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usermane,

and your argument with these two kufar resembles average mainstream argument that you have rebuked time and again. Anyways, i commend your input but know that these kufar have mission, especially this kafir Akin. The way he sounds suggests exactly what Quran says that they will not be pleased with you. Q2:120. The only time he feels comfortable behind his pc is when you can't provide proofs he needed.

So i am just wondering you now believe there is punishment for evildoers unlike few years ago you said once someone dies, nothing is going on in the grave or afterlife if i am correct?. But here you put up mainstream argument with these fake atheists seeking attention. You might need to retract your steps before you condemn orthodox muslims as you call us

usermane:
We just don't, unfortunately. If you're a Muslim you have to do your own research. And decide what to uphold and reject.

The bolded is enough.

There's no way to know a true Muslim, all Muslim are claiming to be true and follow the Quran.

You being a Quranist or modern Muslim claim to be true Muslim and see your fellow fundamentalist Muslims as false, whereas they see you as false Muslim. This is "no true Scotsman fallacy".

usermane:
I think the problem we face with Islam is people approaching it with either confirmation bias or disconfirmation bias. And this is why tintingz is asking "Who is a True Muslim" despite my exposé on the Hadith of 73 sects and Akin1212 is asking "Where is hell?"

If you read the Quran carefully, these questions seem absurd as asking; "Who is a true writer" or "Where is the end of the universe?". It is really not the purpose of the Qur'an to answer them.

Strawman.

The thing with anti-Islam critics and Islamic apologists is that they are too sides of a coin. Their approach to the Islam is too one dimensional and narrow. So they make poor arguments just as often as they make good ones.

For me, it is better to approach the Qur'an from alternate perspectives to minimize these bias.

Does the Quran have an objective interpretation, exegesis?

usermane:
Not everyone that identify as Muslim are Muslim. Some Muslims are in fact no different from disbelievers. So the disbelievers there are not limited to non-Muslims.

If you find my posts annoying then just skip them. I too find the posts of some poster in this forum annoying. But you know what I do? I skip them. I stopped reading them even when they directly reply to my posts.

The primary audience of my posts are critical Muslims, with an impartial & multidimensional approach to Islam. I have no interest in sterotypical Muslims with antiquated philosophy and reverence for Ibn Tamiyya, Al Ghazali or Ibn Kathir.

The people who criticize Ibn Tamiyya, Al Ghazali or Ibn Kathir are biased. Have you read their books for yourself? People just blame them for terrorism. Why weren't Muslims terrorists until the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan? If you still Muhammad ibn Abdulwahab did a good job of getting rid of bidah. Seek for knowledge and don't let your pride and ignorance mislead you. These people spent their life time learning Islam if you want to refute them do so with academic backing, then we will agree with you. You claim that you follow the Qur'an soley, but if we should make an investigation I am sure the book you so much love and adhere to you haven't memorized it yet. While all those scholars have, and they also learnt the meaning of behind those verses and why Allah revealed them. If you say you don't like there you can still follow the earliest scholars of Islam like Imam Malik, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal and Imam as-Shafi'i. How will you learn the Jurisprudence of Islam if not from Hadith? How will you learn the Shari'ah? How will you have knowledge to save people from becoming terrorists? How will you expose the lies of the Media against Islam? How will you truly love the prophet Muhammad S.A.W?

Empiree:
usermane,

and your argument with these two kufar resembles average mainstream argument that you have rebuked time and again. Anyways, i commend your input but know that these kufar have mission, especially this kafir Akin. The way he sounds suggests exactly what Quran says that they will not be pleased with you. Q2:120. The only time he feels comfortable behind his pc is when you can't provide proofs he needed.

So i am just wondering you now believe there is punishment for evildoers unlike few years ago you said once someone dies, nothing is going on in the grave or afterlife if i am correct?. But here you put up mainstream argument with these fake atheists seeking attention. You might need to retract your steps before you condemn orthodox muslims as you call us

Red herring!

Empiree:
usermane,

and your argument with these two kufar resembles average mainstream argument that you have rebuked time and again. Anyways, i commend your input but know that these kufar have mission, especially this kafir Akin. The way he sounds suggests exactly what Quran says that they will not be pleased with you. Q2:120. The only time he feels comfortable behind his pc is when you can't provide proofs he needed.

