MuttleyLaff:
Your sneaky distortion and devious separating of my moniker this way, denies me receiving notifications of your post

God has many hats He wears. He takes on the personality that goes with the hat He has on at whatever time is in question.
God doesnt change like humans do change. There is nothing wrong or abnormal with God showing emotion. Are you subscribing a robotic personality for God? To what end or purpose do you want God to be unemotional MhizAngel99? Hmm, you are up to no good with such a line of thinking like that

Why dont you go back to re-read what I wrote.

What I, in effect wrote was, it is not true that God is subject to logic all the time. It isnt because God chooses when to or chooses when not to be subjected to logic, this doesnt make God any lesser or greater.

It did and to some degree, more than answered the question.

Who else, other than Him, predetermined those choices MhizAngel99 ask you?
Do you at all understand the implication and/or meaning of I AM, I AM?
Do you at all know and appreciate that God knows the end from the beginning?
Do you at all recognise that God is a Programmer?
It's down to you not having knowledge of God, sheer basics and elementary as these, that's why you ask all these inexperienced questions you throw out and about.

SMH, I knew this table you shook was, going to be a mollycoddle labour of love "cutting up into small pieces" feed with a spoon nanny work.
What do you think darkness is MhizAngel99? Need I go on? Need I say more?

MhizAngel99 please, you're out of your depth, just quit already whilst there is still an exit-door, for, you are digging yourself further in the dug hole you tripped in

Please dont be a glutton for punishment, think self preservation and reel yourself in.
Run! Run along, run away whilst you still have strong legs to carry you

lightblazingnow:



Did you ask your mind if you actually possess the right senses for the statement to make sense to you. Because there are different types of level of senses, yours could have fallen to animal instincts.


Indeed to be a Fool is a curse. Weeping for you folks

MhizAngel99:


I don't know, but u should be scared dat ur IQ is apparently lower than ur shoe size.

MhizAngel99:
1. If God is the creator of time, then he exists outside time. He cannot be subject to it. God showing emotion goes against the fact that he is the creator of time. A creator God is indeed robotic and emotionless just as you described. He never changes. Literally. If you fail to understand this, I don't see how I can help you here but let you drown in ur ignorance

2. My point here is that if God is subject to logic, then he can't have created it. Hence, he's not the first cause

3. And yet again you completely dodge the point here. If God is the beginning and the end, then he cannot also have free will. His thoughts and actions are already planned. There's nothing like free will with him.

4. You can't just define evil as the absence of good. If evil can exist in a world of a creator god? What does it tell you about said God?

5. Lol. Please go and Google the definition of God online. You're using analogies that are completely off the rails. Can Money be omniscient? If so, you can call it a God. Allah, Zeus. Those are Gods. Stop grasping at straws.

6. You've basically admitted here that your God is malevolent. Why does God actively hide himself from mankind? Why risk war when have the power to let everyone know the truth? An omni benevolent God cannot play tricks. And you're citing examples from the Bible. A book that was written, then re-written, then re-written yet again, with tons of books lost along the way and thousands of contradictions in the scripture. Yeah sure. I believe you now.

7. You've still not explained where natural disasters come from. Who created tsunamis? Was it God? Or not?

8. Let me give you a scenario. If you saw a girl drowning, and for some reason, you are helpless, would you pray for A. God to magically sustain her organs so that she doesn't die or B. Pray that someone comes along to help her? You'll most likely pray 4 B because even U don't believe in the power of prayer

Your desperation at twisting the subject matter and avoiding the key arguments is really hilarious lol. LordReed gave me the impression you were a massive troll so am not surprised.

MhizAngel99:
@MuttleyLaff The reason i wasnt mentioning u was because my phone lags when i reply to extremely lengthy posts. Don't think 4 one second that id be trying to avoid a bloated simpleton like u. All mouth and nothing but hot dense air in ur skull. I love debating clueless zombies like you who run away from sense

jesusjnr:
What really happened to you? You were sounding like a sane human being, and all of a sudden, you started speaking as if a demon had taken over your vocal cord, and you started sounding as the queen of the coast. Or are you the one?

