kayfra:


Neanderthal didn't roam around in Africa.

kayfra:
The mecca bullshit doesn't make sense chronologically since our exposure is 7500 to 10000 years ago. Islam is a relatively new religion. Our arrival here predates the founding of all that mecca BS by approximately 5000 to 7500 years.

Cultures also influence each other and correlation isn't necessarily causation.

lawani:


People came to join the Yoruba people but there was no time the Yoruba were nomads from the inception of time to the present moment. There is no such account in our oral history or in the Ifa corpus. The Yoruba were never nomads

OPCNAIRALAND:


Im a new.comer.to these discussions and like ive told you before dont involve me in all that Egypotologist and Canaanite and Mecca and Mondiana nonsense....I just think though that we must not.close our minds to these talks, however craxy they may appear at first drop.

What im getting so far is this:

For every content in the Yoruba culture, rites of worship, deity and.cosmic belief a mirror image exist in two places, 1) in Yorubaland; 2) in Eurasia.

For each located in Yorubaland a corresponding cognate is found in Eurasia. Similarly for every concept and item of divinity or political practice linked in Eurasia, a matching pair is found in Yorubaland.

The challenge is which one of these two was the original home. There should be no argument at all on whether or not Yoruba had footprints in Eurasia....its a given! We should query which of the two was our sojourn and which is ancestral home.

I hope im correct.

lawani:


People came to join the Yoruba people but there was no time the Yoruba were nomads from the inception of time to the present moment. There is no such account in our oral history or in the Ifa corpus. The Yoruba were never nomads

Olu317:
Stop it Sir. The ancient Yorubas were nomads. Being nomads has nothing to do with barbarism. If you doubt, why remigration outside of ILEIFE? Ponder over it.

lawani:
since people landed from outer space our people have been living in towns under Kings, there was no time our people followed cattle about like the bororo do today. We were never nomads

Olu317:


Well, No sir, because the Yoruba ancestors who developed the idea of survival theory through their invention knew the complexity of the world. Unfortunately you and others underestimated the word of ‘SHEPHERD' . DÁ ÉRÁN is an ancient and Yoruba word and without yoruba ancestors being Shepherds,such lexicon will not emanate. Beside, advanced knowledge of ancient Yorubas made them domesticated some animals during the olden days. Have you suddenly forgotten this idea?

Infact when the Yoruba ancestors were domesticating animals and rearing them ,others didn't realise there were difference between the hunting and rearing. You see ignorance has made a lot of people see things with over spiritual eyes because there is nothing like people from outer space. In fact the most archived information in Ifa Corpus does not have anything as outer space of Yoruba people but migration information.

lawani:
so because Shepherd is in our vocab it means our people were nomads? The ugbo are called omo atorunwo, children of those who landed from outer space. Even the Bible in Genesis talks of people landing from outer space

kayfra:
Vocabulary arguments are as weak as a limped dick. Languages of people change in less than 100 years. Focus on DNA not some half assed linguistic connection

kayfra:
The mecca bullshit doesn't make sense chronologically since our exposure is 7500 to 10000 years ago. Islam is a relatively new religion. Our arrival here predates the founding of all that mecca BS by approximately 5000 to 7500 years.

Cultures also influence each other and correlation isn't necessarily causation.

scholes0:
Personally, I dont believe in this person called Lamurudu.
There is no oral literature in all of Yorubaland that talks of him.

He is probably just a conjured figure.

There's one more school that holds the view that Oduduwa was from Ife and that he came from the Oke Ora area of one of the 13 hamlets that he unified.

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Dsimmer:


I have my theory for the Eurasian gene and no, Oduduwa the king didn't come from anywhere. Oduduwa, the king came from Oke Ora, as stated by Ifa. The other Oduduwa from the sky is a cosmos creation. Oduduwa descent from the sky represent the creation cosmos which created the universe which includes the dark space, the earth and the first human who's the progenitor of all humans. As we already know, the first human was a black man, just as Oduduwa name depicts.

On the Eurasian gene of the Yoruba, the
gene is several thousands years old, so it means an ancient Eurasian gene which is not something that recently happened. I once had a theory that the Yorubas could have parted ways from the Isrealites/Jews, considering the fact that the Yoruba have the same names for God as the Isrealites/Jews names for God (Oluwa, Eledumare, Olorun, Iye/Eriwoya which are all similar to Hebrew's Eloah, El' mareh, Elohim, Yahweh). Also the Yoruba belief in a Messiah born of a virgin woman...

