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| Re: ...... by Frenchkiss564: 10:46am On Apr 07, 2019 |
I pray this thread gets back on its feet insha Allah. |
| Re: ...... by Frenchkiss564: 10:54am On Apr 07, 2019 |
Empiree:Assalamu alahykun bro. Will you be kind enough to help me ask the sender of this mail, where I can get the book on yaasin. I am ready to pay any amount. Or better still if you have any similar resources kindly share it with us here. |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 12:09pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
What a thread this is. I can't believe I've gone through pages 1 to 91. I mean that's wow!!!!! This is arguably and unarguably the best thread in the Islam section. Thank you for this thread emekaraj and I'm also extending my appreciation to the "middle path man" himself; Empiree , the most inquisitive mind on here; Ladunal , the utterly mysterious guy; ikupakuti |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 1:30pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
However, there are two impressions or insinuations or notions or implications I'd like to correct. 1: the idea that the salafi don't believe in spirituality. This has never gone down well with me—not 'cos I'm a self-proclaimed salafi, absolutely not, in fact eschew and detest all sorts sectarianism. My standpoint on this is hinged on first-hand experience. Do you remember a post you made much earlier on the thread about a lecture by an ustaz titled why we left tijaniyyah, Empiree? That ustaz is someone I know pretty well, and obviously he's salafi. I've known him for over 10 years and in fact, if I go to my father's house I offer salat in his masjid, as yet are in the same vicinity. When we (my family) moved into our house back then was when we met him, and he was favoured by us all. My mother, most of her life, could only eat very little food then. My late father (may Allah SWT forgive him) approached this ustaz and explained condition of my mother. He asked my father to a key of water and prayed in it for my mother to drink. The rest, they say, is history. She's been eating all right since then but of course, not like me ![]() Did i mention she had been taken everywhere, as in everywhere, hospitals, churches, baba alawo, alfas, everywhere. After the remarkable improvement in her eating, my father thought, why not if not. He approached this same ustaz again but, this time, on behalf of my Abuja-based elder sister. She had been having chronic pain in one of her breasts after she got married. Scans from different hospitals revealed zilch. She spent and, overspent self. She travelled Abuja to Lagos to Edo to everywhere. She went to a particular baba alawo in kubwa, Abuja. This alawo revealed everything, the village people that did it and how they did it. She was asked to do sordid and objectionable things I can't write here. When she went to the alawo the next time, the guy was singing another tune because village had gone to meet him. My sis vowed never to go to alawo again and she continued to bear pain for some more years. And today, if wherever/whatever you're taking/bringing her is not Islamic count her out. Eventually she came to Lagos to meet this salafi ustaz who prayed for and was it. Up on till now, she's still appreciative off what the ustaz did for her. This same salafi ustaz prayed for a guy that was rushed to his masjid after being hit with jazz, the guy vomited a kola nut during the prayer and got better. I can go on and on. This same salafi ustaz once said the major spiritual attacks he faces are from fellow alfas and that the jinn they sent always hanging around his masjid's perimeter fence. How could he have uttered such a statement if the so-called Alu sunnah don't believe in spirituality, huh? So, the sufis should dispel the preconception that the salafi don't believe in spiritual stuff. Perhaps the concept of or the approach to spirituality is different in both sects. Make I go pray. |
| Re: ...... by Empiree: 3:08pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
^^^ Thanks for this very useful information. Yes, I remembered the ustaz and I do listen to him in some cases. I personally don't think I rebuked all Salafis in this regard. There is no doubt that there are sub-salafis among Salafis who reject Islamic spirituality. That's very clear on this platform. See solution this Alfa proffered by saying something in water for her to drink?. Some of the Salafis would reject that. They ask for "evidence". So not all Salafi reject islamic spirituality and haqiqa but most and they have different approach. It is all about rivalry from my perceptive. And I think this ustaz Qomordeen Akorede slows down from his previous approach. And I believe he's learned too. Thanks again |
