Jiang:

Omo, did you just say decades, so you be like really really real prof then, alright make I shut up

Abeg, don't shut up. Learning is a life-long process, even for "old" academics, and some of the most profound insights come from unexpected sources.

CodeTemplar:

You this APC young man, so you can make sense like this. Your political bias has tilted you a lot.

Guy gerrarrahia... PDP man!

charliboy654:

That guy is completely right, I did IT in one of Nigeria refinery, all the engineers do is maintenance, when it comes to design they send their specifications to China or German to manufactur.

for some companies that do have design houses in-country nigerians are given the opportunity to spare head designs..

vezycash:



LMAO you are perfect specimen of Nigerian schooling.

and you are?

charliboy654:

That guy is completely right, I did IT in one of Nigeria refinery, all the engineers do is maintenance, when it comes to design they send their specifications to China or German to manufactur.

If we have Nigerian engineers who are competent in maintenance of refineries, why are the refineries always down, and why does the the government give out hundreds of millions of dollars worth of contract to foreign firms for turn around maintenance.

Amhappy:
This was an academia discussion during the last NCDMB nogof. The head of ExxonMobil trading school said that they don't put fresh Engineering graduate from Nigeria in their system without first sending them to at least 20months training school but graduates from abroad can be absorbed straight. The curriculum is outdated and no relevant internship as IT aim is not achieved. IT students are turned to errand boys. When COREN was asked what they will do about it,he was just speaking grammar.

Thank you for sharing this.

Fresh Engineering graduates from Nigerian Universities going from classroom straight to factory may only be useful for technical reporting. Smart ones can be trained as operators or maintenance technician on short term. For long term engineering practice however, they have to be shipped abroad to unlearn, relearn and re-certify to meet up with global best practices.

COREN is the primal enemy of Engineering in Nigeria. They are more interested in titles and professional dues than the profession itself. Before you can be called a Doctor or Lawyer, you must pass through medical school or law school respectively, where you will learn your craft and rudiments of professional practice in your field. Mediocrity isn't tolerated. But what's the case in Engineering in Nigeria? You'll be rolled out straight from University to work place, inadequately prepared. There was a time some great thinkers came up with the idea of SITSIE (Supervised Industrial Training Scheme in Engineering). SISTIE if implemented will make it mandatory for all Engineering graduates (after bagging HND/B.Sc/B.Eng/B.Tech) to undergo mandatory 2years tutelage (like law school) in the industry under registered professional engineers. They'll only be able to go for NYSC after completing SITSIE and becoming junior professional Engineers (Registered with practice license). The idea was never implemented and we are now wondering why we are here. COREN is not sincere. They know what the issues are but they are unwilling and too weak to push for legislations that will address the issues. Most of those who lead COREN today are not passionate Engineers. They don't love the profession for what it is. They only love it for what they can benefit from it.

Dothraki:
Engineering undergraduates study old theories from Way past generation, that is of little relevance to modern engineering. The university system teach so many calculation, and almost nothing on how to apply these mathematics to solve real life problems.

Many of theories learned aren't useless jargon, since we arent taught how to praticalise most of those knowledge, 99.99% of all engineering graduate would have forgotten what they learned by the time they graduate.
We only remember what is useful to us, what help us get through, or things we do constantly. Everything else, our brain trashes it.

Its quiet disturbing Most of the engineering student only read to pass. Which makes one question, are we in school only to pass some paper? If so, modern technology would not have existed at all.
Our primary purpose of studying engineering is to apply scientific discoveries to solve practical problems in the society. But unfortunately the system only made us to study only for grade.
Without practicing what we learn our brain will eventually discard everything as useless

An average engineering graduate does not remember 90% of what he learned in five years, I tried to go through some of my jottings from 300l, i was suprised because it all seem strange to me.. i couldn't remember a thing from the calculations l did with my own hand. A friend of my who have have a very much good grade have the same experience.

