budaatum:
Remember I said no one controls us?

Come put sellotape over our mouths if you want to try. But note. We've been through much more and are still here!

This is duplicitous and misleading budaatum.

That is not what completely and how fully TATIME wrote that remark.
You butchered and cut to pieces what and how he originally wrote
and in this distorted format, you've now made it have a different slant and meaning

LordReed:


LoL. TATIME is on a long thing.

It's just so funny how you quote Jesus who said "I do nothing of my own initiative" John 8:28 But you don't want to be controlled by anyone whether seen or unseen!
In a minute you'll quote Jesus when you're looking for something to support your isolated thoughts and the next minute you'll discard His existence!
Well Jesus actually came to CONTROL the minds of those who choose to be His friends, that's why He is Lord! John 13:13,14
You can't imitate Him because you're trying to stop people from following some controllers and at the same time teaching them none compliance to instructions that's beneficial. Jesus on the other hand destroyed the controlling source instituted by some humans and established His own,claiming He is doing so to bring people under a higher intelligent being GOD!
That's why He classified some as SHEEP(because they behave like a domestic animal that's always in need of guidance) Matthew 9:36,10:16,25: and some as GOATS(because they behave like a domestic animal that often objects to guidance or Control) Matthew 25:33,34
I've told you that there is Contradictions,Misinformation and Misrepresentation.
So all you need to know now is what are the benefits of following Jesus in the right sense, but it's obvious you just don't care about the benefits since it will required OBEDIENCE on your part! I've tried to help you distinguish between false Christians and true Christianity but you always like to mix everything together simply because you don't want to be controlled!
I'm a Christian and in true Christianity THERE is NO EXTORTION of any kind! We spend our time and resources in educating humble ones about the future of this earth,to hope in the promises of it's maker. So don't think i'm just another Pastor my friends, i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses WE DON'T HAVE PASTORS in fact every dedicated member is a qualified PREACHER and TEACHER! Everyone has WORK as in SKILLS to feed himself/herself. 2Timothy 2:25

MuttleyLaff:
This is duplicitous and misleading budaatum.

That is not what completely and how fully TATIME wrote that remark.
You butchered and cut to pieces what and how he originally wrote
and in this distorted format, you've now made it have a different slant and meaning

I've silenced their grandparents in ATHEISM so they're NO match for the TRUTH!
If their faculty say "zore compliance to control" i wonder what they're trying to do with those who feels the need for control. Perhaps they're disguising like Satan who subtly spoke through a serpent asking Eve "did God say you should not eat of EVERY tree of the garden?" But in the actual sense Satan is indirectly asking "are you saying 'you can't do what you want?'". Genesis 3:1
If they're not interested in divine guidance it's OK,after all not all angels who are privileged to SEE God face to face feels the need for control as in continuous obedience to divine instruction.1Peter 3:19,20,Jude 6
So it's no surprise if ordinary creatures made from dust who can't even SEE God are doing the same thing!
But what i'm saying is "they should follow their own tenet" if you object to CONTROL, DON'T THINK OF CONTROLLING OTHERS!

TATIME:
I've silenced their grandparents in ATHEISM so they're NO match for the TRUTH!
If their faculty say "zore compliance to control" i wonder what they're trying to do with those who feels the need for control. Perhaps they're disguising like Satan who subtly spoke through a serpent asking Eve "did God say you should not eat of EVERY tree of the garden?" But in the actual sense Satan is indirectly asking "are you saying 'you can't do what you want?'". Genesis 3:1
If they're not interested in divine guidance it's OK,after all not all angels who are privileged to SEE God face to face feels the need for control as in continuous obedience to divine instruction.1Peter 3:19,20,Jude 6
So it's no surprise if ordinary creatures made from dust who can't even SEE God are doing the same thing!
But what i'm saying is "they should follow their own tenet" if you object to CONTROL, DON'T THINK OF CONTROLLING OTHERS!