So i am just wondering you now believe there is punishment for evildoers unlike few years ago you said once someone dies, nothing is going on in the grave or afterlife if i am correct?. But here you put up mainstream argument with these fake atheists seeking attention. You might need to retract your steps before you condemn orthodox muslims as you call us

Kufar ko, Kepler ni.

tintingz:
Red herring!

Akin1212:


Kufar ko, Kepler ni.

Kufr(disbelief), is not all about worship deities other than God. Kufr also means denying Allah's Favors on you. You wake up everyday and go to your various businesses and other activities while there are many out there who slept last night like you but they did not wake up in the morning. Instead they wake up in their graves. A lot more people also slept last night and woke up this morning but they can not move, they can not speak. They are numb from waist down with or without any medical explanation, yet they are breathing and or talking or not talking. This alone is enough for you to appreciate Power of Supreme Being who created you from nothing.

But instead you make kufr to Him by denying His favors on you. You may say "but i ate last night and i have energy or appetite to be up today. I achieved this and that using my brain bla bla bla". You forget that He gave you food and brain you use. If He didnt give you brain you can not use it. Evidences of God existence abound in you not tafsir. With all been said, which of the favours of your Lord will you deny?

Empiree:
Kufr(disbelief), is not all about worship deities other than God. Kufr also means denying Allah's Favors on you. You wake up everyday and go to your various businesses and other activities while there are many out there who slept last night like you but they did not wake up in the morning. Instead they wake up in their graves. A lot more people also slept last night and woke up this morning but they can not move, they can not speak. They are numb from waist down with or without any medical explanation, yet they are breathing and or talking or not talking. This alone is enough for you to appreciate Power of Supreme Being who created you from nothing.

But instead you make kufr to Him by denying His favors on you. You may say "but i ate last night and i have energy or appetite to be up today. I achieved this and that using my brain bla bla bla". You forget that He gave you food and brain you use. If He didnt give you brain you can not use it. Evidences of God existence abound in you not tafsir. With all been said, which of the favours of your Lord will you deny?

Lol, so much stupidity in this single post. Besides the fact that it is full of red herring.

If we waking up and bla bla bla is the evidence that Allah exists according to your reasoning, then other people not waking up is also the evidence that Allah does not exist.

That we wake up is not evidence of any deity, Allah included. You really need to think deeply and desist from fallacy. Allah should do himself a favor and stop hiding. He has been dumb since the 7th century. He should do himself a favor and talk.

Empiree:
Kufr(disbelief), is not all about worship deities other than God. Kufr also means denying Allah's Favors on you. You wake up everyday and go to your various businesses and other activities while there are many out there who slept last night like you but they did not wake up in the morning. Instead they wake up in their graves. A lot more people also slept last night and woke up this morning but they can not move, they can not speak. They are numb from waist down with or without any medical explanation, yet they are breathing and or talking or not talking. This alone is enough for you to appreciate Power of Supreme Being who created you from nothing.

But instead you make kufr to Him by denying His favors on you. You may say "but i ate last night and i have energy or appetite to be up today. I achieved this and that using my brain bla bla bla". You forget that He gave you food and brain you use. If He didnt give you brain you can not use it. Evidences of God existence abound in you not tafsir. With all been said, which of the favours of your Lord will you deny?

You are appealing to ignorance, a fallacy.

How does this connect to your God, any evidence?

This is cognitive bias!

Akin1212:
Lol, so much stupidity in this single post. Besides the fact that it is full of red herring.

If we waking up and bla bla bla is the evidence that Allah exists according to your reasoning, then other people not waking up is also the evidence that Allah does not exist.

That we wake up is not evidence of any deity, Allah included. You really need to think deeply and desist from fallacy. Allah should do himself a favor and stop hiding. He has been dumb since the 7th century. He should do himself a favor and talk.

That dude is just delving into fallacies.

Imagine the cognitive bias he displayed.

So because he woke up alive therefore Allah exist, how he came to that conclusion still amaze me, what a wishful desire thinking. He just feel like adding his own imaginary master to his ignorance.

What about atheists that wake up alive without believing in God, does that also mean God doesn't exist?

Reasoning is far from this people.

tintingz:
That dude is just delving into fallacies.

Imagine the cognitive bias he displayed.

