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alBHAGDADI:
The issue with those who believe December 25th was used to celebrate a god is that they are confused which god it is. Some say it is Nimrod, which the Bible never called a god, and here you are saying it is a goddess.

Don't allow such fables deceive you. Pagan temples were taken over by Christians when they concerted those pagans. Their days which they dedicated to false gods have also been taken over by Christians who know that those days belong to their Father the Almighty who created them.

Thanks. I agree some say this while others say that, but I believe God almighty is the only authority and in the name of Jesus Christ, Christians can establish a day in honour or worship of God

0monnak0da:
I am struggling tto find any single version of the bible that uses this phrase "RELIGIOS FESTIVALS"

Is this something you added or is there a source for this

Which version of the bible are you citing

thats actually good news Bible.

but here is NIV

14And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years,

gods word translation

14Then God said, "Let there be lights in the sky to separate the day from the night. They will be signs and will mark religious festivals, days, and years.


jubilee Bible 2000

14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for appointed times and for days and years;

alBHAGDADI:
What is the origin of Christmas that you keep talking of?

Is it the celebration of the birth of Jesus, the calling of his name, the sharing of gifts, the reading of scriptures, the singing of Christmas songs or what?

Are those things originated from paganism?

If you were born on the same day a pagan god was born, does that mean it is the pagan god you are celebrating when you celebrate your Birthday?

op I don't know why you are still responding to some of their questions. If they like it should be they should celebrate if they don't they should leave it. Let them never celebrate anything in their life.

alBHAGDADI:
Does the Bible say we shouldn't celebrate Christmas?

Exactly the question I was expecting from you. The bible does not always tell us "do this" and "don't do this." Sometimes the bible gives us principles which we apply in our lives. For example, nowhere in the bible would you specifically find the admonition not to smoke. But the principle found at 2Cor. 7:1, wherein the bible says we should cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh, helps us to see that anything that defiles the body (like smoking tobacco) should be avoided. Even medical doctors have corroborated this fact in the bible, that tobacco defiles the body.

In the same vain, the account of Exodus 32:4-10 I quoted earlier helps us to appreciate the principle that true Christians should not replace a pagan worship with a worship to God ( of which Christmas is a replacement of a paganic celebration). That's the principle there.

Besides, if you read from Genisis to Revelation, you would not find any worshipper of God celebrate birthday. The only two persons the bible recorded as persons who celebrated birthdays were pagans. And I have given you secular references to corroborate the fact that early Christians did not celebrate birthdays because it was paganic.

So what else do you want?

So do you believe all what the bible says?

alBHAGDADI:
Encyclopedia is not scriptures to guide us in spiritual things. Of Encyclopedia says something different from what the Bible says, you can't expect is to accept it.

Glorymax:
Thanks. I agree some say this while others say that, but I believe God almighty is the only authority and in the name of Jesus Christ, Christians can establish a day in honour or worship of God

Are you referring to Jesus as God now?

alBHAGDADI:
Exactly.

If we pick July 23rd, they will still find a god to attach it to or something pagan to make them say the day is wrong.

Their aim is to blot out the name of Jesus from this world. They know people get to hear of the name a lot during Christmas period, so they are angry and want that stopped.

God owns all days.

if you preached enough, as Jesus commanded, you wouldn't need to remix a pagan festival to spread the name.

Don't you wonder what Christmas trees or Santa and his magical flying sleigh have to do with Jesus' birth? Also, what Easter eggs have to do with Jesus' resurrection?

I guess not. You don't care. Like millions of others, you just want to celebrate something.

LuciferCatholic:
1. Mr Man answer the question and stop deviating please


2. Keyword: "They didn't"... don't add any other thing for us. We don't need sermons.
This proves Christmas was man made


3. If you agree Jesus wasn't born in winter, it means you agree he wasn't born on December 25th.
Another proof that Christmas is man made



4. So Christians couldn't understand the most important day of their religion while the Apostles and the Holy Spirit was with them.
But they finally understood it after a pagan helped them choose a date.

God truly works in mysterious ways

Anyway, 3rd proof that Christmas is man made.



5. In 336AD, Emperor Constantine set December 25th as the official Christmas Day for the Roman Empire. It has remained so till this very day.

Constantine was a pagan but converted to Christianity on his deathbed and was declared a saint till this very day!

You have internet access and libraries - use them!

You are one knowledgeable guy,but your moniker isn't funny at all. Leave that guy alone,he is arrogant and full of himself,I guess you don't know him well that's why you are replying him. Check his posts on Christian topics he thinks he knows it all,never appreciates corrections and always disrespectful to anyone unnecessarily.
A man who thinks he cannot be corrected is finished...Pastor Olukoya

Where in the bible did Jesus himself say 'celebrate my birthday every year'

iyamchee:
No one has replied me about how people organize orgies and immoral gatherings screaming "merry Christmas!".....
In case you don't know most pagan festivals always consist of orgies.......

Celebrate it if you like. Just stop calling the name of God in vain. Even American advertising tell you 'Christmas is a time to celebrate family and special people".......
Most of your general overseers know the truth but they don't share it......

Someone replied to a similar comment earlier.

Geekamon:
This OP addressed this issue sentimentally. He needs to learn how to conduct quality research, not this debris stuff he has compiled.... Christmas is a pagan festival. My 2 kobo. #Peace

Lol. If he were either a babylonian or wrong twould have been better, but he is both. what a combo.


