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Jozzy4:
Peter made it known his reward is in heaven. He is born again , a royal priesthood .

Romans 15:4 scripture is written for we upon whom the end of things have come. So by using " We" he was putting into consideration those Christians that will have the earthly hope of living in the New Earth.

This ones are clearly not in the new covenant . they are not royal priesthood

Simple thing

Jozzy4: Peter made it known his reward is in heaven.

Achorladey: Is the reward of all Christ followers not in heaven before?

Jozzy4: He is born again , a royal priesthood.

Achorladey: 1 Peter 2:9 But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies” of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light

Are you one of them oga Jozzy4? do you declare abroad the EXCELLENCIES of the one who called you out of DARKNESS? Are you equally LIGHT of the WORLD? Did Jesus equally made the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT with you?
Is PETER a PEOPLE?

Jozzy4: Romans 15:4 scripture is written for we upon whom the end of things have come. So by using " We" he was putting into consideration those Christians that will have the earthly hope of living in the New Earth.

Achorladey: This one must be brand new theology from Jozzy4. When Paul wrote that letter, was that statement in effect in HIS OWN TIME or it was OUR OWN TIME? Reference to "FOR WE UPON WHOM"

Jozzy4: Christians that will have the earthly hope of living in the New Earth.

Achorladey: How many HOPE do CHRISTIANS have?

Jozzy4: This ones are clearly not in the new covenant . they are not royal priesthood
Simple thing

Achorladey: You mean the CHRISTIANS that have EARTHLY HOPE?

Do tell us how they (CHRISTIANS WITH EARTHLY HOPE) are NOT PART of the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT and what is Christ MEDIATING on them for?

Jozzy4:
These guys are only trying to save their wounded egos , see rubbish reply.

Well done Girl @Jessicha

I understand how you feel. It's not easy and we are undeterred. We must get to the root of this one only covenant.

rottennaija:
I understand how you feel. It's not easy and we are undeterred. We must get to the root of this one only covenant.

It has really not been easy oooo, making COVENANT is not easy not to talk of discussing the DETAILS of the COVENANT. No be play play.

achorladey:
Jozzy4: You should just be ashamed by now.

Achorladey: Ashamed of what Oga Jozzy4?


Jozzy4: If those in the new covenant are Kings and Priest,

Achorladey: OKAY

Jozzy4: Does that not exclude Christians on the New Earth, whom are not king and priest from the new covenant ?


Is it because these CHRISTIANS are NOT KINGS and PRIEST that made them not part of the the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT? I am beginning to wonder what was CHRIST MEDIATING for since this particular set are not part of the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT.

Here is the right reply to the bolded above.

achorladey


I know that Christ has made those in the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.

I don't think u understand yourself any longer

achorladey:
Jozzy4: Peter made it known his reward is in heaven.

Achorladey: Is the reward of all Christ followers not in heaven before?

Jozzy4: He is born again , a royal priesthood.

Achorladey: 1 Peter 2:9 But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies” of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light

Are you one of them oga Jozzy4? do you declare abroad the EXCELLENCIES of the one who called you out of DARKNESS? Are you equally LIGHT of the WORLD? Did Jesus equally made the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT with you?
Is PETER a PEOPLE?

Jozzy4: Romans 15:4 scripture is written for we upon whom the end of things have come. So by using " We" he was putting into consideration those Christians that will have the earthly hope of living in the New Earth.

Achorladey: This one must be brand new theology from Jozzy4. When Paul wrote that letter, was that statement in effect in HIS OWN TIME or it was OUR OWN TIME? Reference to "FOR WE UPON WHOM"

Jozzy4: Christians that will have the earthly hope of living in the New Earth.

Achorladey: How many HOPE do CHRISTIANS have?

Jozzy4: This ones are clearly not in the new covenant . they are not royal priesthood
Simple thing

Achorladey: You mean the CHRISTIANS that have EARTHLY HOPE?