So because he wake up alive therefore Allah exist, how he came to that conclusion still amaze me, what a wishful desire thinking. He just feel like adding his own imaginary master to his ignorance.

What about atheists that wake up alive without believing in God, does that also mean God doesn't exist?

Reasoning is far from this people.

Lol, I wish I can laugh out loud. As you can see, he said Allah is favoring us despite that we disbelieve in him, and he chose to favor us over thousands of Muslims who die everyday. Those who believe in Allah, Allah has abandoned them and chose us. These people don't know how silly they look when they try to justify the existence of Allah by using favor or grace or by saying humans are the evidence. It's a position of stupidity and it doesn't surprise me anymore. What would you expect from a simple person? The proof of Allah is for Allah himself to show up, else it's just a claim by indoctrinated people.

Akin1212:
Lol, I wish I can laugh out loud. As you can see, he said Allah is favoring us despite that we disbelieve in him, and he chose to favor us over thousands of Muslims who die everyday. Those who believe in Allah, Allah has abandoned them and chose us. These people don't know how silly they look when they try to justify the existence of Allah by using favor or grace or by saying humans are the evidence. It's a position of stupidity and it doesn't surprise me anymore. What would you expect from a simple person? The proof of Allah is for Allah himself to show up, else it's just a claim by indoctrinated people.

Lol.

Reductio ad absurdum.

Akin1212:
Lol, so much stupidity in this single post. Besides the fact that it is full of red herring.

If we waking up and bla bla bla is the evidence that Allah exists according to your reasoning, then other people not waking up is also the evidence that Allah does not exist.

That we wake up is not evidence of any deity, Allah included. You really need to think deeply and desist from fallacy. Allah should do himself a favor and stop hiding. He has been dumb since the 7th century. He should do himself a favor and talk.

tintingz:
You are appealing to ignorance, a fallacy.

How does this connect to your God, any evidence?

This is cognitive bias!

I am not disappointed at all by your responses. Why are you in hurry?. Why don't you wait until you enter your grave, then you will see what's up. I'm not here to argue. I already knew that no matter evidences shown to you they fall in your deaf ears. Do you think you woke up this morning all by your might?. Will you not think?. If He so much wised to terminate your lives He could easily do it while your are asleep. But He returned your souls perchance you may think

Empiree:
I am not disappointed at all by your responses. Why are you in hurry?. Why don't you wait until you enter your grave, then you will see what's up. I'm not here to argue. I already knew that no matter evidences shown to you they fall in your deaf ears. Do you think you woke up this morning all by your might?. Will you not think?. If He so much wised to terminate your lives He could easily do it while your are asleep. But He returned your souls perchance you may think

The problem I have with you people and your gods is this enter your grave statement. Is your God the God of the dead or the God of the graveyard? Why must it be only when we die that we will see him? Isn't Allah the one who created reality? Why is he so scared of reality? Why must we die before we see him/her/it/them. If we are evidence of this Allah as you opined earlier, why is this Allah not a reality like us? Nobody is arguing with you, we're done arguing these things, you just have to defend that which you believe, or won't you? You have not shown a single evidence, you're only making claims and cannot defend the questions that arose as a result of your claims. You don't know what evidence is? I don't think I woke up this morning by my might, I know I did. Your Allah did not wake me up. If the job of Allah is to be waking people up, then he is wicked for not waking other people up this morning. You don't know what you paint your God as when you attribute these silly things to him. A child with a hole in his heart died few days ago, why would Allah wake up an old man and let a child who just started life die? Besides can't this your Allah preserve them both. You seem to be oblivious of how and why people die, that's why you think your fantasy character is responsible for death.

Empiree:
I am not disappointed at all by your responses. Why are you in hurry?. Why don't you wait until you enter your grave, then you will see what's up. I'm not here to argue. I already knew that no matter evidences shown to you they fall in your deaf ears. Do you think you woke up this morning all by your might?. Will you not think?. If He so much wised to terminate your lives He could easily do it while your are asleep. But He returned your souls perchance you may think

Have you been to the grave before? What has death got to do with your God existence?

I woke up this morning because it's nature, it's natural to wake up after you sleep, what's spiritual about it?

tintingz:
Have you been to the grave before? What has death got to do with your God existence?