| Re: ...... by Empiree: 3:09pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
Frenchkiss564:walaikum salaam. I didn't forget this. |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 3:25pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
I'm back. Cont'd. 2: believing that if you don't feel the presence of some kind of entities around you you're not close to almighty Allah SWT. This erroneous belief is so implicit on some posts on here. I got this perception from some posts after when Empiree wrote that story about a man that travelled out to New York, forgot about the sheikh in ijebu and got hexed by his wife's family for refusing to join their coven, and how the sheikh's ruhaniyah helped in nullifying the magic and what not. Someone wrote something like: what of us without ruhaniyah....? My view is, even without ruhaniyah, Allah will nullify any dark magic and deal with the evil doers in so far as you're prayerful. He will do so with or without your knowledge. By way of practical illustrations of this: Trottle (username on here), some pages back, shared a story of a jambite sister who stayed with a school mother out something. And how the school mother kinda swapped her qarin with the jambite sister's. As a result, their fortunes turned around. The school mother that was hitherto doing badly started doing well and the sister the other way around. The sister did not know what was happening, of course. Then she was told the virtues of suratul Mulk, and started reading it every time and hey presto, her good fortunes returned. The school mother also got back her ill fortunes. According to trottle, the sister still doesn't know of this revelation and he only got to know 'cos the sister's malim ( who must have spiritually discerned what was happening) to him. Lemme quickly chip in this: when one of my brothers-in law was gonna be promoted to a very juicy post where he works, the guy who currently occupied that post then didn't wanna let go and spitting fire, and was telling people what he w gonna do to my in law. After the whole shebang, my in law got the post effortlessly and that easy it. About five years later, this diabolical guy came running to my sister's hubby and started begging for forgiveness. Prior to his showing up in my in law's office, the guy had been terribly ill. He almost lost his life to the sickness. And when he got a bit better he rushed to my in law forgiveness and asking their co-workers to beg on his behalf. What I'm driving at his Allah SWT was seriously dealing with this after the evil he must have done but my sis hubby didn't even know what was going on. My sis hubby no be alfa oo.. In fact, he learned to read Al quran after he got married to sis, I think or shortly before. However, this guy doesn't sleep. He observes tahajud and read Al quran every night continually since I've known him. He doesn't have ruhaniyah or any entity bent to his wills by Allah. Thus one doesn't need to have a ruhaniyah before Allah SWT will help you destroy and conquer even the most darkest of magic. Perhaps if one had a ruhaniyah the process of destroying such dark magic would be relayed to one by the entity. Allahu allam |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 3:28pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
Empiree:You're welcome, my bro. Please finish the story. Abeg |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 3:50pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
Empiree:At the emboldened, I think you're right. I remember when an alfa, a friend of father's, married one his daughters to a salafi guy. When the sister got pregnant she and the salafi husband would reject all the antu made for her by the alfa (her father). And she was to put to bed, natural delivery wasn't possible and was to have CS. The father was unaware of this, but he finally caught wind of what was happening rushed to the hospital and said to the salafi hubby "if my daughter die, I will kill you myself" and said something like you people only know quran you no fit use am. LOL.. After the confrontation he gave the daughter antu and after a few minutes, by Allah, we dey hear a new born baby's cry. So you're right, bro. |
| Re: ...... by Empiree: 4:21pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
aadoiza:Maa Shaa Allahu Laaquwata ila bilah. This is called REALITY. Perhaps, the brother would have a second thought by now. Indeed, what's the point of Quran you know and memorized without making use of it. |
