Tundesam923:
true that! Diva wr don't win on the big stage, but the Steelers have been unlucky to be in the same division with a team that had bill belichick and Tom brady( Patriots) and belichick has always done what he knows best- take away your best weapon which has been AB and allow big Ben to beat them with his arms which we both know how that has ended and injuries too have played a role in this guys not winning together

Why didn't Belichick take away Julio Jones in the Superbowl? The truth is Antonio Brown is easier to shutdown than the likes of Jones and Hopkins. I'm a Steelers fan and I've seen Antonio get locked down by lesser defensive masterminds than Bill Belichick.

No long yarning. Ben has shown he can win in the past. Let Antonio Brown go and prove he can without Ben

Tundesam923:
it was not about what obj and Hopkins were making per year per se, but the guranteed money. They did give him a 19 million signing bonus( his last extension with the Steelers), but that was all. That was the guranteed upfront. The new salary is actually 18.333 million,( and you need incentives to get to that- pro bowl and all) and obj makes 18 million per year. so it really was about the guranteed money. And we both know he ain't no big Ben, so the Steelers could not do anything to that contract.

I have no qualms with Antonio wanting more money. My problem is with how he chose to go about it, dragging the organization that made him who he is today through the mud and making it sound like he was being ganged up against and playing the victim instead of just coming upfront and telling us it was all about the money all along like Bell did

Julio Jones had similar situation with the Falcons and didn't become an embarrassment to his organization.

Money is very important but if he fails at Oakland he is putting his Hall of Fame credentials in jeopardy

A40:
Why didn't Belichick take away Julio Jones in the Superbowl? The truth is Antonio Brown is easier to shutdown than the likes of Jones and Hopkins. I'm a Steelers fan and I've seen Antonio get locked down by lesser defensive masterminds than Bill Belichick.

No long yarning. Ben has shown he can win in the past. Let Antonio Brown go and prove he can without Ben

whoa!!! I ain't going there o. Julio Jones is mind bending awesome(they did lose and heartbreakingly at that Sha). And hopkins? The dude has glue in his hands. I think maybe bill has more film on them- the same division and all and it's not like ab has being a dud against them...far from it. The ish is that Brady has always outdueled big Ben and it ain't close. Hopefully, it goes well for both of them in their respective teams. Got no bone in this at all...colts all the way for me!

A40:
Why didn't Belichick take away Julio Jones in the Superbowl? The truth is Antonio Brown is easier to shutdown than the likes of Jones and Hopkins. I'm a Steelers fan and I've seen Antonio get locked down by lesser defensive masterminds than Bill Belichick.

No long yarning. Ben has shown he can win in the past. Let Antonio Brown go and prove he can without Ben

are you saying they are better? Not Hopkins . The dude just got a good qb- deshaun Watson, so let's see how It goes when they start getting to the playoffs regularly, but Julio Jones is better than Antonio brown? Receiving yards? Maybe, but overall production goes to ab

A40:
Why didn't Belichick take away Julio Jones in the Superbowl? The truth is Antonio Brown is easier to shutdown than the likes of Jones and Hopkins. I'm a Steelers fan and I've seen Antonio get locked down by lesser defensive masterminds than Bill Belichick.

No long yarning. Ben has shown he can win in the past. Let Antonio Brown go and prove he can without Ben

I agree with everything you said but the embolden and that is because AB is not just a WR for the edges, he can also play slot receiver which we have witnessed severally. He is a threat on so many angles in comparison to someone like Julio whom I respect a lot. Have you wondered why Julio does not have enough touchdowns when the play is at the red zone? Julio is more dangerous when the QB still has ground to cover in comparison to the end zone. Over the last 2 seasons, the biggest issue for the Falcons has been how to locate Julio in the red zone so they can increase his TD percentage. Since 2016, Matt Ryan has had 1 of 20 when he targets Julio in the red zone and that includes playoff games, that stat is not a fluke. Even Mo. Sanu had more endzone touchdowns than Julio.

All I am saying is that in comparison to AB who can run all kinds of offensive schemes including RB, Julio is limited and can be covered especially when he is doubled at the end zone. Now, Hopkins is another animal on his own!!

