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Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by rekinomtla(m): 3:55pm On Feb 12
No, studies have shown its actually increasing while atheism is on the decline.
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by TheRevivalist(m): 5:41pm On Feb 12
LordReed:


Religion has had 1000s of years to lead us to any sort of utopia but it has failed. I have no hope the next 1000s of years will bring any utopia by religion. If a utopia is reached it will be through the effort of men and science.


lol brother have you voted the Church or any religious body to power to see their outcome? look at Arabian countries ruled by their religion, they are best progressive than secular countries.
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by LordReed(m): 6:03pm On Feb 12
TheRevivalist:



lol brother have you voted the Church or any religious body to power to see their outcome? look at Arabian countries ruled by their religion, they are best progressive than secular countries.

LoL you don't know the meaning of the word progressive. You think spending resources is progressive? Go look into a proper dictionary and understand what you are trying to say so that you can make sense.
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by LordReed(m): 6:04pm On Feb 12
rekinomtla:
No, studies have shown its actually increasing while atheism is on the decline.

Please I'll like to see these studies.
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by rekinomtla(m): 8:08pm On Feb 12

Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by LordReed(m): 8:17pm On Feb 12
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by rekinomtla(m): 8:22pm On Feb 12
LordReed:


So even though their projected number goes up you still frame it as a decline?

When compared to world population yes.
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by 9inches(m): 8:28pm On Feb 12
lovelygurl:
We as curious beings tend to be on a search for an "interpretative pattern" that gives our lives a meaning, making faith somehow a natural trait human beings possess.

Faith according to Wikipedia:
faith
/feɪθ/Submit
noun
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

2.
strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.


Faith can be influenced and reinforced by your enviroment, which includes your family, teachers, friends etc. To put in a nutshell, everyone you're surrounded by.

However, we live in the 21st century and science, which has come a very long way is now capable of explaining some things that had before been unexplainable, resulting to God's contours/outlines getting increasingly blurred.

The more science is able to explain, the more people lose their faith and the more become atheists.
This doesn't change the fact that there is still a lot science in unable to explain. Science in most cases is only capable of describing things rather than [b]explaining [/b]them.

Sometimes we find ourselves in a hopeless situation, where science or technology is unable to save or help us, for example when someone gets diagnosed with a deadly disease or someone dear to us in a coma state or a persistent vegetative state or even if that person happens to be US.

It is during times like this we tend to hold on to sth or someone like God (or as atheists will say say, a "sky daddy" ), who might still be able to save the day by miraculously healing the person.

Although, most people are guilty of these (including some atheists, who ask for a pastor on their deathbed), situations like this are very common in developing countries, where most times all people have is "hope".

The more developed a country is, the more its citizenns tend to see God as someone people needed in the past to explain the unexplainable, a person who is however becoming less relevant in a world where science and logic is now used to explain the world.

But how less relevant can he become?

Because despite all of these, there is still a large number of people in developed countries, who still confess to some sort of spiritual belief, such as a life-force or divine spirit that pervades nature and humanity leading to the questions:

1) Are you of the opinion that there'll be a time where reliigion becomes history?

2) Don't you think it is human nature to try to explain the complexity and unpredictability of the world by believing in sth. spiritual etc. ( even when there is none)?

What Faith is and what Faith isn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_4PSgFjtvI

Who God is and who God isn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zMf_8hkCdc

Faith and Reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcH_5Iecu5s
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by LordReed(m): 8:31pm On Feb 12
rekinomtla:


When compared to world population yes.

Dude the world population is projected to increase. A decline of percentage only represents a slow growth compared to the overall population. You live in a 2 bedroom house and are being disturbed by 2 rats. You now move to a 6 bedroom house but find you are disturbed by 3 rats so to you your rat problem has declined?
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by rekinomtla(m): 8:42pm On Feb 12
LordReed:


Dude the world population is projected to increase. A decline of percentage only represents a slow growth compared to the overall population. You live in a 2 bedroom house and are being disturbed by 2 rats. You now move to a 6 bedroom house but find you are disturbed by 3 rats so to you your rat problem has declined?

