No, studies have shown its actually increasing while atheism is on the decline.

LordReed:


Religion has had 1000s of years to lead us to any sort of utopia but it has failed. I have no hope the next 1000s of years will bring any utopia by religion. If a utopia is reached it will be through the effort of men and science.

lol brother have you voted the Church or any religious body to power to see their outcome? look at Arabian countries ruled by their religion, they are best progressive than secular countries.

TheRevivalist:



lol brother have you voted the Church or any religious body to power to see their outcome? look at Arabian countries ruled by their religion, they are best progressive than secular countries.

LoL you don't know the meaning of the word progressive. You think spending resources is progressive? Go look into a proper dictionary and understand what you are trying to say so that you can make sense.

rekinomtla:
No, studies have shown its actually increasing while atheism is on the decline.

Please I'll like to see these studies.

LordReed:


Please I'll like to see these studies.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/07/why-people-with-no-religion-are-projected-to-decline-as-a-share-of-the-worlds-population/%3famp=1

rekinomtla:


https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/07/why-people-with-no-religion-are-projected-to-decline-as-a-share-of-the-worlds-population/%3famp=1

So even though their projected number goes up you still frame it as a decline?

LordReed:


So even though their projected number goes up you still frame it as a decline?

When compared to world population yes.

lovelygurl:
We as curious beings tend to be on a search for an "interpretative pattern" that gives our lives a meaning, making faith somehow a natural trait human beings possess.

Faith according to Wikipedia:
faith
/feɪθ/Submit
noun
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

2.
strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

Faith can be influenced and reinforced by your enviroment, which includes your family, teachers, friends etc. To put in a nutshell, everyone you're surrounded by.

However, we live in the 21st century and science, which has come a very long way is now capable of explaining some things that had before been unexplainable, resulting to God's contours/outlines getting increasingly blurred.

The more science is able to explain, the more people lose their faith and the more become atheists.
This doesn't change the fact that there is still a lot science in unable to explain. Science in most cases is only capable of describing things rather than [b]explaining [/b]them.

Sometimes we find ourselves in a hopeless situation, where science or technology is unable to save or help us, for example when someone gets diagnosed with a deadly disease or someone dear to us in a coma state or a persistent vegetative state or even if that person happens to be US.

It is during times like this we tend to hold on to sth or someone like God (or as atheists will say say, a "sky daddy" ), who might still be able to save the day by miraculously healing the person.

Although, most people are guilty of these (including some atheists, who ask for a pastor on their deathbed), situations like this are very common in developing countries, where most times all people have is "hope".

The more developed a country is, the more its citizenns tend to see God as someone people needed in the past to explain the unexplainable, a person who is however becoming less relevant in a world where science and logic is now used to explain the world.

But how less relevant can he become?

Because despite all of these, there is still a large number of people in developed countries, who still confess to some sort of spiritual belief, such as a life-force or divine spirit that pervades nature and humanity leading to the questions:

1) Are you of the opinion that there'll be a time where reliigion becomes history?

2) Don't you think it is human nature to try to explain the complexity and unpredictability of the world by believing in sth. spiritual etc. ( even when there is none)?

What Faith is and what Faith isn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4PSgFjtvI

Who God is and who God isn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zMf_8hkCdc

Faith and Reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcH_5Iecu5s

rekinomtla:


When compared to world population yes.

Dude the world population is projected to increase. A decline of percentage only represents a slow growth compared to the overall population. You live in a 2 bedroom house and are being disturbed by 2 rats. You now move to a 6 bedroom house but find you are disturbed by 3 rats so to you your rat problem has declined?

LordReed:


Dude the world population is projected to increase. A decline of percentage only represents a slow growth compared to the overall population. You live in a 2 bedroom house and are being disturbed by 2 rats. You now move to a 6 bedroom house but find you are disturbed by 3 rats so to you your rat problem has declined?

I'm just agreeing with the findings of the [url=https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/07/why-people-with-no-religion-are-projected-to-decline-as-a-share-of-the-worlds-population/%3famp=1] study[/url] see the link ("Why people with no religion are projected to decline as a share of the world’s population"

LordReed:


The person who believes imaginary creatures are real is calling other people grounded in reality stupid, how very rich.

Stupidity is when you're saying something with all seriousness but at the same time going contrary towards what you're advocating!
Atheism is all about discouraging people from listening or holding fast to ideas from someone else,so whether on religious ground or not what your faculty is saying is nobody should control your thinking. OK what are atheists now coming on social media with all forms of argument to do,is it not the same as TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO THINK?
If Atheism should be taken seriously as some form of REALITY,it should remain a PERSONAL thing so it's ONLY when someone approach you with their religious doctrines then you can use such opportunity to prove that religion makes no sense. But coming on Social media and trying to insult people in other to provoke an argument is the same as PREACHING what you believe to others as in telling them this is {how you should be THINKING}

rekinomtla:


I'm just agreeing with the findings of the [url=https://www.google.com/amp/www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/07/why-people-with-no-religion-are-projected-to-decline-as-a-share-of-the-worlds-population/%3famp=1] study[/url] see the link ("Why people with no religion are projected to decline as a share of the world’s population"

You are framing it as a decline which is different from a decline in percentage of overall.

