TheGoodJoe:


You guys have started. What is big club when it does not suit the player? Chukwueze played for Amunike who is an offensive/possessive coach. Then he moves to villareal which is a team known for good possessive football since the time of Pelegrini. Now you want him to go to a coach known for a Conservative style. Later you guys will say loss of form.

TheGoodJoe:


Even when Nacho drops deep to make things happen, after the build up play, the final balls are still poor. It is difficult for mobile strikers to work in such position.

Mickael2:



Let us look at stats. How many goals did Pellegrini's city score? I remember going in against Real Madrid with a 4-4-2 totally forgetting what it means to attack. So do not add him to the free flowing category so to say.

Now to the issue at hand nobody will argue that Leicester do not create chances, which is why I try as much as I can not to criticise his games(the other day I was talking about the fact that he has lost a yard or two of pace, I noticed that because truly he was making runs but he was a second too late or more) but the truth is you can't just keep making runs after runs without anything working, why not come and try to make things work? We go on and on about how creative he is but aside that chance he created for Vardy two games I cannot point to any creative play this season or at least for the past four weeks that I have watched so let us conclude that his creative side has been effectively coached out of him.

Now how many teams create chances the way you just pointed out?? Fulham's previous coaches sacrificed defensive solidity for attacking flair and they used to create loads of chances but where is their coach now? Gone. Will a coach risk his job just because he wants to create a system that will create goalscoring chances for one player? Meanwhile Vardy has been scoring from the same system and the team is perfectly placed in midtable, if you are the coach tell me you will risk your job just to play that kind of football. It was Rayo in 2013 or so when they got trounced 10-2 by Real Madrid that played that kinda football and they got relegated and I don't know where that their coach is now. The simple point I am making here is it is difficult to find teams who will create ten chances per game among the teams that will be willing to purchase Iheanacho as at this point in time. And considering the fact that he has a 5year contract he needs to suit himself to the team he is now. In 2014 when Tata was the coach of Barca and had them playing american football it didn't stop Messi, he became the creative fulcrum of the team, can't Iheanacho become that for Leicester? Must he be the one at the end of the final pass? Can't he be the one making the final pass?

At 21 though he still has a lot of time. He needs to decide if he is a 9 or a 10 then while signing another contract he should ensure that the club is willing to play him in that position that he wants to play, that's what intelligent players do.

Earthquake2:
Can you identify this player

elyte89:



Troost ekong

TheGoodJoe:


I am not saying the coach should lose his job or change his system. He can for all I care do what he wants. My point is the criticism against Nacho when the circumstances around him clearly shows why the stellar performances suddenly dried up. The system is not working and the same goes to the National team.

As for Nacho the best advise is to work towards joining a side know for creative attacking football and working with a coach that shares the same ideology. Then we can critique.

Earthquake2:


Does Troost Ekong have a Yoruba dad?

Mickael2:


If he drops deep shouldn't he be the one giving the final balls? I mean the other day against Levante, Messi played upfront with Suarez and when he dropped deep he created a goal out of nothing for Suarez as well as other chances for Suarez and Denis which they missed. So I don't understand how he will drop deep and still the final balls will be poor, that means he isn't creative

Diavolo:
it's now obvious that it's either ure unable to intelligently make logical reasoning or deductions or your double standards block you from doing that.
'Let me be intrinsically clear, what I have said is, Because there is no governmental official structure for AUTOMATIC BIRTH DATA CAPTURE it impossible to officially substantiate and or verify age in Nigeria'
What does that your statement mean. Incase you don't know, lemme explain you, what u said above simply means that since there's no automatic birth capture, there's the possibility of every Nigerian player being an age cheat cos there's no way to officially substantiate their age claims.
Now how's the deductions different from what I said earlier.
Pls stop with our childish ways of running when ure caught of double standard by asking for you to be quoted verbatim , when you know that's impossible because no one has the time to be digging for ur previous post. Even when u were shown ur previous quotes verbatim, all you did was either to run away and disappear for sometime or change the goal post.

