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Jessicha:
Find it hard reading your post. There is only one new covenant and those in it will rule as Kings, any issue ??

Jesus mediate for those in the new covenant.Heb12:24

He also mediate for all men - 1Tim 2:5

Jessicha: Find it hard reading your post.

Achorladey: Fine!

Jessicha: There is only one new covenant and those in it will rule as Kings, any issue ??

Achorladey: Only ONE new COVENANT. Okay I thought as much.

Jessicha: Jesus mediate for those in the new covenant. Heb12:24

Achorladey: The only ONE NEW CONVENANT.

Here is hebrews 12:24........and JESUS the MEDIATOR of a NEW COVENANT, and the SPRINKLED BLOOD, which speaks in a better way than Abel’s blood.

Jesus indeed is the MEDIATOR of the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT.

Jessicha: He also mediate for all men - 1Tim 2:5

Achorladey: This was never in doubt the Scripture you cited states clearly that ONLY ONE MAN mediate between all men and GOD.


The final issue I have here is the comment of yours below in response to rottennaija

at 3:33pm today......

If they rule, they they must rule over SOME ... THAT is SENSE TELLING YOU and I(Jessicha), his mediator of a new covenant ISN'T for EVERYONE.

I still don't get this your position, from what I can see JESUS MEDIATES for all but the ONE and ONLY NEW CONVENANT is not for ALL. I simply don't get this at ALL.

This covenant under discussion here is his body and blood I want to believe, is it for ONLY THOSE who will RULE WITH HIM AS KINGS or for THE WHOLE MANKIND.

Luke 22: 20.....Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.

achorladey:
Jessicha: Find it hard reading your post.

Achorladey: Fine!

Jessicha: There is only one new covenant and those in it will rule as Kings, any issue ??

Achorladey: Only ONE new COVENANT. Okay I thought as much.

Jessicha: Jesus mediate for those in the new covenant. Heb12:24

Achorladey: The only ONE NEW CONVENANT.

Here is hebrews 12:24........and JESUS the MEDIATOR of a NEW COVENANT, and the SPRINKLED BLOOD, which speaks in a better way than Abel’s blood.

Jesus indeed is the MEDIATOR of the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT.

Jessicha: He also mediate for all men - 1Tim 2:5

Achorladey: This was never in doubt the Scripture you cited states clearly that ONLY ONE MAN mediate between all men and GOD.


The final issue I have here is the comment of yours below in response to rottennaija

at 3:33pm today......

If they rule, they they must rule over SOME ... THAT is SENSE TELLING YOU and I(Jessicha), his mediator of a new covenant ISN'T for EVERYONE.

I still don't get this your position, from what I can see JESUS MEDIATES for all but the ONE and ONLY NEW CONVENANT is not for ALL. I simply don't get this at ALL.

This covenant under discussion here is his body and blood I want to believe, is it for ONLY THOSE who will RULE WITH HIM AS KINGS or for THE WHOLE MANKIND.

Luke 22: 20.....Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf.

U will understand when you answer this. Since those in the new covenant will be Kings , are those over whom they rule over not excluded from the new covenant ?

After responding to that. U will grab it better

Jessicha:
By Yes, means anyone in the New Covenant will be a KING . nice

If yes, those whom they rule over ... Re they in the new covenant ? ( Rev 5:9,10) to rule as king over the earth.

Those earthly subjects, are they in the new covenant since they are not kings?

Also, I asked you.

Didn't you see that among what those in the new covenant will enjoy will be their sins forgiven? God's law written in their hearts? No one telling them to know Jehovah, for their will all know him?

So, let me guess can correctly, since you are not in the new covenant, you don't enjoy this privileges?

When Jesus spoke of his disciples as sitting on thrones, to judge the twelve tribes of Israel, it is recorded in Lu 22:30. The parallel account is in Mt 19:28. Both accounts has nothing to do with the promise of the new covenant.