I was scratching my head, scrolling up and down
looking in vain for what budaatum quoted, thinking to myself how can TATIME be writing like this.

Of course, the reason I wasnt able to find it was because of the butchering

He's now gone back to edit "let ATHEISTS remain silent" adding because at the end
though he says he is not into editing posts once submitted

MuttleyLaff:
I was scratching my head, scrolling up and down
looking in vain for what budaatum quoted, thinking to myself how can TATIME be writing like this.

Of course, the reason I wasnt able to find it was because of the butchering

He's now gone back to edit "let ATHEISTS remain silent" adding because at the end
though he says he is not into editing posts once submitted

I do remember saying I am "not into editing posts", though not for the reason you gave, so are you accusing buda of butchering?

I would like you to be clearer please, though I am certain it is not I whom you are claiming added ""let ATHEISTS remain silent" adding because at the end".

MuttleyLaff:
This is duplicitous and misleading budaatum.

That is not what completely and how fully TATIME wrote that remark.
You butchered and cut to pieces what and how he originally wrote
and in this distorted format, you've now made it have a different slant and meaning

Ah, I missed this! Tatime did specifically say:

Why not mind your business by allowing those who feels the need for control to be tamed by their captors?

And

"let ATHEISTS remain silent because"

So I can't understand what you say has been butchered! Please explain!

TATIME:

Well Jesus actually came to CONTROL the minds of those who choose to be His friends, that's why He is Lord! John 13:13,14

You lie, Tatime, or at least, you misunderstand! John 13:13-14 reads: “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet" in no way means he "came to control minds those who choose to be His friends"! It would be rather odd, after all, if as we read, his ministry to free people from those who enslave them would only be to enslave them to his own control!

Jesus came to free people from control, and actually sent a comforter to further minister to them individually after he left. It is therefore not for you to assume the position of the comforter giving your own understanding and asking that we accept your control in it's place! If your so called God wished that we be controlled, he would not have created us with a mind to make free choices. And you don't get to intermediate between the comforter and anyone else, since I, as an atheist, would continue to throw spanners in such designs whether you like it or not!

budaatum:
I do remember saying I am "not into editing posts", though not for the reason you gave, so are you accusing buda of butchering?

I would like you to be clearer please, though I am certain it is not I whom you are claiming added ""let ATHEISTS remain silent" adding because at the end".

budaatum:
Ah, I missed this! Tatime did specifically say:

Why not mind your business by allowing those who feels the need for control to be tamed by their captors?

And

"let ATHEISTS remain silent because"

So I can't understand what you say has been butchered! Please explain!

I was scratching my head, scrolling up and down
looking in vain for what you quoted, thinking to myself how can TATIME be writing like this.

Of course, the reason I wasnt able to find it was because you made it something shorter to not mean what the real content meant

MuttleyLaff:
I was scratching my head, scrolling up and down
looking in vain for what budaatum quoted, thinking to myself how can TATIME be writing like this.

Of course, the reason I wasnt able to find it was because of the butchering

He's now gone back to edit "let ATHEISTS remain silent" adding because at the end
though he says he is not into editing posts once submitted

Though they're HIGHLY skillful at waving the TRUTH since one of the attributes of TRUTH is submission and they're not ready to submit to anyone as long as such submission will hinder their selfish interest!
Jesus is the wisest of all who ever lived on this planet, whoever passed through His school of thought can handle any philosopher from any faculty! Act 26:28
One of there professors saw two JWs at his doorstep knocking,one about 50 almost his age and the other a young girl of about 20, he came to send them away but noticing the beautiful young girl he said.
Pro~you're still very young my child and you have a bright future ahead of you,why following this old man(pointing to the other JW)? Look,the Bible can be very interesting but it doesn't worth wasting your youth on it's content because it was written by humans like you and me.
Young sis~ Thanks Sir for the timely advice, but Sir i perceived you're well educated.
Pro~ I'm a professor.
Young sis~ Oh! We have professors in our varsity Sir, but there is something that baffles me.
LPro~ what is it my daughter?
Young sis~ Have you studied the Bible before?
Pro~NO to be frank with you.
Young sis~ As a professor Sir, how can you speak so strongly about a book you never studied?
Professor was overwhelmed,the little girl has a point! Professor decided to study the Bible from page to page and guess what? Today, he is now preaching and teaching about God's kingdom message found in the Bible to all his neighbors as one of Jehovah's Witnesses!
So if they're rejecting God's word, it's not because they've got any tenable excuse(Romans 1:20) but they just want to be free doing whatever comes to their heart without restraint! Ephesians 5:6

