HanksAnuku:


How have I beaten round the Bush? You must really think you have me trapped or something

The winning goal was bales first

That's the goal that secured the win. The remaining 2 were jara

okayyy.

HanksAnuku:


How have I beaten round the Bush? You must really think you have me trapped or something

The winning goal was bales first

That's the goal that secured the win. The remaining 2 were jara

Oga u are just confused.

Now there is jara goal...so d 1st goal nao is the most important goal not d goal after a 1 vs 1 draw??

Confused people just 2 many here

raumdeuter:


When you remove their penalty goals how many goals does Mane have vs Hazard

Remove his penalty goals and calculate it, shebi na u dey disect goals scored.

Then compare 13 assists with just 2 assists.

Segedinho:


Oga u are just confused.

Now there is jara goal...so d 1st goal nao is the most important goal not d goal after a 1 vs 1 draw??

Confused people just 2 many here

Guy just shut up.

HanksAnuku:


Guy just shut up.

Just learnt something from u now ...#thanks

On the other hand what is the significance of these goals in the chase of the most important player in a game? ??or how does it depict a player influencing a game.



Using ur definition of match winning goals. ....
Hazard's match winning goals is exactly 9....
1st goal or 1 goal winning matches were he scored d last...

popizaino:
Honestly,I can relate with whatever nollywood actor hanksanuku is saying but my problem here is that soccer cankerworm we have on this thread who is not here to come and disagree and call everything poppycock cus I remembered making this same point in defence of Didier Drogba when egbon dayo ridiculed the striker's league goals.Telling him those low amount of goals Drogba's scored had more significant contributions to our league triumph .

Lol, I was about going this lane also b4 I saw yours. I could not believe they discredited all those drogba's goal saying he wasn't so good but overhyped and they brought his total goal of 9 seasons. Now those "important goals" is now very important in justifying salah over hazard this season. Lol

Segedinho:

This is Liverpool official site

To apari Raumdeuter liverpool site is not reliable.

It's on nairaland you read stupid things from stupid people.

HanksAnuku:


Do you get 3 points for an equalising goal?

Yes or no?

Yes. If the equalising goal leads to a winning goal.

Oya answer my own.

Can you score a winning goal without scoring an equalising goal?

raumdeuter:


Salah 19 goals minus 3 penalties = 16 goals 10 assists = 26
Hazard 16goals minus 4 assists = 12 goals 13 assists = 25

Oya, show us that of Mane and Hazard and let's see who's the better player.

Remember, all season you've insulted Hazard but Salah who has just one goal difference better than Hazard is the next big thing according to you.

Can u see how foolish you truly are in broad day light.

Segedinho:

Just learnt something from u now ...#thanks

On the other hand what is the significance of these goals in the chase of the most important player in a game? ??or how does it depict a player influencing a game.

The other goals are not insignificant, but we need to apply context in every discussion.

Ronaldo was scoring 40, 50 goals in Madrid without winning a spoon. It doesn't mean that Aguero with 20 goals is better than him because he won EPL etc. The volume in output is still too great.

But if Aguero and Ororo both score 40/50 goals, then we now enter the realms of oya who your goal epp.

That's why regardless of drought, Ororo is only ever compared to Messi.

So guy calm down. there's some nuance to this, not just black and white.

raumdeuter:
I will not distract the football lesson Hanksanuku is dishing out to you, face your lectures for today

Weyrey fe sa lo.....come back here, you're not going anywhere till you tell us who's better between Hazard and Mane this season using goals + assists stats as you've always done in seasons past

thorrvik55:


Yes. If the equalising goal leads to a winning goal.

Show me a game that ended 2-2 and a team got 3 points

Can you score a winning goal without scoring an equalising goal?

This is a very stupid question. Who equalised in a 1-0 win?

HanksAnuku:


You've already answered your own question.

If knockout ties cannot end in a draw, then an equaliser is not as important as a match winning goal.

Help your friend answer this question, he's currently on the hot seat to win 200m but he's obviously confused as hell.

Hazard has 29 goals plus assists, Mane that we've all been hailing has 20 goals plus assists, please, who the better player?

Hanksanuku, aka Nihilstjnr, Nihilist, U are free to phone 2 friends, A40 and Afrodoc

HanksAnuku:


The other goals are not insignificant, but we need to apply context in every discussion.

Ronaldo was scoring 40, 50 goals in Madrid without winning a spoon. It doesn't mean that Aguero with 20 goals is better than him because he won EPL etc. The volume in output is still too great.

But if Aguero and Ororo both score 40/50 goals, then we now enter the realms of oya who your goal epp.

That's why regardless of drought, Ororo is only ever compared to Messi.

So guy calm down. there's some nuance to this, not just black and white.