That being said, if the Yoruba parted ways, I don't think the Yoruba parted at the time when the Isrealites were in Judea because if that was the case, Yoruba would have had the 10 commandments with them, even though Yoruba ended up doing some of the 10 commandments anyways, such as honouring one's parents and we all know Yoruba are big on honouring one's parents such as, greeting one's parents. There's also the female child inheritance practised in Yoruba culture similar to the Jewish women who inherit properties from their family as dictated by Joshua🧐. As I already stated, I don't think Yoruba parted ways at the time when the Isrealites were in Judea except if they probably parted in Egypt because if Judea was the case 🤔, the Yoruba would have had the 10 commandments and also the Jewish script. But rather, the Yoruba used "Aroko" hieroglyph which is similar to the old ancient black Egyptian hieroglyphs. Albeit the Yoruba were also civilized and highly intelligently creative.

That said, Yoruba haven't done any DNA test with the Jews irrespective of the 7500yrs old Eurasian DNA of the Yoruba. So either the Yoruba parted from the Jews/Isrealites OR the Yoruba are just ancient people doing their things (I mean the Yoruba have got the earliest DNA, including the ancient ghost DNA anyway). Na that ancient ghost DNA sef I wan focus on .. Yoruba have more than 9 DNA series whereas others have got 6 DNA series.

OPCNAIRALAND:


My brother,
This is good job. Thank you for raising this awareness and enlightenement.

I dont think any Yoruba deny that Lamurudu was a King in Eurasia (Afro-asia to be more pointed) or that there was a migration led by Oduduwa to Ife.

The two camps contend the primordial origin of Lamurudu and Oduduwa or of Yorubas generally.

One says Yoruba were a people of Afro-asia and only migrated one way, from Assyria, Egypt, Sudan, Cansan, Mecca, Mondiana and so on.

The other camp says yes, this is so, but they migrated out of their primordial root in Ile Ife and spread to Afro-asia but later returned home. To them, they have the full spectrum and the other camp only has half.

This ya scientifi report is what i call 'drop it like its hot'....hahahahaha, lmao,

Na waa o!!

Dsimmer:


Oduduwa, the king became king more than 2000yrs ago and predates Mohammad to begin with, so the whole Mohammad nonsense is rubbish to begin with. Anyone with a brain would know that. As a matter of fact, Oduduwa came from Oke Ora as stated by Ifa. The other Oduduwa which dropped from the sky as stated by Ifa represent cosmos creation which creates the black space, the earth and the first human who's a black man as the Oduduwa name depicts.

On the Eurasian gene which is 7500- 10000yrs old, it's an ancient Eurasian gene which is pointing to an old time. I once opined that Yoruba could be part of the Isrealites if we take in cognizance of the Yoruba having similar names for God as the Isrealites such as Oluwa, Eledumare, Olorun, ìyè/Eriwoyah which are similar to the Isrealites' Eloah, Elohim, El'Mareh, Yahweh. There's also the Yoruba belief in a Messiah born of a virgin woman, Oyigi, which is similar to the Isrealites, albeit the Isrealites are still waiting for their own blood Messiah since they already crucified Jesus.

So either the Yoruba were part of the Isrealites or the Yoruba are ancient people doing their thing after all the Yoruba have got earliest DNA, including the ancient ghost DNA. It's the ancient DNA I want to focus on sef.

Olu317:
Which Ifaodu stanza are you referring ? Shed more light.

Secondly, Orunmila is also known as Odudua in ifa stanza "Agbeka." He descended ontop water and healed the earth

Thirdly, there is another story of Odudua as humanbeing who Orunmila supported to overpower Obatala humanbeing aswell

Fourthly, there are two oke ora. Once is being reconstructed from Egypt's Coptic's language "ke Ra", which wasnt too far from "Elephan" Elephantine." While the Yorubas "oke Ora" is at Ileife .

Which of the "Oke Ra" do you think Yoruba ancestors descended through ?

Dsimmer:


First, Oduduwa, the king didn't come from anywhere. He was from Oke Ora 📍

Oduduwa, the king became king more than 2000yrs ago and predates Mohammad to begin with, so those saying rubbish about him leaving mecca because of Mohammad need their heads checked to begin with. Anyone with a brain would know it's rubbish because Oduduwa, the king predates Mohammed to begin with and Oduduwa, the king was a black man, just as his name signifies📌. As a matter of fact, Oduduwa the king came from Oke Ora and its also stated by Ifa. The other Oduduwa which dropped from the sky as stated by Ifa represent cosmos creation which creates the black space, the earth and the first human who's a black man as the Oduduwa name depicts. As we all know, the first man on earth was a black man who's the progenitor of all humans.

