Originakalokalo:


Sorry. my bad.

I didn't complete the reply.

Sinners will burn in hell and there is nothing wrong with whatever God has decided to do with them.

Clear?

raptex:
Seriously? You see nothing wrong in people burning in hell?

raptex:
What you call "righteousness" is indeed nothing but hypocrisy. Wake up and realize that "eternal damnation" only exists in your mind. Why would a "merciful" god send his own creation to hell? Why would he even create people when he knows that they'll end up in hell? Can't you see that there's something terribly wrong with that story and that god?

Originakalokalo:


Then ask for forgiveness.

Get baptised and live for Christ.

If you are not going to do this,..quoting that scripture is hypocritical

Originakalokalo:


Sinners should ask for Mercy or keep quiet.

Not blaspheme God and cause weak souls to derail.

raptex:
The bible never said outside Christ. It said all OUR righteousness.

Originakalokalo:


Reverse psychology.

When you got likes from your likes you didn't tell them you were joking.

Nothing good comes from anyone who doesn't have the holy spirit..

He is simply a canal man ....who does things naturally...

Insults, lies, sexual perversion, formication, adultery, stealing, etc.

You can open a thread....


I am not interested.

budaatum:

I do not have to ask for forgiveness since I, unlike you, do not appear to go about sinning! Nor do I have to be baptised or even live for Christ.

Please read the lesson taught in the Parable of the Good Samaritan if you need understanding of my words. God seems to be satisfied with me doing likewise, and if God ain't, I wonder why you'd think you, who has not bothered to remove the beam from your own eye are the one God would send to remove the mote in the eye of buda!

The peace of the Lord reigns, Kalokalo. Those in whom God dwells behave Godly or their fruits shall be sower.

CAPSLOCKED:


MANY SENSIBLE PEOPLE KNEW I WAS TROLLING. I USUALLY DON'T HAVE IDLE TIME, AND MY LITTLE FREE TIME IS TAKEN BY MY GIRLFRIEND AND THIS FORUM. .. BUT LETS ASSUME I AM A BORING JOBLESS UNBELIEVER WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE IN LIFE IS TO RUB HIS PENĮS WITH LOTION ALL DAY, EVERY DAY OF HIS LIFE... I'M STILL A TRILLION TIMES BETTER THAN MOST OF Y'ALL BELIEVING HYPOCRITES. AFTER HEAVEN, EVEN HELL WILL REJECT MOST OF Y'ALL CHRISTIANS BECAUSE THE DEVIL IS SCARED OF YOU AND YOUR ATROCITIES.

Originakalokalo:



Children of God,

I hope you are seeing this?

When a masturbator, fornicator liar, and a sexual pervert convinced a theist to become an atheist,

You should know what is really at play here.

They are the ones questioning God's holiness and authority...

A child of God who lives his life for Christ in holiness and righteousness (or striving to attain these) will then listen to them ....


....and then become converted by them...

The Devil is a liar and the Father of it.

Beware, children of God.

raptex:
What you call "righteousness" is indeed nothing but hypocrisy.

raptex:
Wake up and realize that "eternal damnation" only exists in your mind.

raptex:
Why would a "merciful" god send his own creation to hell?

raptex:
Why would he even create people when he knows that they'll end up in hell?

raptex:
Can't you see that there's something terribly wrong with that story and that god?

budaatum:
Why would a god that asks its creations to forgive 70 times 70 times not itself forgive 70 million times 70 million times?

raptex:
Exactly

Originakalokalo:


Do you believe in buda?

budaatum:

Believe in buda, as in budaatum? Of course I do not believe in myself, that's absurd.

I don't not do 'believe', in this context at least. I either know or I do not know. If I were a Christian, I would never believe in a God that I know. Believing is like saying I'm not quite sure that God exists, an insult to God and confirmation of my own stupidity!

I know myself, would be a more accurate expression, at least more than I know anyone else dead or alive.

MuttleyLaff:

How do you mean with this remark?

Exactly what?

budaatum:

God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive. A million time a million times more, at least.

budaatum:

God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive. A million time a million times more, at least.

Originakalokalo:


His mercy is immeasurable.

That's why many can say whatever and they still have life...

That's why we still have the sun, air and rain despite the level of immoralities and evil that is present.

That is why God can be called a dog by an atheists.. and he still enjoys the produce of the ground and still breathes.

Due to this Mercy that is very abundant,

He is tagged weak and not existing...

He keeps quiet still and wait...

Until the time of mercy elapses....

...and then......

HardMirror:
lol! Let us assume coincidentally it was announced that hardmirror died yesterday, you wont come here to say go is merciful, you would be boasting that god is a consuming fire. You would be telling your friends about the hardmirror online that god eventually killed. But since we all alive and doing well, you now say god is very merciful. You dolts.

Ihedinobi3:


Hi. I'm a Christian and I typically don't comment on threads like this because I believe that it is each person's right and responsibility to choose what to believe. I try to limit myself to answering questions about the Bible regardless who may be asking. You haven't asked one here so this comment is a little bit unnatural for me but I figured that since you said the above, you might have some use for input from me.