He can never win a thesis or research work cos it would be thrown out the way he justifies crap without removing sentiments.

kiddoiLL:
this must be the most stupid comment I've read this month...The feasts that God himself instructed are not relevant? They were made to be abolished by who? You? your pastor? what a load of crap

You get time. He is a confusionist and always wrong. Ive never seen a more foolish op this whole year.

asuustrike1:
Op addressed the issue but those against Christmas haven't been able to point out strong biblical verses as op did. Just like many still disputing on the intake of alcoholic drink is same as those condemning Christmas. They are so hypocritical in celebrating birthdays, anniversaries and even new year. When you hit them on this they tend to dodge from answering it instead they focus on Christmas and Easter. How foolish they because they still observe pagan days and make use of pagan properties. The Lord Jesus himself isn't complaining about people celebrating his birth then I wonder why many persons dey para .

Didn't know that you were appointed spokesman for the lord Jesus

Doublejoy411:
Where in the bible did Jesus himself say 'celebrate my birthday every year'

Ask them o! as in i am not understanding these things Christians argue about, there are some points i will give out now that will really confuse the bible readers that what they call bible was fabricated after the death of Jesus christ, infact Jesus never knew the bible sef. can anyone point out where "bible" is written as a word in the Bible

ItsTime4me:
Read Exodus 32:4-10 and you would see that the origin matters so much to God.

Lol...i know...Just stating d difference to avoid confusion...

alBHAGDADI:
You all keep saying origin. Is the birth of Jesus which we celebrate originated from paganism? It just happens to fall on a day pagans celebrate their own god. No one even Celebrates those gods anymore. Do you celebrate your birthday? If yes, then will you do so if it fell on December 25th?

This here is the stamp to dexeption, ignorance and evil sentimentalism.


Very myopic?!!


I marked your moniker simce that first controversial topic. You are no Child of Light cos you dont regard words of Christ and do them. smh!!

The Bible contains the Scriptures. Jesus himself studied the Scriptures cos that's what He used to overcome the devil's temptations. He always said “It is written..."
He taught from the Scriptures in temple, most especially the book (writings) of Prophet Isaiah. The books written by Paul, John, Daniel etc were compiled to serve as a guide and source of inspiration to today's Christians.

alBHAGDADI:
Please, kindly excise patience in reading the below article. It will save you from the lies coming from those attacking Christmas.


Christmas has been coming under attack of recent with many claiming it is a pagan festival and has nothing to do with Jesus Christ nor his birthday as claimed by Christians. The attack use to be usually around Christmas period but these days they start attacking it right from January.

Let’s examine their argument and weigh them with the Bible to see whether it is accurate and worth making of Christians dump Christmas.

Their argument is just centered around the following themes: Birthday is pagan, Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th, Nimrod, Christmas tree is pagan etc. Let’s examine them one by one and even add more.


1. Birthday is a pagan practice


This statement is majorly held by the Jehovah’s Witnesses which are people in a false religion. They say the reason why Christians should not celebrate their birthday is because “two evil men” were the only ones recorded in the Bible to have celebrated their birthday.  The men are Pharaoh of Egypt and King Herod whom it is recorded that they killed someone on their birthday. Pharaoh killed his chief baker while Herod killed John the Baptist.

What the Jehovah's Witnesses are saying in essence is that because 2 men who existed ages ago decided to kill someone on their birthday, we all existing today should not acknowledge and celebrate our birthday. Which Bible verse says we shouldn't celebrate our birthday? There is no such command found in the Bible, so it is not a sin or wrong to celebrate one's birthday.

If you read Mathew 14;3-10 you will see that Herod killing John the Baptist was not because killing someone on one's birthday was a normal practice. He killed John just to fulfill his promise to his daughter that he would do whatever she wanted for dancing so greatly. His daughter requested for John's head and he had no choice but to fulfill it just to honor his word as a king.

As for Pharaoh, he did absolutely nothing wrong in killing his chief baker because the chief baker and his chief butler offended him.


Genesis 40:1

And it came to pass after these things, that the butler of the king of Egypt and his baker had offended their lord the king of Egypt.  

Pharaoh was even kind enough to spare his butler but killed the baker on his birthday. The punishment the baker got must actually be what he deserved according to the King of Egypt. So there is nothing wrong with him receiving his punishment accordingly.  Therefore, Pharaoh cannot be said to have done any wrong on his birthday. As a matter of fact, he did good, which is having mercy on one of the offenders. So, the talk of not celebrating birthday because two men killed someone on their's holds no water. Pharaoh's kindness of sparing the Butler is the reason why the children of Jacob were spared from famine because the Butler got to tell Pharaoh about the dream interpreting abilities of Joseph.

They also love to quote the below verse to discredit birthday celebration.


Ecc 7:1

A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.  

Yes, the day of one's death is better than the day of one's birth. But does the verse say the day of one's birth is bad? No. If the Bible says the day of one's death is BETTER than the day of one's birth, then it means the day of one's birth is GOOD. Remember Good, Better, Best. Now, since the day of one's birth is GOOD, then it means it is good to celebrate it. Until they can show a verse which says Christians should not celerbate birthdays, I will continue to celebrate birthdays including that of Jesus.

What they are doing by saying we shouldn't celebrate birthdays is basically speaking when God has not spoken. They are telling us to do what the Bible never said. The Bible says such people are teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. They tell me to do certain things and try to make it look like it is God that said so.