I'm just agreeing with the findings of the study see the link ("Why people with no religion are projected to decline as a share of the world’s population"wink

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Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by TATIME: 9:28pm On Feb 12
LordReed:


The person who believes imaginary creatures are real is calling other people grounded in reality stupid, how very rich.
Stupidity is when you're saying something with all seriousness but at the same time going contrary towards what you're advocating!
Atheism is all about discouraging people from listening or holding fast to ideas from someone else,so whether on religious ground or not what your faculty is saying is nobody should control your thinking. OK what are atheists now coming on social media with all forms of argument to do,is it not the same as TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO THINK? undecided undecided undecided
If Atheism should be taken seriously as some form of REALITY,it should remain a PERSONAL thing so it's ONLY when someone approach you with their religious doctrines then you can use such opportunity to prove that religion makes no sense. But coming on Social media and trying to insult people in other to provoke an argument is the same as PREACHING what you believe to others as in telling them this is {how you should be THINKING}embarassed embarassed embarassed
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by LordReed(m): 10:43pm On Feb 12
rekinomtla:


I'm just agreeing with the findings of the study see the link ("Why people with no religion are projected to decline as a share of the world’s population"wink

You are framing it as a decline which is different from a decline in percentage of overall.
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by LordReed(m): 10:47pm On Feb 12
TATIME:
Stupidity is when you're saying something with all seriousness but at the same time going contrary towards what you're advocating!
Atheism is all about discouraging people from listening or holding fast to ideas from someone else,so whether on religious ground or not what your faculty is saying is nobody should control your thinking. OK what are atheists now coming on social media with all forms of argument to do,is it not the same as TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO THINK? undecided undecided undecided
If Atheism should be taken seriously as some form of REALITY,it should remain a PERSONAL thing so it's ONLY when someone approach you with their religious doctrines then you can use such opportunity to prove that religion makes no sense. But coming on Social media and trying to insult people in other to provoke an argument is the same as PREACHING what you believe to others as in telling them this is {how you should be THINKING}embarassed embarassed embarassed

Gigantic strawman. No atheist here or anywhere else has said do not listen to anyone else. NO atheist will ever be against the sharing of ideas. What I will stand against and what many atheist I suspect will be against is bad, terrible ideas which are not grounded in reality.

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Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by JujuSugar(f): 12:03am On Feb 13
It may become more marginalized than it is today, but as long as people cannot accept the concept of no (better) life after death, it will remain in one form or another. Raising the standard of living world-wide would help hasten the demise of religion because when your life is pure poo, the dream of utopia when you die is all the keeps some going.
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by XxSabrinaxX(f): 12:07am On Feb 13
lovelygurl:
We as curious beings tend to be on a search for an "interpretative pattern" that gives our lives a meaning, making faith somehow a natural trait human beings possess.

Faith according to Wikipedia:
faith
/feɪθ/Submit
noun
1.
complete trust or confidence in someone or something.

2.
strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.


Faith can be influenced and reinforced by your enviroment, which includes your family, teachers, friends etc. To put in a nutshell, everyone you're surrounded by.

However, we live in the 21st century and science, which has come a very long way is now capable of explaining some things that had before been unexplainable, resulting to God's contours/outlines getting increasingly blurred.

The more science is able to explain, the more people lose their faith and the more become atheists.
This doesn't change the fact that there is still a lot science in unable to explain. Science in most cases is only capable of describing things rather than [b]explaining [/b]them.

Sometimes we find ourselves in a hopeless situation, where science or technology is unable to save or help us, for example when someone gets diagnosed with a deadly disease or someone dear to us in a coma state or a persistent vegetative state or even if that person happens to be US.

It is during times like this we tend to hold on to sth or someone like God (or as atheists will say say, a "sky daddy" ), who might still be able to save the day by miraculously healing the person.

Although, most people are guilty of these (including some atheists, who ask for a pastor on their deathbed), situations like this are very common in developing countries, where most times all people have is "hope".

The more developed a country is, the more its citizenns tend to see God as someone people needed in the past to explain the unexplainable, a person who is however becoming less relevant in a world where science and logic is now used to explain the world.