In Lu 22 :30, the disciples where arguing among themselves who would be the greatest in the kingdom of God. Jesus mentioned many things, telling then how people in the world order others around. But he said among them, the greatest should be least and leaders must be servants (v26, 27)

Then showing them how different he is from world leaders, he mentioned they have been loyal to him and whatever the father has given him, he will also give them. He promised them "St. Luke 22:28 - 30" You have remained true to me in my time of trial. And just as my Father has granted me a Kingdom, I now grant you the right, to eat and drink at my table in that Kingdom. And you will sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

The same is found in Mt 19:28 where Peter asked him of their reward after living everything to follow him. There he said " St. Matthew 19:28, " I assure you that when I, the Son of Man, sit upon my glorious throne in the Kingdom, you who have been my followers will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

If you observe, the account in Mt had nothing to do with the new covenant. It is only in the gospel of Luke that you find both (new covenant and sitting on thrones) in the same chapter. So, why are they not in the same chapter in Mt but in Luke?

Also, if the sitting on thrones is literal, then it's gonna be
12 thrones
they will also eat and
feed at the tables in God's kingdom.

I didn't object that those in the new covenant will sit on thrones, because the 12 apostles of Jesus were obviously included in the new covenant (their sins are forgiven.

However, it's not only them that will sit on thrones. (The Bible mentions of the 24 elders who also sits on 24 thrones.)

Moreso, I keep repeating, the new covenant includes all true Christians because it is only those who are in the new covenant that their sins are forgiven. God's law is written in their heart and they do not need the law code to tell them to love Jehovah or show them how to love Jehovah and Jesus. It's in their heart to love Jesus and Jehovah.

budaatum:
Tatime, have you carved out for yourself some other God apart from the Lord God Almighty whose son is Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour?

You need not ask any further questions budaatum!
I know you've followed my post several times on NL and you've commended my reasonableness but now is the time to say goodbye!
If you think people from divers religious groups can also possess divine wisdom the same way you've noticed in me, then go and worship with them. But know that all what you've heard from me is coming from a group and if you're not ready to join that group, there is no way you and i could worship the same God!
For your information, it is the translators of the Bible that rendered deities of other nations with small letters. The inspired writers of the scriptures penned down the title "God" the same way whether that of Israel or other nations, the only difference is the names of each God. Today, people from all races have been deceived into worshiping different Gods but they're all thinking it is that same God who claims to be the Almighty that they're worshiping.
The one and only true God has one well organised global group of worshipers who have the same mindset, it is false Gods that deceive people into having different mindsets regarding worship.
So if you believe you're now worshiping the same God with different religious group all having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings, well i wish you the best but as for our own group if you're not a member, you can't possibly be a worshiper of our own God!

Maximus69:
Great!
My baptism comes up by June,Tatime and i were together at Daluwon few weeks ago.
So i'll find a way to invite you, meanwhile it's taking place @ Otta!

Oh great

Jessicha:
And Jesus said he is bringing them to his Father house , on earth abi ?

Check Matthew 18:13 , the same preposition is translated OVER. So nothing is wrong with what I said.
For those whom they rule over , are they in the new covenant since they are not Kings ? Simple question

St. Matthew 18:13
And if he finds it, he will surely rejoice over it more than over the ninety-nine that didn't wander away!

Jessicha:
U will understand when you answer this. Since those in the new covenant will be Kings , are those over whom they rule over not excluded from the new covenant ?

After responding to that. U will grab it better

You still don't get it. The new covenant is not for Kings. In fact, nowhere is it written in the Bible that the new covenant was concluded for those who will be Kings. It says for the forgiveness of sins. Compare Je 31:32-35 with Mt 26:28.

