₦airaland Forum

TATIME:
That is why i always want to avoid him because i don't think a person who formerly agreed to the terms and conditions of a group only to turn against such group when the same terms and conditions are applied in his case is worth being a neighbour talkless a friend!
I was a Muslim before i started studying with Jehovah's Witnesses,i took my time to ask CRITICAL questions with all strictness to be sure of what this group believes and at the end of each study i keep asking myself "o boy can you stand this?" so my study took me over two decades with numerous conductors before i finally succumb to becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses. So NO MATTER what the organization says i'm OK with it because i've made the TRUTH my own,therefore if anyone wants to say something that will change my resolve to remain ever loyal to the teaching of the GB, all i will continue asking such a person is "PRESENT,SHOW,POINT,DIRECT,TELL me another group that is meeting up with the high standard of JWs?
To me it's rather better to be dead than being a fugitive! I think that's why this Hairyrapunzel of a guy can't rest again, he has gone round but can't find any other group that's worth the JWs so out of spite he is killing himself with bitterness everyday instead of simply erasing the memories of JWs! This he can't do because deep down in him he knows that he can NEVER find another loving group and he does not want to humble himself to be welcome back into the fold. Hebrews 10:26,27

lordtim001:

You won't respond to what I said. Of course! I expected it
When people like you make baseless claims and say that only elders have the information, you expect me to swallow it. I'm not gullible. Most of you rely on hearsay instead of personal experiences.

lordtim001:

You won't respond to what I said. Of course! I expected it
When people like you make baseless claims and say that only elders have the information, you expect me to swallow it. I'm not gullible. Most of you rely on hearsay instead of personal experiences.

Hairyrapunzel:
Baseless ke. Oya let's go there. You think because there is new light on the matter we have forgotten old light? Nope.


The Watchtower 1995 Nov 1 pp.28-9
"What Can Elders Do?

If the elders are approached by a member of the congregation who is experiencing flashbacks or repressed memories of child abuse, two of them are usually assigned to help. These elders should kindly encourage the afflicted one to focus for the time being on coping with the emotional distress. The names of any remembered abusers should be kept in strict confidence.

The elders primary task is to act as shepherds. (Isaiah 32:1,2; 1Peter 5:2,3) They should be especially careful to clothe [themselves] with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering. (Colossians 3:12) Let them listen in a kindly way and then apply healing words from the Scriptures. (Proverbs 12:18) Some who are afflicted with painful memories have expressed appreciation for elders who make regular visits or even telephone calls to check to see how they are doing. Such contacts need not take a lot of time, but they show that Jehovah's organization cares. When the afflicted one realizes that his Christian brothers truly love him, he may be helped to recover a considerable degree of emotional balance.

What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation? Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle at Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter. If the accuser is not emotionally able to do this face-to-face, it can be done by telephone or perhaps by writing a letter. In this way the one accused is given the opportunity to go on record before Jehovah with his answer to the accusation. He may even be able to present evidence that he could not have committed the abuse. Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved. What a blessing that would be! If there is a confession, the two elders can handle matters further in accordance with Scriptural principles.

If the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way . And the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person. The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken. (2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19) Even if more than one person remembers abuse by the same individual, the nature of these recalls is just too uncertain to base judicial decisions on them without other supporting evidence. This does not mean that such memories are viewed as false (or that they are viewed as true). But Bible principles must be followed in establishing a matter judicially.

What if the one accused though denying the wrong doing is really guilty? Does he get away with it, as it were? Certainly not! The question of his guilt or innocence can be safely left in Jehovah's hands. The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men their sins also become manifest later. (1Timothy 5:24; Romans 12:19; 14:12) The book of Proverbs says: The expectation of the righteous ones is a rejoicing, but the very hope of the wicked ones will perish. When a wicked man dies, his hope perishes. (Proverbs 10:28; 11:7) Ultimately, Jehovah God and Christ Jesus render everlasting judgment in justice. 1 Corinthians 4:5."