But how less relevant can he become?

Because despite all of these, there is still a large number of people in developed countries, who still confess to some sort of spiritual belief, such as a life-force or divine spirit that pervades nature and humanity leading to the questions:

1) Are you of the opinion that there'll be a time where reliigion becomes history?

2) Don't you think it is human nature to try to explain the complexity and unpredictability of the world by believing in sth. spiritual etc. ( even when there is none)?



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I don't think religion will ever stop to be a part of society, the main thing is hope and for alot of people a world without hope just isn't comprehensible.

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Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 12:17am On Feb 13
JujuSugar:
It may become more marginalized than it is today, but as long as people cannot accept the concept of no (better) life after death, it will remain in one form or another.
There's this thing about elephants and people describing it by the bits they can feel, know it, sugar, that's what you done there.

Is that the only reason people chose to be religious, because they "cannot accept the concept of no (better) life after death"?

JujuSugar:
Raising the standard of living world-wide would help hasten the demise of religion because when your life is pure poo, the dream of utopia when you die is all the keeps some going.
Religion is "dreaming of utopia"? Which religion!?
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by JujuSugar(f): 12:31am On Feb 13
budaatum:

There's this thing about elephants and people describing it by the bits they can feel, know it, sugar, that's what you done there.

Is that the only reason people chose to be religious, because they "cannot accept the concept of no (better) life after death"?
There may be others, sir. But it is a major reason.

budaatum:

Religion is "dreaming of utopia"? Which religion!?
Religion promises a lot of things:
Afterlife.....
Justice to sinners and wrong doers....
Eternal bliss and joy with YHWH in a dimension called Heaven......
The 72 virgin stuff with the Muslims......

People dont want to pulled away from their fantasies, sir. They've waved goodbye to reality and chosen to believe in things they have no way of proving objectively just because it suits their wishes and dreams and answers every question they have. And they're making the most of this new life. Religion, in this context, is utopia to me. At least that's how I see it.

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Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by JujuSugar(f): 12:39am On Feb 13
OpenYourEyes1:

There is no such thing as Homosapien.
I just saw this....
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 12:47am On Feb 13
JujuSugar:

At least that's how I see it.
Fair enough. I for one hear more people praying for their needs in this life is all, and not worrying so much about their dead bodies.

How's about seeing religions as giving one hope in this very life and showing one how to attain what's hoped for? Or does it not do that?
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by JujuSugar(f): 12:57am On Feb 13
budaatum:

Fair enough. I for one hear more people praying for their needs in this life is all, and not worrying so much about their dead bodies.

How's about seeing religions as giving one hope in this very life and showing one how to attain what's hoped for? Or does it not do that?
Its very easy to believe in a god when your life is in shambles. Religion surely has its benefits. If it didn't have any, it probably wouldn't exist.
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:04am On Feb 13
JujuSugar:

Its very easy to believe in a god when your life is in shambles. Religion surely has its benefits. If it didn't have any, it probably wouldn't exist.
So, people run to God when they're fuqed? Jesus said so too, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

If it didn't work, it would be dead already.
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by JujuSugar(f): 1:09am On Feb 13
budaatum:

So, people run to God when they're fuqed? Jesus said so too, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

If it didn't work, it would be dead already.
Isn't that the beauty of religion, sir?

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Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:16am On Feb 13
JujuSugar:

Isn't that the beauty of religion, sir?
That religion is for the fuqed? I guess so. Might explain why so many unfuqed people are signing up becoming angels and helping the fuqed.
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by JujuSugar(f): 1:21am On Feb 13
budaatum:

That religion is for the fuqed? I guess so. Might explain why so many unfuqed people are signing up becoming angels and helping the fuqed.
You don't need to be fuqed to subscribe to any religion, sir. Mere lack of understanding of how science works or the inability to explain certain mysteries is enough.