That was the basis for the new covenant, to replace the old. For the forgiveness of sins. Read your Bible and show me where Jesus or the Bible says 'the new covenant for those who will be Kings "

So, tell me that your sins are not forgiven by virtue of a Jesus blood and I will know you are not in the new covenant. The promise of kingship was for his loyal followers to sit on 12 thrones and judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

TATIME:
You need not ask any further questions budaatum!
I know you've followed my post several times on NL and you've commended my reasonableness but now is the time to say goodbye!
If you think people from divers religious groups can also possess divine wisdom the same way you've noticed in me, then go and worship with them. But know that all what you've heard from me is coming from a group and if you're not ready to join that group, there is no way you and i could worship the same God!
For your information, it is the translators of the Bible that rendered deities of other nations with small letters. The inspired writers of the scriptures penned down the title "God" the same way whether that of Israel or other nations, the only difference is the names of each God. Today, people from all races have been deceived into worshiping different Gods but they're all thinking it is that same God who claims to be the Almighty that they're worshiping.
The one and only true God has one well organised global group of worshipers who have the same mindset, it is false Gods that deceive people into having different mindsets regarding worship.
So if you believe you're now worshiping the same God with different religious group all having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings, well i wish you the best but as for our own group if you're not a member, you can't possibly be a worshiper of our own God!

While we humans might confuse our selves over small gods or God, the Shepherd knows its sheep.

Christian in this part of the world are misled because they have not gone back to history. The founder of the jw is an Alcott Free menson. These are cult established by the Pope or Jesuit to infiltrate and polite the word of God the Pope is an agent of the Devil. To understand more about their agender and to answer most of the question of the Jesus God issue, if you take the old and approve KJV bible and compair with the latest bilbes like the NKjv, NIV, ASV, JWB, what you will notice is that all places in the bible that gives you an understand of Jesus as God has been subtly change to confuse and misled the routine church goer. From the verses where the the prophets prophecies of Jesus Christ coming to all verses where Jesus declear himself God as well as the Trinity all has be change slightly to a different meaning to remove Jesus from the equation. But those Jw who come around and claim they know what they are reading are too stupid to take note.

Men and folk the devil is the God of this world and he know that the greatest weapon a believer has is right knowledge of God's word which is God himself. He will not seat back and just observe his downfall without with setting confusion in the bible by setting up organisation and bodies to rewrite the bible and changing this while position of Jesus Christ. Christians be aware an attempt to displace Jesus as God either by your foolishness or ignorances may directly shift your worship to the devil or may result in your faithlessness and that is what the Devil wants. Go and study cult world and their philosophy you will know that it is Jesus Christ substitution either to mary ( Lucifer), self as a god, sun bearer etc.

For more info visit amazing discovery YouTube and download prof Walter Veith lecture on the war of the bible and other related videos to help you through memory lane

budaatum:
While we humans might confuse our selves over small gods or God, the Shepherd knows its sheep.

Sorry budaatum, our own Shepherd is 'He' not 'it'.
Of course He knows His sheep, His sheep knows His voice and they know where to gather with the other sheep belonging to their owner! John 10:27 compared with Luke 17:37
Don't worry budaatum, if you're not with our group you can't possibly be a worshiper of our own God!
I know it will surely surprise you that Tatime is saying these, but that's the TRUTH. You either become one of Jehovah's witnesses to become a worshiper of my own God or go elsewhere worshiping another God!

TATIME:
You need not ask any further questions budaatum!
I know you've followed my post several times on NL and you've commended my reasonableness but now is the time to say goodbye!

That said. You know very well any goodbye is goodbye for now, for I'm certain neither of us intends to jump off the face of the earth yet.

TATIME:
If you think people from divers religious groups can also possess divine wisdom the same way you've noticed in me, then go and worship with them.

To begin with Tatime, I cannot honestly say that I have noticed "divine wisdom" in you. I'm only saying because you seem to be under the impression that I have. It might be that I don't quite know what you mean by "divine wisdom", but I have met many wise people in my very short lifetime, many who have been a lot much wiser than you and can't say any of them were from your group. That's not to say there's no wise amongst you, just that I have not met any amongst your group despite having met quite a few wise people, and members of your group..

budaatum:
That said. You know very well any goodbye is goodbye for now, for I'm certain neither of us intends to jump off the face of the earth yet.