buda is not one who it can be said, "NO to be frank with you", has not studied the Bible, as you should have gathered from our detailed conversations, Tatime!

The attribute of truth is not submission, but understanding. One may as well accuse Jesus for not submitting to the "truth" of the Pharisees who just did happen to also claim to have studied scripture in their own time too, when what they were doing was insert their own myopic understanding for the truth of the Word of God just as you seem to be doing.

TATIME:
Though they're HIGHLY skillful at waving the TRUTH since one of the attributes of TRUTH is submission and they're not ready to submit to anyone as long as such submission will hinder their selfish interest!
Jesus is the wisest of all who ever lived on this planet, whoever passed through His school of thought can handle any philosopher from any faculty! Act 26:28
One of there professors saw two JWs at his doorstep knocking,one about 50 almost his age and the other a young girl of about 20, he came to send them away but noticing the beautiful young girl he said.
Pro~you're still very young my child and you have a bright future ahead of you,why following this old man(pointing to the other JW)? Look,the Bible can be very interesting but it doesn't worth wasting your youth on it's content because it was written by humans like you and me.
Young sis~ Thanks Sir for the timely advice, but Sir i perceived you're well educated.
Pro~ I'm a professor.
Young sis~ Oh! We have professors in our varsity Sir, but there is something that baffles me.
LPro~ what is it my daughter?
Young sis~ Have you studied the Bible before?
Pro~NO to be frank with you.
Young sis~ As a professor Sir, how can you speak so strongly about a book you never studied?
Professor was overwhelmed,the little girl has a point! Professor decided to study the Bible from page to page and guess what? Today, he is now preaching and teaching about God's kingdom message found in the Bible to all his neighbors as one of Jehovah's Witnesses!
So if they're rejecting God's word, it's not because they've got any tenable excuse(Romans 1:20) but they just want to be free doing whatever comes to their heart without restraint! Ephesians 5:6

budaatum:

You lie, Tatime, or at least, you misunderstand! John 13:13-14 reads: “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet" in no way means he "came to control minds those who choose to be His friends"! It would be rather odd, after all, if as we read, his ministry to free people from those who enslave them would only be to enslave them to his own control!

Jesus came to free people from control, and actually sent a comforter to further minister to them individually after he left. It is therefore not for you to assume the position of the comforter giving your own understanding and asking that we accept your control in it's place! If your so called God wished that we be controlled, he would not have created us with a mind to make free choices. And you don't get to intermediate between the comforter and anyone else, since I, as an atheist, would continue to throw spanners in such designs whether you like it or not!

Well,perhaps you understood Jesus much more than His friends who happens to be His contemporaries! 1Corinthians 2:16, 1Peter 2:22
Or Paul was wrong for saying God subjected EVERYTHING under (Jesus') feet. 1Corinthians 15:27
For your information my atheist friend, the word Christian means Christlike or little~Christ it connotes living ones life in total conformity or harmony with the laid down principles of Christ! Matthew 10:32-39
It's not like your folks who merely follow your ATHEIST professors without having to conform to any standatds or principles!
When you become a Christian you're NO MORE entitled to live for yourself but for CHRIST who CONTROLS your thoughts, words and actions! Luke 9:23,14:27
That's why i said you've been MISINFORMED by those MISREPRESENTATION you called Pastors, now that you're getting the flaws in their doctrines, don't blame Jesus for their actions. As you're now expecting Jesus to come down and speak directly with you!

budaatum:
buda is not one who it can be said, "NO to be frank with you", has not studied the Bible, as you should have gathered from our detailed conversations, Tatime!