Apart from the abstractions of studying engineering in nigeria, most of the curriculum is old, we spent so much time studying theories that should be thought as a mere history. No wonder there havent been any groundbreaking engineering achievement from Nigerian universities

Majority of the engineering jobs that involve applying engineering maneuver will be given to foreigners. Innoson motor employs foreigners to do All of its engineering design, our Nigerian graduate work as if they are
mere technician. Engineering graduate will never apply most of the theories they learn at school. lot of our graduate who are lucky to find job in engineering companies work as a maintenance engineer. Whenever they need new designs or innovation, they hire foreigners to do the job, this is quite sad in my opinion. They have made mockery of 5 years of lifes. Quite sad

is ur country Nigeria not a scam?, you should ask yourself that question first. secondly who cares if your curriculum is obsolete or not, or does their children(the ruling class) study for degrees here in Nigeria? how well you answer this questions determines how well you appreciate the topic you posted?

Dothraki:
you keep proving my point
If i remember corectly, 80-90% of university curricula is focused on design, thats why we do so much heavy mathematics. I find it funny when you guys replace it with jargons like supervising, plan, etc
Any fool can do that, you dont need university degree to plan or supervise. Our primary goal of going to school is to implement what we have learned

You just proved me right

Peace bro

I know u think u av made a point but sincerely, u sound like a non-engineering student. I am confident you are the biggest problem of yourself. You are one of those who believed the many lies told by ur lazy predecessors who don't want to learn & not ready to change their mindset. How can u say anybody
can supervise or be among the planning team of a project? Am I talking about turning garri or frying yam project? Any street boy cannot supervise. Do u even know what's supervision? I'm stunned!

U went ahead to say 80-90% of engineering scheme is design? Do u even know what's design? Damn Man.... I give up!

You would av had a valid argument if u say the Nigeria govt are not doing more to encourage engineering profession in terms of internship, training, jobs, companies etc. Don't ever be fooled into thinking that the theories u were taught are outdated or useless. They're relevant till tomorrow. Go to uk, india, Canada... the way u are taught in a classroom is how they're taught. The only difference is a bit more exposure to real life situations. The theories are same ogbeni. Please, tell ur young ones studying engineering to be focused in Nigeria since u av clearly lost track.

CodeTemplar:

You this APC young man, so you can make sense like this. Your political bias has tilted you a lot.

and funny enough e dey abroad dey work dey support illiterate as president for nigeria.. e dey country wey dey work dey push support for the sufgerings we wey dey nigeria dey endure..

RealBadBoy:

I know u think u av made a point but sincerely, u sound like a non-engineering student. I am confident you are the biggest problem of yourself. You are one of those who believed the many lies told by ur lazy predecessors who don't want to learn & not ready to change their mindset. How can u say anybody
can supervise or be among the planning team of a project? Am I talking about turning garri or frying yam project? Any street boy cannot supervise. Do u even know what's supervision? I'm stunned!

U went ahead to say 80-90% of engineering scheme is design? Do u even know what's design? Damn Man.... I give up!

You would av had a valid argument if u say the Nigeria govt are not doing more to encourage engineering profession in terms of internship, training, jobs, companies etc. Don't ever be fooled into thinking that the theories u were taught are outdated or useless. They're relevant till tomorrow. Go to uk, india, Canada... the way u are taught in a classroom is how they're taught. The only difference is a bit more exposure to real life situations. The theories are same ogbeni. Please, tell ur young ones studying engineering to be focused in Nigeria since u av clearly lost track.

why do you keep twisting my word?
I know people like you, have no understanding what engineering is and what they are supposed to do.


Outdated? yes but i never said they are useless . So many people here who are far more experienced than you have raised so many valid point.

