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| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 10:50pm On Mar 02, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:Hanging on to straw.. Give us the number of nails used ,since you know am nau.... |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 10:52pm On Mar 02, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:The Romans do use nails in the executions of criminals back then Sir, there is no doubt about that. But what we want to ascertain now is whether those criminals were fastened on stakes or crosses! The mention of nails just buttress the fact that Jesus was tortured to death,these has nothing to do with the case on ground STAKE or CROSS! ![]() |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(op): 10:53pm On Mar 02, 2019 |
Janosky:We will have to come to an agreement what terms of reference we are going to use to answer questions, the Bible or the Watchtower magazine? |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 11:00pm On Mar 02, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel:Ezra 6:11, is king Darius a Jew? Esther 7:9,10 is king Xerxes a Jew? The practice was similar, a stake an upright pole was the instrument deployed for Jesus impalement. Else, Paul would not link Gal 3:13 to Deu21:22,23. |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(op): 11:00pm On Mar 02, 2019 |
Maximus69:We will eventually arrive at the point whether Jesus was either nailed on a stake or a cross but I need a straightforward answer according to what Thomas said in the verse I quoted above. Is it a nail in singular or nails in the plural that was in Jesus' hands? ![]() |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 11:07pm On Mar 02, 2019 |
Mr Olaadegbu, in as much as you would have loved to point out the errors in the interpretations of other religious groups,substantial evidences are needed to convince serious minded persons! The Bible has been translated and revised several time in the past but all the placed mentioned could be visited for verification of facts in case there arises any argument regarding the TRUTH of the story. If you believe according to the presented writings that Jesus was executed by the Roman authorities and Rome still exist till date,why not investigate the matter without been biased on what was used to kill Jesus back then if it is the STAKE or CROSS? Well paganism is promoted only when the worshipers chose NOT to scrutinise what has been presented to them by their ancestors! If we're surely on the side of TRUTH,i think anyone can visit the Roman museum to know exactly how criminals in ancient Rome were impaled! Good night Sir. |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 11:08pm On Mar 02, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:Lying Pharisee, the watchtower wrote Acts5:30, Gal3:13 & Deu21:22,23 . Ezra6:11. Esth7:9,10 in your copy of the holy Bible. Lol |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(op): 11:11pm On Mar 02, 2019 |
Janosky:Does that mean you agree to use the Bible as our terms of reference? |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 11:16pm On Mar 02, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:If Jesus was nailed on a CROSS each hand will have just ONE single hole,and if he was nailed on a STAKE each hand will still carry ONE single hole. So this is of no significance at all compared to simply verifying how the Roman Empire do execute criminals before and in the first century during which Jesus happens to be one of those executed back then! |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:27pm On Mar 02, 2019 |
Maximus69:false jw mad max you are very sensitive to be upset by being called "mad max" Maximus69: Sir i thought it's only Mr Hairyrapunzel that is aggressive in this podium,are you also of that sort?what i'm hearing from you is typical false jw pharisee self righteousness, maybe false jw's taught you that maybe you were already that way, but i'm not interisted in your life story Maximus69: I think you too need to learn such virtuous attributes from devoted JWs and stop this fruitless,worthless,abusive,insulting,curses and unwarranted arguments with those half baked JWs.truly i won't be learning anything from satans mob @ bold, well you got that part right |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(op): 11:30pm On Mar 02, 2019 |
Maximus69:"The other disciples therefore said to him, We have seen the Lord. But he said, Except I shall see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into His side, I will not believe" (John 20:25). But John 20:25 mentioned nails in the plural and not nail in the singular. |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 12:10am On Mar 03, 2019 |
Janosky:The exposure of your Trinity scam dey pain you like hot chili pepper rubbed into a fresh wound sotay you dey vex like wounded lion, just like your father the" roaring lion" seeking to devour gullible people with satanic doctrines. In heaven, Jesus is still the Son of Jehovah God. , he called "my Father" ( Rev 3:14 ,21.) & Jehovah is still the Head of Jesus in heaven when Paul wrote 1 Cor11:3. Your Trinity scam is safe in the rubbish dump. "Blessed be Jehovah, the God and FATHER of our lord Jesus Christ." Eph 1:3. |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 1:08am On Mar 03, 2019*. Modified: 1:24am On Mar 03, 2019 |