Do tell us how they (CHRISTIANS WITH EARTHLY HOPE) are NOT PART of the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT and what is Christ MEDIATING on them for?

You don't understand yourself any longer . this public display of shame is getting interesting .

Refer to my reply before this and read your own quote

rottennaija:
Since you have to offered to answer for her. Let's continue here.

The apostle Peter wrote in 2 Peter 3:13
But we are looking forward to the new heavens and new earth he has promised, a world where everyone is right with God.

1. Is the writer (apostle Peter) included in the 'we'
?

2. At the time of writing, was he also looking forward to the new heaven and a new earth? Or just new heaven or new earth?

3. Are you also included in the we that is looking forward to the new heaven and new earth?

Referring again to the second part of 2 Pe 3:13, he wrote according to NWT... "in these righteousness is to dwell"

4. Is the these referring to earth alone or heaven alone or both?

Every Christian looks forward to both fulfilment and righteousness will dwell in both , but each Christian have different destinations , but all " We " 2Pet 3:13 are Christians

King and subject have different destination . rev 5:9,10

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Romans 15:1-6

1 We, though, who are strong ought to bear the weaknesses of those not strong,+ and not to be pleasing ourselves.
2 Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up.
3 For even the Christ did not please himself,+ but just as it is written: “The reproaches of those reproaching you have fallen upon me.”
4 For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction, so that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope.
5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant you to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had,
6 so that unitedly you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

On the scriptures you mentioned. I have taken the liberty to include verse 1-6. Because we don't want to make the mistake of forcing our ideas into the scriptures.

The Our in verse 4, is the apostle Paul included? You can allow other verse guide your response

Everything applies to " We " at 2Pet 3:13 , 2Peters wasn't written when Paul wrote Romans. So it applies more to WE today . basic sense

1Cor 10:11
All this was written in the Scriptures to teach us who live in these last days.

achorladey:
Jozzy4: Apostasy is likened to mental disorder,


Achorladey: A pupil will be like his teacher, one of the GOVERNING MEMBER once said that APOSTATES are MENTALLY DISEASED na LA CRAM la dale. No problem. Discussion continue. But concerning those who speak with MENTALLY DISEASED APOSTATES, who are they?

Jozzy4: Since she made it clear those in the new earth are Christians.

Achorladey: I have not said they are not CHRISTIANS.

Jozzy4: does that not backed her point that not all Christians are in the new covenant for Royal Priesthood.

Achorladey: I have repeatedly asked this question and will ask one more time, how many COVENANT are we dealing with here, as contained in Luke 22:19,20 and Luke 22:28-30?

Jozzy4: those Christians over whom they rule are excluded

Achorladey: Excluded from WHAT and HOW are they excluded?

Are those Christians who will be on EARTH not part of the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT because they remain on EARTH?

Matthew 26: 27 And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, 28 for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.

achorladey

I know that Christ has made those in the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.

U still went ahead to ask stupidly that is it because they are not kings despite typing the above.

Can't u see you have nothing sensible to say anymore ?

rottennaija:
Ready for a game of Bible ping-pong?
[s]
When any of their unorthodox beliefs come up for discussion, Jehovah's Witnesses will say, "I believe this because the Bible says [paraphrase of verse] at [chapter and verse citation]," while a more accurate response would have been, "I believe this because the Watchtower Society teaches us that this is what the Bible says."

Unfortunately, however, this is a point where most Christians believe Jehovah's Witnesses, as evidenced by the Christian's typical response consisting of Bible verses to refute the JW doctrine in question.*

So a typical Christian-vs.-JW encounter resembles a game of Bible ping-pong or table-tennis. The Christian comes up with a verse of Scripture refuting a JW doctrine, and the Witness responds with one of his or her favorite "proof" texts. The Christian responds with another verse, and the JW does likewise. Bible verses fly back and forth across the table until both parties, sweaty and exhausted, call a halt to the game.

