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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Anas09: 4:13pm On Nov 15, 2018|
LordReed:He is not human. We are either male or female, you can't be both.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by vaxx: 5:19pm On Nov 15, 2018|
darkchild64:lol, i intentionally ignore it. Cus I have answer this question in my created thread.
Anyway this what a prominent christain says ""The current Catholic Pope, Francis: If a person says without any doubt that he has found GOD, something is wrong. If one has an answer to all questions, GOD is not with that person. A Christian who has everything clear and certain will not find anything"" flawless evidence itself is an error, science and logic does not support it.
And not to further derail this thread, as i am currently following the op. Visit the my ""what created God "" thread and read my response on your question.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 5:25pm On Nov 15, 2018|
I think you should look up the meaning of gender fluid.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 5:26pm On Nov 15, 2018|
Adam and Eve ‘disobeyed’ God then God punished them with suffering and eternal damnation on their first offense then tried to fix it by making his son (also God) human and forcing him to die for the man he cursed. So many unhealthy ways to show love.
But they will say God works in mysterious ways.
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 5:29pm On Nov 15, 2018|
The mysterious way in which the punishment affects everyone automatically but the solution is not automatic. Such a dumb plot.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by hahn(m): 6:28pm On Nov 15, 2018|
God is a mysterious cunt
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 7:23pm On Nov 15, 2018|
Anas09:You want to look under my skirt?
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 7:25pm On Nov 15, 2018|
Anas09:Buda is either. It seems to depend on the side of the bed buda gets out of.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 7:31pm On Nov 15, 2018|
Anas09:Buda does not do 'believe'. She either knows or he doesn't!
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Anas09: 7:33pm On Nov 15, 2018|
LordReed:Not important. It adds nothing to me.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 9:05pm On Nov 15, 2018|
Yes wallowing in ignorance is nothing to you. LoL.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Anas09: 9:23pm On Nov 15, 2018|
LordReed:Wow. Enjoy your ego. Good evening.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Anas09: 9:25pm On Nov 15, 2018|
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Anas09: 9:29pm On Nov 15, 2018|
budaatum:Lolzz. gerarahia man.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by Anas09: 9:31pm On Nov 15, 2018|
budaatum:No thanks. i'm no perv. i'm not an atheist.
I'm done here.
***Walks outa thread***
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 9:35pm On Nov 15, 2018|
Says the one who refuses to learn something new. LMFAO!
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by budaatum: 10:52pm On Nov 15, 2018|
Anas09:Ur welcome, Anas09.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by dalaman: 12:00pm On Nov 16, 2018|
God is an imaginary cunt.
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by MrPresident1: 12:28pm On Nov 16, 2018|
This weewee man you have come with your weewee again abi?
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 12:52pm On Nov 17, 2018|
Guys, let's leave religion for a while, isn't it time we acknowledged what a disaster Buhari is...
SMOKES AND MIRRORS
...by Jekwu Ozoemene
I am just tired. Nothing adds up. They said that rice importation has dropped, that in fact, we produce so much rice locally that rice mills in Thailand are shutting down in droves because there is no demand from Nigeria. Yet the US Department of Agriculture says that rice importation by Nigeria has increased, and that Nigeria (with a population of 198 Million) will remain the world’s second largest importer of rice by 2019 (second to China with a population of 1.386 Billion).
Uncle Lai is now debating whether it has dropped or increased.
They said that Nigeria’s out of school children has reduced to 8 million, UNICEF says it has increased to 13.2 million and that Nigeria now has the highest number of out of school children in the world.
Lai is still debating this as well.
While in opposition, they said that there is nothing like fuel subsidy, that any fuel subsidy payment is a fraud. When they got into government, we not only confirmed that fuel subsidy exists, but that they have baptised it Under-Recovery and are even paying much more fuel subsidy unappropriated, by illegally diverting money from NNPC and NLNG.
VP and NNPC are debating whether this is right or wrong...
The VP is debating whether it is government or NNPC that is paying the subsidy. The Yorubas say “omi eko, eko ni”, that the water in pap is pap as well. Me, I am just looking.
When in opposition they said that fuel importation by independent petroleum marketers was a scam. Now in government, they handle it solely through NNPC and have almost doubled the daily consumption volumes that they previously described as a scam.
The NNPC is debating the daily fuel consumption volumes.
While in opposition, they said that they will reduce fuel price from N87 per litre to N40 per litre. When they got into government, they first increased fuel price to N141 per litre and subsequently hunkered down and increased it further to N145 per litre. This was while paying more fuel subsidy than their predecessors.