Unless you are able to tell us what mathematical equation you apply daily in your workplace or the theory that you have used to solve a complex practical problem.
Just shift and keep quiet

I just learned something today, so many "engineers" only go to school to pass exam and be conferred with many engineering title without the ability to do anything. Or
You are just a typical example
Just drink water and he happy with your salary


I will no longer respond to you again. You obviously lack common sense

Peace

Let me give you the 411 on how to make it as an engineering student studying in Nigeria.
1. Love Engineering. Have a genuine interest in it and be good at it.
2. Get good grades in whatever school you are admitted to, please as much as you can, attend a federal university
3. By good grades, I mean no less than a second-class upper
4. Get a scholarship and travel out of the country for your masters and PhD.
5. If you don't get a scholarship after your first degree, do your masters right here in Nigeria and get good-grades
6. By good grades I mean no less than proceed to PhD grade. If you can, get a distinction.
7. Publish your first degree and second degree original essay in a reputable journal
8. Patiently and prayerfully look for a scholarship to do your PhD.
9. I PROMISE YOU, YOU WILL ALWAYS GET THE SCHOLARSHIP...I PROMISE YOU. Just stick to these 8 rules.
10. STAY OVER THERE if you are not sure of a good job back home in Nigeria.
NOTE: THE ABOVE RULES ARE FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T AFFORD A FIRST-DEGREE OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY. IF YOU HAVE RICH SPONSORS AND CAN AFFORD IT, BY ALL MEANS, TRAVEL OUT FOR YOUR EDUCATION.

vezycash:


You may be right. However, one thing you may have forgotten is this: With most Nigerian lecturers, those who successfully copy and paste what the lecturer thought them pass. Those who do oversabi and add their extra have issues. And this happens even in private universities.

That's the reality of our situation.





You're right about the little tools - I'm yet to hear of any engineering class in the country doing metal works - you know, basic engineering. HP started as a tool maker.

As for making excuses for the useless theories universities give answer this:

Out of the following three students, who will become able to drive a car at the end of their schooling:

The who has read all about cars, knows the theory behind driving, can name the car parts, understands the role of friction, injection motors, drag, heat...

OR

The one who is seated in the passenger seat and ONLY watches as the instructor drives and knows some theory behind cars.

OR

The one who knows nothing about car theory. Seats on the driver seat, starts the car and drives with the instructor seated by his side?

Its on record that Great Engineers , Mathematicians, Physicist doctors and Technical men were rarely Rich and Powerful... Hp, Micheal Dell, Bill gates,steve Jobs, siemens, Bosch.....These men are Great Business men able to identify and harness engineering Talents around them...Using them as case studies for Engineers forgeting the likes of Brinnel, ackerman, shannon, bernouli shows You never loved Engineering in the first Place ....Many Engineers strive all their lives to solve all aspects pertaining to a problem without ever thinking of financial rewards........ Do you know that the mathematics and engineering for wireless charging in the galay s10 was already invented in the 18th century by Nichola Tesla but had to wait till the 21st century to make reality......He must have been looked at with dispair that you could wirelessly tranfer power in his day, but his ideas are reality.......

Ops, I'm a civil engineer though not registered but working towards. I quite agree with you but not in toto, we use most basic principles, the one u tag therioes calculations in real life application such as gussians elimination method in numerical analysis to design and to generate system equation to suggest the minimum numbers of pumps required at a particular point and so many areas in the field.
Where the issue is most us depend mostly on what we learn in school and never bother to improve on it or how it's works. The fact is, those theories are the basic u need to build yaself couple with creativity.
My issue is not giving the opportunity to prove ourselves, both government and private sector prefer foreign expatriate than home Base.

Please where do we put political science

wirinet:


Gbam.
Nigerian educational system is just cram and pass, and then obtain paper qualification. Most don't even understand how what they crammed apply to real world situation.
Although I studied architecture, I have a very curious mind. I must know how things work. That's why I was never religious. I broke our TV when I was young just to know how TVs work. And I did not stop until I learn R-C oscillator circuits, modulation and demodulation of radio frequency signals, etc.
I have asked a group of graduates to explan the real meaning of sin30 and WHY it is 0.5. Non was able to answer correctly. Everyone knows sin30 is 0.5, but how many graduates and even post graduates know why?