| Re: ...... by Empiree: 4:23pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
aadoiza:on transit and heading back home now. Will commence in few days, In Sha Allah |
| Re: ...... by LadunaI(m): 7:06pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
aadoiza:U 're welcome bro. |
| Re: ...... by LadunaI(m): 7:08pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
Empiree:Fi A'manlilaah. Safe trip! |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 9:54pm On Apr 11, 2019 |
Empiree, please can you gimme the In-depth meaning of Quran 106 (quraish) vs 4. This is particularly for those who believe all asiri (secrets) are jinn-based and that their's no such thing as asiri. I was starting to share that belief, no thanks to salafi aqeeda, but the short events I'm about to narrate killed it off. When I was in jss 2, an alfa gave my mate and me the above ayah to recite whenever any teacher would wanna beat us. We were three sitting on a desk and had like 4 rows of 7-8 desks in a row in our class. We were occupying the first desk on the second row. One day, Mr salami (a teacher) came into our class and said he was gonna beat the whole class for noise making. We (my 2 friends and I) got scared and recited that ayah a few times. After beating all the students on the first row, he proceeded to our desk ( the first on the 2nd row) as one of my friends stretched out his hand to receive his cane, someone just bumped in and said: Mr salami, won bere yin l'office and he left immediately. It must have been a coincidence, right? Another time, it was the same teacher making same accusation. We recited the ayah like the last time. However, after beating all the students on the first row, he unbelievably and surprisingly skipped our row completely and proceeded to the third row and flogged the remaining students. Did someone just say he probably did that to avoid beating a student he liked? Again we were to be beaten, but this time, by another teacher. He/she beat the first row approached our desk, my guy at the end the teacher was approaching stretched out his hand to be flogged, but surprisingly, the teacher pushed my guy's stretched hand away with his cane and moved to the desk behind us and continued to flog everyone else. My friends and I missed a business studies class, the Mistress had threatened to deal with us in the next class, the following week , we recited the ayah. Our tests used to be conducted on Weds and Thurs but were moved to Tues and Wed (the 2 days we used to have that class). The following week, she missed her classes and then the week after that was exams. Na so Allah SWT save us then. We are not even alfas, just 3 young lads and could do something, however insignificant they may be, with a quranic verse. Now just imagine what those babas could do with these verses, just imagine for a second. I think the main problem they have is with that word 'asiri' (secret). May be our sufi people should help us find a better or more acceptable word to be used in its place. Salam |
| Re: ...... by Empiree: 3:40am On Apr 12, 2019 |
aadoiza:yes, I did read the sister's story. It is just unfortunate that some people think that without experiencing some sort of entity as you said means they are not close to Allah despite their Dua. This is wrong notion unfortunately. People need to understand that when I narrated stories with respect to this, those who experience these entity do not tell anyone except to the like minded. They generally do not tell their clients either. They only say to them Allah did it. However, there is this yórùbá saying that, "olohun ko ni so ka le wa ran wa lowo"... That He sent someone to carry out the task under His Ultimate supervision. We seen clear examples of these in Quran and Sunnah. For instance, the story of baby Musa (as). There was a reason for his stuttering. He put forth his hand to reach out for the jewellery instead of the coal, but Jibra’il (peace and blessings be upon him) turned his hand away and placed it in the tray containing coal. He picked up a piece of burning coal and put it in his mouth and so burned his tongue. The Pharaoh was thus fully satisfied that the action of Prophet Musa (peace and blessings be upon him) was not due to mischief but the result of a child’s inability to distinguish between good and bad for himself. This incident caused an impediment in his speech which has been called “knot”(“عُقْدَةً”) in the Qur’an. My point is, Allah used "middle man" to perform the task. He didn't do it Himself. Yet Jubril could not have done the task without Allah's permission. Likewise the story of Nabi Ibrahim (as) when he was thrown in hell. Jubril service was used by