Steve Kerr said he's tired of Draymond Green after the loss to the Suns

Tundesam923:
whoa!!! I ain't going there o. Julio Jones is mind bending awesome(they did lose and heartbreakingly at that Sha). And hopkins? The dude has glue in his hands. I think maybe bill has more film on them- the same division and all and it's not like ab has being a dud against them...far from it. The ish is that Brady has always outdueled big Ben and it ain't close. Hopefully, it goes well for both of them in their respective teams. Got no bone in this at all...colts all the way for me!

The blame lies more on the defense than Ben. The previous year we lost to them at home after that Jesse James TOUCHDOWN that was wrongfully canceled Antonio was pocketed by Stephon Gilmore.

A lot of times we lose to the Pats it's mostly down to the defense not being able to keep the game close. My point anyways is that Big Ben made AB and not the other way round like the media is trying to spin. Let's see how Antonio fairs when he doesn't have elite QB's throwing his way and feeding him 10-15 targets a game. Larry Fitzgerald that warned Brown is not crazy, he's a WR and knows how a great QB can help a receiver

Tundesam923:
are you saying they are better? Not Hopkins . The dude just got a good qb- deshaun Watson, so let's see how It goes when they start getting to the playoffs regularly, but Julio Jones is better than Antonio brown? Receiving yards? Maybe, but overall production goes to ab

Deshaun just played a full season this year. Hopkins has been dealing with rubbish QB's his first 4 years in the league before Watson (who's hardly elite btw). Osweiler, Keenum and other QB's so bad I can't remember them.

I didn't say Julio is better than Antonio I only said Julio Jones is a tougher receiver to cover than AB. Brown is a lot more consistent, a better route runner (which is 70% of what makes a good receiver) and overall the better receiver

A40:
Your article is literally corroborating what I said ab initio.

We took a calculated gamble paying AB in advance after his second deal. Had he failed the Steelers would have been slandered for extending a second rounder after two seasons. People always go on and on about these things as if the league is not filled with players who flop after getting huge deals.

Besides most of the cap juggling moves were made due to paucity of funds and not because they didn't want to pay Brown. He was made the highest paid receiver and the Steelers policy is well known when it comes to these contracts. Everybody is subject to it even Big Ben

My point is that he did not flop after the contract and every thing he did was about getting that guaranteed money

Roland17:


I agree with everything you said but the embolden and that is because AB is not just a WR for the edges, he can also play slot receiver which we have witnessed severally. He is a threat on so many angles in comparison to someone like Julio whom I respect a lot. Have you wondered why Julio does not have enough touchdowns when the play is at the red zone? Julio is more dangerous when the QB still has ground to cover in comparison to the end zone. Over the last 2 seasons, the biggest issue for the Falcons has been how to locate Julio in the red zone so they can increase his TD percentage. Since 2016, Matt Ryan has had 1 of 20 when he targets Julio in the red zone and that includes playoff games, that stat is not a fluke. Even Mo. Sanu had more endzone touchdowns than Julio.

I'm a Steelers fan my gee. There are countless games I've seen AB shutdown in single coverage never mind double.

It's tough to gauge how good or how bad Julio is in the red zone. Jones does not get anywhere as close to the number of targets a guy like Brown gets in the red zone.

https://www.thefantasyfootballers.com/articles/fantasy-football-film-study-is-julio-jones-a-poor-red-zone-wr/

This is an article breaking down most of the Red Zone targets in that season I listed above

Roland17:

All I am saying is that in comparison to AB who can run all kinds of offensive schemes including RB, Julio is limited and can be covered especially when he is doubled at the end zone. Now, Hopkins is another animal on his own!!

Julio is not as skilled but is a tougher cover IMO. One QB just has a better ability to get his receiver the ball in the redzone than the other

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/redzone-receiving.htm

Mere looking at this list and the number of Steelers receivers in the top 30 of red zone receiving and targets that should tell you one is playing with a QB that is better at getting the ball to his receivers in shorter fields

Khanben:


My point is that he did not flop after the contract and every thing he did was about getting that guaranteed money

There are more adult ways to advocate for more money. Why make it sound like the team was the problem and act like a complete child when all you simply wanted was more money.