MuttleyLaff:

What a load of rubbish
Put radioactive waste trash where it belongs
Pull the other leg, @Muttey Laff & @MuttleyLaff
Some lie like a cheap Persian rug sha.
Aah! Phone lags indeed.

MhizAngel99:
Do urself a favor and jump into that trash as well. Fancy going back to edit ur comments to sound smart like the uncreative bush rat you are

MuttleyLaff:
E pain am.
I can but you first, so I can slam the lid shut on you.
Olodo rapata upon twenty. He's about crying.

PS:You've reverted back to typing @Muttley Laff instead of @MuttleyLaff abi. I know, its phone lag things. Kikikiki ki.

MhizAngel99:
I see u no longer have anything to contribute to the topic nd u want to start a verbal fight.
Btw Lol @ ur cringey jokes.

MhizAngel99:

There is NO sense in what you just said.

MuttleyLaff:
I dont neccesarily run from a fight and I can give as much as I take
and there is you just up there editing your post with more addition yet you have the demerity to accuse another person of what you enjoy doing

The below is what you original posted before the now updated version Mr/Mrs "going back to edit ur comments to sound smart like the uncreative bush rat you are"

"@Muttley Laff An uncaused God is more complicated than an uncaused Big Bang. When it comes to comparing arguments where there is no hope of actually getting any physical evidence, there is a long-standing heuristic to help distinguish between theories, called Occam's Razor: it turns out that when all evidence is accounted for, the theory with fewest assumptions is more likely to be true. God requires many properties and complexities such as consciousness, thought, personality, creative drive, love, an internal logic ordering its thoughts so that it can think coherently and rationally, memory, etc: All of these properties must have been derived from somewhere. It turns out that God is a vastly more complicated thing than the Big Bang and the fundamental laws of the Universe"

Happy 2019 to you by the way. This is my last post on this thread. My sword is sheathed

Michellekabod:
fine and you

jesusjnr:
But do you know who she is because I've been looking for her for a long time, but she seems to hiding from me, so when I saw the characteristics of your later speech I started to sense that she had finally granted my wish, and that she was the one actually speaking

MhizAngel99:


I still have no clue what you're talking about. Is no one interested in the topic again?

jesusjnr:
It's okay you've unwittingly exposed your ignorance on spiritual matters.

But it's OK to remain at your level for this matter far exceeds your physical scope.

MhizAngel99:
@jesusjnr Well, in the absence of nothing, which as i've realized is something you and MuttleyLaff are mentally capable of , consider this:

If God is good in nature and its message is true, and the message of god is important for us, then it holds to reason that a good god would want human beings to know that message. God in its omnipotence can immediately impart the correct knowledge directly into our consciousness. I am sure it also has the know-how to do it in a non-harmful way given that it designed our brains down to the functioning of millions of neuronal connections and neurotransmitters, etc.

Put another way: It must be true that we all already know the most-important things that God wants us to know. Whatever various religions, prophets, seekers, mystics and holy spokespeople say is not exactly what God wants us to know. There is no reason for a good god, which wants the truth to be known, to convey important messages to individual human beings, in specific human languages, and allow us to spread the message using our own imperfect communication methods. As soon as people start translating it, explaining it to each other and writing it down then the message becomes reliant upon cultural understanding. It will dilute, get misunderstood, and it is sure that different communities will come to interpret the message differently, leading to schism and confusion, and as history has shown, to violence and bloodshed. Therefore, God's important messages are universal, imparted directly into all of our hearts and minds, and are therefore not made subject to human communications errors. If goodness comes from god, then given their historical mistakes, their culture-specific language, moral shortcomings and the social strife that results from their existence, holy books cannot possibly be from God.

The whole idea of cultivating the True Religion via the orally-transmitted stories of itinerant and illiterate preachers such as Jesus and Mohammad, in (often obscure) human languages, is nonsensical. If God wants someone to know the facts about a particular religion, then it would automatically make that person know. What God wants, it can do, because God is all-powerful. If God is also perfectly good, then if it is right for someone to know something then God will let them know it. If it is right to know something, then, a good God is compelled to let people know it directly. Evangelism therefore is pointless. It is senseless for religious adherents to go around telling people about their religious views if they believe in an all-powerful or perfectly good God. An all- powerful good god will want (and can!) give anyone any knowledge it is good for them to have. It is not the job of religious adherents to run around trying to pretend to know what God wants people to know!