My brother, I've learned a lot of things on YouTube with just simple illustrations than I've learned my entire life as an electrical engineering student. Our educational system is messed up and needs a quick intervention. Imagine a mechanical engineering student telling me that an airplane works with Voodoo, a mech engineering student doesn't understand simple aerodynamics. I give up bro.

Thanks all

vezycash:


What you just said is similar to this:

My [father, mother, aunty, uncle, neighbor, or teacher] molested me as a child. Despite that, I worked hard and now work at [NASA, CBN, Toyota, Dangote...]

So people who see this molestation survivor story will conclude that molestation makes people successful?

Besides, your Norther brother story does not add up. You didn't mention the year they traveled. 1970, 1980? Cos it's gotten increasingly difficult. You also didn't how rich their fathers are. You also didn't state if they just got the job based on their Nigerian qualifications ALONE or if they went back to school.

Soyinka supposedly got 3rd class in Nigeria, went out and redid his university education. So his Nigerian schooling made him who he is today?!




Yes - you are absolutely right. The level of laziness repulses me on so many levels. The use of internet for absolute nonsense is appalling. However, people typically respond - not to words but to action and incentives.

And by this i mean, in many Nigerian universities, it's an open secret that what you read doesn't matter in the least. It's buying handouts, lecturer text books, and sending your appreciation money a.k.a. sorting that really matters.

So can we really blame the kids? I say this because I studied both here in Nigeria and Ghana. First year Nigerian students in Ghana didn't read. They assumed that they would fail regardless of their efforts. By their 3rd semester, the change was stark. They read more, listened more in class and consequently did way better than they did in this country.



Incentives like I mentioned earlier go a long way. We are in a country where your pali - the certificate is what matters the most. What's in your head is a secondary, or tertiary concern.

I'm a life long learner. You can check my previous posts, I own over 8000 udemy courses. However, employers really don't care.

I interviewed in a place at Ikeja where I told them learning was my hobby. And was flat out told, it's irrelevant to their operations. Did another interview at lekki and was told that I was lying about the number of skills I possessed - content writing, marketing, web design, fast typing, graphics design. They were unfazed even after demonstrating a bit of my web design, writing, and typing skills on the spot.

The koko is that our society doesn't value knowledge, skill - else the person who actually knows the job would earn less than someone who is useless but has a degree.

Until this changes, oga, you're preaching to the air.

Making a lot of sense bro.

obailala:
I studied mechanical engineering in Nigeria and did my masters in a UK uni. I would say the biggest thing the UK masters did for me was to boost my confidence in myself; it helped me realise that contrary to my earlier thoughts that I learnt nothing in my Nigerian Bachelor's, the fact is that my foreign colleagues were not better than me knowledge-wise, they were only just more confident. And with time, I gained my own confidence too.

You currently work in the UK then? I'm a 3rd year elect elect student and I'm thinking of masters abroad where do you think is the preferred destination money wise..

maishai:


Its on record that Great Engineers , Mathematicians, Physicist doctors and Technical men were rarely Rich and Powerful...

True

maishai:
Hp, Micheal Dell, Bill gates,steve Jobs, siemens, Bosch.....

Bill Gates came from a wealthy home. It was his mother that asked the CEO of IBM to consider dealing with small businesses. Without this IBM would never have done a deal with the tiny Microsoft.

maishai:

Great Business men able to identify and harness engineering Talents around them...

Yes, are our schools producing these Talents?

maishai:

Many Engineers strive all their lives to solve all aspects pertaining to a problem without ever thinking of financial rewards........

Nikola Telsa was a prime example of this and he died poor, broke and alone in a hotel room with almost every of his patents stolen or swindled from him by GREAT business men. For instance, Telsa invented wireless communication but didn't patent it. Marconni read Telsa's work, patented it and is thus, the thief is known as the father of wireless.

maishai:

Do you know that the mathematics and engineering for wireless charging in the galay s10 was already invented in the 18th century by Nichola Tesla but had to wait till the 21st century to make reality......