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Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:23am On Feb 13
JujuSugar:

You don't need to be fuqed to subscribe to any religion, sir. Mere lack of understanding of how science works or the inability to explain certain mysteries is enough.
So, scientists cannot be religious? Religion is for the ignorant?
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by JujuSugar(f): 1:31am On Feb 13
budaatum:

So, scientists cannot be religious? Religion is for the ignorant?
Scientists being religious is not an anomaly, sir. Monotheistic religions (e.g. Christianity) and science are obviously non-contradictory, and actually have a lot of synergistic features.
A major proposal of every religion is that whatever created the world created it with an order....
An inquiry into that order is prescribed by either scripture or scholarship. Infact sir, scientific scholarship has, historically, overlapped enormously with religious scholarship, monotheistic religions have been the prime institutions driving education and, in particular, literacy throughout history..... After all, it's hard to have a small army of scripture-interpreters without having them read the scriptures and write about them.

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Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:36am On Feb 13
JujuSugar:

Scientists being religious is not an anomaly, sir. Monotheistic religions (e.g. Christianity) and science are obviously non-contradictory, and actually have a lot of synergistic features.
A major proposal of every religion is that whatever created the world created it with an order....
An inquiry into that order is prescribed by either scripture or scholarship. Infact sir, scientific scholarship has, historically, overlapped enormously with religious scholarship, monotheistic religions have been the prime institutions driving education and, in particular, literacy throughout history..... After all, it's hard to have a small army of scripture-interpreters without having them read the scriptures and write about them.
And teach those scripture to those who can't read scripture and hence religion?
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by JujuSugar(f): 1:43am On Feb 13
budaatum:

And teach those scripture to those who can't read scripture and hence religion?
Perhaps....
Another thing to consider sir, is that a lot of these religious scientists understand their religion as a metaphorical system of values by which they live by. Its just a yardstick in my opinion. I don't believe they take their holy books as literal facts....

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Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by budaatum: 1:59am On Feb 13
JujuSugar:

Perhaps....
Another thing to consider sir, is that a lot of these religious scientists understand their religion as a metaphorical system of values by which they live by. Its just a yardstick in my opinion. I don't believe they take their holy books as literal facts....
No, I don't think smart people take their holy books literal. If they did and Alice Through the Looking Glass was a religious text, they'd be down a hole!

Religious scientists might likely understand metaphorically. God said, "let there be light" and there was a big bang, sort of metaphorical, after all, Newton did a metaphor and transmuted base metals into gold!

I wonder what the relationship between seeing religion metaphorically and seeing it spiritually, is?
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by JujuSugar(f): 2:01am On Feb 13
budaatum:

No, I don't think smart people take their holy books literal. If they did and Alice Through the Looking Glass was a religious text, they'd be down a hole!

Religious scientists might likely understand metaphorically. God said, "let there be light" and there was a big bang, sort of metaphorical, after all, Newton did a metaphor and transmuted base metals into gold!

I wonder what the relationship between seeing religion metaphorically and seeing it spiritually, is?
Do you think there's a relationship?

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Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by rekinomtla(m): 5:04am On Feb 13
LordReed:


You are framing it as a decline which is different from a decline in percentage of overall.

I already clarified what I meant by declining. But we can even say the population growth of atheism will be in the negative if we take the buddhists as atheists.
Re: Will Religion One Day Become History? by TATIME: 6:29am On Feb 13
LordReed:


Gigantic strawman. No atheist here or anywhere else has said do not listen to anyone else. NO atheist will ever be against the sharing of ideas. What I will stand against and what many atheist I suspect will be against is bad, terrible ideas which are not grounded in reality.
And you've forgotten that each person has the right to decide that,NOT someone else making such decision for them! embarassed embarassed embarassed
Reality or not each person has the sole right to CHOOSE how they will think and live their lives,whoever thinks some ideas are BAD or TERRIBLE shouldn't force his/her resolve on others! undecided undecided undecided
Mind controlling begins with "trying to navigate the thoughts in the minds of another supposed intelligent creature"
So atheists should wait for those trying to suggest how others should think and teach them as in use such opportunity to educate them. Moreover i've noticed a lot of posts from atheists saying things that's not REAL for example saying they "ASTRA TRAVELLED" into the past about 40 billion years ago! Yet this same people are claiming what others assert is not REAL. embarassed embarassed embarassed

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