Matthew 15:9 

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 


2. Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th  


Yes he wasn't born on December 25th, but there's a 100% chance that he was. They also say December 25th was formerly used to celebrate the birthday of Nimrod whom they say is a pagan God. Was Nimrod a god? The Bible and Jewish sources are the only books with accounts of Nimrod. The Bible says:


Genesis 10:8-9

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.

As seen above, the Bible didn't record anything bad about Nimrod because being a mighty hunter before God is not a bad description of a person. However, the other story about Nimrod can be found in Jewish Talmud written in the Middle Ages, hundreds of years after the New Testament had been in circulation. That's where you will find stories of how Nimrod was a god who married his mother and gave birth to a son Tamuz who also his reincarnation... blah blah blah. Those are all fables written thousands of years after Nimrod died and by people who didn't exist during his days. You can never find any Bible verse that says we shouldn't celebrate Christmas, but I can show you a verse that says we should stay away from Jewish Fables and the commandments of men which don't go with God's word.


Titus 1:14

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.  

As a Christian, you are not to listen to the Jews or read their religious books other than you reading the Bible. The Jews have been rejected by God because they rejected Jesus Christ. I now wonder why anyone would be expecting me to abandon the celebration of the birth of Jesus my Lord and Savior simply because a book written by Christ rejecting Jews made false claims about Jesus. 

Do you also know that the Talmud of the Jews says that Jesus real father was a Roman soldier named Pantera who slept with Mary? Is that the same book who wrote lies about Nimrod and Jesus that you want to dump Christmas because of? The Jews are antichrists because their religion of Judaism rejects Jesus as the son of God, a thing which the Bible says qualifies one as an Antichrist.


1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son

It is pretty clear why those Jews cooked up shady stories which many are now using to attack the celebration of Christmas. The birth of Jesus, which we celebrate on Christmas day, is a declaration that Judaism, the practice and religion of the Jews, is no longer valid. The birth of Jesus Christ put and end to their believe, that's why they are annoyed. It's silly for you bring the Nimrod information from people whom the Bible calls antichrists and expect me to receive it.

Once again, all those people who try to force you to do what is not written in the Bible which is the word of God, are actually teaching their man-made commandments and trying to make it the doctrines of God. They tell you not to celebrate Christmas but can't show you were God said so in the Bible.


Mathew 15:9

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.  

December 25th may have been dedicated to the worship of a false god which I believe the people of those days were influenced by Satan to do such. But many of such people have today come to the realization of the true God and have turned that day into the celebration of him. Satan doesn't own any day because he never created one. All days were created by God and so it is not a bad thing picking any of those days to celebrate the birth of his son who came to save us from our sins. Since all days belong to God our father, what Christians of old did was repossess their father's possession and made it holy. It is the same thing that happens when a demon is driven out of an individual and the Holy Spirit enters into the individual to dwell. You can't tell me that such individual is still demonic, because demons can't reside where the Holy Spirit resides.

All those who say we shouldn't celebrate Christmas because December 25th was dedicated to a false god are just hypocrites. Got to their house, you will find a calendar on their wall, and this calendar contains days and months named after false gods. Examples are January dedicated to the false god Janus, Thursday dedicated to Thor, Saturday dedicated to Saturn etc. Are we now to stop existing on each of these days because some ignorant people dedicated them to false and weak gods? If those anti-christmas people say they don't have a calendar at home because they know it contains pagan names, don't they have a calendar app in the phones? Maybe they should throw their phones away because they are walking about with paganism. Apostle Paul said we can eat anything dedicated to gods and put it inside our belly. Any day dedicated to a false god can be taken by we Christians and dedicate it to the true God who created days.

Now, is there anything wrong with celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, eating food with family on that day, exchanging gifts, singing Christmas Carol that most times quote Bible verses etc? There is nothing wrong at all. And for someone to sit somewhere and say Christmas is a wicked festival, I ask, what is wicked about all I listed above? Whoever says we are committing sin for celebrating the birth of our Savior Jesus Christ is a false accuser.


3. Christmas tree is pagan


I'll borrow a quote from Pastor Steven Anderson's sermon on the subject. Read below.


If you still think that Christmas trees are bad, then go right ahead, but let's at least look at the facts tonight, and that's all I want to do, is present the biblical facts tonight. In Jeremiah, Chapter 10, Verse 1, the Bible says, "Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O House of Israel. Thus sayeth the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain, for one cut of the tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workmen with the ax, they deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not."

Right now is where the anti-Christmas people stop reading, and they just take these couple of verses out of context. They stop reading, and they just take Verse 3 and 4, and they say, "Look, it is a vain, heathen custom to cut down a tree," okay, "And to deck it with silver and gold, and to fasten it with nails and hammers." Here's what they say. They say that's what you're doing when you decorate a Christmas tree. They say you've cut down a tree, and you're basically decking it with gold and silver, and they're saying because you put a gold and a silver ornament on it. Okay, that's their view. That is not what this scripture is talking about. If you stop reading right there, you could use that to convince people of your point, but that's not what it's really about, because keep reading.

Look at Verse 5. It says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not. They must needs be borne because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them, for they cannot do evil. Neither also is it in them to do good. For as much as there is none like unto thee, O Lord." 

Stop. What this is talking about, and I'm going to prove it to you from the rest of the chapter, this is talking about cutting down a tree in the forest, and carving it into an idol that is silver or gold plated. When the Bible says that it is decked with gold and silver, that is not saying hanging a silver ball on it. When you deck something over with silver, okay, you are covering it with silver. For example, the deck on your house. Your house might have a deck, okay? It's a covering, is what that means. What the Bible is saying here is that they're carving it into an idol, because look, in Verse 5, he says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not."