To begin with Tatime, I cannot honestly say that I have noticed "divine wisdom" in you. I'm only saying because you seem to be under the impression that I have. It might be that I don't quite know what you mean by "divine wisdom", but I have met many wise people in my very short lifetime, many who have been a lot much wiser than you and can't say any of them were from your group. That's not to say there's no wise amongst you, just that I have not met any amongst your group despite having met quite a few wise people, and members of your group..

Well that's the stand of all the members of our global family. If you're not with us, you're not a worshiper of our God!
Goodbye budaatum, from now don't expect further response from me!

TATIME:
Well that's the stand of all the members of our global family. If you're not with us, you're not a worshiper of our God!
Goodbye budaatum, from now don't expect further response from me!

Do you control your God or he controls you?

TATIME:
Sorry budaatum, our own Shepherd is 'He' not 'it'.
Of course He knows His sheep, His sheep knows His voice and they know where to gather with the other sheep belonging to their owner! John 10:27 compared with Luke 17:37
Don't worry budaatum, if you're not with our group you can't possibly be a worshiper of our own God!
I know it will surely surprise you that Tatime is saying these, but that's the TRUTH. You either become one of Jehovah's witnesses to become a worshiper of my own God or go elsewhere worshiping another God!

You know it is a surprise, Tatime, that's why I'm delving! You're effectively saying "those who don't worship your God are worshipping satan", which rather does explain the antagonism against your group! Thank God that the Almighty God appears to have not sent that memo to all the rest of us because Christ is risen. He is risen indeed!

Happy Easter everyone. His Spirit reigns!

Jessicha:
U will understand when you answer this. Since those in the new covenant will be Kings , are those over whom they rule over not excluded from the new covenant ?

After responding to that. U will grab it better

Jessicha: U will understand when you answer this.

Achorladey: I hope I do eventually.

Jessicha: Since those in the new covenant will be Kings , are those over whom they rule over not excluded from the new covenant?

Achorladey: So what you are saying in ESSENCE is because some will RULE AS KINGS with JESUS CHRIST makes them the KEY and ONLY PARTY to the NEW CONVENANT.

To answer your question.....ARE THOSE WHOM THEY RULE OVER NOT EXCLUDED FROM THE NEW COVENANT?

NO, is my answer!

Now you see why I don't understand your position.

Jessicha: After responding to that. U will grab it better

Achorladey: I have responded to your question but I still don't grab it.

TATIME:
Well that's the stand of all the members of our global family. If you're not with us, you're not a worshiper of our God!
Goodbye budaatum, from now don't expect further response from me!

Goodbye, for now, Tatime.

TATIME:
Well that's the stand of all the members of our global family. If you're not with us, you're not a worshiper of our God!
Goodbye budaatum, from now don't expect further response from me!

Hmmm Tatime, don't tell me you have so much affection for this person!
It's obvious from your write~up that you like him so much, but he doesn't know that there is time for everything.
Well he said he found nothing special about you or your comments so i guess that's why you must say goodbye, there is no reason being friends if he not one of us!

rottennaija:
Do you control your God or he controls you?

This one can SET STANDARDS for HIS GOD.

Maximus69:
Hmmm Tatime, don't tell me you have so much affection for this person!
It's obvious from your write~up that you like him so much, but he doesn't know that there is time for everything.
Well he said he found nothing special about you or your comments so i guess that's why you must say goodbye, there is no reason being friends if he not one of us!

I never said I found nothing special about Tatime, Maximus69, please do not let satan use you! Tatime is very well known for the Tatime Test, and in fact, in helping me resolve my atheist tendencies!

budaatum:
While we humans might confuse our selves over small gods or God, the Shepherd knows its sheep.

and the SHEEP will continually listen the VOICE of the GREAT SHEPHERD.