Allah. Another example is gathering of muslims doing dhikr reported in the hadith, that Allah asks Angels what His servants wants?. These are illustrations to show that Allah used agencies of His messangers (angels) to perform these tasks. He could do it all by Himself and He did it. These "middle men" are the reality or haqiqa. Another example is all these Allaah's Names including so called 99 Names are Beings in charge of them. If you invoke these Names, for instance, Ya Hayu Ya Qayum, you get to see the reality of what it is. The same is true of tranquility or Sakeena. It is Allah's Name in which a being borne out of it when you invoke or recite a sura like khaf or mulk. You feel sense of tranquility. It is Angelic being called Sakeena according to a mufasir. Another story was narrated by sheik Rabiu Adebayo (babaloworo). He said he was given Allah's Name by a friend to invoke for 7 days without seeing sun. Lock himself in his room with good niyah. Sheikh only did it for 3 days when a Being appeared to him in human form from nowhere. This Being bent down and erased his mistake and then disappeared. Sheikh didn't know what he did. He was just looking at him until he left. He then looked down to see what he did and he shouted "Allahu Akbar". Sheik didn't know that he had been making mistake in the pronunciation of the names given to him. Sheik concluded that if you think that's a human being you must be sick. Bro, there are lots of things in our body. They are Allah's Names and Attributes inside us as human regardless of religion. We only need to activate our ruh to feel them. They are with us 24/7. The closer we get to Allah the more we feel them. But they are not necessary. They are not our focus but Allah. So sheik Rabiu said "if you experience these things, you should know that you just have to keep it to yourself because they can't be explained. People will misunderstood you". He said this is haqiqa. These things only elevate our dãrãjã and closeness to Allah and knowing Him. It doesn't mean those who experience them worship them. This is false. To reach this grade is not easy but it is easy to talk about the sweetness of it. There are no shortcut. Remember Wasiu Sadiq's song in the 90s. "Atiba Olohun duro ma lo'soro. Ati ri aranse re iroruni". When Allah brings ease some muslims may detest it because it is unusual. For instance my grandpa was blessed with ruhaniya. And we already know that ruhaniyun go by Allah's Commands. Ruhaniya will overwhelm you with Dua and you must do it. He may wake you up in the middle of the night to give you prayers for tahajud. It is a test. It is not easy at all. But if you overcome the ease will be sweet because you just upgraded to another level. So my grandpa only used his ruhaniya to get him fresh fish from the sea daily. See how Allah made it easy for him. He got fish and made stew with it. Iròrùn lobade. Those who experience these things in most cases are alhudhikr with ikhlas. This is ilm haqiqa which is being rejected today. |
| Re: ...... by Empiree: 3:53am On Apr 12, 2019 |
LadunaI:Thanks. I am back oto NY |
| Re: ...... by Empiree: 4:21am On Apr 12, 2019*. Modified: 2:39am On Apr 14, 2019 |
aadoiza:Subhanallah!. you have just testified to one of Allah secrets that some called "asiri". I dont think we need to argue this since you bore witness yourself. The reason it is called "asiri" is simply bcus there is Allah's Name called Al Baatin "The Hidden". To know more you gonna have to visit those baba that are on haq. They dont run their mouth anyhow in public. They are have "asiri" indeed. So asiri nbe faah. But i understand many alfas today have abused it. Thats their problem. I need to buttress your point by calling attention of my brother lanrexlan. He sent me whatsapp message few wks ago about a brother who was amongst the victims of robbery but he was not robbed when he recited this ayah in sura Yasin. Ayah 9. Please read the meaning. When armed robber lined them up and requested that they should all empty their pockets and bags, by the time they reached the brother who recited Yasin verse 9, they skipped him and jumped to the next. They did not see him at all. I feel sorry for us muslims today. We think that Quran was only active those days and its karama are outdated. Alhamdulillah that many are recently confirming what i have been saying all these years. Now, some of the salafis would have problem with Yasin verse 9. Not that they dont believe in the ayah but they would say "where is your daleel(hadith) that you should say the ayah at that particular time?". You see this is a very silly methodology. As for your request, i think i opened a thread about that ayah in form of a question. It is easy to just read over the ayah either in arabic or english translation without pondering over it. Point i need in the ayah is ju'in. Ju'in is not just about fasting or abstinence from food. Ju'in also means to starve yourself of everything within your capacity. Your eyes, nose, legs, hands, private area, belly and so on must feel the ju'in. In so doing, your spiritual status is elevated. This is just a brief. There is hadith of Aisha(ra) about this. It was said that she was asked what is ju'in?. So ju'in is not only abstaining from food. |