Look, nobody thinks that a Christmas tree can speak, or walk, or do good or evil, because it's a tree, right? There are people who carve a tree into an idol of a false god, and they think that that false god can speak, or walk, or do these things, okay? Keep reading. Jump down if you would to Verse 8. It says, "But they are altogether brutish and foolish. The stock," okay, talking about basically the stump of the tree that's being carved, "Is a doctrine of vanities." Watch. Silver spread into plates. Look. Is this a round, silver ornament hanging on the tree? Is this a silver garland? No. It's what I said. It's silver spread into plates, because it's being silver plated, or gold plated, okay? It says, "Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder." Okay?

Jump down to Verse 14. It says, "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the" what? Graven image. "For his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in him. They are vanity." Look, you can't just take two verses out of context. You have to read the whole chapter. This whole chapter is talking about the same subject. Notice the same words are being used. Look at Verse 3, okay? If you have a pen, you may want to underline a few key words here, okay? In Verse 3, the Bible says, "The customs of the people are" what? Vain, and then it says they cut down a tree, right? Okay, now if you jump down to where he's talking about the graven image, he says in Verse 15, "They are vanity."

Okay, so what is vain? He says, it's vain to cut down a tree and deck it with gold and silver, and think that it can walk, or talk, or do anything. It's not like the true God. It's a false god. Later on, he says that these graven images or molten images are vain. They are vanity. Okay, he's talking about the same thing. Up earlier, he said in Verse 9, silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman at the hands of the founder. See the word "founder?" Jump down to verse 14. "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the graven image." If you look at this chapter, there's a continuity of thought here. We are on the same subject in Verse 14 that we were in Verse 3. He's going on and on about the fact that they are carving idols out of wood.

What does it mean to grave, to engrave something? If I brought in something to an artisan, and said, "I want this engraved," they're going to carve my name into it, or they're going to carve some kind of wording into it. Okay. What is molten? Molten comes from the word melting. You melt down metal. You melt silver. You melt gold. A graven image is an image that is carved of wood. A molten image is an image that is made of molten metal, okay, and what he's saying here is that they are carving a wooden idol, and then overlaying it, decking it, with molten gold and silver, and they believe that it is like unto the God of Israel. You know what? People today will often compare the God of the Bible to other gods. They'll say, "You know, why should I believe the God of the Bible any more than I believe in the god of Islam, or Buddha, or whatever?"

There's no God like unto the true God, and the idol is vanity. It can't talk. It has to be carried, and God makes it clear He never wants us to make any image of Him. Does the Bible specifically prohibit graven and molten images? Oh, yeah. It's one of the ten commandments. "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image." Okay, so there's no question that graven images and molten images are sinful. That matches perfectly with what Jeremiah 10 is teaching, preaching against graven and molten images. To sit there and say, "This is a Christmas tree," and people will even say, "A Christmas tree is a graven image." Let me ask you something. Where's the engraving? Where is it carved? In what way, shape, or form is it carved in any way? Answer me that.

It is just a tree. You brought the tree, and you put it in the house. There's no carving. Nothing has been molten or melted. Look, it's not an image. What's an image? It's something that's made like unto an animal, or a human, or an angel, or a god. Okay, but hold on a second. They'll say, "Well," and go to Isaiah, Chapter 60. They'll say, "Well, you know, okay. It's not a graven image. You got me, Pastor Anderson." Look, can anybody actually say that a Christmas tree is a graven image when it has zero graving and zero molten? Okay, no. They just say, "Yeah, but Jeremiah 10 said not to do it." No, because we read the whole chapter, and it was clear that the tree that they're cutting down in the forest becomes a graven image.

Cutting down trees is not wrong, unless you're part of the Environmental Protection Agency or something. I don't see how you could say there's anything wrong with going into the forest and cutting down a tree, okay? The sin wasn't cutting down the tree. The sin was then graving the tree, carving the tree into an idol, and overlaying it with gold and silver that it might be worshiped.


To conclude this article, I'll say there is nothing wrong in chosen not to celebrate Christmas just as there is nothing wrong with celebrating it. The only wrong found is when those who don't celebrate it start trying to impose their idea on others as if it is a commandment of God when such is not written in the Bible.


Let me explain the below passage so you will understand fully.


Romans 14

Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

This is talking about a vegan/vegetarian and people who eat meat and all things.

3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

The above says he that eats all things should not despise the one who doesn't. Also the one who doesn't should not judge the one who does.

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

The above says we are not to judge each other because we are all servants of God. Our master is the one to judge us. You might says, what has this got to do with Christmas. Just keep reading.

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

As seems above, it is good to esteem every day in the same manner. Also it is not a bad thing to esteem one day above others just as we esteem December 25th above other days. Verse 6 says he that regards a certain day regards it unto God and he that doesn't regard it does the same unto God.

Ladies and gentlemen, don't let anybody tell you Christmas is a pagan festival. It is not a pagan god we celebrate when we celebrate Jesus who is the reason for the season. It is not a pagan god's story we read when we read Luke 2 from the Bible on Christmas day. If they try to lie to you, show them this article which I will advise you to bookmark because these people will still come around next year with the same lies.

And please don't forget to send me a Christmas gift. PM Now

Nice one.