Hebrews 13: 20-21....Now may the God of peace who by the BLOOD of the ETERNAL COVENANT brought back from the dead the GREAT SHEPHERD of the SHEEP, our Lord Jesus, 21 equip you with every good THING to do HIS WILL, WORKING in us what is PLEASING before HIM THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, to whom be glory FOREVER. AMEN.

rottennaija:
Also, I asked you.

Didn't you see that among what those in the new covenant will enjoy will be their sins forgiven?

1John 2:2 should enlighten you. Not just for sin of his disciples in the new covenant , one of which is John but the entire world will enjoy it too

God's law written in their hearts? No one telling them to know Jehovah, for their will all know him?

Matthew 28:18-20. Jesus ask them to teach the whole nation this Laws.

So, let me guess can correctly, since you are not in the new covenant, you don't enjoy this privileges?

I never said am in or not, u don't even know where I belong and you don't need to, what matters is after reading my first two response. U should br enlightened

When Jesus spoke of his disciples as sitting on thrones, to judge the twelve tribes of Israel, it is recorded in Lu 22:30. The parallel account is in Mt 19:28. Both accounts has nothing to do with the promise of the new covenant.

In Lu 22 :30, the disciples where arguing among themselves who would be the greatest in the kingdom of God. Jesus mentioned many things, telling then how people in the world order others around. But he said among them, the greatest should be least and leaders must be servants (v26, 27)

Then showing them how different he is from world leaders, he mentioned they have been loyal to him and whatever the father has given him, he will also give them. He promised them "St. Luke 22:28 - 30" You have remained true to me in my time of trial. And just as my Father has granted me a Kingdom, I now grant you the right, to eat and drink at my table in that Kingdom. And you will sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

The same is found in Mt 19:28 where Peter asked him of their reward after living everything to follow him. There he said " St. Matthew 19:28, " I assure you that when I, the Son of Man, sit upon my glorious throne in the Kingdom, you who have been my followers will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

If you observe, the account in Mt had nothing to do with the new covenant. It is only in the gospel of Luke that you find both (new covenant and sitting on thrones) in the same chapter. So, why are they not in the same chapter in Mt but in Luke?

U lied, the Greek word in that verse means to covenant.


Strong's Concordance
diatithémi: to place separately, i.e. dispose of by a will
Original Word: διατίθεμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: diatithémi
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-at-ith'-em-ahee)
Definition: to place separately, dispose of by a will
Usage: (a) I appoint, make (of a covenant) , (b) I make (a will).


He concludes with them covenant for a kingdom, they will rule as kings .

Also, if the sitting on thrones is literal, then it's gonna be
12 thrones
they will also eat and
feed at the tables in God's kingdom.

I didn't object that those in the new covenant will sit on thrones, because the 12 apostles of Jesus were obviously included in the new covenant (their sins are forgiven.

However, it's not only them that will sit on thrones. (The Bible mentions of the 24 elders who also sits on 24 thrones.)

Moreso, I keep repeating, the new covenant includes all true Christians because it is only those who are in the new covenant that their sins are forgiven. God's law is written in their heart and they do not need the law code to tell them to love Jehovah or show them how to love Jehovah and Jesus. It's in their heart to love Jesus and Jehovah.

Jesus clearly said he make a Covenant with them fr a Kingdom to sit on thrones.

New covenant has to do with ruling as Kings

Those whom they rule over are not Kings, does that not exclude them from the new covenant ?

achorladey:
Jessicha: U will understand when you answer this.

Achorladey: I hope I do eventually.

Jessicha: Since those in the new covenant will be Kings , are those over whom they rule over not excluded from the new covenant?

Achorladey: So what you are saying in ESSENCE is because some will RULE AS KINGS with JESUS CHRIST makes them the KEY and ONLY PARTY to the NEW CONVENANT.