| Re: ...... by YUNGCONCEPT11(m): 6:39am On Apr 12, 2019 |
Empiree:EGBON EMPIREE, Oga Ladunal, Oga aadoiza please for Allah sake please keep this thread moving, there are many of us that we don't comment but we learn alot from this topic please may Allah Swt continue to be ur sustainer Amin |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 10:19am On Apr 12, 2019 |
YUNGCONCEPT11:We will try our best. In fact, Kudos to Oga Empiree. He's been the lifeblood of the Thread. |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 10:44am On Apr 12, 2019 |
Empiree:Allahu Akbar. The salafi ustaz I referenced earlier has extolled the power thus ayah, but I think there's a very significant event attached to it during the life Nabi SAW. When the enemies were waiting outside of Nabi's to attack him or something. He made his way and none of them, including a disguised shaytan, could see him. Ever since I heard of that event I have kept that ayah as my most potent disappearing spell, but never used it. You're right about that ayah quraish vs 4. After posting about it yesterday, I read the meaning again and, for the first time in 20 odd years, was able to relate it with those events that I narrated. |
| Re: ...... by movado19: 10:45am On Apr 12, 2019 |
Jumma Karim to you all. At the bolded below, it is the complete truth! In fact, we really do not know all the goodness it does for one, but the ones I am personally aware of is that Yasin verse 9; when recited while driving will ALWAYS make you invincible to police, road thugs, etc When recited over your luggage or bags, posessions, etc, will not get missing, destroyed. When recited at airport, customs officers will bypass you and ask you to go without interrogation or opening your bag. This is FACT! I don't mean one should engage in reckless driving or put contraband in your bag, no! You have to do and act right always. But there are instances where you over-speed without even knowing at that time or a police just sees your face and pulls you aside for questioning - just say bye-bye to such things because they will NEVER see you. They can even be driving behind you and then overtake you to pull over someone else in front of you. This is the strenght of that verse 9 by the will of Allah. Honestly, there is no verse of the quran that does not have its own miracle, but we just don't know what they are. I believe this is a life-long quest to discover them and glorify Allah even more because they are gifts from him to our ummah. You either seize the opportunity or loose it. It's all up to you. Empiree: |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 11:11am On Apr 12, 2019 |
Empiree:I love this exposition. On the issue of ruhaniya, I have not come across any material on them. The sufi-turned salafi alfa I know, believe they could be be jinn, he's not so certain. After having read most of what you've written about your sheik and his ruhaniya and the references you made to some other sufi shuyuk differentiating between malaika, ruhaniya and jinn. I had a deep reflection of the enigma and said to myself: a guy like me is never gonna encounter any spiritual entity, be it jinn or ruhaniya or what not. As a result, I'm never gonna be able to tell if some of these entities actually do exist, but will that be ample reason to not believe in them? Then I told myself provided we believe these shuyuk telling us about ruhaniya are/were pious, and humble servants of Allah SWT I will take their words for it; I'm going to believe them. That is it for me. |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 11:17am On Apr 12, 2019 |
movado19:Oh my word!!! Bro, you have just expanded the scope of this a most efficient and powerful ayah for me. Thank you. |
| Re: ...... by YUNGCONCEPT11(m): 11:56am On Apr 12, 2019 |
ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ALLAHU AKBAR ISLAM IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION |
| Re: ...... by Empiree: 12:15pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