TheGoodJoe:


What intelligent players do is play in systems that favor their talents. Look at Jadon Sancho moving from Manchester City to Borussia Dortmund. Today all whistles are in him. You think Sancho will have the hype he has now playing for Leicester City?

Look at Aubameyang who had the liberty of missing three good chances in a game at Dortmund and still score two. Today, he is at Arsenal, exercising the same liberty.

Suarez moved from Ajax to Liverpool to Barcelona. That is a brilliant player who always considered the teams philosophy before moving. Before he joined Barcelona, there was a chance of him moving to Arsenal.

TheGoodJoe:


You can see you are judging play with an offensive strategy. Leicester City is not Barcelona. Heck, it is not even Swansea or Bristol City. Heck not even Brighton.

When Nacho falls deep, you still do not get enough forward runs to play final ball.

So when Nacho drops deep, it is to increase the passing option in the middle, enabling interplay and then he makes run into space for the pass.

When he makes the run, we are back to square one. Poor passes or passing choices.

Mickael2:



But how is it not justified when he actually gets chances and he misses them. I mean look at the game against South Africa he missed the chance he got, does he need twenty chances to score? Then he isn't clinical.

By the way what I was implying was that if push comes to shove Pelligrini would easily adopt a defensive approach to save his job unlike managers like Siasia for example.

Mickael2:


They play a 4-4-2 system if he drops deep I am certain Vardy will make proper runs for him.

andrew444:


Dembele is undisciplined but keeps on scoring so Barca have no problem with that

Earthquake2:


If Sam goes he would be defending most of the time

Atletico is not an attacking team and Lemar is not finding the defending thing funny

Mickael2:


I can give you a list of players that have gone to such teams and they still pull such numbers. Diego Costa feeds on scraps in Atletico, I cannot point out any truly creative player there just workhorses everywhere (please don't call Saul or Joke creative players) but he still scores over and again. Carol once played under Big Sam in West Ham and it didn't stop him one bit. Players make moves that will suit their playing style, yes if I argue with that then I am juat lying through my teeth but the fact of the matter, the present continuous is that Iheanacho has a five year contract with Leicester. Telling everybody that they should keep quiet while he keeps on losing form is not possible, he made the decision when he moved to the club, I will give you kudos because you wanted him to stay back at City, I at some point believe I did so too but he didn't do it, he is at Leicester now and after two seasons he should have learnt well enough that he is in a new, dire environment

Earthquake2:
Can you identify this player

Mickael2:


I can give you a list of players that have gone to such teams and they still pull such numbers. Diego Costa feeds on scraps in Atletico, I cannot point out any truly creative player there just workhorses everywhere (please don't call Saul or Joke creative players) but he still scores over and again. Carol once played under Big Sam in West Ham and it didn't stop him one bit. Players make moves that will suit their playing style, yes if I argue with that then I am juat lying through my teeth but the fact of the matter, the present continuous is that Iheanacho has a five year contract with Leicester. Telling everybody that they should keep quiet while he keeps on losing form is not possible, he made the decision when he moved to the club, I will give you kudos because you wanted him to stay back at City, I at some point believe I did so too but he didn't do it, he is at Leicester now and after two seasons he should have learnt well enough that he is in a new, dire environment

Mickael2:


I can give you a list of players that have gone to such teams and they still pull such numbers. Diego Costa feeds on scraps in Atletico, I cannot point out any truly creative player there just workhorses everywhere (please don't call Saul or Joke creative players) but he still scores over and again. Carol once played under Big Sam in West Ham and it didn't stop him one bit. Players make moves that will suit their playing style, yes if I argue with that then I am juat lying through my teeth but the fact of the matter, the present continuous is that Iheanacho has a five year contract with Leicester. Telling everybody that they should keep quiet while he keeps on losing form is not possible, he made the decision when he moved to the club, I will give you kudos because you wanted him to stay back at City, I at some point believe I did so too but he didn't do it, he is at Leicester now and after two seasons he should have learnt well enough that he is in a new, dire environment

TheGoodJoe:


You miss the point. The point is in the game against SA Nacho made repeated good runs and the passes did not come. Saying he missed one or two does not mean he is not clinical.