A re-match the following week yields similar results. Even if the Christian manages to score more points, the JW is still a JW, and the Christian feels like giving up on JWs, concluding that it is pointless to get into a conversation with them.

In a sense, that conclusion is correct -- in the same sense that the primitive tribesman finally concludes that it is pointless to pour more cold water on the hot radiator in the apartment he is visiting.

In both cases failure is attributable to misdirected efforts. Those efforts might have succeeded if they had been aimed at the proper target.

Knocking down a Jehovah's Witness's belief system is similar to chopping down a tree. The woodsman who takes aim at the biggest and brightest leaves can swing his axe all day without results. So it is with the Christian who takes aim at prominent JW doctrines and starts swinging.

Witness beliefs on theology and the afterlife are attractive targets for Christians who know what the Bible really says on these matters. But those erroneous beliefs are upheld by the Watchtower Society, just as the leaves and branches are held aloft by the tree trunk.

Until the woodsman takes aim at the trunk, he swings his axe in vain. Likewise with the Christian who gets into debates with JWs over doctrine.

Rather than belabor the point, I'll conclude with a real-life example -- a close look at what actually happens when you show a JW a Bible verse that refutes JW beliefs:

Two ladies called at my door with Watchtower and Awake! magazines in their hands. I let the one taking the lead go ahead with her presentation for a minute or two, rejected her offer of the magazines, but then asked if she could answer a question for me before she left. I asked,

"Is it true that you people believe the 'great crowd' of believers will be rewarded with life on earth forever instead of going to heaven? Can you show me in the Bible where it mentions this 'great crowd.'"

"Yes," she replied, promptly opening her New World Translation, as I knew she would, to Revelation 7:9, where she read, "After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, and there were palm branches in their hands."

When I showed her the context and pointed out that the "great crowd" is pictured there "standing before the throne" of God in heaven, rather than on earth, she answered that all the earth stands before God's throne.

So I had her turn over a few pages to Revelation, chapter 19, which also speaks of the "great crowd," and asked her to read the first verse: "After these things I heard what was as a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said, 'Praise Jah, you people! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God.'"

"So, where is the 'great crowd'?" I asked.

"On earth," was her answer.

"Please read it again," I asked.

This time I stopped her after she read the word heaven and asked again where the verse located the "great crowd." "On earth," was still her reply.

"What was that last word you read?" I asked.

"It says 'heaven'," she finally admitted, "but the 'great crowd' is on earth. You don't understand," she went on, "we have men at our headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, who explain the Bible to us. And they can prove that the 'great crowd' is on earth; I just can't explain it that well."

There it is! A Jehovah's Witness can look at the word 'heaven' in the Bible and see 'earth' instead -- because that is what the Watchtower Society teaches.

It is as if JWs look at the Bible through Watchtower-tinted glasses that color the meaning of everything they read.

The same mental mechanism kicks in whether the topic is the nature of God, the condition of the dead, the future hope of Christians, or any other subject the Witness has been drilled on repetitively at Kingdom Hall meetings and in the pages of Watchtower publications.

But this does not mean that discussions with JWs are doomed to failure. Success is possible if you treat the disease rather than the symptoms, if you pour the water on the furnace rather than on the radiator, if you swing the axe at the trunk of the tree rather than at the leaves. Chop through the trunk, and the whole tree will come down -- including all the brightly colored leaves that first caught your attention.

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*JWs claim that they base their beliefs on the Bible. This is not true. (They really base their beliefs on instructions from Watchtower headquarters.) So, when Christians respond with Bible verses to refute the JW beliefs, this may indicate that Christians take JWs at their word -- that they base their beliefs on the Bible. Yes, it is important to answer them from the Bible. But progress usually comes only after proving that the Watchtower Society is unreliable and not to be trusted. Before a JW sees evidence of the Watchtower Society's false prophecies and back-and-forth doctrinal changes, he or she will usually accept the Watchtower's interpretation of Bible verses, rather than yours, because JWs see the Society as God's appointed spokesman. [/s]

Ignorantia facti

Jozzy4:
to think u presented this arrant nonsense as fact is just a reflection of how poor your basic knowledge of the bible is.