lordtim001:
Where did it say that it should not be taken to the authorities? And it rightly says that evidence must be prevented. If the accusation is denied, there is nothing that can be done in a JUDICIAL way. That means do not expect the person to be disfellowshipped when the matter has not been proven. You can pursue it legally. Even before taking it to the authorities, you MUST have evidence

lordtim001:
Where did it say that it should not be taken to the authorities? And it rightly says that evidence must be prevented. If the accusation is denied, there is nothing that can be done in a JUDICIAL way. That means do not expect the person to be disfellowshipped when the matter has not been proven. You can pursue it legally. Even before taking it to the authorities, you MUST have evidence

lordtim001:
Where did it say that it should not be taken to the authorities? And it rightly says that evidence must be prevented. If the accusation is denied, there is nothing that can be done in a JUDICIAL way. That means do not expect the person to be disfellowshipped when the matter has not been proven. You can pursue it legally. Even before taking it to the authorities, you MUST have evidence

Hairyrapunzel:
Loyalty to Jehovah God will also keep us from doing anything that would bring reproach upon his name and Kingdom. For example, two Christians once got into such difficulty with each other that they improperly resorted to a worldly law court. Certainly, the course of loyalty to Jehovah God is to suffer personal loss rather than bring reproach upon Jehovah and his organization." Watchtower 1996 Mar 15 p.15


In fact your leaders describe their members going to worldly law court as improper. Can you imagine?

Hairyrapunzel:
Even Churches that condemn immorality have tolerated religious leaders who have sexually abused children." The End of False Religion is Near! (2006) p.2


Even jws that condemn immorality have tolerated elders, ministerial servants who have sexually abused children.
Your religion is a false one.

lordtim001:
Good. That's why it's reasonable that we do not want divisions among Witnesses. They should be united. If you want to cause a division, take it elsewhere. I'm talking to non-JWs. I expect you to have a different opinion (else you would be a JW). That's why it has extended 3 pages. Or you expect me and another JW to be going head to head?

lordtim001:
Define tolerate. In my own opinion, anybody that advises a JW not to seek legal action in such case should be exposed and dealt with because he is going contrary to laid down laws, both Biblical and secular

lordtim001:
Define tolerate. In my own opinion, anybody that advises a JW not to seek legal action in such case should be exposed and dealt with because he is going contrary to laid down laws, both Biblical and secular

Hairyrapunzel:
Is this not your secret book? I thought it's for elders eyes only?

lordtim001:
Define tolerate. In my own opinion, anybody that advises a JW not to seek legal action in such case should be exposed and dealt with because he is going contrary to laid down laws, both Biblical and secular

Janosky:
Na so he be , bigoted hairy liar, alias 'deadlytruth' with out sense.
His only hobby is posting baseless allegations ,spread fake news and lies about Jehovah's witnesses.
Gubernatorial Candidate for Yaba/Uselu Kolo State.
Kolo Pharisee wey dey form Christian

lordtim001:
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You must be familiar with 1 Cor 6 vs 1 - 8
As you can see, child abuse is not one of those cases. It's a crime. And in fact you can pursue any normal case in court, if it is warranted

[b]At 1 Corinthians 6:1-8, the apostle Paul gave strong counsel that Christians should not take other Christians before secular courts to settle personal disputes that should be settled with the help of the congregation elders.—w97 3/15 pp. 21-22; w86 11/15 p. 20; g83 2/8 pp.13-15; w7311/15 pp. 703-704. ˙ If an individual ignores God’s Word on this matter, it may affect his congregation privileges. ˙ There is no difference between taking an individual brother or sister to court and taking to court a corporation whose owners are all Jehovah’s Witnesses. The spirit of 1 Corinthians 6: 1-8 would be violated by relying on the secular courts to settle business disputes among corporations that are made up entirely of brothers. 23. However, there are legal matters over which the congregation does not have authority and which may therefore be taken to a secular court for judgment without violating the principle or the spirit of 1 Corinthians 6:1-8. These include:

˙ Getting a divorce decree, child custody and support, alimony.

Obtaining insurance compensation.

If a person suffers loss or is injured in or by an automobile owned by a spiritual brother, it might be necessary legally to sue the brother in order to obtain compensation from the brother’s insurer. ˙

Being listed among creditors in bankruptcy procedures
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˙ Probating wills. ˙

Certain countersuits. For example, if a worldly creditor sues a brother, it might be necessary for the brother, for his own protection, to file a countersuit even though spiritual brothers may be included in the action. ˙

If a brother takes legal action against another baptized Witness, it would not be a violation of 1 Corinthians 6:1-8 for the one being sued to defend himself or to countersue. This is true whether the matter was first taken before the elders or not.[/b]

Shepherd the Flock pg 133-134

Janosky:
Na so he be , bigoted hairy liar, alias 'deadlytruth' with out sense.
His only hobby is posting baseless allegations ,spread fake news and lies about Jehovah's witnesses.

