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alBHAGDADI:
God doesn't judge by conscience but by faith in him.

What about those who doesn't knw that God exist?

hopefulLandlord:
okay sir

sincerely waiting for you to update this comment

Offpoint:
You're going to hell bro, we're all going... read your Bible.

perhaps your brother can take my place in hell, I'm going to heaven and that's my focal point. are you debunking the reports about the existence of heaven?

calddon:
The question is; Will all righteous persons go to heaven?

Misconceptions about those who go to heaven
Misconception: All good people go to heaven.

Fact: God promises everlasting life on earth for most good people.​—Psalm 37:11, 29, 34.

Jesus said: “No man has ascended into heaven.” (John 3:​13) He thus showed that good people who died before him, such as Abraham, Moses, Job, and David, did not go to heaven. (Acts 2:​29, 34) Instead, they had the hope of being resurrected to life on earth.​—Job 14:13-​15.

The resurrection to heavenly life is called “the first resurrection.” (Revelation 20:6) This indicates that there will be another resurrection. It will be an earthly one.

The Bible teaches that under the rule of God’s Kingdom, “death will be no more.” (Revelation 21:​3, 4) This promise must apply to the earth, since death has never existed in heaven.

Mr Jehovah's False Witnesses, away with your false doctrine.

Black people with black brain,... Don't know when black will started reason with their brain instead of their heart...


There is nothing like heaven or hell,it was created by past religion leaders...

NLModsAreStupud:
perhaps your brother can take my place in hell, I'm going to heaven and that's my focal point. are you debunking the reports about the existence of heaven?

Why the hell will I debunk heaven? common dude, that's why God lives... who the hell are you to live in the same planet with God?

holuwajobar:
What about those who doesn't knw that God exist?

Are there people who don't know that God exists today? No, only lying atheists. People of old also heard about the God of Israel.

holuwajobar:
Before the birth of Jesus Christ, there was a prophecy about the birth of Christ. Whosoever believed in the coming of Christ, will surely make heaven.


Also, God will use the conscience of every man who lived before christ to judge them.

That still small voice that has always told man what was wrong and right instinctively...that voice that has always spoken to the conscience of all men right from the beginning of time..that is the voice that will judge all, including those who never heard the gospel before they died..my forefathers didn't hear the good news but they knew that killing was wrong, that stealing or coveting your neighbours property or wife was wrong..the Bible said that all the laws were fulfilled in one..'Love your neighbours as you love yourself'..every other thing na jara..so anyone or people who didn't hear the good news but lived in peace and love will be judged righteous before God.

alBHAGDADI:
Do you even understand the passage you quoted at all?

Please you that understand explain.

Jesus that could not save himself from being nailed on a tree suddenly becomes your saviour, I wonder why Jesus pray and fast for forty days and forty nights to whom and for what reasons, his prayer was not answered according to your scripture , yet he was crucified like a condemn thief.

Jesus is seriously angry with you for comparing him with GOD, on judgement day he will bear witness against you and denied he never told you to worship him as three gods along side with GOD, the concocted lies against GOD by the roman Catholic has done the greatest harm to humanity.

In the bible jesus admitted on his own he can do nothing.
In the book of mark a man walk onto Jesus and said good teacher what can I do to inherit eternal life, Jesus said why do you call me good no one is good except God alone,

Jesus admitted he is not good, he is not GOD, he is not any way equal to God, yet you people shout his name for saviour , equalised him with God, practising polytheism in disguise. You transform the birthday of an idol triune gods to his birth day, and continue your blasphemy against the innocent Jesus, the better you realised and stop believing fuckery stories from the white deceits, the better for you.

alBHAGDADI:
When we tell people today that Jesus is the only way to heaven and that you have to truly believe in him to go there and not end up in hell, they reject our message. They immediately start to make excuses to show that they don't need Jesus. Some of them say they are fine without him because they have their own religion and will make heaven through that way, even when Jesus said he's the way, the truth and the life.