We are being told that they may have to increase fuel price again.
They said that they have rooted out corruption, plugged leakages, weeded out ghost workers, ended wastage, but the only veritable confirmation of these claims should have been a drastic reduction in expenditure on all those lines. Yet these expenditure lines have almost all witnessed increases, and in the case of salaries, wages and pensions, an almost N500 Billion increase.
They say that they are winning the war against corruption, which ordinarily should reflect in our ranking under the Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index. The reverse is the case as Nigeria moved from 136 to 148 in the world this year. Probably the worst ever retrogression within a one-year period.
They say we have technically defeated Boko Haram, and that Nigeria is more secure than it has ever been, yet everyday our gallant soldiers are being slaughtered and secretly buried in cemeteries, our kith and kin are daily butchered by marauding herdsmen.
They said that they have only borrowed US$10 Billion since 2015, yet they met US$10.31682 Billion External Debt in June 2015, increased it to US$22.083 Billion by June 2018 (in June 2015, met US$1.5 Billion of the more expensive External Commercial Debt and increased it to US$8.8 Billion in June 2018). Met N8.3965 Trillion Domestic Debt in June 2015, increased it to N12.151 Trillion by June 2018. But the naira has since been devalued so the Vice President argues that they only borrowed US$10 Billion, and this by converting the Naira debt using today's exchange rate.
They say that they have lifted 10.073million Nigerians from poverty to prosperity, yet a report by Brookings Institution (the American research group) reveals that Nigeria (with a population of 198 million) has overtaken India (with a population of 1.324 Billion) as the poverty capital of the world. 87 million people in Nigeria living in extreme poverty, compared to India’s 73 million.
Nigeria’s minister of Budget and National Planning, Sen. Udoma Udo Udoma is still debating the numbers lifted or cast into poverty.
I can go on and on (you can add your own), but the summary is that nothing adds up with these guys. It is all propaganda, sophistry, demagoguery, smoke and mirrors.
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 8:13pm On Nov 23, 2018|
Temi Dayo wrote:
It was the perfect Catch 22:
American citizen, John Allen Chau, Christian missionary and adventurer got the divine call to go tell the natives of the remote tribe on the Andaman and Nicobar islands about his lord and saviour, Jesus Christ.
The Christian gospels hold that Jesus is the only way to God, and that to make heaven, the human has to accept Jesus into his heart and so be saved from God's anger.
Now for an acceptance or a rejection to occur, there must first be a hearing. An offer, actually.
You cannot be accused of having rejected Christ when you never heard of him. You cannot be said to have accepted or rejected something you were never offered - something or someone you never knew existed.
If you do not reject Jesus Christ, you will not be condemned.
For some odd reason, it'd appear the same God who sent Chau to go tell the natives what he would do to them if they did not accept his son, as introduced by his son, Allen Chau, did not make this a two-way thing.
God, apparently didn't tell the natives to receive Allen Chau so he could tell them how God will roast them forever in hellfire if they didn't repent and become born again Christians like Chau.
The decision therefore was simple for the natives.
They shot John Chau dead with arrows and buried him even before he could open his mouth and say "repent".
Of course, it is highly unlikely they would even have understood what he was saying, or would even have understood the word, "Christ", seeing as these people have not had any physical contact with other humans different from them in 75,000 years, and are descendants of a race which has repelled contact from the world as we know it in 30,000 years.
They still haven't heard about Jesus as we speak, so they can still make heaven, seeing as they never heard the gospel and so couldn't know that they had to be born again to enter heaven.
They didn't reject Christ. They didn't reject the gospel of Christ. They didn't reject Jehovah.
Sense will not kill those Indian island natives. See native sense nah. Chai!
They didn't break any laws either. They have a territory. They saw a threat to their territorial integrity. They neutralised it.
It is what Pentecostals do with demons every morning. Every Sunday. Every weekday.
It is what some rascals do every Friday night in my neighborhood, and every night preceding a public holiday.
They call their congresses of nuisance and chaos, "night vigil".
I hope the woman who stands to yell in front of my gate at 5 a.m nearly every day is somehow empowered to go to the Andaman Islands to do her "morning cry" someday soon.
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 8:41pm On Nov 23, 2018|
Pastors should fly their jets there to preach the gospel.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 6:19am On Nov 26, 2018|
HOW TO DEAL WITH MAGIC
The moment you accept that magic exists, you are lost. That is the moment when you relinquish your reason. That is the moment, when you accept that some things are beyond the purview of reason and you resign yourself to never understanding them.