ItsTime4me:
Are you sure you really read and comprehended Exodus 32:4-10? Didn't you read in verse 5 where Aaron built an altar before the golden calf and said: "There is a festival to Jehovah tomorrow?" Didn't you get the drift?

A worship that was meant to be for a pagan god was converted to be a " festival to Jehovah." Don't you see the analogy? People in the time past celebrated a pagan god on December 25. Make your research and try to find out what characterised that celebration and you will discover that it is in no way different from what characterises Christmas celebrations today. What happened was just a change of the name of the celebration, from PAGAN god to JESUS celebration. In the same vain, the Israelites changed the IDOLATROUS worship to FESTIVAL TO JEHOVAH.

Verse 6 shows that the Israelites offered up burnt offerings and presented communion sacrifices. To who? According to them, to God. In their minds, evidently, they felt it was harmless to REPLACE God with the GOLDEN CALF, analogous to "Christians" REPLACING the PAGAN gods with JESUS CHRIST.

But God punished them. Recal that the Israelites made burnt offerings and sacrifices, things they normally do in their worship to God. But why did God still punish when they said it was a festival to God? The reason is not far fetched. The origin of the festival was bad. Just simply changing the name of the festival was not enough. The origin! The origin!! The origin!!!.

Well, honest-hearted people, those who really want to know the truth, have seen glaring reasons why Christmas should not be celebrated. It is simply not for true Christians. Christmas is just Pagan Festival with a different face, much like the colour of a building is changed from white to green, but the building remains the same.

I won't and can't force you to accept my reasonings but one thing I would let you know is that God can only make the truth known to those who are humble at heart, those who are willing to learn and unlearn, no matter what preconceived ideas they've had.

Have a nice day.

You made no sense. Israel worshipped a golden calf, an idol, so where is the comparison.

The main problem is that majority of you are so so ignorant, and be claiming to know scriptures while you absolutely know nothing.

Alexis11:
If celebrating Christmas will make one to miss the kingdom of God, then nothing will be enough to make it. That therefore means Christianity is a joke in the first place.

You guys should let us celebrate in peace abeg.

The truth is that most of them arguing this things are godless. They don't know God.

God is way higher than there understanding.

When Jesus came, who were the people that opposed him?? Teachers of the law, scribes, Pharisees. Why?? Because God hid himself from there so called knowledge.


God is way higher than mans understanding

He said it in Isaiah 54 that as the heavens are higher than the earth, so is his ways higher than mans ways and thoughts.

introvertme:
Didn't know that you were appointed spokesman for the lord Jesus

That is because you don't read your bible

ItsTime4me:
Oh now I know your problem. You find it hard to read and comprehend. Haba, it's not my fault na.

Read and comprehend with your human understanding the things of God.
My friend you are very far away from God.

daveP:
This here is the stamp to dexeption, ignorance and evil sentimentalism.


Very myopic?!!


I marked your moniker simce that first controversial topic. You are no Child of Light cos you dont regard words of Christ and do them. smh!!

so you do and follow all words of christ abi? smh. oya make i show you something in the bible that Jesus said and you shall abide by it.

MARK16: 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

ZTEN:
Are you referring to Jesus as God now?

I think you can answer this question if you believe the holy bible. Please no offences, Jesus Christ in many passages of the scriptures refers to himself as "the son of man (God)".
In other verses, he says; "I and my father are one" when they asked him to show them the father so that they believe in Him. He said, "when you see me, you have seen the father" He figuratively tells us that he is equal with His father.
The Holy Trinity, otherwise refers to as God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit are one God and the same.
Then, the gospel of St John chapter 1:1ff, tells us that the "Word is God"

No offences as earlier stated. In the universe, there are different fates and beliefs. Choose the one that appeals to you, then live and let live. Hence, God gave us free will.
Have a fruitful week dear.

LuciferCatholic:
1. So, you finally agree that Christmas was a human invention.

If Christmas came into existence in 336AD it means Jesus, Peter, Paul etc know nothing about it which makes it fabricated!

Simple.



2. You are free to celebrate?

Really?
So why don't you celebrate Eid El Kabir or No Bra Day too?

What's stopping you?



3. Where is proof that Satan boasted he will be like God?

Asides the Bible (a book which could be fictional), where else does this story exist?

Show us!




4. I do not want to "ask everyone". This isn't a debate of opinion - we are talking facts here.
I'm asking YOU.

And as I have corrected you earlier, Mithra, not Nimrod was the Roman Sun God as at when Christmas was created. His day of celebration was December 25th (long before Christmas came into existence).

u were making sense before but now u're beginning fall into the same folly in reasoning u accuse other of. I guess that's because u r beginning to talk too much.

U're asking for proof on for example, 'dat Satan boasted to be like God'? Ofcourse there biblical accounts and more. Also u insinuate that the Bible is a book of fiction (may God forgive u) Now tell me, what is your own proof that these assertions of yours were so

I'll kindly advice you to eschew your haughty disposition and talk about only wat you know as of fact! AND THAT ALONE.

LuciferCatholic:
1. Mr Man answer the question and stop deviating please


2. Keyword: "They didn't"... don't add any other thing for us. We don't need sermons.
This proves Christmas was man made


3. If you agree Jesus wasn't born in winter, it means you agree he wasn't born on December 25th.
Another proof that Christmas is man made



4. So Christians couldn't understand the most important day of their religion while the Apostles and the Holy Spirit was with them.
But they finally understood it after a pagan helped them choose a date.

