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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 1:23am On Apr 27, 2019

johnw47:
you say the truth is what's important to you, and yet you say that Jesus Christ the Lord and Saviour of the World is "a god"
however Jehovah God says diffrent to you, that there is no god with Him:

Deu_32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me:

which makes your nwt on john 1:1 of course false:

nwt John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

and makes the christian translation correct:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I thank Jehovah your perpetual mumu is NOT contagious.

Jesus said Jehovah his Father is "the only true God" John 17:3.

Deu32:39 " See now that I, even I,am he,and there is no god with me".
Jehovah the only true God say's there is no god with me"
** Firm Proof that anyone (in this case, the Word ) with Jehovah is NOT Jehovah.

In John 1:1,"the Word was with God" (Greek says "the Word was with the God" wink

,according to your perpetual mumu, God the word was with God his Father.
That is two Gods,meaning that you twisted "and the Word was God" to fatten your scam.
(Basic understanding of English tells you that the Word was with his Father, the only true God ).
In other words, the son is NOT the only true God,his Father.

**the son confessed he is a god (John 10:34-36)but his Father is the only true God.
Any lie you blow here is against John 10:34-36

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 3:09am On Apr 27, 2019*

lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ
of course you cannot address my post and the scriptures given
but instead you think God's word contradicts God's word
because you do not understand God's word nor know God

Janosky:
I thank Jehovah your perpetual mumu is NOT contagious.

Jesus said Jehovah his Father is "the only true God" John 17:3.

oh duh brain like a sieve, the same things over and over again which you do not understand
of course Father is the only true God, so is the Word Jesus:

christian bibles:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

false jw's false bible:
nwt Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

^^^ you poltheist jw's have another god with God, your mighty god jesus with your almighty god father

Janosky: Deu32:39 " See now that I, even I,am he,and there is no god with me".
Jehovah the only true God say's there is no god with me"
** Firm Proof that anyone (in this case, the Word ) with Jehovah is NOT Jehovah.

ha ha ha, what confused know nothing twisting-lying, God and the Word are two person in God, john 1:1
not two god's as you false jw's believe, God and "a god":

false jw's false nwt bible
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.

your two god's, god and a god, laughing

christian bibles
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

two persons in the one God

Janosky: In John 1:1,"the Word was with God" (Greek says "the Word was with the God",according to your perpetual mumu, God the word was with God his Father.
That is two Gods,meaning that you twisted "and the Word was God" to fatten your scam.
(Basic understanding of English tells you that the Word was with his Father, the only true God ).

truly confused know nothing janosky/OneJ
Father and the Word is two persons in God, not two gods as you false jw's believe
and truly john 1:1 has not been twisted in the christian bibles, but it is well known that the nwt has much twisting-lying and changing of God's word

Janosky: In other words, the son is NOT the only true God,his Father.

laugh, no once again the Son is not the Father, the Father and the Son is God as per john 1:1
plus the many scriptures i have posted showing that the Word Jesus Christ is God, and which you reject making God a liar

Janosky: **the son confessed he is a god (John 10:34-36)but his Father is the only true God.
Any lie you blow here is against John 10:34-36

Jesus never said He is a god, that's just you lying and twisting God's word again
Jesus said the jews who were about to stone Him are gods
it stopped them stoning Him

and of course the Father is the only true God, just as the son is:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

lying pharisee deceicer false jw janosky/OneJ

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 3:18am On Apr 27, 2019

Janosky:
"Paul an apostle-sent not by men nor man but by Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Jesus from the dead " Gal1:8 (where are those Jesus raised himself Liars?)

lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

Father and the Word(Jesus) is God, john 1:1

God raised Jesus = Father raised Jesus
God raised Jesus = the Word raised Jesus

Jesus of course said the truth and didn't lie, as you false jw's try and make out:
Joh_2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself:

^^^ jw's do not believe Jesus in Joh_2:19 and so are of course false witnesses

1Jn 5:10 he that believeth not God hath made him a liar;

^^^ that is false jw's through and through

1Jn 5:10 because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

^^^ so true, God said of His Son "the Word was with God and the Word was God"
false jw's don't believe the record God gave of His Son making Jehovah God a liar
false jw's also changes God's inspired word to say other

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

^^^ these would seemingly apply to all of God's word VVV

Deu 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it

Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 4:44am On Apr 27, 2019*

Janosky: "Paul an apostle-sent not by men nor man but by Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Jesus from the dead " Gal1:8 (where are those Jesus raised himself Liars?)

lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ

even though Jesus said that His risen body was not Spirit, but flesh and bones
still you unbelieving false jw's say it was Jesus Spirit body, making God a liar

Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

this is how Jesus Spirit body looks:

Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 5:37pm On Apr 27, 2019

brocab:
Maybe if you were to obey the scriptures, believe in the same Jesus that's written in the bible-yes you do have a good chance?
But anybody who claims to know Jesus and not preach God's Word is a crackpot..
Anybody that say's the bible is written with double standards-claiming the bible is unreliable and faulty is a lair. Anybody that claims a religion that began in 1871 is God's true followers, is a fool..