The attribute of truth is not submission, but understanding. One may as well accuse Jesus for not submitting to the "truth" of the Pharisees who just did happen to also claim to have studied scripture in their own time too, when what they were doing was insert their own myopic understanding for the truth of the Word of God just as you seem to be doing.

Hmmmmmmmmm So when there are two contradicting opinions,what will show that there is mutual understanding when there is NO submission?
My friend, TRUTH is not two conflicting ideas but ONE.
So in the event that there are two CONFLICTING opinions, the only way to prove one is TRUE is when one person SUBMIT to the other!
Jesus as a 12 years old have proved that those religious leaders don't understand the scriptures! Luke 2:42-47
How do you now expect the same Jesus now 30 years old after been anointed with God's Holy Spirit(Luke 3:23) to be of lower intellect before those title crazy religious leaders?
Moreover their religious settings brought no positive change in the lifestyle and attitude of those they're teaching. Whereas within just 3years Jesus was able to turn vicious zealots like Peter into a mild tempered fellow!
Sorry my friend, Christianity is about positive accomplishments and that's what true Christians are doing right now,though it's a pity that those MISINFORMED and MISREPRESENTION called Pastors have deluded you with false doctrines and disappointed you a lot but that doesn't mean there is NOTHING like true Christianity!

TATIME:
It's just so funny how you quote Jesus who said "I do nothing of my own initiative" John 8:28 But you don't want to be controlled by anyone whether seen or unseen!
In a minute you'll quote Jesus when you're looking for something to support your isolated thoughts and the next minute you'll discard His existence!
Well Jesus actually came to CONTROL the minds of those who choose to be His friends, that's why He is Lord! John 13:13,14
You can't imitate Him because you're trying to stop people from following some controllers and at the same time teaching them none compliance to instructions that's beneficial. Jesus on the other hand destroyed the controlling source instituted by some humans and established His own,claiming He is doing so to bring people under a higher intelligent being GOD!
That's why He classified some as SHEEP(because they behave like a domestic animal that's always in need of guidance) Matthew 9:36,10:16,25: and some as GOATS(because they behave like a domestic animal that often objects to guidance or Control) Matthew 25:33,34
I've told you that there is Contradictions,Misinformation and Misrepresentation.
So all you need to know now is what are the benefits of following Jesus in the right sense, but it's obvious you just don't care about the benefits since it will required OBEDIENCE on your part! I've tried to help you distinguish between false Christians and true Christianity but you always like to mix everything together simply because you don't want to be controlled!
I'm a Christian and in true Christianity THERE is NO EXTORTION of any kind! We spend our time and resources in educating humble ones about the future of this earth,to hope in the promises of it's maker. So don't think i'm just another Pastor my friends, i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses WE DON'T HAVE PASTORS in fact every dedicated member is a qualified PREACHER and TEACHER! Everyone has WORK as in SKILLS to feed himself/herself. 2Timothy 2:25

Guy this your long epistle has nothing to do with me o. I didn't quote Jesus, unless you think Dbanj is now Jesus.

LordReed:


Guy this your long epistle has nothing to do with me o. I didn't quote Jesus, unless you think Dbanj is now Jesus.

Oh i see! So you can now disown your atheist brother who quoted JESUS.
I thought you're together, Sorry i've forgotten there's no uniformity regarding ideas in your faculty.
It's your course mate that's been quoting Jesus to support his former beliefs that he has now abandoned!
Walahi Talahi ATHEISM will not kill me with amusement in their self condemnation,please next time we'll start quoting dbanj as your role model!