Gubernatorial Candidate for Yaba/Uselu Kolo State.
Kolo Pharisee wey dey form Christian

TATIME:
They're behind the fence so in my own opinion it is best to leave them to continue crying outside the camp!
Jehovah has exposed the intentions of unbelievers "to stop everyone from worshiping Jehovah"
They're claiming Christians but truthfully they are atheists! I said it several times. Atheism is all about discouraging people from obedience to God,but atheists will ask you "where is God?" remember Kora,he was mobilizing the people against Moses,his reasons is "Jehovah can use anybody,so why must it be only Moses?" So anyone fighting against compliance to rules that unites people simply because the people are submissive willingly without a military force is indirectly an advocate of ATHEISM!

achorladey:
TATIME: They're behind the fence so in my own opinion it is best to leave them to continue crying outside the camp!achorladey: Is it a bad thing to CRY or DIE outside the CAMP? Perhaps you might want to read Hebrews 13: 11-14........We have an altar from which those who offer sacred service at the tent have no authority to eat. 11 For the bodies of those animals whose blood is taken into the holy place as a sin offering by the high priest are burned up OUTSIDE THE CAMP. 12 Therefore, Jesus also suffered OUTSIDE the CITY GATE in order to sanctify the people with his own blood. 13 Let us, then, GO to HIM OUTSIDE THE CAMP, BEARING the REPROACH he bore, 14 for we do not have here a city that REMAINS, but we are EARNESTLY seeking the ONE to COME.
Paul ENCOURAGED us all to GO to JESUS OUTSIDE the CAMP. If you know what that means you know INDEED.
TATIME: Jehovah has exposed the intentions of UNBELIEVERS "to stop everyone from WORSHIPING JEHOVAH"
Achorladey: I don't want to believe "deadlytruth or "Hairyrapunzel" are UNBELIEVERS or willing to stop people from worshipping GOD.
TATIME: They're CLAIMING CHRISTIANS but truthfully they are ATHEISTS!
Achorladey: The huge problem is stating these people CLAIM to be CHRISTIANS, that's an ASSUMPTION you cannot prove. They can equally say that ABOUT you which I know you will never ACCEPT.

EVILFOREST:
I WITNESS JEHOVAH but am not a member.
I LOVE them so much because,
---Of all the CHRISTAIN denominations....
They are the MOST Enlightened, Educated, Exposed.
It is usually difficult to SPOT the Illiterates among them.

They train their KIDS to be resourceful in future
They are good at PUBLIC SPEAKING.
They dress modest.
They rarely give in, to the changes of the new age.

They study the BIBLE more than any other denomination.

Above all they have the BEST EVANGELISM network, involving both the rich and the poor. (youngest and oldest)
Their CLERGYMEN talk cautiously, unlike many others who talk back at the congregation carelessly.
Never MONEY driven nor conscious.

I always entertained them right from my CHILDHOOD and I have learnt a lot.
I just wish I can worship GOD, the way they do.
MOST times I feel ashamed as a christain when I see them.
I see them as CHRISTAIN EXTREMISTS.
I hope to pay them a visit soonest.

I Love them.

achorladey:
lordtim001 do you know that hairy has a point about this, and it not just hearsay. What follows proves that to be true......

as made clear in Letter to Elders , August 23, 2010, which states:

"The information is designed for use by the elders only, and other individuals should not have any opportunity to read the information."


Sisters are not allowed to even bind it under supervision, as directed in the following quote from the
Letter to Elders , October 7, 2010:

"There is no objection if an elder personally spiral binds or laminates his own textbook or does so for other elders. If he has another baptized brother who is not an elder do the work for him, the elder must watch while the work is being done. Outside companies, unbelievers, or sisters are not permitted to do this work. The material in the book is confidential, and confidentiality must be preserved."


August 23 2010 letters..