I woke up this morning because it's nature, it's natural to wake after you sleep, what's spiritual about it?

Exactly how ungrateful ppl think. In Islamic terminology it is called kufr

Empiree:
Exactly how ungrateful ppl think. In Islamic terminology it is called kufr

What's ungrateful in waking up after some sleep? What's ungrateful doing your natural duties?

Sleeping does not equate to death.

Please educate yourself, don't give me headache.

Akin1212:
The problem I have with you people and your gods is this enter your grave statement. Is your God the God of the dead or the God of the graveyard? Why must it be only when we die that we will see him? Isn't Allah the one who created reality? Why is he so scared of reality? Why must we die before we see him/her/it/them.

Even a great Judeo/christian anti-islam california based radio talk-host personality, Michael Savage ones said "it makes sense that we dont see God. If he shows Himself and the moment disbelievers see Him, the next thing they say is, 'seen, next'".

If we are evidence of this Allah as you opined earlier, why is this Allah not a reality like us? Nobody is arguing with you, we're done arguing these things, you just have to defend that which you believe, or won't you? You have not shown a single evidence, you're only making claims and cannot defend the questions that arose as a result of your claims. You don't know what evidence is? I don't think I woke up this morning by my might, I know I did. Your Allah did not wake me up. If the job of Allah is to be waking people up, then he is wicked for not waking other people up this morning. You don't know what you paint your God as when you attribute these silly things to him. A child with a hole in his heart died few days ago, why would Allah wake up an old man and let a child who just started life die? Besides can't this your Allah preserve them both. You seem to be oblivious of how and why people die, that's why you think your fantasy character is responsible for death.

Defend myself against you?. Hell, no. I m never gonna be defensive. See highlighted?. Thats exactly what it means by zulm (injustice to oneself) and denial of Allah's favor on you.Everything else you said is irrelevant bcus that's your level of irrational faculty. I need not waste my time on that

tintingz:
What's ungrateful in waking up after some sleep? What's ungrateful doing your natural duties?

Sleeping does not equate to death.

Please educate yourself, don't give me headache.

This is the best way you could think things out?.

Empiree:
Even a great Judeo/christian anti-islam california based radio talk-host personality, Michael Savage ones said "it makes sense that we dont see God. If he shows Himself and the moment disbelievers see Him, the next thing they say is, 'seen, next'".

If that's true, then I guess it's safe to say that God has not shown himself because he is scared or better wary of showing himself because living things won't give him regards?

Empiree:
Defend myself against you?. Hell, no. I m never gonna be defensive. See highlighted?. Thats exactly what it means by zulm (injustice to oneself) and denial of Allah's favor on you.Everything else you said is irrelevant bcus that's your level of irrational faculty. I need not waste my time on that

Why would Allah favor an unbeliever and let a believer die, or why would Allah favor some unbelievers and not others? Unbelievers die everyday. If I die tomorrow now, your narrative will change.

Empiree:
This is the best way you could think things out?.

What's the best way?

Empiree:
Even a great Judeo/christian anti-islam california based radio talk-host personality, Michael Savage ones said "it makes sense that we dont see God. If he shows Himself and the moment disbelievers see Him, the next thing they say is, 'seen, next'".

This is fallacious.

How did he know that?

We're talking about God here.

tintingz:
This is fallacious.

How did he know that?

We're talking about God here.

Akin1212:
If that's true, then I guess it's safe to say that God has not shown himself because he is scared or better wary of showing himself because living things won't give him regards?

As i said before, i wont engage in endless argument when i know for a fact that you already made up you mind. But deep down you know that you are deceiving yourselves. You may brag all you want now but my posts here are meant to admonish you that it is never too late. You may brag all you want that God doesn't exist and all that bcus you can not see Him. Your case is like that of astronaut who went up there and after a while he wrote from there that God doesnt exist bcus he can not see Him. What he doesnt realize is that he is up there on oxygen. The moment the oxygen runs out before completes his mission, then he would realize existence of God. It is easy for you two to brag all you want but when appointed times comes, you just gonna feel sorry for yourselves. Learn lesson from Ali Banat. When his death was nigh, he realized he had been using natural oxygen for free all his 36 years on earth. But humans (doctors) charged him for oxygen to stay alive and only then he realized he had taken God for granted for far too long. His wealth could not avail him from death. May Allah have mercy on his soul. So continue ranting. If Allah so loves you, He may create situation for you to reflect and return to Him(belief) before you return to Him.