The most ridiculous excuse they give is that if one cannot make heaven without accepting that Jesus Christ as the son of God died, was buried and resurrected after 3 days, then it means all those prophets and Bible characters are in hell right now. They say it's because Jesus was never around when they existed. This excuse makes them think they don't need Jesus and that it is cool to follow any religion so long you acknowledge God. According to them, the people of the Old Testament part of the Bible didn't follow Jesus. This is a wrong understanding of the Bible.

Every righteous man in the Old Testament believed in Jesus Christ who wasn't a character that just surfaced in the New Testament. Jesus has always been right from Genesis when God said "Let us make man in our own image". That was Jesus he was talking to. Jesus was believed by Abel who offered the blood of the lamb as sacrifice which pictured Jesus Christ the Holy Lamb of God slained from the foundation of the world. Revelation 5:9; Revelation 5:12; Revelation 13:8; Isaiah 53:7; John 1:29

Abel simply followed the instructions of God which is to put Faith in the blood of the lamb, but his brother Cain disobeyed and relied on his own effort. He felt he could earn it by doing what he felt was right instead of obeying God's instruction. He went after his own works and God rejected him for that.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

What about Abraham? That man is known as the Father of faith for he had faith in God and it was counted to him for righteousness.

Genesis 15:6
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

What did Abraham believe God concerning? He believed God when he told him that his seed would be a blessing to the entire world. That seed is Jesus Christ.

Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Jesus Christ has been a blessing to the entire world with everybody getting saved through him. If you know that the Old Testament is a a shadow of the New Testament, then you will know that Abraham pictured the relationship between God and Jesus. He did when he wanted to sacrifice his son Isaac, that pictured God sacrificing Jesus for our sins.

Moses was a strong believer in Jesus Christ and also the people of Israel in his days and after, because they all awaited the Messiah which he spoke of and that is Jesus. Sadly enough, the Israelites couldn't recognize the Messiah when he walked in their midst. Even Jesus confirmed Moses believed in him.

John 5:46
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Jesus wasn't a new testament thing. He was always in the Old Testament, but you were not seeing him. Same way the children of Israel did not notice him when he finally revealed himself to them. If I decided to show you how many times he appeared in the Old Testament, time won't be enough. Have you forgotten how Moses lifted up that serpent as a symbol of Jesus Christ death to free man from sin?

John 13:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Have you forgotten how Isaiah prophesied about his birth and death? How David prophesied his resurrection and how he will be seated on God's right hand? How Daniel prophesied his battle against the Antichrist? Yet, some people think the prophets of the Bible can't make heaven since Christians say it is believe in Jesus Christ that gets one there. They think Jesus didn't exist in their days, but below is the Bible saying the prophets were witness of him.

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

The prophets of old preached about Jesus and people believed, and that believe got them saved. That's why the Bible said...

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

How did people get saved before Christ came and died on the cross? They got saved by simply looking forward to the cross. They did animal sacrifices which symbolized the sacrifice Jesus gave of himself. We today get saved by simply looking back on the cross. Because come to think of it, Jesus wasn't crucified today or 5 years ago. He was crucified thousands of years before we were born. We look back to that event same way those that existed thousands of years before he was born and crucified looked forward to the event. We both believed everything written about him and that got us all saved.

Those that existed before the events of the birth, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ are called blessed because they believed in the prophecies written about the events by Prophets. We who exist after the events are also called blessed because we believed the record written by the Apostles about the events. We both didn't witness the events but believed and that's why Jesus himself called us blessed.

John 20:29
blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Were there people who didn't believe Jesus in the Bible? Yes, those Pharisees, Sadducees and the Jews whom they stirred up to kill Jesus. They never believed him that's why they were always arguing with him. Despite him reminding them that Moses wrote of him, they still didn't believe, which shows that they also didn't believe in Moses and the record he wrote.

Are there people who don't believe in Jesus today? Yes they are many. Some even claim they do just to save face, but really they do not. They don't believe he is the Son of God who was crucified, died and resurrected, even when he said so himself.

Mathew 16:21
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

This means they have rejected Jesus Christ and are therefore condemned already. I didn't say so but the Bible which is the word of God.

John 3:18 (KJV)
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

As seen so far, salvation is by Faith in Jesus Christ. Abraham, Abel and all the prophets had faith in Jesus and were called righteous men. We who believe in Jesus today are called righteous too. Anyone who lacks such faith is doomed. May God save you.