TATIME:
Stupidity is when you're saying something with all seriousness but at the same time going contrary towards what you're advocating!
Atheism is all about discouraging people from listening or holding fast to ideas from someone else,so whether on religious ground or not what your faculty is saying is nobody should control your thinking. OK what are atheists now coming on social media with all forms of argument to do,is it not the same as TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO THINK?
If Atheism should be taken seriously as some form of REALITY,it should remain a PERSONAL thing so it's ONLY when someone approach you with their religious doctrines then you can use such opportunity to prove that religion makes no sense. But coming on Social media and trying to insult people in other to provoke an argument is the same as PREACHING what you believe to others as in telling them this is {how you should be THINKING}

Gigantic strawman. No atheist here or anywhere else has said do not listen to anyone else. NO atheist will ever be against the sharing of ideas. What I will stand against and what many atheist I suspect will be against is bad, terrible ideas which are not grounded in reality.

It may become more marginalized than it is today, but as long as people cannot accept the concept of no (better) life after death, it will remain in one form or another. Raising the standard of living world-wide would help hasten the demise of religion because when your life is pure shit, the dream of utopia when you die is all the keeps some going.

lovelygurl:
We as curious beings tend to be on a search for an "interpretative pattern" that gives our lives a meaning, making faith somehow a natural trait human beings possess.

Faith according to Wikipedia:
faith
/feɪθ/Submit
noun
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

2.
strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.

Faith can be influenced and reinforced by your enviroment, which includes your family, teachers, friends etc. To put in a nutshell, everyone you're surrounded by.

However, we live in the 21st century and science, which has come a very long way is now capable of explaining some things that had before been unexplainable, resulting to God's contours/outlines getting increasingly blurred.

The more science is able to explain, the more people lose their faith and the more become atheists.
This doesn't change the fact that there is still a lot science in unable to explain. Science in most cases is only capable of describing things rather than [b]explaining [/b]them.

Sometimes we find ourselves in a hopeless situation, where science or technology is unable to save or help us, for example when someone gets diagnosed with a deadly disease or someone dear to us in a coma state or a persistent vegetative state or even if that person happens to be US.

It is during times like this we tend to hold on to sth or someone like God (or as atheists will say say, a "sky daddy" ), who might still be able to save the day by miraculously healing the person.

Although, most people are guilty of these (including some atheists, who ask for a pastor on their deathbed), situations like this are very common in developing countries, where most times all people have is "hope".

The more developed a country is, the more its citizenns tend to see God as someone people needed in the past to explain the unexplainable, a person who is however becoming less relevant in a world where science and logic is now used to explain the world.

But how less relevant can he become?

Because despite all of these, there is still a large number of people in developed countries, who still confess to some sort of spiritual belief, such as a life-force or divine spirit that pervades nature and humanity leading to the questions:

1) Are you of the opinion that there'll be a time where reliigion becomes history?

2) Don't you think it is human nature to try to explain the complexity and unpredictability of the world by believing in sth. spiritual etc. ( even when there is none)?



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I don't think religion will ever stop to be a part of society, the main thing is hope and for alot of people a world without hope just isn't comprehensible.

JujuSugar:
It may become more marginalized than it is today, but as long as people cannot accept the concept of no (better) life after death, it will remain in one form or another.

There's this thing about elephants and people describing it by the bits they can feel, know it, sugar, that's what you done there.

Is that the only reason people chose to be religious, because they "cannot accept the concept of no (better) life after death"?

JujuSugar:
Raising the standard of living world-wide would help hasten the demise of religion because when your life is pure shit, the dream of utopia when you die is all the keeps some going.

Religion is "dreaming of utopia"? Which religion!?

budaatum:

There's this thing about elephants and people describing it by the bits they can feel, know it, sugar, that's what you done there.

Is that the only reason people chose to be religious, because they "cannot accept the concept of no (better) life after death"?

There may be others, sir. But it is a major reason.

budaatum:

Religion is "dreaming of utopia"? Which religion!?

Religion promises a lot of things:
Afterlife.....
Justice to sinners and wrong doers....
Eternal bliss and joy with YHWH in a dimension called Heaven......
The 72 virgin stuff with the Muslims......

People dont want to pulled away from their fantasies, sir. They've waved goodbye to reality and chosen to believe in things they have no way of proving objectively just because it suits their wishes and dreams and answers every question they have. And they're making the most of this new life. Religion, in this context, is utopia to me. At least that's how I see it.

OpenYourEyes1:

There is no such thing as Homosapien.

I just saw this....
[img]https://media./images/75564c9a29be2b3398f0ce67911d1840/tenor.gif[/img]

JujuSugar:

At least that's how I see it.

Fair enough. I for one hear more people praying for their needs in this life is all, and not worrying so much about their dead bodies.