We would like to emphasize the importance of keeping these new textbooks secured and confidential, both before and after they are distributed. The textbooks should not be left on tops of desks or in other places where they are easily accessible by family members or other individuals. The information is designed for use by the ELDERS ONLY, and other INDIVIDUALS should not have any OPPORTUNITY to READ the INFORMATION.

That you(lordtim001) have access to it means you have DIFFERING OPINIONS about the book being a SECRET book.

Hairyrapunzel:
You people can now bring reproach to Jehovah's name? Lol.

I am talking about pedophilles being shielded by watchtower. Do elders advice people to go to police first? No
Your leaders take matters into their own hands. Stop defending evil.

lordtim001:
You guys are so funny . You say it's a secret book. Fine. But you want to "expose" Witnesses using the same book. And most times, you post half-truths. Now that I have access to the book to see things for myself and I have shown you the truth of the matter, you are condemning me for having access to the book in the first place
By the way, I'm deleting it ASAP

lordtim001:
They cannot advise you to pursue a court case neither can they advise you not to pursue a court case. Galatians 6 vs 5 is applied here

TATIME:
How i wish i can lay my hands on this GBANGBAJIOUS commentator who has spewed all of these in support of the JWs,yet he is NOT a member of their group!
Where is achorladey,Deadlytruth,Hairyrapunzel,brocab,johnw37 and the rest? Please what are YOU guys going to do to this traitor for pouring sand into the gaari?

EVILFOREST:
I WITNESS JEHOVAH but am not a member. I LOVE them so much because,

Hairyrapunzel:
Why do I have the feeling you wrote that rubbish/trash?

lordtim001:
You guys are so funny . You say it's a secret book. Fine. But you want to "expose" Witnesses using the same book. And most times, you post half-truths. Now that I have access to the book to see things for myself and I have shown you the truth of the matter, you are condemning me for having access to the book in the first place
By the way, I'm deleting it ASAP

brocab:
Evil is Tatime favoured at the moment-Evil sticks together-it can only line up with another resources of evil--"The watchtower is knowing as the other resources, so Dr evil-had wrote his brothers and sisters in the Watchtower a love letter. How does Darkness shine where there is light...

Hairyrapunzel:
Why do I have the feeling you wrote that rubbish/trash?

TATIME:
If you're really an intellectual you should have noticed that i NEVER agreed with that worthless term "denomination" for once! My believe is "if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses,you're not a Christian" so going by Tatime's idea, their is NOTHING like denomination in Christianity. It's either you're a Christian{JW} or an unbeliever!

Hairyrapunzel:
Buhaha. When I show you David cutting foreskin to use as dowry to Saul and pharaoh killing a whole village as giving it as wedding gift to Solomon and his daughter you say it's bible times while reporting a criminal offence or advising people to report crime you quote a verse out of context.

I am sure Bible didn't say rape or pedophillia.
A criminal offence where there are only 2 people the perpetrator and victim. Yet you need 2 witnesses. Lol

If na Catholic you go say them be false religion for shielding criminals whearas una dey shield criminals. You religion is a false one.

achorladey:
lordtim001: You guys are so funny

Achorladey: Life can be fun at times. You should know on Nairaland, the fun never stops.

lordtim001:You say it's a secret book.

Achorladey: Yes we have said something of that nature but we are only repeating the viewpoint and fact the publishers of the book wrote about the material itself. As it were we informed you about what you don't seem to know about the book.

lordtim001:Fine. But you want to "expose" Witnesses using the same book.

Achorladey: The person you had the discussion with might not have made use of it or referenced it but discussion do unfold and spill over sometimes.

lordtim001: And most times, you post half-truths.

Achorladey: What would you have said had Hairyrapunzel not use the material to make a strong case about what you were both discussing.

lordtim001: Now that I have access to the book to see things for myself and I have shown you the truth of the matter,

Achorladey: Fine.

lordtim001: You are condemning me for having access to the book in the first place.

Achorladey: No one is condemning you for having access to it. It's a freedom you have chose to exercise or perhaps you are not even aware the book is meant for ELDERS ONLY. Why should we comdemn you for what you seem not to be in the KNOW?

lordtim001: By the way, I'm deleting it.

Achorladey: It's your freedom, EXERCISE IT.