Worse, you have no way of knowing WHICH events can be attributed to magic. Potentially, anything you don't understand could be magic. Once you accept magic, you are susceptible to believing any story you hear--you have abandoned your ability to distinguish the feasible from the ridiculous. You have reached a place where NOTHING is too absurd to believe.
With magic, you can create a world in your mind in which nothing is predictable, anything can happen, nothing can be trusted, the limits of the possible have been erased. In this world, inhabited by powerful and menacing powers and beings, you are helpless--your only hope is to find more powerful magic to counter the threats you face. You have created a mad world.
Fortunately, it is easy to make these horrors go away. You just have to decide magic is not real and stop believing in it. Remind yourself, no magic has ever been proven to be real. There are tricks, deceptions and illusions but under controlled conditions they are always exposed as tricks.
You should also realise there are a few billion people in the world who are NEVER affected by magic. These people only have one thing in common--they don't believe in it.
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 3:29pm On Nov 27, 2018|
Jekwu Ozoemene wrote:
Nigeria probably has the largest collection of largest church auditoria in the world, as well as the largest collection of future (under construction) largest church auditoria in the world.
Our churches are in a perpetual pissing contest to outdo themselves in a "who has the world's biggest auditorium" gameshow. Whether it is the Living Faith Church Worldwide’s (Winners Chapel) “Faith Tabernacle”, RCCG’s “The Redemption Camp”, Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministry’s (MFM) “MFM Temple”, the “Great Tabernacle” of the Apostolic Faith Mission, and now the new reigning champion, the 100,000 seated capacity “Lord Garden” of Dunamis International Christian Centre.
I have a feeling that with this development, Salvation Ministries would have to increase the capacity of its under construction 90,000 capacity Hand of God Auditorium. It was initially touted to be the world’s biggest church auditorium upon completion, after all, if I remember correctly, Dunamis’ “the Lord Garden” started off as a 75,000 capacity auditorium.
This “my church is bigger than yours phenomenon” amidst our present realities is indicative of the fact that Nigeria is very rich in faith, enmeshed in the pursuit of spiritualty but surrounded by low productivity, poverty and impoverishment.
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 12:18pm On Nov 28, 2018|
I don't want to vex anyone this morning.
But this thing I heard gave me sleepless nights.
So I want to apologize to church folks before I begin.
Someone said our criticism of lavish spending on monuments by religious organizations against a backdrop of misery and poverty was unfair. He went on to state that the church is a veritable employer of labour, responsible for paying salaries to thousands if not millions of people.
I will make simple illustrations.
Politics in Nigeria employs thousands of people, from notable assistants of governors and legislators to lowly social media vuvuzelas. So would someone argue for increase in politics in order to create more jobs? Is politics a productive sector of the economy? What is its contribution to Nigeria's GDP?
So if I'm not mistaken, more churches and more mosques will directly lead to more jobs and greater productivity? What do churches produce, if I may ask? Sorry, we cannot compare religion to entertainment and sports in terms of productivity. Nigerians do not invest money in churches with the expectation that they will recoup their initial investments and make tidy profits.
Churches earn millions from people who donate voluntarily to further their religious objectives.
Are we arguing that in spending millions, the church contributes massively to the Nigerian economy? So the impact would be as striking as injecting millions into education and local industry?
Then of course I support the proliferation of churches. If most or all Nigerians are employed in a church, we will become an advanced economy in just a few years.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 3:06pm On Nov 28, 2018|
One thing I find funny is the statement by Enenche that they paid millions of dollars for that roof which means potentially they collected peoples money in naira converted it to dollars and spent it outside the shores of this nation. The church just engaged in capital flight and they are celebrating it as an achievement instead of weeping about how they keep sustaining the insane price of the dollar. What a shame.
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 11:09am On Nov 29, 2018|
God of Men
The concept of “Public Trust” is alien to us, that is why our politicians and God of Men think that the collective coffers are theirs to do their bidding.
For the avoidance of doubt, all religious organizations are institutions of public trust thus the general public should ordinarily expect that pastorpreneurs apply the church funds to religious purposes and judicious use.
Now, the argument that the purpose the funds are applied should be within the discretion of the congregation is also very valid. However, this is particularly why religious organisations are vulnerable to fiscal abuse because neither church members nor government can effectively monitor their accounts. In fact, as my friend Festus James pointed out to me earlier today, “to put it in clear terms, God isn't deaf, blind or even dead. He's real and very much capable of taking (up) those who abuse the office into where He has called them”.
In essence, church members put their trust fully in the moral and spiritual integrity of their pastor, with God as the regulator.