TATIME:
Oh i see! So you can now disown your atheist brother who quoted JESUS.
I thought you're together, Sorry i've forgotten there's no uniformity regarding ideas in your faculty.
It's your course mate that's been quoting Jesus to support his former beliefs that he has now abandoned!
Walahi Talahi ATHEISM will not kill me with amusement in their self condemnation,please next time we'll start quoting dbanj as your role model!

Why would you respond to me talking about what someone else said like if I said it? That's not how sane people communicate OK.

LordReed:


Why would you respond to me talking about what someone else said like if I said it? That's not how sane people communicate OK.

I said Sorry Sir nah!
It was a mistake Sir, it won't repeat itself again Sir.
And next time i now know whose words to quote for you as a respected professor in your faculty "Prof Dbanj"

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm So when there are two contradicting opinions,what will show that there is mutual understanding when there is NO submission?
My friend, TRUTH is not two conflicting ideas but ONE.
So in the event that there are two CONFLICTING opinions, the only way to prove one is TRUE is when one person SUBMIT to the other!

Simple logic should make you see the error in this sort of thinking Tatime, for I am certainly sure that in your opinion, you submitting to me does not, in yours or anyone else's opinion, make my view the truth and your's, false! If truth was as simple as you imply, there would be no need to reason! We would all just submit to the opinion of some "title crazy religious leaders" and accept that what we submit to is the truth. That may satisfy you religious people, but God forbid that we atheists refuse to use our God given minds and submit as you appear to do!

And neither does mutual understanding imply submission. Or are you suggesting that one cannot understand you and remain independent of you!?

TATIME:
Christianity is about positive accomplishments and that's what true Christians are doing right now,though it's a pity that those MISINFORMED and MISREPRESENTION called Pastors have deluded you with false doctrines and disappointed you a lot but that doesn't mean there is NOTHING like true Christianity!

We atheists also desire positive accomplishments, Tatime. We just do not agree that your stick your head in one book and condemn everyone else's way and require that we all submit to you is the best way to achieve it!

LordReed:


Why would you respond to me talking about what someone else said like if I said it? That's not how sane people communicate OK.

I wonder o. He thinks we atheist submit to the same "title crazy religious leaders" as the religious people seem to do, perhaps!

budaatum:

I wonder o. He thinks we atheist submit to the same "title crazy religious leaders" as the religious people seem to do, perhaps!

Indeed, the lemming like follow follow can be debilitating to wit.

TATIME:
Well,perhaps you understood Jesus much more than His friends who happens to be His contemporaries! 1Corinthians 2:16, 1Peter 2:22
Or Paul was wrong for saying God subjected EVERYTHING under (Jesus') feet. 1Corinthians 15:27
For your information my atheist friend, the word Christian means Christlike or little~Christ it connotes living ones life in total conformity or harmony with the laid down principles of Christ!

Christ's was subjected to his father in heaven, Tatime, and not to the Bible or "title crazy religious leaders" or Paul for that matter, and as I mentioned in a previous conversation, I am one who would go up the mountain with Moses et all to the presence of said God, and not some sheepie who needs to listen to some "title crazy religious leaders" or you, in fact, who feels unworthy to be in the presence of God and needs to submit to "crazy religious leaders"!

Are you suggesting that the Bible or "title crazy religious leaders" or Paul are a replacement for a jealous God whom no image must be made and worshipped? Or is it that your God Almighty did not create buda to be an atheist who does not believe in your God? Or perhaps it is that buda does not live in total conformity or harmony with the laid down principles of Christ according to you? If not that last one, then how you assume to have ascended into heaven and sit at the right hand of the Father judging the living and the dead until your enemies are under your feet beats me. Though it would explain why your desire is that I, buda, submit to you!