God truly works in mysterious ways

Anyway, 3rd proof that Christmas is man made.



5. In 336AD, Emperor Constantine set December 25th as the official Christmas Day for the Roman Empire. It has remained so till this very day.

Constantine was a pagan but converted to Christianity on his deathbed and was declared a saint till this very day!

You have internet access and libraries - use them!

Young man! You do not applying the principles logic and deductive reasoning in spiritual affairs and the things of God! This is one horrible mistake heathens make! The things of God the Most High, the Alpha n Omega can NEVER BE completely fathomable to any MERE MORTAL!

TAKE THIS ADVICE.

LuciferCatholic:
alBHAGDADI answer me.

Can I also mark October 1st or July 4th as Christmas Day?

He has sufficiently answered all your questions you insolent fool!

Under what authority and capacity will you be exercising the liberty to choose any date to mark as special to celebrate any event for adherents of a particular belief? Are you mad?!!! I thought u were intelligent. Does it look like we're in the stone ages??!!! Why would u be making such ridiculous comparative analogies??!!!

kiddoiLL:
New International Version

there are many of them

alBHAGDADI:
1. Yes, Christmas was a human invention. But is it all human inventions that are bad? Yes, we christians invented it because Jesus himself gave us the power to do so.

Mathew 18:18
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

We have bound December 25th as a day for the celebration of Jesus. Heaven has also accepted our decision
We have also loosed the pagans from the deceit of Satan. Now they are celebrating Jesus instead of Satan. Or is it Satan's name we called on Christmas?

2. Eid El Kabir is not a Christian festival. Christmas is a Christian festival that's why we celebrate it. Pagans had their own celebration, but I ask, is it their god we celebrate on our own day? No. It is Jesus we celebrate.

3.

Isaiah's 14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High

4. Nimrod has no day because he never created any day.

Please stop quoting me Mr Satanist.

You get time for those ones abeg. Leave them to their folly.

alBHAGDADI:
Please, kindly excise patience in reading the below article. It will save you from the lies coming from those attacking Christmas.


Christmas has been coming under attack of recent with many claiming it is a pagan festival and has nothing to do with Jesus Christ nor his birthday as claimed by Christians. The attack use to be usually around Christmas period but these days they start attacking it right from January.

Let’s examine their argument and weigh them with the Bible to see whether it is accurate and worth making of Christians dump Christmas.

Their argument is just centered around the following themes: Birthday is pagan, Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th, Nimrod, Christmas tree is pagan etc. Let’s examine them one by one and even add more.


1. Birthday is a pagan practice


This statement is majorly held by the Jehovah’s Witnesses which are people in a false religion. They say the reason why Christians should not celebrate their birthday is because “two evil men” were the only ones recorded in the Bible to have celebrated their birthday.  The men are Pharaoh of Egypt and King Herod whom it is recorded that they killed someone on their birthday. Pharaoh killed his chief baker while Herod killed John the Baptist.

What the Jehovah's Witnesses are saying in essence is that because 2 men who existed ages ago decided to kill someone on their birthday, we all existing today should not acknowledge and celebrate our birthday. Which Bible verse says we shouldn't celebrate our birthday? There is no such command found in the Bible, so it is not a sin or wrong to celebrate one's birthday.

If you read Mathew 14;3-10 you will see that Herod killing John the Baptist was not because killing someone on one's birthday was a normal practice. He killed John just to fulfill his promise to his daughter that he would do whatever she wanted for dancing so greatly. His daughter requested for John's head and he had no choice but to fulfill it just to honor his word as a king.

As for Pharaoh, he did absolutely nothing wrong in killing his chief baker because the chief baker and his chief butler offended him.


Genesis 40:1

And it came to pass after these things, that the butler of the king of Egypt and his baker had offended their lord the king of Egypt.  

Pharaoh was even kind enough to spare his butler but killed the baker on his birthday. The punishment the baker got must actually be what he deserved according to the King of Egypt. So there is nothing wrong with him receiving his punishment accordingly.  Therefore, Pharaoh cannot be said to have done any wrong on his birthday. As a matter of fact, he did good, which is having mercy on one of the offenders. So, the talk of not celebrating birthday because two men killed someone on their's holds no water. Pharaoh's kindness of sparing the Butler is the reason why the children of Jacob were spared from famine because the Butler got to tell Pharaoh about the dream interpreting abilities of Joseph.

They also love to quote the below verse to discredit birthday celebration.


Ecc 7:1

A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.  

Yes, the day of one's death is better than the day of one's birth. But does the verse say the day of one's birth is bad? No. If the Bible says the day of one's death is BETTER than the day of one's birth, then it means the day of one's birth is GOOD. Remember Good, Better, Best. Now, since the day of one's birth is GOOD, then it means it is good to celebrate it. Until they can show a verse which says Christians should not celerbate birthdays, I will continue to celebrate birthdays including that of Jesus.

What they are doing by saying we shouldn't celebrate birthdays is basically speaking when God has not spoken. They are telling us to do what the Bible never said. The Bible says such people are teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. They tell me to do certain things and try to make it look like it is God that said so.

Matthew 15:9 

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 


2. Jesus wasn’t born on December 25th  


Yes he wasn't born on December 25th, but there's a 100% chance that he was. They also say December 25th was formerly used to celebrate the birthday of Nimrod whom they say is a pagan God. Was Nimrod a god? The Bible and Jewish sources are the only books with accounts of Nimrod. The Bible says:


Genesis 10:8-9

8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.