But if this “trust” in our Men of God is merited, then how come we have a large collection of multibillionaire pastropreneurs, who do not have any other source of livelihood asides from pastorprenuership?
Or is this unmerited grace? Is this wealth from freewill contributions or other entrepreneurial ventures? Is it still part of the public trust?
Whether from freewill contributions or not, whether secular or religious, what kind of society do we have if anyone can convert money held in public trust to their personal use (or any use for that matter) with impunity simply because we never want to believe that our spiritual leaders can commit a crime. Because we never want to Psalm 105:15 (KJV), “touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm”?
You will recall last year or so, when the Financial Reporting Council (FRC) sought to apply a corporate governance code for all registered churches, mosques, and civil society organisations, a large chunk of Pentecostal Nigeria rose against it. We were told that “anyone who does that (applies the corporate governance code) is incurring the wrath of God. Yes, there could be financial regulation of churches but never in the internal structure of the church”. Subsequently, Government bowed to pressure and suspended the code.
Such a retreat by government is also not unique to Nigeria. Recall that in 2007, the US Senate Finance Committee launched an investigation into the finances of 6 televangelists, insisting that taxpayers "should be assured that their donations are being used for the tax exempt purposes of the organizations." The televangelists fought this investigation for four years, and four of them remained unwilling to submit to any “meaningful transparency or accountability”, remaining very uncooperative until the Senate Committee on Finance backed down and instead asked the churches to "self-reform,". Kenneth Copeland Ministries even launched the “BelieversStandUnited.com” in response to the investigation, claiming that the Senate Committee on Finance was targeting Pentecostals.
But back home in Nigeria, all churches and religious bodies are registered as NGOs, and this is where Public Trust comes in. Though government cannot dictate to a religious body or an NGO how to spend its money, because of their NGO status, the Government has the right to step in and protect a religious body’s assets since they are held subject to a public or charitable trust (and yes, I agree that Government has an integrity problem as well, but stay with me on this one). However we have also seen from both our local FRC’s experience and that of the US Senate Committee on Finance that Government is usually wary of crossing swords with religion. I think that exceptions can still be made in the public interest, which I agree is often a very thin line between ecclesiastical and secular adjudication.
What do I consider public interest and how do I think that we can avoid crossing secular to ecclesiastical?
Public Interest should include the abuse of trust and interests of church contributors and churches in misapplication of contributions. Unfortunately, most times, the abused are the last people to realise that they are being abused and in fact are often the ones who take up arms in the defence of their abusers.
Public trust could also be the abuse of the church’s tax exemption status to avoid taxation.
So government can still establish a breach of trust and actions against the public interest by reviewing the personal wealth, businesses and tax history of pastorpreneurs, their family members and associates. But any government that wants to do this should be ready to face an outcry and backlash from the very people they intend to protect.
It is instructive that in the Forbes 2018 Pastor’s Rich List of the ten richest pastors in the world, five are from the world’s poverty capital, Nigeria; Number 1 on the list (the richest) Oyedepo is Nigerian, the third richest, Oyakhilome is Nigerian, the 5th richest, Adeboye is Nigerian and the 9th richest, T.B Joshua is Nigeria.
Of the other five on the list, three, Creflo Dollar sixth richest, Benny Hill, fourth richest, Kenneth Copeland 7th richest were all part of the 6 televangelists investigated by the US Senate Committee on Finance.
But of course, according to my friend Festus James, all that does not matter because their wealth is from freewill donations. John Copeland, Kenneth Copeland's son and Chief Executive Officer of Kenneth Copeland Ministries is also in support when he asked, “where in the Bible does it say you should have watch dogs and judgment groups that watch over ministries?"
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by LordReed(m): 2:17pm On Nov 29, 2018|
God as a regulator is an interesting idea except there is nothing showing god is regulating anything in the church. No regulation of the translation of the text, no regulation of the interpretations or doctrines arising from it, no regulation of the so called revelations, no regulation of how money is spent in any way.
Tomorrow one pastor will say he wants to buy private jet because people that fly commercial are demons. The same people he is supposed to be preaching to yet there is supposed to be an active god regulating all this nonsense. What a laughable idea.
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 6:39am On Dec 01, 2018|
If I were foreign and my first and sole contact with the Yoruba culture was through the 'home videos', I would think the women of that tribe are shrieking, pugnacious idle hands who do nothing but design devices against men all day and spend the night at the spiritualist's shrine.
I will think the men are noisy and thoughtless wine bibbers who love strictly sex, easy money and pretence to wealth. I will think they all have a big tribal inferiority complex that makes them feel a trip to London even if in a fake visa is the meaning of life.