@budaatum
Reasoning together will do it my friend.
You guys coming to the media just to kick against SUBMISSION won't do any good. We are intelligent beings with FREEWILL and for that reason we can't think alike,that's why the Creator set some standards to guide us in achieving needed PEACE and SECURITY.
So it's not me that you're submitting to my friend, it's the one to whom Jesus also submitted as His God.
Many ATHEISTS(GOATS) are still joining your folks soon because THEY FEEL THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY REASON FOR BELIEVING AS IN SUBMITTING TO AN UNSEEN PERSON!
That's when true Christians(SHEEP) will finally stand out clearly as foretold in Jesus' illustration of the sheep and the goats. Matthew 25:31-46
All the religions of this world will come under on umbrella ATHEISM(those who feels NO submission) and the TRUE Christians will also come under one umbrella JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (those who IDENTIFIES "Jesus' brothers"
Soon from now my friend, very very soon!

paranoid jw TATIME


you also posted me following a few zodiakzak posts thinking zak and i are the same person

and you posted me following a brocab post thinking bro and i are the same person


paranoia is not from God, but it is from your god tatime

LordReed:

Why would you respond to me talking about what someone else said like if I said it? That's not how sane people communicate OK.

2Ti 1:7  For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Religion can't answer all the questions that MUST be asked-FACT.

johnw47:
paranoid jw TATIME


you also posted me following a few zodiakzak posts thinking zak and i are the same person

and you posted me following a brocab post thinking bro and i are the same person


paranoia is not from God, but it is from your god tatime







2Ti 1:7  For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

SOUND MIND!

HellVictorinho:
Religion can't answer all the questions that MUST be asked-FACT.

Yes! FALSE Religion cannot answer ALL the questions that could be asked. FACT
But TRUE Christianity will answer ALL the RELEVANT questions about LIFE!

TATIME:
Yes! FALSE Religion cannot answer ALL the questions that could be asked. FACT
But TRUE Christianity will answer ALL the RELEVANT questions about LIFE!

Why do mosquitoes exist ?

TATIME:
SOUND MIND!

oh duh once again nonsense poster false jw tatime,
truly your paranoia and lies are not from a sound mind, but from a spirit of fear

2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

HellVictorinho:


Why do mosquitoes exist ?

Why do you think they exist?

budaatum:

Simple logic should make you see the error in this sort of thinking Tatime, for I am certainly sure that in your opinion, you submitting to me does not, in yours or anyone else's opinion, make my view the truth and your's, false! If truth was as simple as you imply, there would be no need to reason! We would all just submit to the opinion of some "title crazy religious leaders" and accept that what we submit to is the truth. That may satisfy you religious people, but God forbid that we atheists refuse to use our God given minds and submit as you appear to do!

And neither does mutual understanding imply submission. Or are you suggesting that one cannot understand you and remain independent of you!?


We atheists also desire positive accomplishments, Tatime. We just do not agree that your stick your head in one book and condemn everyone else's way and require that we all submit to you is the best way to achieve it!

Have you listened to this man yet?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwi9Q9apHGI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyYdGiJpyXk

johnw47:
]2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

TATIME:
SOUND MIND!

mocker of God's word tatime
surely a fool laughs at everything he says
and none of it is humorous

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.


tatime you thought lord reed was someone else
you thought i was zodiakzax
you thought i was brocab

besides mental instability and foolishness
another reason for all of your laughter is:
when you have nothing truthful to say you just lie and laugh

you do a hell of a lot of lying and laughing

TATIME:
Yes! FALSE Religion cannot answer ALL the questions that could be asked. FACT
But TRUE Christianity will answer ALL the RELEVANT questions about LIFE!

you tatime are not a true christian
true christians don't believe in two gods
a almighty god the father and a mighty god the son
as you do

Almighty and Mighty are names for the one true God:

God is the Almighty God:
Gen_17:1  And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

God is the mighty God:
Jer_32:18  Thou shewest lovingkindness unto thousands, and recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them: the Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts, is his name

9inches:


Why do you think they exist?

Nothing positive about them has been discovered so far.