1. the great crowd at rev 7:9 are said to be coming out from the great tribulation, for Gods sake where did the great tribulation occur ? @ context

2. Rev 19:1 says a voice LIKE , or as quoted by you "as a " , as and like are simileys , it isnt describing the great crowd but a description of the voice heard by john which wasnt specified, for Gods sake this same voice is described as LIKE MANY WATERS , LIKE THUNDER ( rev 19;6. ) just a decription not an identity of the great crowd.

am not suprised u end up an atheist and disbelief in the bible , not suprising at all . this poor knowlege says it all

Good response Jozzy

Jozzy4:
Every Christian looks forward to both fulfilment and righteousness will dwell in both , but each Christian have different destinations , but all " We " 2Pet 3:13 are Christians

King and subject have different destination . rev 5:9,10



Everything applies to " We " at 2Pet 3:13 , 2Peters wasn't written when Paul wrote Romans. So it applies more to WE today . basic sense

1Cor 10:11
All this was written in the Scriptures to teach us who live in these last days.

Good. At least we can agree that the we included every Christian, apostle Peter inclusive. So the apostle Peter was also looking for a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness will.

We also agree that our includes all Christians. When the apostle wrote it in the first century, those whom all scriptures were written for was them at the time and for us too,2019 those whom all scriptures apply to are us.

Agreed?
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Then you said there will be Kings and they will be subject? The kings are to be in heaven, numbering 144000 and the subject will fill the earth, numbering well, no man can number (great crowd)


Yes?

rottennaija:
Good. At least we can agree that the we included every Christian, apostle Peter inclusive. So the apostle Peter was also looking for a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness will.

We also agree that our includes all Christians. When the apostle wrote it in the first century, those whom all scriptures were written for was them at the time and for us too,2019 those whom all scriptures apply to are us.

Agreed?
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Then you said there will be Kings and they will be subject? The kings are to be in heaven, numbering 144000 and the subject will fill the earth, numbering well, no man can number (great crowd)


Yes?

There will be kings and there will be subject . agree


And the subjects whom are not King and Priest are not in the new covenant .

Jozzy4:
There will be kings and there will be subject . agree


And the subjects whom are not King and Priest are not in the new covenant .

If you were in the first century, would you be looking for heavenly life as Kings and priest or being earthly subjects?

rottennaija:
If you were in the first century, would you be looking for heavenly life as Kings and priest or being earthly subjects?

Whatever God wills - John 3:8

Even till now there are people who look forward to heavenly life as Kings and priest .

Face the Matter, Are earthly subjects though Christians , whom are not King and Priests a member of the new covenant ? 1Pet 2:9

Jozzy4:
Whatever God wills - John 3:8

Even till now there are people who look forward to heavenly life as Kings and priest .

Face the Matter, Are earthly subjects though Christians , whom are not King and Priests a member of the new covenant ? 1Pet 2:9

You didn't respond to my question.

If you were in the first century, would you be looking for heavenly life as Kings and priest or being earthly subjects?

rottennaija:
You didn't respond to my question.

If you were in the first century, would you be looking for heavenly life as Kings and priest or being earthly subjects?

If God wills Mr Man - John 3 vs 8 read your bible. If its God desire for them , no man can stop it.

Face the matter, How does it Go against the fact that only those whom are king and priest are in the new covenant ? 1 Pet 2:9 , Luke 22:28-30

Jozzy4:
If God wills Mr Man - John 3 vs 8 read your bible. If its God desire for them , no man can stop it.

Face the matter, How does it Go against the fact that only those whom are king and priest are in the new covenant ? 1 Pet 2:9 , Luke 22:28-30

I am facing that matter, just probably not how you would want it. It's you and your fellow Jws that says only the kings are in the new covenant. My position has been that all true Christians are in the new covenant.