Why would Allah favor an unbeliever and let a believer die, or why would Allah favor some unbelievers and not others? Unbelievers die everyday. If I die tomorrow now, your narrative will change.

This is the best way you could think things out, man?

Empiree:
As i said before, i wont engage in endless argument when i know for a fact that you already made up you mind. But deep down you know that you are deceiving yourselves. You may brag all you want now but my posts here are meant to admonish you that it is never too late. You may brag all you want that God doesn't exist and all that bcus you can not see Him. Your case is like that of astronaut who went up there and after a while he wrote from there that God doesnt exist bcus he can not see Him. What he doesnt realize is that he is up there on oxygen. The moment the oxygen runs out before completes his mission, then he would realize existence of God. It is easy for you two to brag all you want but when appointed times comes, you just gonna feel sorry for yourselves. Learn lesson from Ali Banat. When his death was nigh, he realized he had been using natural oxygen for free all his 36 years on earth. But humans (doctors) charged him for oxygen to stay alive and only then he realized he had taken God for granted for far too long. His wealth could not avail him from death. May Allah have mercy on his soul. So continue ranting. If Allah so loves you, He may create situation for you to reflect and return to Him(belief) before you return to Him.

You are just making loud noise. If you won't engage in argument, stop replying. Or are you being forced to reply?

You are too full of ignorance, and it's not even an insult. I will also not go further to responding to you since you have already established that your God is the God of the dead not of the living. The dead might even see Allah and still say seen, next. I will not even respond to the silly oxygen narrative, the stupid meme that has been going round the internet.

You people are the ones deceiving yourselves. When you bring silly points and the points are being checked you will start appealing to ignorance. Go and find something else to do. Goodbye.

Empiree:
As i said before, i wont engage in endless argument when i know for a fact that you already made up you mind. But deep down you know that you are deceiving yourselves. You may brag all you want now but my posts here are meant to admonish you that it is never too late. You may brag all you want that God doesn't exist and all that bcus you can not see Him. Your case is like that of astronaut who went up there and after a while he wrote from there that God doesnt exist bcus he can not see Him. What he doesnt realize is that he is up there on oxygen. The moment the oxygen runs out before completes his mission, then he would realize existence of God. It is easy for you two to brag all you want but when appointed times comes, you just gonna feel sorry for yourselves. Learn lesson from Ali Banat. When his death was nigh, he realized he had been using natural oxygen for free all his 36 years on earth. But humans (doctors) charged him for oxygen to stay alive and only then he realized he had taken God for granted for far too long. His wealth could not avail him from death. May Allah have mercy on his soul. So continue ranting. If Allah so loves you, He may create situation for you to reflect and return to Him(belief) before you return to Him.

This is the best way you could think things out, man?

Oga have you experience death before that you conclude it's God you will see?

What is so painful is these fake atheists don't understand anything. Smh it is so painful and I have absolutely no time for explanatory analysis.

Empiree:
What is so painful is these fake atheists don't understand anything. Smh it is so painful and I have absolutely no time for explanatory analysis.

You understand everything. In this century and at this age, you still think a spirit wakes you up everyday because it favors you. It's such a pity that your reasoning is still wack like this. Don't bother explaining anything. Just keep it to yourself.

Akin1212:

You understand everything. In this century and at this age, you still think a spirit wakes you up everyday because it favors you. It's such a pity that your reasoning is still wack like this. Don't bother explaining anything. Just keep it to yourself.

I thought you said "bye"?. Your conscience's killing you?. I can't make you understand anything, buddy. Your past two post got me thinking the bed to revisit replying you back and forth. It is ridiculous.

Akin1212:
The problem I have with you people and your gods is this enter your grave statement. Is your God the God of the dead or the God of the graveyard?

Allah is the God of the living and the dead, the seen and unseen, the known and unknown. Allah is blanced and he had already told us that this life is a test and when we die, the reality will befall us. How we lived our lives will dictate our condition in the hereafter. It is from the grave that a soul will know wether it os destined to go hell or paradise.

Akin1212:
Why must it be only when we die that we will see him?