Say this prayer and be rest assured that nothing can ever stop you from making heaven. Nothing at all.

Father God, I put my faith in you. I believe you sent your Son Jesus to die for my sins and to give me his righteousness. I believe he resurrected on the third day and has prepared a place for all those that believe in him. Accept me as your son today and forgive me of all my sins do I can be a partaker of those good things. I believe in you.

Amen.

Thanks op, you have done very well.

Pls, go to the last two lines of the last paragraph, you will need to correct the "do" to "SO"

Thanks

calddon:
The question is; Will all righteous persons go to heaven?

Misconceptions about those who go to heaven
Misconception: All good people go to heaven.

Fact: God promises everlasting life on earth for most good people.​—Psalm 37:11, 29, 34.

Jesus said: “No man has ascended into heaven.” (John 3:​13) He thus showed that good people who died before him, such as Abraham, Moses, Job, and David, did not go to heaven. (Acts 2:​29, 34) Instead, they had the hope of being resurrected to life on earth.​—Job 14:13-​15.

The resurrection to heavenly life is called “the first resurrection.” (Revelation 20:6) This indicates that there will be another resurrection. It will be an earthly one.

The Bible teaches that under the rule of God’s Kingdom, “death will be no more.” (Revelation 21:​3, 4) This promise must apply to the earth, since death has never existed in heaven.

assuming all the death resurrected, where will they live. This our tiny Earth Land Mass, or on The ocean.

alBHAGDADI:
When we tell people today that Jesus is the only way to heaven and that you have to truly believe in him to go there and not end up in hell, they reject our message. They immediately start to make excuses to show that they don't need Jesus. Some of them say they are fine without him because they have their own religion and will make heaven through that way, even when Jesus said he's the way, the truth and the life.

The most ridiculous excuse they give is that if one cannot make heaven without accepting that Jesus Christ as the son of God died, was buried and resurrected after 3 days, then it means all those prophets and Bible characters are in hell right now. They say it's because Jesus was never around when they existed. This excuse makes them think they don't need Jesus and that it is cool to follow any religion so long you acknowledge God. According to them, the people of the Old Testament part of the Bible didn't follow Jesus. This is a wrong understanding of the Bible.

Every righteous man in the Old Testament believed in Jesus Christ who wasn't a character that just surfaced in the New Testament. Jesus has always been right from Genesis when God said "Let us make man in our own image". That was Jesus he was talking to. Jesus was believed by Abel who offered the blood of the lamb as sacrifice which pictured Jesus Christ the Holy Lamb of God slained from the foundation of the world. Revelation 5:9; Revelation 5:12; Revelation 13:8; Isaiah 53:7; John 1:29

Abel simply followed the instructions of God which is to put Faith in the blood of the lamb, but his brother Cain disobeyed and relied on his own effort. He felt he could earn it by doing what he felt was right instead of obeying God's instruction. He went after his own works and God rejected him for that.

Hebrews 11:4
By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

What about Abraham? That man is known as the Father of faith for he had faith in God and it was counted to him for righteousness.

Genesis 15:6
And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

What did Abraham believe God concerning? He believed God when he told him that his seed would be a blessing to the entire world. That seed is Jesus Christ.

Genesis 22:18
And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Jesus Christ has been a blessing to the entire world with everybody getting saved through him. If you know that the Old Testament is a a shadow of the New Testament, then you will know that Abraham pictured the relationship between God and Jesus. He did when he wanted to sacrifice his son Isaac, that pictured God sacrificing Jesus for our sins.

Moses was a strong believer in Jesus Christ and also the people of Israel in his days and after, because they all awaited the Messiah which he spoke of and that is Jesus. Sadly enough, the Israelites couldn't recognize the Messiah when he walked in their midst. Even Jesus confirmed Moses believed in him.

John 5:46
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Jesus wasn't a new testament thing. He was always in the Old Testament, but you were not seeing him. Same way the children of Israel did not notice him when he finally revealed himself to them. If I decided to show you how many times he appeared in the Old Testament, time won't be enough. Have you forgotten how Moses lifted up that serpent as a symbol of Jesus Christ death to free man from sin?