aadoiza:You know Jinn, Muslim jinn are also able to help a Muslim. I like the way sheikh muhammad Mustafa Ashile briefed the issue of ruhaniyun. He said when rosulallah (saw) was asked about 'ruh' and his reply was the knowledge therefore was only with Allah. The Sheikh said because of this Ayah ruh is not something that Allah intends for everyone to know. It is meant for the elites. If everyone knows about it it would be longer be valued. It is only for specific. There are Sufi who use Jinn as well. Not that it is Haram as long as they do not cross the line of Sharia. But once jinn is giving you conditions to fullfil your needs please stay the heck away. Thats evil one. So ruhaniyun exist. I confirmed from different Alfas and they said the same thing. Sheikh Daud Alfa Nla, a sheikh in Canada, my Sheikh. The last one I confirmed from is a young Alfa in ilorin. He clarified saying ruhaniyun are not Jinn. Years ago when I asked my sheikh he said I don't like jinn that much. Although he used to play around with them in his early stage when he was in Somolu before ruhaniya emerged. Jinn give charm but ruhaniyun give Dua. They have limited charm but in halal manner And they want you to love them. This is where it is dangerous. The love should not be too much. You go insane you dress like mad man but you think you dress like normal human being. You feel like malaika. Nothing humans do will attract you anymore. You don reach another level be that ooo. This was the status of amir awliya As-sheikh Jamiu Bulala(Rohumohu'Lahu). So I don't mean "love" as in human sexual relationship. But love as in love to make Dua, tahajud, sadaqa and they will love you. They love you more when you always meet their demands. Again, I don't mean demands as in condition to do something for you but demands as in they give you this Dua to do and you do it. They give you Yasin 1,111 to finish in a month and you do it. Etc. They do not get something in return other than you give sadaqa to the poor. So how can a Muslim who reaches this status now turn around and request from ruhaniya to steal money from the bank?. If you make such request you are doomed. Haram Haram and Haram all the way and you being to lose them. But Jinn can do this with conditions. They may tell you do stand on Quran at night and make poop on it and eat your poop. It is crazy |
| Re: ...... by Empiree: 12:18pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
Maa Shaa Allahu Laaquwata ila bilah. Thank you for this. On point. movado19: |
| Re: ...... by movado19: 1:10pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
aadoiza:You are welcome. |
| Re: ...... by movado19: 1:31pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
aadoiza:This is the level of thinking that is highly, highly encouraged! Just because we do not see doesn't mean they do not exist. All these people can't be lying, especially if you already know them on a personal level as you and Emperee have. What we should always be asking Allah for is to grant us the inner reality of things, events, so we might understand better by His leave, and not shouting haram, bidda everywhere. As a matter of fact, I heard about Ruhaniyya when I was just entering my teens (12/13). This man was telling us that these beings called Ruhaniyya usually have a leader Ruhaniyya called/titled "Ruhaniyya Qudus", who delegates to the others below him, etc. I can't recollect everything he said then because it was some time ago, but I know for sure that he stratified them based on their functions, etc, and he said Ruhaniyya is NOT Jinn! I keep wondering how people are in such doubt after Allah said He is the Rabb of all the[b] "worlds".[/b] Q1:2 ; Q26:77, etc. |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 5:04pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
movado19:Another brother is corroborating the existence of ruhaniyun here. Wow!! |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 5:05pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
YUNGCONCEPT11:Ma sha Allah. |
| Re: ...... by aadoiza: 5:17pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
Empiree:If you can recall, ikupakuti made mention of how Laylatul qadri could fall outside of the month of Ramadan. Did ever expatiate upon that to you off this forum? Ladunal, if he did to you could you throw more light on it. Because, hmm, Oga Empiree, I have been thinking about that supposedly special night in the glorious month of Ramadan for some time, even before I came upon kuti's post. Its not that I'm doubting the word of Allah, I'm just a practical person ni. |
| Re: ...... by movado19: 5:27pm On Apr 12, 2019 |
Empiree:You are welcome. |
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