Now, my question is.

Is it because they are earthly subjects that made them not to be in the new covenant? Don't forget, there is no other covenants oooo, just the one and only new covenant.

Jozzy4:
If God wills Mr Man - John 3 vs 8 read your bible. If its God desire for them , no man can stop it.

Face the matter, How does it Go against the fact that only those whom are king and priest are in the new covenant ? 1 Pet 2:9 , Luke 22:28-30

By your response @bolded, they were also true Christians in the first century who it was not God's will to be in the new covenant, thereby not having the heavenly hope and not being Kings and priest?

rottennaija:
I am facing that matter, just probably not how you would want it. It's you and your fellow Jws that says only the kings are in the new covenant. My position has been that all true Christians are in the new covenant.

Now, my question is.

Is it because they are earthly subjects that made them not to be in the new covenant? Don't forget, there is no other covenants oooo, just the one and only new covenant.

If not that the enemies camp is in turmoil , your friend said he agreed those in the New covenant are a Royal priesthood or kings . If they are kings, that exclude earthly subjects whom are subjects.

Is it rocket science ?

rottennaija:
By your response @bolded, they were also true Christians in the first century who it was not God's will to be in the new covenant, thereby not having the heavenly hope and not being Kings and priest?

Everyone cannot be King , else we won't have subjects and scriptures like Rev 5:9,10 would be incomplete , New Earth would be empty. So if God wills that someone is included in the new covenant or not In the first century. Is strictly his decision.

Jozzy4:
Everyone cannot be King , else we won't have subjects and scriptures like Rev 5:9,10 would be incomplete , New Earth would be empty. So if God wills that someone is included in the new covenant or not In the first century. Is strictly his decision.

So we agreed that since everyone can't be King, some true Christians in the first century were not anointed?

Yes?

Jozzy4:
If not that the enemies camp is in turmoil , your friend said he agreed those in the New covenant are a Royal priesthood or kings . If they are kings, that exclude earthly subjects whom are subjects.

Is it rocket science ?

@bolded comment, I agree it's not rocket science.

But is also not rocket science for you to say or no to my question. So, I'll ask again, I'll need an emphatic yes or no.

My question is,
Is it because they are earthly subjects that made them not to be in the new covenant? (Don't forget, there is no other covenants oooo, just the one and only new covenant.)

rottennaija:
So we agreed that since everyone can't be King, some true Christians in the first century were not anointed?

Yes?

God knows Mr Man John 3 vs 8

From personal opinion , almost all of them in the first century have the heavenly hope as Kings. 2 Tim 2:12 if we endure, we will rule as kings.

Though some backslide and failed to endure.

.

rottennaija:
@bolded comment, I agree it's not rocket science.

But is also not rocket science for you to say or no to my question. So, I'll ask again, I'll need an emphatic yes or no.

My question is,
Is it because they are earthly subjects that made them not to be in the new covenant? (Don't forget, there is no other covenants oooo, just the one and only new covenant.)

Yes .

New covenant is for Royal priesthood - Luke 22:28-30, 1Pet 2:9, Rev 1:5,6

Jozzy4:
Yes .

New covenant is for Royal priesthood - Luke 22:28-30, 1Pet 2:9, Rev 1:5,6

Was the old covenant between God and all mankind?
Is it possible for other nationals to benefit from the old covenant?
Can those from other nations benefit without FIRST of all associating with Israelites?
These questions will help interested persons to know who and who is involved in the new covenant. Moses was the mediator of the old covenant and it's clear from the stories that the Israelites were known for the laws of Moses and the name of their God YHWH!
Meaning the names of YHWH and Moses could be said to have been familiar with this nation and that makes it easy for other nations to register the TWO names in their minds due to the laws YHWH gave the Israelites by the hands of Moses!
Jehovah's Witnesses said the new covenant is just between God and 144,000 persons with Jesus serving as mediator. Well whoever have a contrary opinion should please enlighten us about the significance of the figure '144,000' and how come Jehovah's name and Jesus' name is said to be WRITTEN on their foreheads! Revelations 14:1

Jozzy4:
Here is the right reply to the bolded above.