To answer your question.....ARE THOSE WHOM THEY RULE OVER NOT EXCLUDED FROM THE NEW COVENANT?

NO, is my answer!

Now you see why I don't understand your position.

Jessicha: After responding to that. U will grab it better

Achorladey: I have responded to your question but I still don't grab it.

To answer no means u said Jesus lied.

He makes a covenant with them for a kingdom , and they will rule as kings. This he referred to as the new covenant ( from the same Greek word)


Strong's Concordance
diatithémi: to place separately, i.e. dispose of by a will
Original Word: διατίθεμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: diatithémi
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-at-ith'-em-ahee)
Definition: to place separately, dispose of by a will
Usage: (a) I appoint, make (of a covenant) , (b) I make (a will).

budaatum:
I never said I found nothing special about Tatime, Maximus69, please do not let satan use you! Tatime is very well known for the Tatime Test, and in fact, in helping me resolve my atheist tendencies!

Hmmm, that's worth commending!
But he is now telling you that if you don't resolve in your heart to join the organization that is teaching him, you can't worship his own God!
If i were you, i'll be willing to learn more about that God or forget about Tatime completely!

Maximus69:
STUPID question as usual!
Well your Papa, Mama, Uncle, Aunty, Brother, Sister, and the rest of over 8,000,000 JWs globally are the ones controlling their God. That's why all of them are coming from different rases just to set common standard for their God!
Your buffoonery has high grades, if not how can people from divers ethnicity, languages, tongues and skin colours be united under one umbrella yet you're thinking all these people are the ones controlling their God, NOT their God controlling them!

Simple question is asked.

A simple YES/NO is OK.

Save the energy Oga Maximus69 the military intelligence officer. You should know better now, after all while you are still in active service and your superiors question you on a simple yes/no answer. You definitely know how to respond.

they deceived themselves, they don't know that christ is God,they are not what they claimed,but witnesses unto angel

Jessicha:
To answer no means u said Jesus lied.

He makes a covenant with them for a kingdom , and they will rule as kings. This he referred to as the new covenant ( from the same Greek word)


Strong's Concordance
diatithémi: to place separately, i.e. dispose of by a will
Original Word: διατίθεμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: diatithémi
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-at-ith'-em-ahee)
Definition: to place separately, dispose of by a will
Usage: (a) I appoint, make (of a covenant) , (b) I make (a will).

Just as the Father makes a Covenant with Jesus for a kingdom too . and he will rule as King. Let them say the Father didn't covenant with Jesus.

That's the extent they have been deluded.

Jessicha:
1John 2:2 should enlighten you. Not just for sin of his disciples in the new covenant , one of which is John but the entire world will enjoy it too





Matthew 28:18-20. Jesus ask them to teach the whole nation this Laws.



I never said am in or not, u don't even know where I belong and you don't need to, what matters is after reading my first two response. U should br enlightened



U lied, the Greek word in that verse means to covenant.


Strong's Concordance
diatithémi: to place separately, i.e. dispose of by a will
Original Word: διατίθεμαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: diatithémi
Phonetic Spelling: (dee-at-ith'-em-ahee)
Definition: to place separately, dispose of by a will
Usage: (a) I appoint, make (of a covenant) , (b) I make (a will).


He concludes with them covenant for a kingdom, they will rule as kings .



Jesus clearly said he make a Covenant with them fr a Kingdom to sit on thrones.

New covenant has to do with ruling as Kings

Those whom they rule over are not Kings, does that not exclude them from the new covenant ?

Please come again. I think I am lost in your explanations and should include the scriptures that support your points

rottennaija:
Please come again. I think I am lost in your explorations and should include the scriptures that support your points

she already did.

The Greek word diatithemi is to make a covenant . what is that COVENANT For a Kingdom Jesus was making at Luke 22:28-30. Old or new ?

Her points were clear

rottennaija explain John 3:8 ,

Cc Jessicha, have u forgotten?