Do you see how many chances Gabriel Jesus gets to miss? Put Nacho in such system and see his stats rise.

As for Pellegrini, he always adopts a compact set-up when his teams loses the ball and when they get the ball back, they attack in full force.

TheGoodJoe:


If it is for Vardy runs, then it has nothing to do with build-up because the man just dashes and expects long balls. It is different from dropping deep to make cohesive play for a good final pass.

The problem is the system to get the best from Nacho. Not to get the best from Vardy.

Joebie:
Of course. But the evildoer should be the focus. What’s there to defend?

Mickael2:



I thought Pellegrini coached Malaga? Did he also coach Villarreal? I remember the run to the quarterfinals though with the likes of Demichelis. That's by the way.

I would personally want Chukwueze to move to either Sevilla or Valencia, I have absolutely no inkling as to what goes on in Atletico but if he is actually wanted to come and replace Vitolo who himself is behind Lemar and Correa fighting for one spot then that would be a bad choice. Sevilla and Valencia play brilliant sweeping football and I think he would thrive there, or worse comes to worse stay with Villarreal and become a god there. That's why I like Aduritz, despite all the interest he stayed put which is what Inaki Williams is doing now and they are rewarding him with a better contract. The move to Atletico is a bad one

TheGoodJoe:


The point is Nacho made a wrong move. I knew this was going to happen before he moved. I am just explaining what I was arguing against. Now is the time for Nacho's agents to earn the money he made them and work on a move for him to a more offensive side that creates chances at will.

Adapting to Leicester City style of play will only slow him down.

TheGoodJoe:


You guys have started. What is big club when it does not suit the player? Chukwueze played for Amunike who is an offensive/possessive coach. Then he moves to villareal which is a team known for good possessive football since the time of Pelegrini. Now you want him to go to a coach known for a Conservative style. Later you guys will say loss of form.

Mickael2:



Hmm. So if you have a team with Nacho and Vardy you will setup the team to get the best out of Iheanacho and not Vardy? You know...that guy that broke Ruud's record of scoring in 12 games, that's the guy you will leave out for a player with 16 goals in 84 appearances. Toh I am dumbfounded sha.

Meanwhile I think you aren't getting my points, if Iheanacho drops deep and collects the ball he will definitely see Vardy making runs then he can connect passes to him, finito so he does not have to be at the end of the final passes. He can create for the team.

TheGoodJoe:


Pellegrini was at Villareal. Took over the team when they got promoted and led them to the Champions league semi finals where they crashed out to Arsenal after Roman Riquelme missed a penalty that would have taken them to the finals against Barcelona. He had Senna, Sorin, Riquelme, Carzola, Forlan in that team.

Coached Malaga. When he took over them, they were number 20 on the table. When he was done with them, they reached the semi finals of the Champions league and his best work was with Isco.

forgiveness:


Make the boy go , abeg.

He will excel.

TheGoodJoe:


Vardy is washing up like hypo bleach. He can not last long in the scene. Holding on to Vardy is clutching on straws.

Nacho has years to offer and still has room for improvement.

Mickael2:



Hmm. So if you have a team with Nacho and Vardy you will setup the team to get the best out of Iheanacho and not Vardy? You know...that guy that broke Ruud's record of scoring in 12 games, that's the guy you will leave out for a player with 16 goals in 84 appearances. Toh I am dumbfounded sha.

Meanwhile I think you aren't getting my points, if Iheanacho drops deep and collects the ball he will definitely see Vardy making runs then he can connect passes to him, finito so he does not have to be at the end of the final passes. He can create for the team.

Mickael2:



I totally didn't know the Villarreal part, no wonder why you love the guy to bits. I only took notice of him at Malaga, I thought he was a good coach and when they lost to Borrusia it was unfortunate, I believe they needed just one goal to qualify no thanks to the away goals rule

Mickael2:


Dude hasn't lost pace at all. He still has two to four solid years to give and considering he is a cult figure there I think every coach will build around him