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|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by budaatum: 5:55pm On Dec 21, 2018|
So, your Bible does not say "do my will", "love one another" and suchlike, and your "preach" does not include "let your light shine"?
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 5:55pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Search through all the post on religion section.
You will see it there..
Or ask your people....
Even if he didn't say so,
I know that a man who is not in Christ is a natural man...
He is a man in the flesh With all the iniquities imaginable...
Take a look...
(Galatians 5 )
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Did you read all those atrocities?
They are inherent in a man of the flesh...
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by budaatum: 5:58pm On Dec 21, 2018|
So you're saying, as long as they are atheists, they commit "Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like" and there is no need to actually check if they truly do these things?
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 6:05pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Search through the posts today..
You will find your answer.
I have answered you.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 6:15pm On Dec 21, 2018|
budaatum:I never said that. CAPSLOCKED did on my previous thread.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 6:19pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Originakalokalo:Freedom from what?
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by budaatum: 6:26pm On Dec 21, 2018|
raptex:Thank you. This is not CAPS thread and there's no reason to think you get your instructions from LOCKED.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by budaatum: 6:32pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Originakalokalo:No you haven't. And it's seeming more and more that you have no regard for the truth, and evidence is irrelevant to you. Is this not contrary to the teachings of Christ, and in fact on the list of things you claim atheist do?
Originakalokalo, are you some perverted atheist who lies that he's a Christian? Your light sure seems nothing Christ like!
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 6:38pm On Dec 21, 2018|
From the fear of God's judgement that is coming.
From spiritual bondages of the demons and sin.
From the deceit of the devil.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 6:40pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Why did you say so?
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Ihedinobi3: 6:50pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Hi. I'm a Christian and I typically don't comment on threads like this because I believe that it is each person's right and responsibility to choose what to believe. I try to limit myself to answering questions about the Bible regardless who may be asking. You haven't asked one here so this comment is a little bit unnatural for me but I figured that since you said the above, you might have some use for input from me.
First thing to say here is that the Bible is clear that Christianity is a war path. I have gone on record here as saying that it is not for the faint-hearted. To begin, choosing to entrust your eternal fate to somebody else, while ridiculously easy in practice, is actually very hard in decision because human beings by nature are most confident in things that they do themselves.
But everyone knows that we are all rebels against God and that there will definitely be something terrible to pay for our rebellion. And everybody knows that God is impossible to appease by our puny efforts. These things are intuitive. It only takes people determined to ignore conscience to succeed at treating these things as untrue.
Now, this is why we need God's Own Help. Because we have no other way of finding or making peace with Him.
But remember that human beings tend to self-reliance. So, the fact that we need God's Help does not mean that we would take it when we are offered it. It would still take swallowing our pride to accept help that comes from outside our own selves.
That is the stumbling block to Faith. Faith always means trusting something that we cannot control. Of course, no one can truly get away from faith. We all believe in something and rely on something for our eternal safety even if that thing is something we made up. But when we make things up, we tend to feel more comfortable trusting them. The problem is that the lies we create immediately put us under the control of powers that we do not control either and which will only bring us to harm in the end.
But God's Help cannot be made up. It can only be accepted or rejected. That is exactly why Christianity is so hard for human beings. Your input is only to accept and obey. Your initiative and creativity is neither required nor desired. There is, of course a sense in which our initiative and creativity has a role in the Christian Faith but it is always as a response of obedience rather than one of arrogance. For example, a believer who does not possess the gift of celibacy is wise to get married but it is up to them to decide who to marry. This is where they are responsible to think through their choice and respond in a way unique to them.
Otherwise, we bring nothing to the Christian Faith at all. Our natural intelligence is neither wanted nor required. Our natural strength and influence are also neither wanted nor required. These things have no value to the Faith and are apt to oppose it. See the example of Cain and Abel.
So, the Christian Faith calls for true humility. It demands that human beings acknowledge their total dependence on God, nothing less than that is acceptable.
Having said all this, it is true that what passes for the Christian Faith in many quarters is anything but. There are many out there who claim to be expert witnesses to the Faith who do very little to actually witness to it.
It is also true that the Bible is hard to understand. Even the existing translations of it and manuscripts etc have some errors in them that trip people up.
But these things are all tests of Faith for everyone. Trust cannot be trust if it is not demonstrated in the absence of "helping evidence". That is, it is pointless to ask somebody to trust you if they can see and understand everything that is going on. Then it wouldn't be trust at all. It would be confirmed, certain knowledge.
Faith, however, is the point of human history. The whole reason we are here is to decide whether we will trust God no matter what or whether we believe that we are, can do and know better than Him. The latter choice is rebellion. We were all born with a natural bent to it. But we can choose to change that inclination and decide that God is trustworthy and that even when we don't fully understand everything, He can be trusted.