First thing to say here is that the Bible is clear that Christianity is a war path. I have gone on record here as saying that it is not for the faint-hearted. To begin, choosing to entrust your eternal fate to somebody else, while ridiculously easy in practice, is actually very hard in decision because human beings by nature are most confident in things that they do themselves.

But everyone knows that we are all rebels against God and that there will definitely be something terrible to pay for our rebellion. And everybody knows that God is impossible to appease by our puny efforts. These things are intuitive. It only takes people determined to ignore conscience to succeed at treating these things as untrue.

Now, this is why we need God's Own Help. Because we have no other way of finding or making peace with Him.

But remember that human beings tend to self-reliance. So, the fact that we need God's Help does not mean that we would take it when we are offered it. It would still take swallowing our pride to accept help that comes from outside our own selves.

That is the stumbling block to Faith. Faith always means trusting something that we cannot control. Of course, no one can truly get away from faith. We all believe in something and rely on something for our eternal safety even if that thing is something we made up. But when we make things up, we tend to feel more comfortable trusting them. The problem is that the lies we create immediately put us under the control of powers that we do not control either and which will only bring us to harm in the end.

But God's Help cannot be made up. It can only be accepted or rejected. That is exactly why Christianity is so hard for human beings. Your input is only to accept and obey. Your initiative and creativity is neither required nor desired. There is, of course a sense in which our initiative and creativity has a role in the Christian Faith but it is always as a response of obedience rather than one of arrogance. For example, a believer who does not possess the gift of celibacy is wise to get married but it is up to them to decide who to marry. This is where they are responsible to think through their choice and respond in a way unique to them.

Otherwise, we bring nothing to the Christian Faith at all. Our natural intelligence is neither wanted nor required. Our natural strength and influence are also neither wanted nor required. These things have no value to the Faith and are apt to oppose it. See the example of Cain and Abel.

So, the Christian Faith calls for true humility. It demands that human beings acknowledge their total dependence on God, nothing less than that is acceptable.

Having said all this, it is true that what passes for the Christian Faith in many quarters is anything but. There are many out there who claim to be expert witnesses to the Faith who do very little to actually witness to it.

It is also true that the Bible is hard to understand. Even the existing translations of it and manuscripts etc have some errors in them that trip people up.

But these things are all tests of Faith for everyone. Trust cannot be trust if it is not demonstrated in the absence of "helping evidence". That is, it is pointless to ask somebody to trust you if they can see and understand everything that is going on. Then it wouldn't be trust at all. It would be confirmed, certain knowledge.

Faith, however, is the point of human history. The whole reason we are here is to decide whether we will trust God no matter what or whether we believe that we are, can do and know better than Him. The latter choice is rebellion. We were all born with a natural bent to it. But we can choose to change that inclination and decide that God is trustworthy and that even when we don't fully understand everything, He can be trusted.

That choice is made possible and easy for us with the witness of the world around us and with our own conscience. These two things are why despite the effect of atheistic arguments on this platform, you can still say what I quoted in your post here. Any honest person knows that God exists and that He is unassailable. Any honest person knows that there are such things as good and evil and that we are evil by nature. These are witnesses to the existence of a righteous, just and holy God Whom we could never defeat in a million lifetimes of rebellion.

But how can we believe that Jesus Christ is the way to make peace with this God against Whom we have rebelled? The answer to that is the very Bible itself.

For all the attacks of the enemy on the Bible, its truth still shines clearly through unassailable. It does not matter what translation you pick up, you will see that the Truth refuses to be overwhelmed by the wicked agenda of men who tamper with It. I have seen this personally. But you don't need to take my word for it.

There are human beings however who are hardened in rebellion against God who will not accept any olive branches from Him. So, even the very truth of the Bible is unacceptable to them and whatever may seem like a blemish or an inaccuracy of some sort gives them more excuse to grow more arrogant in their rebellion.

It is possible to resist God and His Truth while we live in this world, remember. It is possible to continue in rebellion against Him and resist the Bible and blame God for all manner of things in an obstinate refusal to hear His Own Side of things. So, I would discourage you from thinking that that possibility ought not to exist. This life is a test for everybody.

But this life will end. Then God will have His Way. Rebellion will not continue indefinitely. God's Character will not be impugned by evil men forever. The Bible will not be smeared and abused forever. These things will definitely come to an end. Then, God will have His Way. And nobody will be able to escape His Justice.

As I have said, it is possible to deny these things in this life. It is possible to arrogantly oppose God while we live. It is possible to call the Bible on the carpet and pretend some kind of mental and intellectual superiority over it in this life. So, the fact that you see that people can do it and that you yourself may be able to do it and get away with it for now should not convince you that there will be nothing to pay for all that. There will literally be hell to pay for it.