So why is ur analyses of sallah being better than hazard this season hinged on match winning goals,disputing other widely acclaimed nd important stats like assists n big chances?
Despite both haven't won anything this season? ?

Segedinho:

So why is ur analyses of sallah being better than hazard this season hinged on match winning goals,disputing other widely acclaimed nd important stats like assists n big chances?
Despite both haven't won anything this season? ?

Liverpool are doing better than Chelsea this year, and Salah has been more instrumental in helping pool this season.

That's all I'm saying.

like I said before Hazard has also been brilliant this year

Chelseafan1:


Help your friend answer this question, he's currently on the hot seat to win 200m but he's obviously confused as hell.

Hazard has 29 goals plus assists, Mane that we've all been hailing has 20 goals plus assists, please, who the better player?

Hanksanuku, aka Nihilstjnr, Nihilist, U are free to phone 2 friends, A40 and Afrodoc

i will never interfere in family matters between you and your uncle

Chelseafan1:


Help your friend answer this question, he's currently on the hot seat to win 200m but he's obviously confused as hell.

Hazard has 29 goals plus assists, Mane that we've all been hailing has 20 goals plus assists, please, who the better player?

Lol they will say Mane is competing for the title, whereas I remembered in our EPL win then with Conte, they rubbished Hazard performance while giving KDB all credit cos of goals and assists. Let’s see their explanation this time.

The level of double standard is alarming.

simonjassy:

if it isn't guaranteed then you removing them is just you being bias..
what if one player is better than taking penalties compared to the other

Let me ask you

Do you think Milivojevic is at par with Son and Firmino since they all have the same 12 goals?

Segedinho:

This is Liverpool official site

I have shown you my source of truth, Liverpool website only shows what premier league site does

HanksAnuku:


How is hazard the better player this season? How?

Stats don't lie, but interpretation of stats is subjective. Guy I'm the one who said Hazard is in the same bracket at Ronaldo and Messi talent wise. My allegiance is clear

But if even Chelseafan1 can cuss hazard this season, then what I'm saying should come as no great surprise

Hazard has had a great season individually. But his stats have flattered to deceive.

Look at Aubameyang and Lacazette. Lacazette has only 13 league goals, but 9 of those goals were the ones that sealed the win for his team. I think Auba has 16 or 17, not sure but only 3 of those goals won the 3 points for his team.

This is what I'm talking about here. Not pumping Huddersfield and Cardiff then clapping your hands.

Salah is DIRECTLY responsible for 1/3 of all Liverpool's wins this season. That's not stats padding by scoring unimportant goals

See what happened when we last faced them. Hazard was playing rubbish, while Salah was shooting golazos. After the match Hazard went to be joking with Salah sef. I felt like slapping him.

let us put this your winning goal talk to test, shall we?

As important as winning goals can be sometimes, it can be deceiving and also dependent on other factors.


Now, i am going to use the both leg matches of Chelsea and Liverpool as an instance for what I want to bring to light.


In the first leg, hazard scored a goal that looked like a winning goal for almost 90 min until a short kepa allow a Sturridge equalizer. [hazard winning goal that should have won 3 points became 1 point goal]. Also, salah was useless throughout and i think was subbed early.

Second leg, Liverpool were winning with one goal from Mane before salah scored the second. Mane's goal by right is the winning goal, while Salah's can be termed stat padding. But, Do you know that if alisson had mistakenly failed to keep out that hazard second 1vs1 effort and the ball went in, salah's goal that looked meaningless would have automatically turned to a winning goal?

Now you see, as much sensible you think winning goal sounds in this argument, it can also sound senseless.


Like i said earlier, i don't use some of this less important stats alone to rate players. I don't use goals and assists alone also, but even if we go that lane, hazard still comes out top.




BTW, you have not answered the question i asked you last night.
You are talking about winning goals, what about equalizing goals. Goals that won 1 point. Have you considered that?

Chelseafan1:


Oya, show us that of Mane and Hazard and let's see who's the better player.

Remember, all season you've insulted Hazard but Salah who has just one goal difference better than Hazard is the next big thing according to you.

Can u see how foolish you truly are in broad day light.

When a player a fellow attacker has more goals than you, like Mane and Salah has over Hazard, you sit down

Assists only come into it after goals have been sorted out

HanksAnuku:


Liverpool are doing better than Chelsea this year, and Salah has been more instrumental in helping pool this season.

That's all I'm saying.

like I said before Hazard has also been brilliant this year

How do u define being instrumental?
Is it the match winning goals or ur totality which is reflected in stats? ??
Liverpool is competing very well ..kudos 2 d coach
Chelsea isn't nd u knw how the coach has been useless

So when judging any player ...take out the team and go head 2 head with the players. .