Not quite. He actually achieved it. I've watched the documentary and read his autobiography. He built a tower for wireless transfer of energy. It worked. But it got burned down and the business men refused to give him money to build another one because Tesla wanted to use it to give free electricity to the world and the business man Westinghouse didn't see any way to profit from giving free electricity to the world.

Also Tesla's arch enemy was Thomas A. Edison the founder of General Electricity

charliboy654:

U are in the right path already, and am not more experience, I only graduated last year, currently doing my service, I realized I was wasting my time studying elect engineering at yr 3 too. In coding I do web development ui, ux and backend, also plan on getting a job, save n leave the shithole.

Ok thanks.

CodeTemplar:
1. To start with, Engineering is largely design oriented and not building or development as people like to claim.

2. The Nigerian University system is set up to produce research focused or academic focused graduates and most practical Knowledge we ignorantly ask for from the university system is suppose to be acquired in polytechnics and Tech Colleges.

3. Your lecturers too were taught theories and don't expect them to teach you practicals even if they put in extra effort to get the practical knowledge they posses themselves.

4. the university isn't a place for practical focused skill acquisition. Polytechnics and technical Colleges are.

5. The average Nigerian is delusional and expects too be spoonfed with great ideas and their implementations. As engineers, they give you a knowledge of engineering principles and it is left for you to use your imagination to create things out of the principles you have learnt. In accounting, student are taught its principles and nobody takes them to a real life accounting dept to work, It is up to you to figure out what goes in where as you work with those principles.

I need you message directly probably with your email. Kindly pm immediately

Dollywood:
Educational system in Nigeria is trash, u only learn theories. In here we only read and study for grades don't expect much.. The country is backward the best way is to study engineering aboard for more outstanding practical knowledge. Pray for Nigeria

Not true. Medicine, nursing and law are thought at Nigeria university yet they are applied to real life situation. Those courses are practical oriented to a large extend

MyGeneration:
The worst scam is banking and finance.

The fact that I am getting enough likes says a lot, I wonder why in some jobs only engineers are allowed to apply, only people with law degrees are allowed to be lawyers, only people who read medicine are allowed to be medical doctors and lawyers.

But come to the bank engineer is working as banker, even medical doctors, even psychology. Then what's the use of the banking degree. I find this totally unacceptable.

Banking and finance is not just a scam its almost use less in Nigeria

You forgot that those persons from afore mentioned discipline would further their career by doing professional masters related to finance.

Dothraki:
I really appreciate all the responses coming from well meaning Nigerians. Who actually UNDERSTAND how things work in reality.

The problems with a failed system are:
1) Those who are responsible for keeping the system up and running but fail in their responsibilities.
2) Those that defend the system and are out of touch with the realities of the failed system.
3) Those that manage without voicing out.

obailala:
Guy gerrarrahia... PDP man!

You are mistaken I am not a party man talk less of PDP.

The thing is that engineering thrives on plenty theories. But not the way many people understand theory.
Let's say we want to build a transportation system that works by teleporting matter. We will start by theorizing on motions of particles; nature of particles; etc. Basically, we will be asking questions and answering them as logically as possible while conducting experiments to find out for sure. We need to theorize a lot as we dont know how things can go well or go wrong. Even, in the process of a discovery we ask more questions. This can be called basic science. Applied science is related to that. It builds on what already exist. Just expanding knowledge in order to converge.
Now, let's say you now discover how to teleport an atom successfully, next is to use this knowledge to solve a practical problem which contributes values. The applicable skill required to design a workable solution is Engineering. Then, we still need the step by step means of executing the engineering solutions. This will include manufacturing techniques and testing programs.
After you have the components that are already manufactured to achieve the goal, your technicians and artisans help to put them together according to procedures.
Now, a lot of people think that the technicians and artisans that put these components together are Engineers. No.
They even think that university education should be tailored to putting components together. Sorry! That is what technical colleges are for. Unfortunately, we do not have well structured technical education system in Nigeria. Other nations such as India on the other hand have these institutions in abundance and churned out the technicians that end up coming to Nigeria to do such jobs.
From my write up so far, one can see that our engineering curricula are not the issues per se. I have identified these problems:

1. Many students that are studying engineering courses have no real passion for the courses that they are studying. They just want to pass exams in order to start working with multinational oil companies where the main engineering works are probably done in western countries since most of the companies are of western countries origin.