Please forgive me for intruding if I have. Your journey is yours and so are your choices. But I considered that perhaps you may be willing to ask yourself if you really know what the Christian Faith is and why you are choosing to abandon it. Perhaps, you are still willing to really get to know Who God is. Or perhaps you are now committed to creating a God of your own choosing to give yourself some false comfort in the things you prefer to do. I do not know. But in the off-chance that it may be the former, I have made this comment. I would be very pleased to help you further if you want it. Otherwise, I wish you well in your journey.

budaatum:

That's not exactly true, depending on what you mean by accept or reject.

Educate me please, now that you are being more Christ like than before. Was there not someone who did not accept Christ but whom Christ said might enter the Kingdom of God before some who said, "Lord Lord"?

raptex:
What you call "righteousness" is indeed nothing but hypocrisy. Wake up and realize that "eternal damnation" only exists in your mind. Why would a "merciful" god send his own creation to hell? Why would he even create people when he knows that they'll end up in hell? Can't you see that there's something terribly wrong with that story and that god?

Originakalokalo:


Okay.

Ihedinobi3:

He obviously does. But I think you mean something different. I think you mean that God should be unjust because He is loving. Since He loves, He should tolerate all manner of evil because punishing evil is unloving. Isn't that what you mean, budaatum?

Originakalokalo:


His mercy is immeasurable.

That's why many can say whatever and they still have life...

That's why we still have the sun, air and rain despite the level of immoralities and evil that is present.

That is why God can be called a dog by an atheists.. and he still enjoys the produce of the ground and still breathes.

Due to this Mercy that is very abundant,

He is tagged weak and not existing...

He keeps quiet still and wait...

Until the time of mercy elapses....

...and then......

Originakalokalo:


His mercy is immeasurable.

That's why many can say whatever and they still have life...

That's why we still have the sun, air and rain despite the level of immoralities and evil that is present.

That is why God can be called a dog by an atheists.. and he still enjoys the produce of the ground and still breathes.

Due to this Mercy that is very abundant,

He is tagged weak and not existing...

He keeps quiet still and wait...

Until the time of mercy elapses....

...and then......

HardMirror:
lol!!! One of the fraudulent natures of christianity it has no straight answer to anything. When good comes, god is good, when you go through though times, you must have sinned or god is testing you.

Originakalokalo:


Let me let you in on a little secret.

God is Almighty, perfect and whatever he does is right.

He is sovereign and does not owe anyone any explanation.

So, if something goes wrong, we believe he knows best and trust in him....

The three Hebrew men were ready to die if Jesus has not showed up...Their faith was not based on Jesus saving them from the fire.

Faith is not applied only when things go well.
God is still God even when things go wrong.

budaatum:

Its that "...and then......" that I would want to disagree with. It's the attitude I have towards my prodigal brother. Its human of me to think "and then" , but I do not think an Almighty God can possibly have such a human flaw.

The thief on the cross springs to mind. The fuqer robs people all his life, probably killing people whilst doing it and then he says, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” And He gets a, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise”? That's a proper Almighty God. And othing points to grace more than that. There's no such thing as "and then" with the loving God of the new testament who just continues to forgive.

The Old Testament God would have turned the thief to salt or burned him long time ago!

HardMirror:
if i write all what you wrote now and put the greek god Zeus there, would you accept it as truth?
So park well with ur useless god. You really think i take you serious?

Originakalokalo:


Let me let you in on a little secret.

God is Almighty, perfect and whatever he does is right.

He is sovereign and does not owe anyone any explanation.

So, if something goes wrong, we believe he knows best and trust in him....

The three Hebrew men were ready to die if Jesus has not showed up...Their faith was not based on Jesus saving them from the fire.

Faith is not applied only when things go well.
God is still God even when things go wrong.

Gideons708:


You wrote that God is Almighty and perfect? But doesn't it contradict your statement of "God is still God when things go wrong".. This statement implies God makes mistakes because things go wrong and if things go wrong..then God isn't perfect after all.

budaatum:

No, I do not mean God should be unjust because He is loving even though we stupid humans might think it unjust if God forgives the sinners. Imagine. I work for my father for years and that useless prodigal brother of mine who has already taken and squandered his own share of our inheritance comes back and they slaughter the best cow that I have been tending, for the bastard! You do know that when our father dies, they would ask me to share my own portion of my inheritance with him, again?!?!

The request given by God for me to forgive 70 times 70 times is not because I should be weak. It's in fact because I ought to be strong (in Christ, for you religious people). It is strength that would allow me overcome the anger at my prodigal brother and share my portion of my inheritance with him. There's is no way that swine deserves it after abandoning our father!

If God asks me to be so strong that when I am slapped I should turn the other cheek, then I am suggesting that God would be 70 million times 70 million times stronger than me and not have a cheek to slap, or not get tired of me slapping It.

Originakalokalo expressed better what I mean when he said:

"His mercy is immeasurable. That's why many can say whatever and they still have life... That is why God can be called a dog by an atheists.. and he still enjoys the produce of the ground and still breathes. Due to this Mercy that is very abundant, He is tagged weak and not existing..."