U can't say Henderson is better than Erikson just cos Liverpool is competing even when Erikson has 12 assists. .


Judge urself 4 once

HanksAnuku:


Show me a game that ended 2-2 and a team got 3 points



This is a very stupid question. Who equalised in a 1-0 win?

Ur answer is rather stupid... The context we are referring to is when a team is losing 2-1 and u acknowledged did in ur first answer, so why are u bringing up 1-0 when we have been referring to a scenario where a team is losing 2-1 since

HanksAnuku:


Yes no doubt Hazard has scored a larger chunk of Chelsea's goals.

But how many of those goals scored were important?

That's why I brought in match winning goals.

Liverpool have 27 wins this season. Salah goals decided 9 of them. That's 33%

Chelsea have 20 wins this season. Hazard goals only ensured 5 of those wins


Theres a phrase called "big game player". I promise you I did not invent it.

so, using this your argument, we can now say that Salah has been better than Mane this season?





Please don't go to the big game talk. We know what the big games are and we know how both have performed in them.



BTW, why are we talking about goals alone, what happened to assists?

HanksAnuku:



So guy calm down. there's some nuance to this, not just black and white.

They key thing these shekpetedos dont understand

Chelseafan1:


Weyrey fe sa lo.....come back here, you're not going anywhere till you tell us who's better between Hazard and Mane this season using goals + assists stats as you've always done in seasons past

Goals are higher than assists in importnce, its when goals are equal we can consider assists

airmark:


To apari Raumdeuter liverpool site is not reliable.

It's on nairaland you read stupid things from stupid people.

Man will go any length if the stats are against him.

raumdeuter:


Chelsea FC said Hazard is a forward,
Premier league said he is a forward
FIFA said he is a forward
Transfermarkt said he is a forward
Wikipedia said he is a midfielder

So which of them should we believe?

Liverpool FC said 7 assists
Premier league said 7 assists
FIFA said 7 assists
Transfermarket said 10 assists

So which should we believe?

Thecassanova:

Lol they will say Mane is competing for the title, whereas I remembered in our EPL win then with Mou, they rubbished Hazard performance while giving KDB all credit cos of goals and assists. Let’s see their explanation this time.

The level of double standard is alarming.

These Shekpetedos sha, Very ignorant and always lying

WHen you won the EPL under Mourinho, KDB was not even in the EPL but you must just lie sha

when you lie that often your lips become swollen like airmark own

Greatihex:
let us put this your winning goal talk to test, shall we?

As important as winning goals can be sometimes, it can be deceiving and also dependent on other factors.


Now, i am going to use the both leg matches of Chelsea and Liverpool as an instance for what I want to bring to light.


In the first leg, hazard scored a goal that looked like a winning goal for almost 90 min until a short kepa allow a Sturridge equalizer. [hazard winning goal that should have won 3 points became 1 point goal]. Also, salah was useless throughout and i think was subbed early.

Second leg, Liverpool were winning with one goal from Mane before salah scored the second. Mane's goal by right is the winning goal, while Salah's can be termed stat padding. But, Do you know that if alisson had mistakenly failed to keep out that hazard second 1vs1 effort and the ball went in, salah's goal that looked meaningless would have automatically turned to a winning goal?

Now you see, as much sensible you think winning goal sounds in this argument, it can also sound senseless.


Like i said earlier, i don't use some of this less important stats alone to rate players. I don't use goals and assists alone also, but even if we go that lane, hazard still comes out top.




BTW, you have not answered the question i asked you last night.
You are talking about winning goals, what about equalizing goals. Goals that won 1 point. Have you considered that?

You have a valid point.

My counter to that is frequency.

Your absolutely right that a goal pulled back automatically changes ownership of the winning goal to the next scorer.

But why does Salah have so many of such goals? Why does Hazard not have as many? This is where the stats are open for interpretation.

Thecassanova:

Man will go any length if the stats are against him.

Liverpool FC said 7 assists
Premier league said 7 assists
FIFA said 7 assists
Transfermarket said 10 assists

So which should we believe?

Transfermarkt is the source of truth, a neutral website that is always consistent

raumdeuter:


These Shekpetedos sha, Very ignorant and always lying

WHen you won the EPL under Mourinho, KDB was not even in the EPL but you must just lie sha

when you lie that often your lips become swollen like airmark own

A mistake, I was referring to the first season with Conte.

raumdeuter:


When a player a fellow attacker has more goals than you, like Mane and Salah has over Hazard, you sit down

Assists only come into it after goals have been sorted out

Okay, so now topping assist chart as an attacker is not necessary ba. I thought it was how many goals + assists now the criteria has changed to just goals ba...