Because the test has come to an end and our purpose is not to see Allah but to worship Him and recognise His signs. You will agree with me that there are some functionalities of the brain that are not accessible to the human being, on judgement day this abilities will be accessible to the human and besides the deal is done. The veil between the spiritual realm and physical real will be lifted all dimensions will merge. So all the Jinns and the angels you deny their existence you will see them on that day, aliens or other creations of Allah will be seen too...

Akin1212:
Isn't Allah the one who created reality?

Yes of course!

Akin1212:
Why is he so scared of reality?

How ?

Akin1212:
*modified* Why must we die before we see Him (Although Allah does not have a sex that's an attribute of lower being that He created, and you cannot call Allah it because that's Just too disrespectful)?

This reality is a test, we were created and given a choice to worship Allah alone without ascribing partners to Him in worship, those who let the devil misguide them(those who do not truly believe) will realise their stupidity and arrogance. While they were on earth they used to mock those who were not misguided by the devil (those who are sincere to Allah) and see them as fools and treat them harshly and tarnish their image, both will be paid with what they have earned.

Akin1212:
If we are evidence of this Allah as you opined earlier, why is this Allah not a reality like us?

Allah is in a reality far greater and higher than ours, a 1000 year of ours is equivalent to one day with Him:
يُدَبِّرُ ٱلۡأَمۡرَ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ إِلَى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ ثُمَّ يَعۡرُجُ إِلَيۡهِ فِي يَوۡمٖ كَانَ مِقۡدَارُهُۥٓ أَلۡفَ سَنَةٖ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ

(Sahih International)
He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count.

-Sura As-Sajdah, Ayah 5

Do you see the equation?
Speed = Distance/ Time


Speed = the affair

Time = day

Distance = a thousand years

Sidereal day = 23 H 56 min 4.0906 sec = 86164.0906 sec =Time

1000 years = 12000 months

Assuming L = The route length of the moon's trip in one month

Distance = 12000 × L where, L = vT
T = Period of moons
revolution
v = Relative speed to
star or universe =
ve.cosX
X = angle formed by
earth's revolution
during one
sidereal month
ve =Relative speed to
earth = 3682.07
km/hr

= 12000 × (ve × cosX) × T
= 12000 × 3682.07 km/hr × 0.89157 × 655.71986 hr
= 25831348035.086 km

Speed = 25831348035.086 km / 86164.0906 sec
= 299792.49 km/sec = Speed of light.

Allah's realm is different.

وَقُلِ ٱلۡحَمۡدُ لِلَّهِ سَيُرِيكُمۡ ءَايَٰتِهِۦ فَتَعۡرِفُونَهَاۚ وَمَا رَبُّكَ بِغَٰفِلٍ عَمَّا تَعۡمَلُونَ

(Sahih International)
And say, "[All] praise is [due] to Allah . He will show you His signs, and you will recognize them. And your Lord is not unaware of what you do."

-Sura An-Naml, Ayah 93

Akin1212:
Nobody is arguing with you, we're done arguing these things, you just have to defend that which you believe, or won't you? You have not shown a single evidence, you're only making claims and cannot defend the questions that arose as a result of your claims. You don't know what evidence is? I don't think I woke up this morning by my might, I know I did.

Arrogance! Stop yourself from aging and dying. Infact let's not go too far stop yourself from excreting waste products from your body or design yourself to not breath oxygen or eat food .

Akin1212:
Your Allah did not wake me up. If the job of Allah is to be waking people up, then he is wicked for not waking other people up this morning.

Their test is over...

Akin1212:
You don't know what you paint your God as when you attribute these silly things to him. A child with a hole in his heart died few days ago, why would Allah wake up an old man and let a child who just started life die? Besides can't this your Allah preserve them both. You seem to be oblivious of how and why people die, that's why you think your fantasy character is responsible for death.

Allah creates what He wills, only Allah has a will, the humans only have a choice but many do not know. Allah made the child to be a test to his parents, while his test was the discomfort of the ailment, for every discomfort a person suffers and endures for the sake of Allah will reward the person with what he cannot imagine and cleanse him of his sins and forgive him and have mercy upon him. Allah tests the soul with only what it can bear.