I don't think u understand yourself any longer

Jozzy4: Here is the right reply to the BOLDED above.

Achorladey: To what BOLDED? Here it is...... Is it because these CHRISTIANS are NOT KINGS and PRIEST that made them not part of the the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT?

So what was Jozzy4 reply to the BOLDED? Here it is below......

I know that Christ has made those in the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD.

Jozzy4 I don't think u understand yourself any longer.

Achorladey: Are you in a hurry? From what you have highlighted from my post then, it means you BELIEVE and ACCEPT that the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT is for 144,000 as believed in the THEOLOGY of Jws since they are the ONLY KINGS and PRIEST of GOD'S KINGDOM. It means in essence JESUS CHRIST is mediating for ONLY 144,000 CHRISTIANS who are to RULE with HIM as KINGS and PRIEST.

Thanks for the response. It's an added information that will aid this discussion.

The post you bolded initially contains the following ......

I am beginning to wonder what was CHRIST MEDIATING for since this particular set are not part of the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT.

Your friend stated this earlier in the course of this discussion......

Jessicha: He also mediate for all men - 1Tim 2:5

Achorladey: Since you agree the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT is for 144,000 what is Christ mediating for according to the SCRIPTURE highlighted above stated by your friend?

Jozzy4:
U still went ahead to ask stupidly that is it because they are not kings despite typing the above.

Can't u see you have nothing sensible to say anymore ?

Jozzy4: U still went ahead to ask stupidly that is it because they are not kings despite typing the above.

Achorladey: Why this remark from Jozzy4. It is because of the following he bolded in my post......

Are those Christians who will be on EARTH not part of the ONLY ONE NEW COVENANT because they remain on EARTH?

Thanks for the response and remarks, it shows you equally agree that CHRISTIANS who remain on EARTH are not part of the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT. Nice!

Jozzy4: Can't u see you have nothing sensible to say anymore ?

Achorladey: You are always in a hurry to pass remarks, my question based on your position so far, what was JESUS CHRIST mediating for on BEHALF of the the CHRISTIANS who are to remain on EARTH since the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT is not for THEM.

Jozzy4:
If not that the enemies camp is in turmoil , your friend said he agreed those in the New covenant are a Royal priesthood or kings . If they are kings, that exclude earthly subjects whom are subjects.

Is it rocket science ?

Jozzy4: If not that the enemies camp is in turmoil,

Achorladey: which of your enemy camp Oga Jozzy4?

Jozzy4: your friend said he agreed those in the New covenant are a Royal priesthood or kings.

Achorladey: I have not change my position on that Oga Jozzy4.

Jozzy4: If they are kings, that exclude earthly subjects whom are subjects.

Achorladey: Expansiate who are your SUBJECTS here. Are they fellow christians like those selected to become kings and priest, muslims, non christians or WHO?

Jozzy4: Is it rocket science ?

Achorladey: We will know very soon?

Maximus69:
OK Ma! I just want to notify you for the reason why i'm not responding to your post unlike others. But once i'm sure that you're part of some 'we' it's settled!

When you find someone who is rushing towards a destination and you're able to help this same person realise that he/she has missed his/her way, you'll not only expect this person to say 'thank you' but anticipating his/her next move to face your prescribed direction but you can NEVER expect such a hasty person turn back. Why? because you're convinced he/she has a reason for the journey!
So if the person suddenly decides to turn back towards his former destination, won't that baffle you?
However you'll be more than shocked as in flabbergasted if such a person now start arguing with you again over the right path AFTER THANKING AND COMMENDING YOU FOR THE CHARITABLE DEED BEFORE A LARGE AUDIENCE!
Please i'm not ready to start worrying myself again over ingrates!
Whoever feels the truth could be found elsewhere should go there and fetch it, but let's keep telling them that it could only be heard amongst just one and only organization 'Jehovah's Witnesses' !