How's about seeing religions as giving one hope in this very life and showing one how to attain what's hoped for? Or does it not do that?

budaatum:

Fair enough. I for one hear more people praying for their needs in this life is all, and not worrying so much about their dead bodies.

How's about seeing religions as giving one hope in this very life and showing one how to attain what's hoped for? Or does it not do that?

Its very easy to believe in a god when your life is in shambles. Religion surely has its benefits. If it didn't have any, it probably wouldn't exist.

JujuSugar:

Its very easy to believe in a god when your life is in shambles. Religion surely has its benefits. If it didn't have any, it probably wouldn't exist.

So, people run to God when they're fuqed? Jesus said so too, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

If it didn't work, it would be dead already.

budaatum:

So, people run to God when they're fuqed? Jesus said so too, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

If it didn't work, it would be dead already.

Isn't that the beauty of religion, sir?

JujuSugar:

Isn't that the beauty of religion, sir?

That religion is for the fuqed? I guess so. Might explain why so many unfuqed people are signing up becoming angels and helping the fuqed.

budaatum:

That religion is for the fuqed? I guess so. Might explain why so many unfuqed people are signing up becoming angels and helping the fuqed.

You don't need to be fuqed to subscribe to any religion, sir. Mere lack of understanding of how science works or the inability to explain certain mysteries is enough.

JujuSugar:

You don't need to be fuqed to subscribe to any religion, sir. Mere lack of understanding of how science works or the inability to explain certain mysteries is enough.

So, scientists cannot be religious? Religion is for the ignorant?

budaatum:

So, scientists cannot be religious? Religion is for the ignorant?

Scientists being religious is not an anomaly, sir. Monotheistic religions (e.g. Christianity) and science are obviously non-contradictory, and actually have a lot of synergistic features.
A major proposal of every religion is that whatever created the world created it with an order....
An inquiry into that order is prescribed by either scripture or scholarship. Infact sir, scientific scholarship has, historically, overlapped enormously with religious scholarship, monotheistic religions have been the prime institutions driving education and, in particular, literacy throughout history..... After all, it's hard to have a small army of scripture-interpreters without having them read the scriptures and write about them.

JujuSugar:

Scientists being religious is not an anomaly, sir. Monotheistic religions (e.g. Christianity) and science are obviously non-contradictory, and actually have a lot of synergistic features.
A major proposal of every religion is that whatever created the world created it with an order....
An inquiry into that order is prescribed by either scripture or scholarship. Infact sir, scientific scholarship has, historically, overlapped enormously with religious scholarship, monotheistic religions have been the prime institutions driving education and, in particular, literacy throughout history..... After all, it's hard to have a small army of scripture-interpreters without having them read the scriptures and write about them.

And teach those scripture to those who can't read scripture and hence religion?

budaatum:

And teach those scripture to those who can't read scripture and hence religion?

Perhaps....
Another thing to consider sir, is that a lot of these religious scientists understand their religion as a metaphorical system of values by which they live by. Its just a yardstick in my opinion. I don't believe they take their holy books as literal facts....

JujuSugar:

Perhaps....
Another thing to consider sir, is that a lot of these religious scientists understand their religion as a metaphorical system of values by which they live by. Its just a yardstick in my opinion. I don't believe they take their holy books as literal facts....

No, I don't think smart people take their holy books literal. If they did and Alice Through the Looking Glass was a religious text, they'd be down a hole!

Religious scientists might likely understand metaphorically. God said, "let there be light" and there was a big bang, sort of metaphorical, after all, Newton did a metaphor and transmuted base metals into gold!

I wonder what the relationship between seeing religion metaphorically and seeing it spiritually, is?

budaatum:

No, I don't think smart people take their holy books literal. If they did and Alice Through the Looking Glass was a religious text, they'd be down a hole!

Religious scientists might likely understand metaphorically. God said, "let there be light" and there was a big bang, sort of metaphorical, after all, Newton did a metaphor and transmuted base metals into gold!

I wonder what the relationship between seeing religion metaphorically and seeing it spiritually, is?

Do you think there's a relationship?

LordReed:


You are framing it as a decline which is different from a decline in percentage of overall.

I already clarified what I meant by declining. But we can even say the population growth of atheism will be in the negative if we take the buddhists as atheists.

LordReed:


Gigantic strawman. No atheist here or anywhere else has said do not listen to anyone else. NO atheist will ever be against the sharing of ideas. What I will stand against and what many atheist I suspect will be against is bad, terrible ideas which are not grounded in reality.

And you've forgotten that each person has the right to decide that,NOT someone else making such decision for them!
Reality or not each person has the sole right to CHOOSE how they will think and live their lives,whoever thinks some ideas are BAD or TERRIBLE shouldn't force his/her resolve on others!
Mind controlling begins with "trying to navigate the thoughts in the minds of another supposed intelligent creature"
So atheists should wait for those trying to suggest how others should think and teach them as in use such opportunity to educate them. Moreover i've noticed a lot of posts from atheists saying things that's not REAL for example saying they "ASTRA TRAVELLED" into the past about 40 billion years ago! Yet this same people are claiming what others assert is not REAL.