That choice is made possible and easy for us with the witness of the world around us and with our own conscience. These two things are why despite the effect of atheistic arguments on this platform, you can still say what I quoted in your post here. Any honest person knows that God exists and that He is unassailable. Any honest person knows that there are such things as good and evil and that we are evil by nature. These are witnesses to the existence of a righteous, just and holy God Whom we could never defeat in a million lifetimes of rebellion.
But how can we believe that Jesus Christ is the way to make peace with this God against Whom we have rebelled? The answer to that is the very Bible itself.
For all the attacks of the enemy on the Bible, its truth still shines clearly through unassailable. It does not matter what translation you pick up, you will see that the Truth refuses to be overwhelmed by the wicked agenda of men who tamper with It. I have seen this personally. But you don't need to take my word for it.
There are human beings however who are hardened in rebellion against God who will not accept any olive branches from Him. So, even the very truth of the Bible is unacceptable to them and whatever may seem like a blemish or an inaccuracy of some sort gives them more excuse to grow more arrogant in their rebellion.
It is possible to resist God and His Truth while we live in this world, remember. It is possible to continue in rebellion against Him and resist the Bible and blame God for all manner of things in an obstinate refusal to hear His Own Side of things. So, I would discourage you from thinking that that possibility ought not to exist. This life is a test for everybody.
But this life will end. Then God will have His Way. Rebellion will not continue indefinitely. God's Character will not be impugned by evil men forever. The Bible will not be smeared and abused forever. These things will definitely come to an end. Then, God will have His Way. And nobody will be able to escape His Justice.
As I have said, it is possible to deny these things in this life. It is possible to arrogantly oppose God while we live. It is possible to call the Bible on the carpet and pretend some kind of mental and intellectual superiority over it in this life. So, the fact that you see that people can do it and that you yourself may be able to do it and get away with it for now should not convince you that there will be nothing to pay for all that. There will literally be hell to pay for it.
Please forgive me for intruding if I have. Your journey is yours and so are your choices. But I considered that perhaps you may be willing to ask yourself if you really know what the Christian Faith is and why you are choosing to abandon it. Perhaps, you are still willing to really get to know Who God is. Or perhaps you are now committed to creating a God of your own choosing to give yourself some false comfort in the things you prefer to do. I do not know. But in the off-chance that it may be the former, I have made this comment. I would be very pleased to help you further if you want it. Otherwise, I wish you well in your journey.
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|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by budaatum: 6:55pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Originakalokalo:Why did I say what? That you lie (claimed op mastubates all day and does all those other things you listed)? That you disregard the evidence (assumed op does things you never checked he did)?
I say so because in my reading of Christ, I can't say you do any of the things Jesus did or taught one to do. Jesus never assumed people did the things you say atheists do, nor did he go about condemning people like you do. He in fact did the exact opposite by loving people instead.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 7:07pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Christ is love.
He wants people to come to repentance.
If they reject, they are damned.
If they accept, they are saved.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by CAPSLOCKED: 7:12pm On Dec 21, 2018|
WELCOME TO THE CLUB MY FRIEND.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by budaatum: 7:13pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Originakalokalo:That's not exactly true, depending on what you mean by accept or reject.
Educate me please, now that you are being more Christ like than before. Was there not someone who did not accept Christ but whom Christ said might enter the Kingdom of God before some who said, "Lord Lord"?
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by CAPSLOCKED: 7:22pm On Dec 21, 2018|
I KNOW THIS IS MEANT FOR ME SO I'M GONNA JUMP IN, I WAS PLAYING WITH THAT COMMENT, BUT HEY.. EVEN IF I DRINK WINE AND RUB MY GENITAL ALL DAY AM I WORSE THAN THE CHILD RAPIST? KIDNAPPER? LOVE PEDDLER? POLITICIAN? RITUALIST? LAWYER? MARKET SELLER? MURDERS? HERDSMEN? INTERNET FRAUDSTER? ASSASSIN? NIGERIAN POLICE? WIFE BEATER? HUSBAND SNATCHER? DRUNKARD? EVIL STEP MOTHER? YOU, A CHRISTIAN HYPOCRITE?
99 PERCENT AND MORE OF THE PRISONERS IN NIGERIA ARE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. THAT SHOULD TELL YOU A THING OR TWO.
LET'S DEBATE.. MAKE A THREAD. NONBELIEVERS ARE MORE MORAL THAN BELIEVERS. INVITE ME.
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|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 7:24pm On Dec 21, 2018|
You accept Jesus sacrifice and are purified.
Then you are given the holy spirit to enable you do the will of God.. Without which you cannot please God.
That's the order....
The Lord Lord text suggests that some will creep in and even claim to do miracles and signs ,wonders and charity works....while,
In the actual sense they do not allow the holy spirit to dictate how they should run their lives.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 7:28pm On Dec 21, 2018|
When you got likes from your likes you didn't tell them you were joking.