Jozzy4:
Yes .

New covenant is for Royal priesthood - Luke 22:28-30, 1Pet 2:9, Rev 1:5,6

1 Pe 2:9,
. 9 But you are “a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,+ a people for special possession,+ that you should declare abroad the excellencies”*+ of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.+

Re 1:5,6
and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood 6 and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father—yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.

Re 5:9,10
And they sing a new song,+ saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God+ out of every tribe and tongue* and people and nation,+ 10 and you made them to be a kingdom+ and priests to our God,+ and they are to rule as kings+ over the earth.”

The above scriptures I quoted were applicable to the audience at a particular time, whether back then or today? Yes?

Jozzy4:
God knows Mr Man John 3 vs 8

From personal opinion , almost all of them in the first century have the heavenly hope as Kings. 2 Tim 2:12 if we endure, we will rule as kings.

Though some backslide and failed to endure.

Jozzy4: God knows Mr Man John 3 vs 8

Achorladey: I have been seeing this repeatedly from your latest post, yet 1 Corinthians 2: 10 assures of something important.....God has revealed these to us by the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, even the DEEP THINGS of GOD.

Jozzy4: From personal opinion , almost all of them in the first century have the heavenly hope as Kings. 2 Tim 2:12 if we endure, we will rule as kings.

Achorladey: Let me reason along your side using Jws theology.

From God knows BECOMES personal OPINION and from your PERSONAL OPINION he did not hit you that christ promise in Matthew 28:19,20 about being with his disciples and that the rate at which 5000 and 3000 got baptized, this 144,000 will have been sealed up long before the turn of the FIRST CENTURY or even to give room for backsliders long before the first TEN CENTURY except CHRIST abandon his disciples then and RENEGADE on HIS PROMISE in Matthew 28:19,20 and resumed back in 1900?

Jozzy4: Though some backslide and failed to endure.

Achorladey: Still reasoning using the Jw THEOLOGY.

Are the figure of BACKSLIDERS so big that 144,000 cannot begotten that it had to extend till our day? After all the congregation in PHILADELPHIA had a good standing and who knows the number of Christian there? 144,000 might be chicken FIGURE THERE.

Jozzy4:
Every Christian looks forward to both fulfilment and righteousness will dwell in both , but each Christian have different destinations , but all " We " 2Pet 3:13 are Christians

King and subject have different destination . rev 5:9,10



Everything applies to " We " at 2Pet 3:13 , 2Peters wasn't written when Paul wrote Romans. So it applies more to WE today . basic sense

1Cor 10:11
All this was written in the Scriptures to teach us who live in these last days.

Jozzy4: 1Cor 10:11
All this was written in the Scriptures [b] to teach us who live in THESE LAST DAYS.

Achorladey: When PETER WAS SPEAKING in Acts 2:14-17 and verse 17 where HE made MENTION of last days,

14 But Peter stood up with the eleven, raised his voice, and addressed them: “You men of Judea and all you who live in Jerusalem, know this and listen carefully to what I say. 15 In spite of what you think, these men are not drunk, for it is only nine o’clock in the morning. 16 But this is what was spoken about through the prophet Joel:

17 ‘And in the LAST DAYS it will be,’ God says, ‘that I will pour out my Spirit on all people, and your sons and your daughters will prophesy, and your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams. 18 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, and they will prophesy. 19 And I will perform wonders in the sky above and miraculous signs on the earth below, blood and fire and clouds of smoke. 20 The sun will be changed to darkness and the moon to blood before the great and glorious day of the Lord comes. 21 And then everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’

and WHEN Paul was SPEAKING in

2 Timothy 3:1. But understand this, that in the LAST DAYS difficult times will come. 

Is PETER'S last days DIFFERENT from PAUL'S last days?