John 13:14
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Have you forgotten how Isaiah prophesied about his birth and death? How David prophesied his resurrection and how he will be seated on God's right hand? How Daniel prophesied his battle against the Antichrist? Yet, some people think the prophets of the Bible can't make heaven since Christians say it is believe in Jesus Christ that gets one there. They think Jesus didn't exist in their days, but below is the Bible saying the prophets were witness of him.

Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

The prophets of old preached about Jesus and people believed, and that believe got them saved. That's why the Bible said...

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

How did people get saved before Christ came and died on the cross? They got saved by simply looking forward to the cross. They did animal sacrifices which symbolized the sacrifice Jesus gave of himself. We today get saved by simply looking back on the cross. Because come to think of it, Jesus wasn't crucified today or 5 years ago. He was crucified thousands of years before we were born. We look back to that event same way those that existed thousands of years before he was born and crucified looked forward to the event. We both believed everything written about him and that got us all saved.

Those that existed before the events of the birth, death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ are called blessed because they believed in the prophecies written about the events by Prophets. We who exist after the events are also called blessed because we believed the record written by the Apostles about the events. We both didn't witness the events but believed and that's why Jesus himself called us blessed.

John 20:29
blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Were there people who didn't believe Jesus in the Bible? Yes, those Pharisees, Sadducees and the Jews whom they stirred up to kill Jesus. They never believed him that's why they were always arguing with him. Despite him reminding them that Moses wrote of him, they still didn't believe, which shows that they also didn't believe in Moses and the record he wrote.

Are there people who don't believe in Jesus today? Yes they are many. Some even claim they do just to save face, but really they do not. They don't believe he is the Son of God who was crucified, died and resurrected, even when he said so himself.

Mathew 16:21
From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

This means they have rejected Jesus Christ and are therefore condemned already. I didn't say so but the Bible which is the word of God.

John 3:18 (KJV)
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

As seen so far, salvation is by Faith in Jesus Christ. Abraham, Abel and all the prophets had faith in Jesus and were called righteous men. We who believe in Jesus today are called righteous too. Anyone who lacks such faith is doomed. May God save you.

Say this prayer and be rest assured that nothing can ever stop you from making heaven. Nothing at all.

Father God, I put my faith in you. I believe you sent your Son Jesus to die for my sins and to give me his righteousness. I believe he resurrected on the third day and has prepared a place for all those that believe in him. Accept me as your son today and forgive me of all my sins do I can be a partaker of those good things. I believe in you.

Amen.

Romans 2:14-16
14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Kai!!! These people are very funny sha... I need to consider studying religious fanatics more closely.

How can people just settle down and skip "common sense"?

The Lord God(Christ) took Control of Heaven and Earth from Genesis2:4. Then Matthew5:10

AkpaMgbor:
That still small voice that has always told man what was wrong and right instinctively...that voice that has always spoken to the conscience of all men right from the beginning of time..that is the voice that will judge all, including those who never heard the gospel before they died..my forefathers didn't hear the good news but they knew that killing was wrong, that stealing or coveting your neighbours property or wife was wrong..the Bible said that all the laws were fulfilled in one..'Love your neighbours as you love yourself'..every other thing na jara..so anyone or people who didn't hear the good news but lived in peace and love will be judged righteous before God.

you are right sir

olassy239:
assuming all the death resurrected, where will they live. This our tiny Earth Land Mass, or on The ocean.

God never wishes human to die.If Adam and Eve did not sin, they would still be alive now. earth can never be overpopulated.God’s purpose is that the earth be filled​—not overpopulated- Genesis 1:28. under God’s Kingdom, this will occur.​— Isaiah 55:10, 11 .

alBHAGDADI:
Are there people who don't know that God exists today? No, only lying atheists. People of old also heard about the God of Israel.

Then how will God judge our ancestors who died before the white men came to Africa to preach the gospel?

Are you saying all of them will go to hell?