لَا يُكَلِّفُ ٱللَّهُ نَفۡسًا إِلَّا وُسۡعَهَاۚ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتۡ وَعَلَيۡهَا مَا ٱكۡتَسَبَتۡۗ رَبَّنَا لَا تُؤَاخِذۡنَآ إِن نَّسِينَآ أَوۡ أَخۡطَأۡنَاۚ رَبَّنَا وَلَا تَحۡمِلۡ عَلَيۡنَآ إِصۡرٗا كَمَا حَمَلۡتَهُۥ عَلَى ٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبۡلِنَاۚ رَبَّنَا وَلَا تُحَمِّلۡنَا مَا لَا طَاقَةَ لَنَا بِهِۦۖ وَٱعۡفُ عَنَّا وَٱغۡفِرۡ لَنَا وَٱرۡحَمۡنَآۚ أَنتَ مَوۡلَىٰنَا فَٱنصُرۡنَا عَلَى ٱلۡقَوۡمِ ٱلۡكَٰفِرِينَ

(Sahih International)
Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned. "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."

-Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayah 286

najib632:
Allah is the God of the living and the dead, the seen and unseen, the known and unknown. Allah is blanced and he had already told us that this life is a test and when we die, the reality will befall us. How we lived our lives will dictate our condition in the hereafter. It is from the grave that a soul will know wether it os destined to go hell or paradise.

You have time to break this down to him?. You can see that he doesn't understand this when I said something similar. He keeps saying "Is your God the God of the dead or the God of the graveyard?". I didn't bother to break this down. It shows his low level of reasoning faculty..

najib632:
Speed = 25831348035.086 km / 86164.0906 sec
= 299792.49 = Speed of light.

Allah's realm is different.

Hmm... Right answer, but questionable methodology of calculation.

Allah is in a reality far greater and higher than ours, a 1000 year of ours is equivalent to one day with Him:
يُدَبِّرُ ٱلۡأَمۡرَ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ إِلَى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ ثُمَّ يَعۡرُجُ إِلَيۡهِ فِي يَوۡمٖ كَانَ مِقۡدَارُهُۥٓ أَلۡفَ سَنَةٖ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ

(Sahih International)
He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count.

-Sura As-Sajdah, Ayah 5

Do you see the equation?
Speed = Distance/ Time


Speed = the affair

Time = day

Distance = a thousand years

Sidereal day = 23 H 56 min 4.0906 sec = 86164.0906 sec =Time

1000 years = 12000 months

Assuming L = The route length of the moon's trip in one month

Distance = 12000 × L where, L = vT
T = Period of moons
revolution
v = Relative speed to
star or universe =
ve.cosX
X = angle formed by
earth's revolution
during one
sidereal month
ve =Relative speed to
earth = 3682.07
km/hr

= 12000 × (ve × cosX) × T
= 12000 × 3682.07 km/hr × 0.89157 × 655.71986 hr
= 25831348035.086 km

OK. By your interpretation of this verse, 1000 years is the duration it takes for matters here on earth to ascend to God, right? OK, and you calculate to the distance of ascent as 25 billion km from earth. After 25 billion km, these matter complete their ascent to Allah 's realm.

You now proceed to calculate the speed of light, quite accurate, hmmm? Scientific miracle of Quran?

But wait, the closest star to the earth is 37 trillion kilometers. Are the stars farther from the earth than Allah's realm - which is above the heavens(Outer space)?

Another problem is, why would intangible earthly matter or affairs even need to ascend to Allah like physical objects ascend, with scaler quantities like speed and distance?

Wouldn't this be redundant if God already knows the future, hears and sees everything.

Thus, you've misinterpreted this verse in bid to prove Qur'an miraculously confirms the speed of light. You've proven one wonder at the cost of what? A blunder.

I know, it is really impressive doing these calculations with one figure from Qur'an and several from outside Qur'an. And confirming speed of light or distance from the sun. But be careful. Not all that glitters is gold.

najib632:
Allah is the God of the living and the dead, the seen and unseen, the known and unknown. Allah is blanced and he had already told us that this life is a test and when we die, the reality will befall us. How we lived our lives will dictate our condition in the hereafter. It is from the grave that a soul will know wether it os destined to go hell or paradise.


Because the test has come to an end and our purpose is not to see Allah but to worship Him and recognise His signs. You will agree with me that there are some functionalities of the brain that are not accessible to the human being, on judgement day this abilities will be accessible to the human and besides the deal is done. The veil between the spiritual realm and physical real will be lifted all dimensions will merge. So all the Jinns and the angels you deny their existence you will see them on that day, aliens or other creations of Allah will be seen too...