Janosky:oh cannot stop lying false jw pharisee deceiver Janosky/OneJ truly, it does not bother me one little bit what you copycat know nothing think about the trinity doctrine, ha ha Janosky: Your Trinity scam is safe in the rubbish dump.you are so tormented by the trinity doctrine you cannot stop talking about it, laugh Janosky/Onej confused false jw and disbeliever of God truly the Word Jesus Christ was not created: truly disbeliever of God, the Word Jesus Christ created all that was created nothing was created without Jesus truly lying twister of God's word, Father God had the Word Jesus Christ created everything that was created Father God never created anything except by Jesus, without Jesus was nothing made, oh duh duh duh: Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. lying pharisee deceiver half baked false jw Janosky/OneJ ![]() Mat_23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. ^^^ no one travels more than false jw's in doing their god of this world's work Act 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 1:56am On Mar 03, 2019*. Modified: 5:38am On Mar 03, 2019 |
half baked false jw lying pharisee deceiver Janosky/OneJ
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| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 5:20am On Mar 03, 2019 |
johnw47:It's OK Sir,you've made yourself clear enough to be understood. So have it in mind that you've not been arguing with devoted JWs because they will NEVER go against the instruction of their GB. And as for learning 'any thing of VIRTUE' from JWs,you and i differs in reasoning Sir considering Apostle Paul's letter to the Philippians @ 4:8. Thanks for a hearty contribution Sir! |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 5:28am On Mar 03, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:Good morning Sir,how was your night? Let's praise God for his mercies over us today! Please let's close the discuss as i don't value arguments at all,if you believe Jesus was fastened to a CROSS it's OK and if i believe he was impaled on a STAKE it's still the same thing. At least we both agreed that he died for our sin and the execution took place under the Roman authority during the first century. Thanks Sir,once again good morning do enjoy the rest of the weekend! |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 5:49am On Mar 03, 2019 |
Maximus69:false jw mad max i agree, they are not devoted jw's they are not even devoted false jw's, but half baked false jw's Maximus69: And as for learning 'any thing of VIRTUE' from JWs,you and i differs in reasoning Sir considering Apostle Paul's letter to the Philippians @ 4:8. Thanks for a hearty contribution Sir!what you call the virtue of false jw, is self righteousness like that of your ancestors the pharisees |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 7:01am On Mar 03, 2019 |
johnw47:Even Jesus instruct his listeners to pick VIRTUOUS things from the teachings of Pharisees and at the same time warned them to be careful of their evil deeds. Matthew 23:3 Note Sir,that Jesus was emphatic about Pharisees saying one thing but doing another thing, NOT when what they does is in compliance with the fruit of God's holy spirit e.g 'showing respect for whoever respect you' 1Peter 3:15 So our Lord Jesus Christ himself will never rule out virtuous works no matter where it is found. Matthew 8:10 Angrily labelling ones fellow man as 'mad' just because of differences in beliefs is totally strange from the perspectives of the early christians Sir! |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 7:13am On Mar 03, 2019*. Modified: 8:34am On Mar 03, 2019 |
Maximus69:pharisee false jw mad max it was only a matter of time before your false accusations show not angry at all, in fact happy at showing false jw's to be liars and happy to make up names to suit Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 7:33am On Mar 03, 2019 |
johnw47:Hmmm well i just hope i'm safe if living next to you without sharing your opinion. Because even if i am of the devil as you asserts,and i choose to lie to my own soul it would still be more reasonable to allow me live peacefully with my devilish believes than labelling me 'mad' when i've done practically nothing to offend or hurt you! If this is how fierce and intolerant you are towards someone whose beliefs differ from yours, what exactly is the difference between you and a terrorist? |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 7:40am On Mar 03, 2019 |
Please Mr Olaadegbu, is this person called johnw47 also a member of your church,or just an unknown radical commentator? Please Mr Olaadegbu i'll be glad to have your response on my question Sir! |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 8:30am On Mar 03, 2019 |
Maximus69:false jw mad max ha ha, false jw emotional nonsense |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 8:33am On Mar 03, 2019 |
Maximus69:false jw mad max weak emotions are not of God they are off your god though: 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 8:36am On Mar 03, 2019 |
johnw47:Certainly you're a TRUE christian Sir. God bless you! ![]() |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 8:49am On Mar 03, 2019 |
Maximus69:false jw mad max the only time a lying pharisee false jw can tell the truth, is when being sarcastic: Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 9:42am On Mar 03, 2019 |
Janosky:Is it the Jews or romans that executed Jesus Christ? |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 9:47pm On Mar 03, 2019 |
I'll ever remain grateful God for sending his witnesses to my home and i'll never forget why i unusually attended to them despite been so tired that faithful day! It's enough,now i can confidently tell anyone without fear or intimidation that 'i've found Jesus' original group'. So it's no more a hidden fact that JWs are devoted believers and ever ready to take corrections even from a none JW who simply got the information indisposed to the public! The GB orders them not to involve in on going social media debate or argument,and immediately at the mention of GOVERNING BODY OneJ,Peacefulove,Tatime,Captivator and others became silent! Kudos to all of you for showing me why it is reasonable and necessary to belong to a unique group where lawlessness is no more,unlike in the world out there where worshipers can just take a bold stand against the rules of the religion to which they belong! See you all in Paradise,when the earth is filled with the knowledge of Jehovah and lawlessness will be a thing of the past! Thanks again for proving your worth. |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(op): 10:16pm On Mar 03, 2019 |