2. Incompetent lecturers: a lot of the lecturers are grossly inadequate and they do not improve themselves. Some are even in the lecturing roles to appropriate benefits to themselves.

3. There no real national challenges that force our institutions to deliver engineering innovations. Most infrastructural need are solved using contracts (albeit inflated) to foreign companies. Even our military needs are all bought as packages solutions. Our leaders do not understand value creation.

4. Our society is a 'belief' and not a 'thinking' one. Creativity is sacrificed on the alter of religion and superstition.

5. Our national economy thrives on corruption that feeds on ignorance of the masses.

Engineering in Nigeria is a big big scam.




I got discouraged at 300 level.... Same old theories, no new innovations. Incompetent lecturers who double as sadists.

CodeTemplar:

The problem is selfish and lazy attitude from student like you who blame their flaws and forgetfulness on the system.

What practical do you expect people never thought practicals to teach you? Please state some practical aspects of Engineering lets see.

people with practical knowledge and real life examples & experiences of how flawed Engineering studies are in Nigeria are speaking and you are here spewing your normal Buharists tantrums and thrash.

I got knowledge of how defective our school systems are when I went for a short course outside the shores of the country, there I met Indians who schooled us on what practical engineering knowledge is, the few Nigerians like me where just mopping at them, wondering how they acquired knowledges of such proportions within the confines of their ivy towers and our lecturers are busy scouting for political jobs and appointments and screaming "strike"

But as usual peeps like you will see nothing wrong because your lord, master and Saviour is in the saddles. If for any reason the situation where to be different, say Jonathan or Atiku mounting the reigns, you will be allover the place laying blames on the duo on how they and their cronies have looted the treasury leaving nothing behind for educational expenditures! but since its the veggie- then the Students who strive hard to keep it up studying in harsh conditions should accept the blame, while Buhari is busy globe trotting, talking gibberish and BS on things he couldn't care less about, while fanatical supporters like you are busy holding brief for him while he excretes his incompetence on the good people of Nigeria, Students inclusive!

emere007:


people with practical knowledge and real life examples & experiences of how flawed Engineering studies are in Nigeria are speaking and you are here spewing your normal Buharists tantrums and thrash.

I got knowledge of how defective our school systems are when I went for a short course outside the shores of the country, there I met Indians who schooled us on what practical engineering knowledge is, the few Nigerians like me where just mopping at them, wondering how they acquired knowledges of such proportions within the confines of their ivy towers and our lecturers are busy scouting for political jobs and appointments and screaming "strike"

But as usual peeps like you will see nothing wrong because your lord, master and Saviour is in the saddles. If for any reason the situation where to be different, say Jonathan or Atiku mounting the reigns, you will be allover the place laying blames on the duo on how they and their cronies have looted the treasury leaving nothing behind for educational expenditures! but since its the veggie- then the Students who strive hard to keep it up studying in harsh conditions should accept the blame, while Buhari is busy globe trotting, talking gibberish and BS on things he couldn't care less about, while fanatical supporters like you are busy holding brief for him while he excretes his incompetence on the good people of Nigeria, Students inclusive!

I am not a Buhari supporter or party person even. I spoke the truth and I know it.
Engr isn't about cramming how a particular technology works but understanding the principles of engineering and using them endlessly.
Can you imagine what life would be like if your lecturers decide to give you limited practical examples in a world of plenty possibilities?

Thought am the only one! This just gave me a relief and hope!

proffemi:


You make many valid points but then ruin the whole thing by defending the culture of excuse-giving that madridsta007 has consistently and rightly criticized.

Thank you.
You put it correctly. It is a tiring culture of excuse.