Yes of course!
How ?


This reality is a test, we were created and given a choice to worship Allah alone without ascribing partners to Him in worship, those who let the devil misguide them(those who do not truly believe) will realise their stupidity and arrogance. While they were on earth they used to mock those who were not misguided by the devil (those who are sincere to Allah) and see them as fools and treat them harshly and tarnish their image, both will be paid with what they have earned.

Allah is in a reality far greater and higher than ours, a 1000 year of ours is equivalent to one day with Him:
يُدَبِّرُ ٱلۡأَمۡرَ مِنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ إِلَى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ ثُمَّ يَعۡرُجُ إِلَيۡهِ فِي يَوۡمٖ كَانَ مِقۡدَارُهُۥٓ أَلۡفَ سَنَةٖ مِّمَّا تَعُدُّونَ

(Sahih International)
He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count.

-Sura As-Sajdah, Ayah 5

Do you see the equation?
Speed = Distance/ Time


Speed = the affair

Time = day

Distance = a thousand years

Sidereal day = 23 H 56 min 4.0906 sec = 86164.0906 sec =Time

1000 years = 12000 months

Assuming L = The route length of the moon's trip in one month

Distance = 12000 × L where, L = vT
T = Period of moons
revolution
v = Relative speed to
star or universe =
ve.cosX
X = angle formed by
earth's revolution
during one
sidereal month
ve =Relative speed to
earth = 3682.07
km/hr

= 12000 × (ve × cosX) × T
= 12000 × 3682.07 km/hr × 0.89157 × 655.71986 hr
= 25831348035.086 km

Speed = 25831348035.086 km / 86164.0906 sec
= 299792.49 = Speed of light.

Allah's realm is different.

وَقُلِ ٱلۡحَمۡدُ لِلَّهِ سَيُرِيكُمۡ ءَايَٰتِهِۦ فَتَعۡرِفُونَهَاۚ وَمَا رَبُّكَ بِغَٰفِلٍ عَمَّا تَعۡمَلُونَ

(Sahih International)
And say, "[All] praise is [due] to Allah . He will show you His signs, and you will recognize them. And your Lord is not unaware of what you do."

-Sura An-Naml, Ayah 93

Arrogance! Stop yourself from aging and dying. Infact let's not go too far stop yourself from excreting waste products from your body or design yourself to not breath oxygen or eat food .

Their test is over...

Allah creates what He wills, only Allah has a will, the humans only have a choice but many do not know. Allah made the child to be a test to his parents, while his test was the discomfort of the ailment, for every discomfort a person suffers and endures for the sake of Allah will reward the person with what he cannot imagine and cleanse him of his sins and forgive him and have mercy upon him. Allah tests the soul with only what it can bear.

لَا يُكَلِّفُ ٱللَّهُ نَفۡسًا إِلَّا وُسۡعَهَاۚ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتۡ وَعَلَيۡهَا مَا ٱكۡتَسَبَتۡۗ رَبَّنَا لَا تُؤَاخِذۡنَآ إِن نَّسِينَآ أَوۡ أَخۡطَأۡنَاۚ رَبَّنَا وَلَا تَحۡمِلۡ عَلَيۡنَآ إِصۡرٗا كَمَا حَمَلۡتَهُۥ عَلَى ٱلَّذِينَ مِن قَبۡلِنَاۚ رَبَّنَا وَلَا تُحَمِّلۡنَا مَا لَا طَاقَةَ لَنَا بِهِۦۖ وَٱعۡفُ عَنَّا وَٱغۡفِرۡ لَنَا وَٱرۡحَمۡنَآۚ أَنتَ مَوۡلَىٰنَا فَٱنصُرۡنَا عَلَى ٱلۡقَوۡمِ ٱلۡكَٰفِرِينَ

(Sahih International)
Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned. "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."

-Sura Al-Baqarah, Ayah 286

I think you should debate religion and leave science out of it. When you attempt to 'force' science into the Quran, that is a recipe for more confusion. I really don't see any sense you make with this application of an unrelated scientific formula with a Qur'anic verse. You ended muddling up the whole argument.