On the Eurasian gene which is 7500- 10000yrs old, it's an ancient Eurasian gene which is pointing to an old time. I once opined that Yoruba could be part of the Isrealites if we take in cognizance of the Yoruba having similar names for God as the Isrealites such as Oluwa, Eledumare, Olorun, ìyè/Eriwoyah which are similar to the Isrealites' Eloah, Elohim, El'Mareh, Yahweh. There's also the Yoruba belief in a Messiah born of a virgin woman, Oyigi, which is similar to the Isrealites' belief in Messiah, albeit the Isrealites are still waiting for their own blood Messiah since they already crucified Jesus.

So either the Yoruba were part of the Isrealites (albeit they've not done any DNA test with the Isrealites irrespective of the 7500yrs old eurasian gene). OR the Yoruba are just ancient people doing their thing after all the Yoruba have got earliest DNA, including the ancient ghost DNA. It's the ancient DNA I want to focus on sef

Dsimmer:


First, Ifa always speak in parables 📍

Secondly, Orunmila is a cosmos which created the two equal halves (Obatala and Oduduwa) cosmos of a sphere which formed the whole universe. Orunmila full expatiation is "Orun mo Ela".. Ela is the first plenary/absolute expansion of Olodumare💥. That's why Ela is called "Ela, Omoloju Eledumare"📍

Ela is a spirit of light which is all about creation/creativity and intelligence/enlightenment📌

Ela is always referred as Orunmila because that's his role from the beginning. Orunmila represent intelligence and enlightenment which is what Ela represent, even as the full expatiation of Orunmila is "Orun mo Ela". Of course the first Ifa priest was named Orunmila before Ela born of a Virgin woman came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been Ela's role from the beginning of the world. Similar to how Jesus born of a Virgin came to take over the priesthood role from Moses, the first priest for the Israelites 📌.

On Oke Ora of Ife, that was where Oduduwa, the king came from. Oduduwa the king is different from Oduduwa, the creation cosmos which represent the earth creation and the first human.

Dsimmer:


First, Ifa always speak in parables 📍

Secondly, Orunmila is a cosmos which created the two equal halves (Obatala and Oduduwa) cosmos of a sphere which formed the whole universe. Orunmila full expatiation is "Orun mo Ela".. Ela is the first plenary/absolute expansion of Olodumare💥. That's why Ela is called "Ela, Omoloju Eledumare"📍

Ela is a spirit of light which is all about creation/creativity and intelligence/enlightenment📌

Ela is always referred as Orunmila because that's his role from the beginning. Orunmila represent intelligence and enlightenment which is what Ela represent, even as the full expatiation of Orunmila is "Orun mo Ela". Of course the first Ifa priest was named Orunmila before Ela born of a Virgin woman came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been Ela's role from the beginning of the world. Similar to how Jesus born of a Virgin came to take over the priesthood role from Moses, the first priest for the Israelites 📌.

On Oke Ora of Ife, that was where Oduduwa, the king came from. Oduduwa the king is different from Oduduwa, the creation cosmos which represent the earth creation and the first human.

Dsimmer:


First, Ifa always speak in parables 📍

Secondly, Orunmila is a cosmos which created the two equal halves (Obatala and Oduduwa) cosmos of a sphere which formed the whole universe. Orunmila full expatiation is "Orun mo Ela".. Ela is the first plenary/absolute expansion of Olodumare💥. That's why Ela is called "Ela, Omoloju Eledumare"📍

Ela is a spirit of light which is all about creation/creativity and intelligence/enlightenment📌

Ela is always referred as Orunmila because that's his role from the beginning. Orunmila represent intelligence and enlightenment which is what Ela represent, even as the full expatiation of Orunmila is "Orun mo Ela". Of course the first Ifa priest was named Orunmila before Ela born of a Virgin woman came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been Ela's role from the beginning of the world. Similar to how Jesus born of a Virgin came to take over the priesthood role from Moses, the first priest for the Israelites 📌.

On Oke Ora of Ife, that was where Oduduwa, the king came from. Oduduwa the king is different from Oduduwa, the creation cosmos which represent the earth creation and the first human.

Olu317:
Interesting. Albeit, you're correct in some areas but not in the personality of Ela omo oyigi .

Ela omo oyigi was born through ewe Ela with other akose ifa. Hence, he was named Ela.

Ela omo oyigi being a miracle child was born when the mother went to seek after her daily bread in the forest. She then began to labour and gave birth to him.

Thereafter , with no one around to help her, she left the child and went to nearby village. On her return , the child had cleaned himself up and was seen walking when his mother and the villagers arrived.......

Do you know why Ela Omo Oyigi Left Orunmila house ?

Are you aware of the consequence that followed such act by Ela ?

He later ascent through a tiny rope to Orun

What about Ela Eluorogbo ?