Maximus69:Good evening. I have conclusively proved through the scriptures (John 20:25) that the Watchtower is wrong. Jesus Christ didn't die on a stake. If the Watchtower couldn't get that right what else did they get right? How can you trust it to lead you to eternal life? We can trust the Holy Bible. Do you want me to read to you from the holy scriptures what it says about Jesus? |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 10:49pm On Mar 03, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:Thanks Sir,i'm OK with facts backed with historical evidence. Jesus could only have died on a cross if the Roman Empire uses cross to execute criminals but if not then it simply means something is wrong somewhere Sir. My father is not the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses group so i've got nothing to gain or loose for supporting them,until we agree on the instrument used by the Roman authority to execute criminals during the first century, let's hold onto each others belief {your Jesus died on the cross according to the KJV} and {my Jesus was impaled on a stake according to the NWT + facts from the history of Roman Empire} God bless you Sir! |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by OLAADEGBU(op): 11:52pm On Mar 03, 2019 |
Maximus69:The difference between us is our source of authority. Mine is the infallible word of God and yours is the Watchtower magazine. My authority says that there were more than one nail that was used in the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ which proves that He died on a Cross. My authority also tells me who exactly Jesus is. Jehovah spoke through the prophet Isaiah: "I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22). We know only Jehovah is God. He further says in verse 23 "I have sworn by myself...that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear" So if every knee will bow to only one being, who is that one being? "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11) If we only bow to God alone, then Jesus must be Jehovah and both are the same God. You must believe that we must only pray to Jehovah, right? If yes, then you would have read in Acts chapter 7 where Stephen was being stoned to death but he saw Jesus standing at the right of the Father. Who did Stephen pray to? He prayed to Jesus and Jesus received his prayer and his spirit because Jesus is God. After Jesus died and rose again, He appeared to 'doubting Thomas' and Thomas called Him "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28). If Jesus is not God then that's blasphemy! But Jesus accepted Thomas' worship because Jesus is God. Remember the words of Isaiah the prophet that I quoted earlier. "I am God and there is none else" (Isaiah 45:22). The apostle Peter testified of our Lord Jesus Christ to the high priest, saying: "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). Matthew 1:22-23 fulfils the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14. Mary, a virgin, bore a child. That child, Jesus...was called "Immanuel" which means "God with us." Jesus lived a perfect life. People tried to find fault in Him because He did things only God was supposed to do. (See Mark 2:5-7; John 10:31-33). Evil men beat Jesus, then killed him the Roman way; by crucifixion and remember the 2 nails print on His hands (John 20:25). Three days later Jesus raised His own body from the grave, just as He promised. Only God could raise His own body (See John 2:19-21; 10:17-18). Do you know this Jesus? |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 7:23am On Mar 04, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU:Good morning Mr Olaadegbu hope the weekend was splendid,if so let's glorify God in his infinite mercy! You've made yourself clear enough for anyone to grasp the type of Jesus you chose,as we read in the Bible there are more than one Jesus and he himself foretold that in our time many will have different ideas about him just as many of his contemporaries also had different opinion about him. Matthew 16:13-20 So the contradictions or complications about his identity is not a new thing,that is the more reason why each and every interested person need to be sure of his/her source of information. Matthew 5:3 Your presentation regarding the personality of Jesus is clear to me Sir but i'll prefer that of the JWs more due to thorough comparisons and harmony with historical facts. I believe Jesus is coming to judge the world NOT due to whatever each person calls him{Matthew 7:21-23} but on how obedient they are towards his commands! Matthew 7:24-27,28:20 So whether someone say Jesus is his/her driver,butler,cook,cleaner,gardener,gateman,messenger, farmer,carpenter,barber even housekeeper all that Jehovah requires of such a person is obedience to all instructions perceived to have been issued by Jesus of Nazareth. Jehovah spoke directly from heaven 'this is my SON the beloved,continue obeying him',but if you're convinced now that the one who spoke from heaven is still the same person he presented as 'my SON' it's OK, the admonition is just to continue obeying Jesus' instructions that' all. John 3:16-18 |
| Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 3:57pm On Mar 04, 2019 |
Janosky:My brother Maximus69, no how we dey? I hope your day dey fine.. That link to jw.of, the paragraph 10 , pls read it again, to get the sense of it. There's no reason ( s) to refer to fellow brothers in the faith as "half baked jw". This is a public forum,any JW who wishes to, is free to participate, where appropriate. However, we do not interact nor communicate with apostates, whether online or offline, in accord with the biblical principle of Numbers16:1-3,20-27,31-35. 1Cor5:1-13. Jahbless. |
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