Nothing good comes from anyone who doesn't have the holy spirit..
He is simply a canal man ....who does things naturally...
Insults, lies, sexual perversion, formication, adultery, stealing, etc.
You can open a thread....
I am not interested.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 7:30pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Originakalokalo:This is what religion thrives on. FEAR. From your post, it is evident that you're afraid. If the Christian god was loving like you guys claim, you wouldn't be dealing with fear. Stop being fearful and free yourself from slavery.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 7:41pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Free myself from "slavery" and enter into bondage?
I agree that I am a slave,,..,..........
A slave to....Righteousness.
The devil promised you freedom, while in the actual sense,
You just entered into slavery and bondage.
He doesn't stop there.
He accuses you day and night before God of your belief and sins.
He told Adam and Eve...that they will be like God...
"Knowing good and evil"
While, in the actual sense, he puts them in bondage.
You shall know the truth and it shall set you free.
Jesus is the truth and the way and the life.
I have rest in my soul even if God's judgement comes upon the world....
It is coming... and I am free from fear of after life....
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by budaatum: 7:44pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Originakalokalo:I would claim, "one learns what Jesus taught and that teaching purifies one", though the non-religious me might wince at the word 'purify'. Perhaps " learn the way to live better", would be more preferential, being that I'm an atheist and all.
Take you, for instance. Op said "It all started as a quest to know God more (I'm still on that quest).I'd pray to God to reveal himself and for the holy spirit".
When I read it, I thought, ""continue seeking raptex, and you shall someday find". But when you read what op wrote, you called op a "masturbator" (sic), "a furnicator" (sic), "a liar, and a sexual pervert", "questioning God's holiness and authority", and a "devil".
Does that response of your's sound anything like what Jesus taught or that would come from the Holy Spirit? Did you not notice how the devil might even have assisted with your response by making you not even spell words correctly?
I put it to you that if you had learnt from Christ instead of just "accepting" as you claim one should, and if the Holy Spirit had anything to do with what you wrote, your response would not have been full of accusations and damnation, but full of love and grace.
Do you disagree?
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 7:52pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Originakalokalo:What you call "righteousness" is indeed nothing but hypocrisy. Wake up and realize that "eternal damnation" only exists in your mind. Why would a "merciful" god send his own creation to hell? Why would he even create people when he knows that they'll end up in hell? Can't you see that there's something terribly wrong with that story and that god?
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by budaatum: 8:02pm On Dec 21, 2018|
raptex:Why would a god that asks its creations to forgive 70 times 70 times not itself forgive 70 million times 70 million times?
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 8:04pm On Dec 21, 2018|
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 8:06pm On Dec 21, 2018|
I typed faster because I was responding to comments from different four threads.
The Pharisees were hypocrites.
They asked Jesus where is authority is from....
Jesus, knowing their minds, asked them where the testimony of John came from...
They, knowing that they could not answer the questions ...
If they say his testimony was from man, People would stone them...because they believed in him.
If they say that his testimony is from God,
Jesus would asked them why they don't believe in John...
They, being hypocritical, told Jesus...* we don't know*
Jesus then told them ..I don't know where my authority came from....
End of story.
Jesus said...." Pharisees, hypocrites, liars murderers...you are of your father the devil"
He didn't lie about them....
The holy spirit in him convicted them of their sins.
If I am a fornicator, or a theif, or a sexul pervert, or a masturbator, etc,
I will not have any moral justification whatsoever to come on this platform and challenge God and his children,
Who strive daily to live a holy life unto God....
A sinner questioning God's holiness and actions...
It is suicide.
So, If I call them what they are,
The holy spirit in me is rebuking them to plea as a sinner and get forgiven.
Else, that part is suicidal.
Sinners should ask for Mercy or keep quiet.
Not blaspheme God and cause weak souls to derail.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 8:08pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Then ask for forgiveness.
Get baptised and live for Christ.
If you are not going to do this,..quoting that scripture is hypocritical
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 8:24pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Originakalokalo:I have another question for you
The bible says your righteousness is like a filthy rag before god.So I ask, Of what use is your " righteousness" ?
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 8:26pm On Dec 21, 2018|
(Matthew 13 )
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 8:31pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Originakalokalo:You didn't answer my questions. You just replied with bible verses that are not really related to my questions!
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 8:31pm On Dec 21, 2018|
That is OUTSIDE CHRIST.
Even if you are a " righteous atheists " your goodness is a filthy rag...
" And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God
for a sweet smelling savour."
(Ephesians 5: 2)
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by Originakalokalo(m): 8:33pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Sorry. my bad.
I didn't complete the reply.
Sinners will burn in hell and there is nothing wrong with whatever God has decided to do with them.
|Re: My Journey To Freethinking by raptex(m): 8:36pm On Dec 21, 2018|
Originakalokalo:The bible never said outside Christ. It said all OUR righteousness.
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