If only we all understand religion And believe is a personal conviction mayb we will stop have all this banter abt which religion is superior.. to see Christans who read same bible and pray to same God have this kinda argument is just sad... Majority just following church doctrine that was made by some set of ppl.. Bible is written in plain text, read it and pray and God himslf will speak to u... Even Jesus himslf said no one shud fight for him... I don't get all this fight Nigerians go thru just to force their believe into ppl throat.. like I say only God knows who is truely serving him.

AkpaMgbor:
That still small voice that has always told man what was wrong and right instinctively...that voice that has always spoken to the conscience of all men right from the beginning of time..that is the voice that will judge all, including those who never heard the gospel before they died..my forefathers didn't hear the good news but they knew that killing was wrong, that stealing or coveting your neighbours property or wife was wrong..the Bible said that all the laws were fulfilled in one..'Love your neighbours as you love yourself'..every other thing na jara..so anyone or people who didn't hear the good news but lived in peace and love will be judged righteous before God.

Wrong.

Those whom you say didn't hear the gospel but live peacefully also worshiped idols. That's enough to doom them. Attaining Eternal life is by faith in God, nothing else, not by works.

[quote author=Skseries post=77722723]If only we all understand religion And believe is a personal conviction mayb we will stop have all this banter abt which religion is superior.. to see Christans who read same bible and pray to same God have this kinda argument is just sad... Majority just following church doctrine that was made by some set of ppl.. Bible is written in plain text, read it and pray and God himslf will speak to u... Even Jesus himslf said no one shud fight for him... I don't get all this fight Nigerians go thru just to force their believe into ppl throat.. like I say only God knows who is truely serving him.[/quite]

No one is fighting anyone here sir, this thread is just for interactions btw the christians

eodavids:
Thanks op, you have done very well.

Pls, go to the last two lines of the last paragraph, you will need to correct the "do" to "SO"

Thanks

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Robisky001:
Those that died before the coming of Christ will eventually make heaven only if they believe that he is the Christ the Son of the living God. For after his death, he went to the underworld to proclaim the good news to those under the clutches of Satan.

This one no just make sense for ear at all...
as I den won take know Jesus before em come life?

holuwajobar:
Then how will God judge our ancestors who died before the white men came to Africa to preach the gospel?

Are you saying all of them will go to hell?

They knew God before the gospel came but rejected him to worship idols.

Same way everyone living today knows about the true God, people of those days knew about the true God but chose to be decided by satan. to worship demons.

alBHAGDADI:
They knew God before the gospel came but rejected him to worship idols.

Same way everyone living today knows about the true God, people of those days knew about the true God but chose to be decided by satan. to worship demons.

Tell me, how did they know God before the gospel?

I might learn from you

[quote author=holuwajobar post=77722774][/quote]keep telling urslf that.

holuwajobar:
Tell me, how did they know God before the gospel?

I might learn from you

Missionaries always existed before now. When it was Judaism, people from Africa came to Jerusalem to worship e.g that Ethiopian Eunuch who gave saved by Philip. They return to their base with stories of the God of Israel. That is evangelism. People heard about God then, some accepted while some rejected. The Ethiopian Eunuch accepted Judaism and later became Christian.

YES

alBHAGDADI:
They knew God before the gospel came but rejected him to worship idols.

Same way everyone living today knows about the true God, people of those days knew about the true God but chose to be decided by satan. to worship demons.

Not all our ancestors served idols though. I believe some with conscience saw the evil of those days and resisted (or fought it). People with conscience are always very few in number but they definitely exist in societies.

alBHAGDADI:
Mr Jehovah's False Witnesses, away with your false doctrine.

I used the bible to raise and answer questions, how false is that? How does what the Bible clearly says become a doctrine?

I brought certain scriptures alongside thoughts to the attention of the thread, i expected that as believers in Christ that we have a common ground and thus should use the Bible as a basis for clearer understanding.

You choose to attack my choice of worship instead of presenting facts.

alBHAGDADI:
Mr Jehovah's False Witnesses, away with your false doctrine.

He has not said anything wrong. Ecc 1:4. 2pet 3:13-new heaven and earth. Rev 5:9,10.-those that rule over the earth. Isa 65:17-23.