Odell beckham traded to Cleveland browns!!! . Whats going on? Is it Eli Manning get his way or what? Another qb that Cant do no wrong? I don't understand o....

Tundesam923:
Odell beckham traded to Cleveland browns!!! . Whats going on? Is it Eli Manning get his way or what? Another qb that Cant do no wrong? I don't understand o....

I think the Giants should have moved on from Eli when the heat was on him 2 seasons ago but of course the media blew his benching out of proportion and he reclaimed his spot.
I think the Giants are in full rebuilding mode again if you look at the trades they have completed. I just feel bad for Barkley who may spend his prime playing for a non playoff team, especially if you consider the shelf life of a RB. They were few pieces away from being a good team.
The Giants gained in some sorts if you consider Odell is a diva and a lot of distraction and they are not sure about his health since his last surgery. I thought the Giants should have fought for the Foles sweepstakes but at some point they have to draft a good QB.
The Browns are getting rewarded for all the tanking they allowed us endure. Hopefully they can put it together and compete in the AFC North.

LMAO @ James Dolan. Bro banned a fan from the arena for asking him to sell the Knicks.

Roland17:


I think the Giants should have moved on from Eli when the heat was on him 2 seasons ago but of course the media blew his benching out of proportion and he reclaimed his spot.
I think the Giants are in full rebuilding mode again if you look at the trades they have completed. I just feel bad for Barkley who may spend his prime playing for a non playoff team, especially if you consider the shelf life of a RB. They were few pieces away from being a good team.
The Giants gained in some sorts if you consider Odell is a diva and a lot of distraction and they are not sure about his health since his last surgery. I thought the Giants should have fought for the Foles sweepstakes but at some point they have to draft a good QB.
The Browns are getting rewarded for all the tanking they allowed us endure. Hopefully they can put it together and compete in the AFC North.

they really should have . The dude was crying after being benched, so.... even me I felt bad for him, but am still trying to understand how you trade away your best player. Are skill position players that expendable? Wr is a different animal from rb ...dare i say they are after the qb, maybe the left tackle, then the wr on the order of importance. The giants are just poorly run...this is a classic case of another qb getting what he wants. They(obj and Manning were not on very good terms last season) good riddance to manning- a QB that was never even elite( someone who won 2 Superbowls and still is not a shoo-in for HOF). I like this deal for obj, a much better qb and you can't double him when you have Jarvis Landry to worry about and calloway ain't no joke either

And if you are in a rebuilding mode, don't you get rid of Eli too and Barkley also to get more picks

Tundesam923:
And if you are in a rebuilding mode, don't you get rid of Eli too and Barkley also to get more picks

Nobody will give more than a 4th or 5th round pick for Eli as it stands.

Tundesam923:
they really should have . The dude was crying after being benched, so.... even me I felt bad for him, but am still trying to understand how you trade away your best player. Are skill position players that expendable? Wr is a different animal from rb ...dare i say they are after the qb, maybe the left tackle, then the wr on the order of importance. The giants are just poorly run...this is a classic case of another qb getting what he wants. They(obj and Manning were not on very good terms last season) good riddance to manning- a QB that was never even elite( someone who won 2 Superbowls and still is not a shoo-in for HOF). I like this deal for obj, a much better qb and you can't double him when you have Jarvis Landry to worry about and calloway ain't no joke either

You may be right about them becoming expendable if you look at what Oakland did with Amari Cooper and now Odell and AB, albeit the latter 2 were huge distractions to their respective locker rooms. The combination of Jarvis Landry and Odell would be a delight for Mayfield and the coaching crew. My only hesitation with the Browns is that they love to run the RPO (Run Pass Offense) because of Mayfield who enjoys running with the ball, thus extending plays. This will be different for Odell who is used to a Pistol formation and a QB that sits in the pocket and throws to the 1st route. Odell will have to learn to continue to make cuts and new routes when Mayfield extends plays by running with the ball. Mayfield would have to perfect his throwing capabilities so they can maximize both wide receivers.

I also hope the Browns understand that an Odell, Mayfield combination may become toxic inside their locker room if they are managed properly.