9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.

As seen above, the Bible didn't record anything bad about Nimrod because being a mighty hunter before God is not a bad description of a person. However, the other story about Nimrod can be found in Jewish Talmud written in the Middle Ages, hundreds of years after the New Testament had been in circulation. That's where you will find stories of how Nimrod was a god who married his mother and gave birth to a son Tamuz who also his reincarnation... blah blah blah. Those are all fables written thousands of years after Nimrod died and by people who didn't exist during his days. You can never find any Bible verse that says we shouldn't celebrate Christmas, but I can show you a verse that says we should stay away from Jewish Fables and the commandments of men which don't go with God's word.


Titus 1:14

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.  

As a Christian, you are not to listen to the Jews or read their religious books other than you reading the Bible. The Jews have been rejected by God because they rejected Jesus Christ. I now wonder why anyone would be expecting me to abandon the celebration of the birth of Jesus my Lord and Savior simply because a book written by Christ rejecting Jews made false claims about Jesus. 

Do you also know that the Talmud of the Jews says that Jesus real father was a Roman soldier named Pantera who slept with Mary? Is that the same book who wrote lies about Nimrod and Jesus that you want to dump Christmas because of? The Jews are antichrists because their religion of Judaism rejects Jesus as the son of God, a thing which the Bible says qualifies one as an Antichrist.


1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son

It is pretty clear why those Jews cooked up shady stories which many are now using to attack the celebration of Christmas. The birth of Jesus, which we celebrate on Christmas day, is a declaration that Judaism, the practice and religion of the Jews, is no longer valid. The birth of Jesus Christ put and end to their believe, that's why they are annoyed. It's silly for you bring the Nimrod information from people whom the Bible calls antichrists and expect me to receive it.

Once again, all those people who try to force you to do what is not written in the Bible which is the word of God, are actually teaching their man-made commandments and trying to make it the doctrines of God. They tell you not to celebrate Christmas but can't show you were God said so in the Bible.


Mathew 15:9

But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.  

December 25th may have been dedicated to the worship of a false god which I believe the people of those days were influenced by Satan to do such. But many of such people have today come to the realization of the true God and have turned that day into the celebration of him. Satan doesn't own any day because he never created one. All days were created by God and so it is not a bad thing picking any of those days to celebrate the birth of his son who came to save us from our sins. Since all days belong to God our father, what Christians of old did was repossess their father's possession and made it holy. It is the same thing that happens when a demon is driven out of an individual and the Holy Spirit enters into the individual to dwell. You can't tell me that such individual is still demonic, because demons can't reside where the Holy Spirit resides.

All those who say we shouldn't celebrate Christmas because December 25th was dedicated to a false god are just hypocrites. Got to their house, you will find a calendar on their wall, and this calendar contains days and months named after false gods. Examples are January dedicated to the false god Janus, Thursday dedicated to Thor, Saturday dedicated to Saturn etc. Are we now to stop existing on each of these days because some ignorant people dedicated them to false and weak gods? If those anti-christmas people say they don't have a calendar at home because they know it contains pagan names, don't they have a calendar app in the phones? Maybe they should throw their phones away because they are walking about with paganism. Apostle Paul said we can eat anything dedicated to gods and put it inside our belly. Any day dedicated to a false god can be taken by we Christians and dedicate it to the true God who created days.

Now, is there anything wrong with celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ, eating food with family on that day, exchanging gifts, singing Christmas Carol that most times quote Bible verses etc? There is nothing wrong at all. And for someone to sit somewhere and say Christmas is a wicked festival, I ask, what is wicked about all I listed above? Whoever says we are committing sin for celebrating the birth of our Savior Jesus Christ is a false accuser.


3. Christmas tree is pagan


I'll borrow a quote from Pastor Steven Anderson's sermon on the subject. Read below.


If you still think that Christmas trees are bad, then go right ahead, but let's at least look at the facts tonight, and that's all I want to do, is present the biblical facts tonight. In Jeremiah, Chapter 10, Verse 1, the Bible says, "Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O House of Israel. Thus sayeth the Lord, learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven, for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain, for one cut of the tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workmen with the ax, they deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not."

Right now is where the anti-Christmas people stop reading, and they just take these couple of verses out of context. They stop reading, and they just take Verse 3 and 4, and they say, "Look, it is a vain, heathen custom to cut down a tree," okay, "And to deck it with silver and gold, and to fasten it with nails and hammers." Here's what they say. They say that's what you're doing when you decorate a Christmas tree. They say you've cut down a tree, and you're basically decking it with gold and silver, and they're saying because you put a gold and a silver ornament on it. Okay, that's their view. That is not what this scripture is talking about. If you stop reading right there, you could use that to convince people of your point, but that's not what it's really about, because keep reading.

Look at Verse 5. It says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not. They must needs be borne because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them, for they cannot do evil. Neither also is it in them to do good. For as much as there is none like unto thee, O Lord." 

Stop. What this is talking about, and I'm going to prove it to you from the rest of the chapter, this is talking about cutting down a tree in the forest, and carving it into an idol that is silver or gold plated. When the Bible says that it is decked with gold and silver, that is not saying hanging a silver ball on it. When you deck something over with silver, okay, you are covering it with silver. For example, the deck on your house. Your house might have a deck, okay? It's a covering, is what that means. What the Bible is saying here is that they're carving it into an idol, because look, in Verse 5, he says, "They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not."