The reasons for evangelism are probably more selfish than theological; to do with (1) personal ego, (2) public image and (3) Earthly influence. They think that if they evangelize they will (4) get themselves into heaven and (5) increase their own sense of self-worth (deluded psychology). But it is obvious that evangelists are going against God's will, if God has a will. If God wanted someone to know something, and it was right for them to know it, God would tell that person directly. There is no point in doing it any other way. The only reason people need to tell each other things about religion is if it is things that God doesn't think it is best for them to know. This absurd state of affairs means that evangelists are least godly, trusting least in the abilities of God to tell people what they need to know!

The fact that God appears not to have given us, as a species, any information about transcendent reality is a big hint that God does not mind what our beliefs are. Based on the evidence, it appears that the correct way, god's way, to discover the truth is to look at the evidence, judge things for ourselves, and to use our brains. In other words, science and skeptical philosophizing appear to be the precise way in which God wants us to learn. We know this from the lack of important-truths which are conveyed to us directly by God.

MhizAngel99:
@MutleyLaff And good riddance to u. Don't let ur overwhelming stupidity trip u on ur way out. I wish u a happy 2019 where hopefully you learn how not to argue off point.

MhizAngel99:


Lol.

If i recall, you're not the one that's been debating me. You've been dodging facts just like MuttleyLaff. Besides, i can't even take u seriously after u had to effontery to claim that Gravity can be detected by the 5 senses. Hence your opinion on this topic is automatically eschewed.

All MuttleyLaff has done is dance around my questions without addressing them directly, instead using subtle ad hominem to discredit my points. Then he resorted to a full on verbal confrontation. I still haven't encountered any empirical evidence for God's existence from either you or MuttleyLaff unless you are willing to shock me and say something intelligent

budaatum:
I don't think MhizAngel99 claimed she wrote that piece, considering her "consider this" at the beginning, the bad formatting, and being new here not knowing how unaccredited copy and pastes don't go down well, muttley.

Does the new you think that's worth the tirade, or una don de fight before?

budaatum:
Oh, I see! You got lectured, muttley. That should teach you!

MuttleyLaff:
Let me whisper it to you, dont let the walls hear. That's no spring chicken, that is LordReed masquerading with his alter ego MhizAngel99

Won sope, ilu baje, ilu baje, ilu ti baje, why wouldnt be country be bad, spoiled and corrupt, when we have good people making excuses for bad behaviour. SMH.

What you up to? Are you trying to kee me wif laff? C'mon now, ariwo ko ni music now. The fundamentals, the simplest elements & basics, nada, he isnt aware of them
What you called lecture, is confirmed "agbari ofo", meaning it's noise, nonsense and ingredients.
He didnt teach, rather I did him. He got a handful of education and sign-postings from me.

It actually is the other way round, he was thrashed like the village market square thief he is, for getting caught red handed with his hand stuck in the cookie jar

LordReed:
Mwahahahahaha! When you fairytale believers get trounced you default to conspiracy theories and cooked up stories.
Face your thrashing at the hands of MhizAngel99 and don't pull me in. LMFAO!

MuttleyLaff:

MuttleyLaff:
Let me whisper it to you, dont let the walls hear. That's no spring chicken, that is LordReed masquerading with his alter ego MhizAngel99

budaatum:
Do you know there's some idiot claiming my Lord is buda too?

budaatum:
I don't believe this! Evidence please!

MuttleyLaff:
Yeah, I saw it, and think it was on the "You Become An Atheist Due To Limited Knowledge" thread

"Amo ara wa, ti a ba rira wa"
loosely translated means "we recognise each other when we bump into each other"

I am not giving away trade secrets and insider knowledge, so not saying or giving out more than that

budaatum:
Well, you know I'm not the sort to just take one's word for it.

No evidence, you might as well be talking through your ass, as far as buda is concerned.