I will have the impression that the young men are vacant of mind and completely lacking in vision besides to become experts at swearing and cursing and toying with women when they take a break from armed robbery and doing crack.
The anger, pugnacity and aggression in those videos is overpowering and nauseating to be mild. The simplicity of the scripts venerate mediocrity, superstition and utter foolishness, elevating mediocrity to the point of worship.
They portray their tribe in the worst dingy light possible and present their children as objects of intimidation and oppression. Hardly do people keep their words and most friendships end up on the slaughter slab of treachery. You can safely predict the trusting friend who helped the other with school fees will end up getting poisoned by the friend he helped all so she can convert the title deed of his property to her own.
Revenge is the rule, forgiveness is hardly known except forced Intl the script and acted in a most unnatural manner.
The women are hardly ever portrayed as capable of putting their brains to use except in scheming to steal a friend's spouse. And they never achieve anything with their lives besides marrying a rich and often abusive man.
At a point I began to suspect this could be a sinister programme to destroy they Yoruba race through negative portrayal but look a bit closely and it is the product of the race itself!
Those videos are the products of hurried, underdeveloped ideas, quickly parboiled to be served to unthinking people whose daily lives run on base superstition and archaic traditions. The central theme is to sell and make a little money before the buyers of the movies can get a little education and stop hoping in a swarm of spirits and in blind luck.
Absolutely nothing of value is espoused in these movies apart from a desire to make money by providing a feed for shameful ignorance. It is the rise of the aggressively ignorant section of the people, taking advantage of cheap technology and a market of deeply ignorant stream of people who were spawned in the Years of the Locusts, the years of darkness.
They affirm these ignorant swarm and tell them they are okay the way they are and they need not aim higher. After all, their type have gone to London and have brought back a used car with the sound system maxed out. They even built a duplex in Lekki - and isn't this the zenith of life itself!
So, what happened! Did this people produce Wole Soyinka and Ola Rotimi? Were Herbert Ogun'nde and Duro Ladiipo acorns from their tree? Did D.O Fagunwa right in that language and was it that tribe that produce Sunny Ade, Twin 77, Art Alade, Jim Rex Lawson, I.K Cairo and Orlando Owoh? Wow! That was another Yoruba entirely. It couldn't be this one!
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 8:18am On Dec 04, 2018|
That thing Father Mbaka did Peter Obi on Adoration Ground? That is the exact same thing they do to you in your local church every time they make you dance to the front of the church waving your offering in the air. Publicly shame you into giving money whether you have or not, whether the church is in actual need or not..... Peter Osun.
You go to church every Sunday and enrich charlatans but you are here being silly!
|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013: 4:47am On Dec 10, 2018|
Steve Chike Abia
Superstitious beliefs come at a cost to the society.
When we say money rituals DO NOT work - human body parts do not and can never magically vomit money for anyone; it has no basis in reality; there is no evidence that it works and anyone who remotely believe in such baseless myth is not only irredeemably stupid but also a danger to people around them - we are not only trying to debunk a bogus myth, we are also trying to keep the society sane and safe.
We can see the toll it is having on us. People are murdered everyday for nothing, human body parts are trafficked and ladies underwears are snatched at gunpoint. Rationality is sacrificed and absurdities take over. Superstition is dangerous to the general wellbeing of the society.
The idea that worn, dirty panties can magically make one wealthy can only be believed by a degenerated brain.
It is this same superstitious insanity that motivates some young ladies to take pictures of men to some religious jamboree they call 'Shiloh' with the aim to 'spiritually' manipulate them into marriage.
Money ritual starts from the mind. Anyone who really believes it works is a potential ritualist and a danger to the society, because the first step to murdering people and using their body parts for rituals is to believe it works.
There is an urgent need to dispel this dangerous myth. It is a hoax that has taken the lives of innocent people.
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|Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by CAPSLOCKED: 6:51am On Dec 10, 2018|
My dad keeps telling me he prays for me every day that I’ll come back to God. I just can’t see that happening. I’ve been thinking a lot lately about my change in perspective. Now that my mind has been opened it not only changes how I see things but also allows me to discover new things. I recall a story of two boys looking through a hole in a fence. All that could be seen was bright yellow metal. So one boy stood on the shoulders of the other and could peer over the top of the fence. From that view, he could see the parked bulldozer up against the fence and the entire construction site bustling with activity. I don’t think it’s possible to ignore the things I’ve learned. My journey now is creating a better world in this life. So glad I released the burden of religion. There's no turning back, how could I?
- Brian James
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