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Eli has been a terrible Quarterback for the last 4 seasons at least. The Giants are pretty much finished for the foreseeable future if they don't get rid of him

Khanben:



Nobody will give more than a 4th or 5th round pick for Eli as it stands.

I would not give a Seventh round pick for Eli Manning

Hardetayour:
Steve Kerr said he's tired of Draymond Green after the loss to the Suns

Can you blame him? He's shooting 25% from three, averaging 7pts per game and isn't holding it down on the defensive end anymore so his antics would definitely start to annoy you

What exactly are the Chiefs doing? Firstly, you release OLB Houston, well, may I get that one, especially when you consider he is a vet and you can free up cap space. But, I am scratching my head about trading Dee Ford. The man has been beasting for 2 seasons.

A40:
Can you blame him? He's shooting 25% from three, averaging 7pts per game and isn't holding it down on the defensive end anymore so his antics would definitely start to annoy you

Make I see whether dem go pay am next year when he becomes a free agent.

Ibaka needs to leave the NBA and join the UFC. This is his 4th fight in how many seasons now

Roland17:


Make I see whether dem go pay am next year when he becomes a free agent.

Lmaooo. I might even let him walk. Green does not look like a guy that will age well. This is why the Patriots are so great, they usually know when a player is past it and let them go

A40:
Ibaka needs to leave the NBA and join the UFC. This is his 4th fight in how many seasons now

I would have suspended for the rest of the regular season because this is not his first infraction, neither is it his 2nd or 3rd.

Khanben:



Nobody will give more than a 4th or 5th round pick for Eli as it stands.

lmao...if any self. Is it the broncos, jaguar and who? They already have flacco and foles, but in an hypothetical situation, am just wondering what team would even go for him? Hmmm. Buffalo bills? Maybe Josh Allen could learn? What exactly? Lolz. He really is washed

Roland17:


You may be right about them becoming expendable if you look at what Oakland did with Amari Cooper and now Odell and AB, albeit the latter 2 were huge distractions to their respective locker rooms. The combination of Jarvis Landry and Odell would be a delight for Mayfield and the coaching crew. My only hesitation with the Browns is that they love to run the RPO (Run Pass Offense) because of Mayfield who enjoys running with the ball, thus extending plays. This will be different for Odell who is used to a Pistol formation and a QB that sits in the pocket and throws to the 1st route. Odell will have to learn to continue to make cuts and new routes when Mayfield extends plays by running with the ball. Mayfield would have to perfect his throwing capabilities so they can maximize both wide receivers.

I also hope the Browns understand that an Odell, Mayfield combination may become toxic inside their locker room if they are managed properly.

expendable or not, there are some players that are transcendent regardless of their positions...obj is one. You don't trade those kind of players. And the guy is less of a nuisance than say AB, so am really still so confused about this trade. And a lot of teams run the rpo now... New York Giants run rpo? Laughable..that offense is anemic now, no inventiveness whatsover. foles with the eagles run it well( still have my doubts how he would perform in another offense) mahomes too. Am sure obj would be alright. ND Mayfield should be too

Tundesam923:
expendable or not, there are some players that are transcendent regardless of their positions...obj is one. You don't trade those kind of players. And the guy is less of a nuisance than say AB, so am really still so confused about this trade. And a lot of teams run the rpo now... [b]New York Giants run rpo? Laughable..[/b]that offense is anemic now, no inventiveness whatsover. foles with the eagles run it well( still have my doubts how he would perform in another offense) mahomes too. Am sure obj would be alright. ND Mayfield should be too

I said the Browns run the RPO with Mayfield while the Giants run the Pistol with a QB who sits in the pocket which would be contrasting styles for Odell.

Roland17:


I said the Browns run the RPO with Mayfield while the Giants run the Pistol with a QB who sits in the pocket which would be contrasting styles for Odell.

I know. I just meant that new York would not ever run that kind of offense. That's all I meant. I got what you were saying...he's has not being in an offense that runs the rpo.

Tundesam923:
I know. I just meant that new York would not ever run that kind of offense. That's all I meant. I got what you were saying...he's has not being in an offense that runs the rpo.

Oh okay. This year's offseason trade is the most active I have seen in a long time. A lot of moves have been made and many more to come. I think teams will continue to bolster until after the draft which is next month.