Look, nobody thinks that a Christmas tree can speak, or walk, or do good or evil, because it's a tree, right? There are people who carve a tree into an idol of a false god, and they think that that false god can speak, or walk, or do these things, okay? Keep reading. Jump down if you would to Verse 8. It says, "But they are altogether brutish and foolish. The stock," okay, talking about basically the stump of the tree that's being carved, "Is a doctrine of vanities." Watch. Silver spread into plates. Look. Is this a round, silver ornament hanging on the tree? Is this a silver garland? No. It's what I said. It's silver spread into plates, because it's being silver plated, or gold plated, okay? It says, "Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder." Okay?

Jump down to Verse 14. It says, "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the" what? Graven image. "For his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in him. They are vanity." Look, you can't just take two verses out of context. You have to read the whole chapter. This whole chapter is talking about the same subject. Notice the same words are being used. Look at Verse 3, okay? If you have a pen, you may want to underline a few key words here, okay? In Verse 3, the Bible says, "The customs of the people are" what? Vain, and then it says they cut down a tree, right? Okay, now if you jump down to where he's talking about the graven image, he says in Verse 15, "They are vanity."

Okay, so what is vain? He says, it's vain to cut down a tree and deck it with gold and silver, and think that it can walk, or talk, or do anything. It's not like the true God. It's a false god. Later on, he says that these graven images or molten images are vain. They are vanity. Okay, he's talking about the same thing. Up earlier, he said in Verse 9, silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Ufaz, the work of the workman at the hands of the founder. See the word "founder?" Jump down to verse 14. "Every man is brutish in his knowledge. Every founder is confounded by the graven image." If you look at this chapter, there's a continuity of thought here. We are on the same subject in Verse 14 that we were in Verse 3. He's going on and on about the fact that they are carving idols out of wood.

What does it mean to grave, to engrave something? If I brought in something to an artisan, and said, "I want this engraved," they're going to carve my name into it, or they're going to carve some kind of wording into it. Okay. What is molten? Molten comes from the word melting. You melt down metal. You melt silver. You melt gold. A graven image is an image that is carved of wood. A molten image is an image that is made of molten metal, okay, and what he's saying here is that they are carving a wooden idol, and then overlaying it, decking it, with molten gold and silver, and they believe that it is like unto the God of Israel. You know what? People today will often compare the God of the Bible to other gods. They'll say, "You know, why should I believe the God of the Bible any more than I believe in the god of Islam, or Buddha, or whatever?"

There's no God like unto the true God, and the idol is vanity. It can't talk. It has to be carried, and God makes it clear He never wants us to make any image of Him. Does the Bible specifically prohibit graven and molten images? Oh, yeah. It's one of the ten commandments. "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image." Okay, so there's no question that graven images and molten images are sinful. That matches perfectly with what Jeremiah 10 is teaching, preaching against graven and molten images. To sit there and say, "This is a Christmas tree," and people will even say, "A Christmas tree is a graven image." Let me ask you something. Where's the engraving? Where is it carved? In what way, shape, or form is it carved in any way? Answer me that.

It is just a tree. You brought the tree, and you put it in the house. There's no carving. Nothing has been molten or melted. Look, it's not an image. What's an image? It's something that's made like unto an animal, or a human, or an angel, or a god. Okay, but hold on a second. They'll say, "Well," and go to Isaiah, Chapter 60. They'll say, "Well, you know, okay. It's not a graven image. You got me, Pastor Anderson." Look, can anybody actually say that a Christmas tree is a graven image when it has zero graving and zero molten? Okay, no. They just say, "Yeah, but Jeremiah 10 said not to do it." No, because we read the whole chapter, and it was clear that the tree that they're cutting down in the forest becomes a graven image.

Cutting down trees is not wrong, unless you're part of the Environmental Protection Agency or something. I don't see how you could say there's anything wrong with going into the forest and cutting down a tree, okay? The sin wasn't cutting down the tree. The sin was then graving the tree, carving the tree into an idol, and overlaying it with gold and silver that it might be worshiped.


To conclude this article, I'll say there is nothing wrong in chosen not to celebrate Christmas just as there is nothing wrong with celebrating it. The only wrong found is when those who don't celebrate it start trying to impose their idea on others as if it is a commandment of God when such is not written in the Bible.

alBHAGDADI, you took your time to type this glorious trash...you still haven't shown us were in the bible it is instructed that Christians should celebrate Christmas neither have you shown us how you came to the conclusion that Jesus Christ was born on 25 December.

You are just blabbing and jumping from pillar to Post with no direction whatsoever.

Stop confusing people with your confusion cuz it is obvious you are dead confused.

Sadly, the more you try to prove a point the more you display your ignorance in public.

You are possessed of the devil...period.

ItsTime4me:
Hahahahaha. [s]It's glaring why you're resorting to insults (traits of a loser). You cannot disprove these facts. Those references above, are they from Jehovah's witnesses? If you really want to know the truth, read and make research.

Well, I won't quote you again. All I know is that I have satisfied my conscience. I have tried to help you listen to the voice of reason and utimately those sincere ones whom you're trying to mislead with your baseless assertions can see the truth. Yes, my post is not primarily for you.

Have a nice day.[/s]

Lol.... You guys are the most confused of God's creation.

You are neither Muslim nor Christian

False teachings everywhere but you call it knowledge.


Christmas celebration remain sacrosanct. Y'all can go and die.