What about Ela Oluwo Orun ?

Ela also the name of Orunmila Orun mi eni ma la

Orun mi e la = Sudden success manifestation of Orun /Heaven ?

Obatala is not any half of creation neither was odudua but both were participants in creation.

Orunmila lo tele ile aye do(Orunmila went to establish the world.

Ogun lo lana ona ti ojo fi la (Ogun sword was used to clear the path for earth to being) .Hence, Olojo festival and Ogun worship/veneration in different places across Yoruba land and places Yoruba culture are celebrated

Dsimmer:


The thing is you don't follow up on the names and also, you keep mixing up the human Orisha with the primordial Orisha. While Ifa do speak in parables, it does drop hints.

Ela olurogbo is same as Ela Omo Oyigi (Oyigi is the virgin who gave birth to Ela). As a matter of fact, Olurogbo means Lord of the ancient one which is simply Ela 's accolades. Same as Ela, Oluwo orun.

Ela is the absolute extension of Olodumare and that's why he's called Ela, Omoloju Eledumare 💥 In fact, It's Ela who started the creation of the universe by creating the primordial Obatala Orisha and the primordial Oduduwa Orisha which are the two equal halves of a sphere which formed the universe. Obatala means the King of light while Oduduwa means the vessel holding the black creations. That's exactly how the universe looks like, even as all things are made up of light and matter. It's Obatala and Oduduwa combination which formed other things on earth hence all things started from Ela, Omoloju Eledumare 📌

Btw, let me inform you that the primordial Orisha is different from the human Orisha as I already stated. For example, the primordial Oduduwa Orisha is different from the human Oduduwa king who ruled Ife. The primordial Obatala Orisha is different from the human Obatala king who ruled Ife. Ifa picked these two humans to be kings of Ife, in a bid to depict the two primordial Orisha (Obatala and Oduduwa) which formed the universe. Note that Ifa is also an educative platform which always tries to ensure the Yoruba keep these things into memory hence it always pick up human representations to depict the primordial Orisha so that the Yoruba can keep it easily into memory 📍

Back to Ela, Ela is also referred to as Orunmila which is "Orun mo Ela" in full expatiation. Orunmila represent intelligence and wisdom which is what Ela represent. Ela is a spirit of light which is all about intelligence/enlightenment, creation/creativity and clarity.

Of course the first Ifa priest was named Orunmila before Ela born of a virgin came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been his role from the beginning of the world. Similar to how Jesus born of a virgin took over the priesthood role from Moses who was the first priest for the Isrealites.

Olu317:
Ela Eluorogbo is not Ela omo oyigi ota omi. They are not the same personality.

2. This is also not correct on Ela Oluwo Orun.There is no ifa corpus that mentioned Ela Eluorogbo as Ela Oluwo Orun. If you know such odu then cite it.

3.

Dsimmer:


Ela olurogbo is the same as Ela omo oyigi. The one who is different is the Ela olurogbo of Moremi who was a married woman. In fact, it was stated that Moremi named her child, Ela olurogbo because of the popularity and divine nature of the previous Ela olurogbo.

Whenever Ifa mention Ela, it simply means Ela! Whether Ela Olurogbo, Ela Omo Oyigi or Ela Oluwo Orun. All are same.

Olu317:
You should read a bit about my edited post.

They are not the same. If you are an isese person , you will know these things.

Are you aware of festival rites and celebration of Ela Oluorogbo in ileife ? If you know, you will mix them up.

Do you know in this month Ebibi there is a celebration associated with Ela Omo ikofa Orunmila ?

Do you know reason for the celebration ?

Dsimmer:


I already stated that Ela olurogbo of Moremi is different from Ela olurogbo of Oyigi, the virgin woman. However, whenever Ifa mention Ela, it simply means Ela! Whether Ela Olurogbo, Ela Omo Oyigi or Ela Oluwo Orun. All are same.

Olu317:
Stop this please!Ela oyigi defaulted and sinned against Orunmila.

This is the reason, there is Odun Ela to appease and ask for for forgiveness of our sinful attitudes to Orunmila and Eledumare even against other irunmoles as well as ancestors of ours.

If you do not know these, then you need associate yourself with isese people to get better understanding on the subject matter.

Dsimmer:


What sin did Ela make against Orunmila? Let's start from there. Have you forgotten that Ela is Orunmila (Orun mo Ela), albeit the first Ifa priest was named Orunmila before Ela born of a virgin woman, Oyigi came to take over the Orunmila role which has always been his role?

Of course Ela, Omoloju Eledumare is often referred as the saviour of the world hence why the Odun Ela is about asking forgiveness from Orunmila (Ela) and Eledumare.