? Without the body there's no man, without Spirit and Soul, there's no man, so how come you say Spirit of Man is not man? You sound stupid all the time..

You continued your foolishness:

You said

"Okay who did Paul has in mind when mentioned Hod ?



you see how stupid you sound again?

Who did Paul have in mind? Stupid.. I'm I the spirit of Paul to know his mind? I can Only take his writing for it and He said no one knows the Thoughts of GOD except the Spirit of God.... . So Paul is talking about God and not God the Father ... Paul clearly says God the Father when he has to. You see your problem is you base you stupidity on assumptions and not logic, that's what you are taught.

You continued


"It can never be Trinity because he mentioned spirit of God differently."

Irrelevant, why are you so dumb, did I say anything about trinity in that verse? I was barely telling you that THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS GOD. And I used that to Ellaborate that God is being spoken about there and not God the Father. .. guys... I'm I debating with an illiterate or what? Must I become a fool to communicate to a fool? I'm being so plain and simple in my communication yet I'm being misunderstood....

Also i challenged you previously on proving to me that my statement about the Holy Spirit meant he wasn't part of the trinity from the beginning. You ignored that ... don't open your mouth and make stupid bold Claims if you can't defend them...fool....

Everyone will see your stupidity including you stupid friends:

You said

"Colossians 1:15 " first BORN of all creation " 


Firstborn of all creation, so why did you say Firstborn of God?.. ... if you want us to talk about Christ being the First born of creation do so and stop going around the Bush...


You are so funny,.you said again


"Hebrews 1:6 Gods first BORN"


Funny guy, you see how you don't understand scripture
, the Greek word there to imply His is τὸν(ton) meaning "the"

So "His" is not a better renderation of that greek word and that is why you see the KJV and some others use "The" which is what the Greek says.

This is from your precious ESV


ESV
And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.


So where does it say He is Gods firstborn?? My friend you see we are not as dumb and stupid and scared as you, all you had to say was "He was the First born of creation,meaning he was created", then using that we will see if he was created or not according to your claims. But if you stupidly say He is God's Firstborn which the verse didn't so say then you are telling us that you are being stupid...

His stupidity continues

"How was he born ?"

The same way Mary was able to become pregnant without a seed of man, which means God is capable of doing anything which the human mind cannot comprehend, same way Jesus was begotten.. ... i hope this answers your silly question..


In conclusion which really surprised me given I expected more from you, you said


"Gruni1234, see the highlighted .

How then did God born the mountains. If he didn't create them

Let's see how God Born"


You see how stupid you are? You cited Psalm 90:2 to prove your claim that God born the mountains, okay, I simply asked you

How did you know God borning the mountains means He created them? I did not see create there but born.. So how did you know it means He created them? Let me give you a good one, and I'm giving it to you on a silver platter... You see because I'm not scared like a chicken... do you know God did not create man but Made man, even though it is said He created All things? I'm praying it's not too hard for you to understand so we can have a lively chat about it....

Now you are asking me how did God born if he didn't create them, the verse there said Born not create, so why do you also assume it's create? ......my questions are simple yet he fails to understand them and answer them..


My friend you see I took my time to answer all your points why don't you answer mine

I asked you

"Were you born by your mother or were created by Her? Assuming the word create and born are the same"

You ignored it... why? ... You have no balls.. scared little "girl"

Barristter07:


Okay



The children are human too

Explain what that Hebrews mean !!!

Real chicken , don't be scared to explain

Cc: Gruni1234 , u can help him



Wait sef , who deny it means human

Aren't the children human too ?

Yeeparipa , Chicken Explain that Hebrews for us.

Which Nature did he share with the children ?



A fake Christian dismiss Scripture as irrelevant. Scripture Cannot be broken, it wont contradict ...Why not explain since you know the context ?



Is Hebrews lying he shared the nature of the children??


This won't save you

Jesus never denied been an offspring of David, he just want them to know he is bigger , higher and exists before David .

Sense

Mr Context , then explain Hebrews 2:14 in context .. Which Nature did Jesus share with Children ?




says a coward , abeg address the above.



Spirit of man is Not man . if it is, that means Jesus went to heaven the day he died since his spirit return to the Father. Luke 23:46

Genesis 2:7 Jehovah went on to form the man out of dust.

He was called MAN even without Spirit in him , when he was just dust



Hahahahahaha at highlighted, so who then ... For you to claim it isn't God the Father , you must have gotten evidence of who ... Tell us ?

Am seriously enjoying this



If you have sense , you would know am only saying why it can't be Trinity, in short .. Who did Paul refer to as " God " ?

Are you clueless on that?



If the spirit of God is same Him
Who is the Him ? God .? Which God cos there areany Gods ?

Identify



His Firstborn says some versions

Now you switch, then the logical question is: The Firstborn of who ?

Who is his Father ?

No single sense dey your head



Okay, Mountains are not among Gods creations ?

I need an answer



We are dealing with what it means when God born .

So answer that question about mountains

Barristter07:


Sum and substance. If that's correct, Neither you or zodiakzax should have problem explaining that Hebrews.

As it is you guys are floating.

Which Nature did he Share with the Children of Adam ? Taking into consideration " Sum" Imperfect like the children ?

U just started



Jesus exist before David , that's his point to his opposer's . that doesn't nullify he came through David line.

Nothing is Contradictory, I will deal with that baseless analogy when i reply him.

Am not against his quoting other verses , so far they relate to the point of discussion.

Na fear dey make him shake when he saw other verses



It's irrelevant , Show me the underlined boldly from that Hebrews ? You keep bringing up a matter not relevant to what we are discussing , I didn't discuss this and am not until am through with the present ones . Orderliness





The issue is " when God born "!!!

How did God born the mountains , Care to explain what that means ?

..yes.... Now I am God so I will tell him how Jesus was begotten.. I have a penis on my right thigh and vagina on my left thigh, and then after I did myself I layed egg, and out of the egg Jesus came out... .... such stupidity.....