YES! You believe in the name of Jesus and you also believe in saving lives with anybody's blood! Certainly you're a TRUE believerER. cheesy

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 11:11pm On Apr 27, 2019

It's about time you retrieved some proper learning skills, since all what what comes out of your mouth is complete rubbish "Question Janosky: "What does it mean that Jesus is God's only begotten son?"
Answer: The phrase “only begotten Son” occurs in {John 3:16} which reads in the King James Version as, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believe in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
The phrase "only begotten" translates the Greek word monogenes. This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten."
It's this last phrase {"only begotten" used in the KJV, NASB and the NKJV} that causes problems.
False teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn't God; i.e., that Jesus isn't equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity.
They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.
So what does monogenes mean?
According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature {BAGD, 3rd Edition} monogenes has two primary definitions.
The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship."
This is its meaning in {Hebrews 11:17} when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son" {KJV}
Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context.
The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in {John 3:16, see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9} John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God {John 20:31} and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters by adoption {Ephesians 1:5}
Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son.
The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son," descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms that help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity.
If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity.
The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some pseudo-Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.

Janosky:
Yes nau ... crackpots AKA lying Pharisees do not preach the good news of the kingdom of God- the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Crackpots are so blissfully deluded and ignorant of the basic Bible truth that every servant of the God of Abraham,the men of faith(Heb 11:1-39),including Jesus ( Acts 3:13. Rev3:12,14) was a Jehovah's witness," the great cloud of witnesses" (Heb12:1,2) whose faith we should imitate.
They were witnesses for Jehovah,the only true God . John 17:3

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 11:15pm On Apr 27, 2019

See that wasn't hard for you to recognise-Thank you...Jesus also shed His blood on the Cross for us all..

Maximus69:
YES! You believe in the name of Jesus and you also believe in saving lives with anybody's blood! Certainly you're a TRUE believerER.

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 11:59pm On Apr 27, 2019*

The apostle Paul addressed his fellow believers as, “…my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life”
{Philippians 4:3 ESV} Yes, I ask you also, true companion, help these women, who have labored side by side with me in the gospel together with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.
This clearly tells us that Christians have their names written in the Book of Life. Christians preaching Jesus..
“The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels” {Revelation 3:5 ESV}
This passage tells us that perseverance is essential to one who has his or her name written in the Book of Life. Faithfulness to God is crucial to having one’s name secure in God’s kingdom. This verse also reinforces the fact that it is Jesus who determines whose name is, or is not, in the Book of Life.
{Revelation 13:8 ESV} Anyone who worships anything other than God exhibits proof that their names are not written in the Book of Life.
{see also Revelation 17:8} If there is anything in one’s life that is more important than God, that thing is an idol; {What are Cults-The JW's claims no-one can be saved outside the Watchtower} the Bible makes it clear that idolaters will not have their names written in the Book of Life
{1 Corinthians 6:9; 15:50; Galatians 5:21; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Timothy 1:9; Hebrews 12:14, 13:4; Revelation 21:8}
So fact's shows who's names are written in the book of life, those who endure unto the end will be saved, ''The only way to be assured that our names will be in the Book of Life is to be dedicated followers of Jesus Christ, “…if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved” {Romans 10:9-10 ESV}
Whether or not the Book of Life is an actual book or simply a metaphor for God’s record-keeping activities, the reality it speaks of is that one’s name must be in it to be counted among the redeemed.
The Bible also makes it very clear that our names are guaranteed to be in the Book of Life purely based on our relationship with Jesus Christ. Jesus said that, “…everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven”
{Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8; Acts 16:31}
If we have trusted Him with our lives, we are heaven bound, if we have rejected His saving offer of grace, our names will be blotted out of the book, we are bound for eternal punishment {Matthew 25:46}
I believe Paul was looking well and truly into the future when he wrote this verse, below-he made it quite clear who would preach another Jesus, you JW's must be on top of the list concerning..
{2 Corinthian 11:4} For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:15am On Apr 28, 2019

Maximus69:
YES! You believe in the name of Jesus and you also believe in saving lives with anybody's blood! Certainly you're a TRUE believerER.

lying pharisee false jw laughing hyena max
oh duh, blood transfusions can save lifes from sickness or accidents etc.
only Jesus blood saves eternally

funny how you always laugh or wink, and yet wrong at the same time
i guess that's just another worldly trait of false jw's

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:40am On Apr 28, 2019

Maximus69:
If you're not a fool at this your oldage, Show us where your name was written or found in the book of life!
Mumu like you keep quoting without any sense in your head, who told you that your name is anywhere close to the book of the living?

Maximus69:
Where is your stupid name written in the book of life Sir!

Maximus69:
Nowhere to show as proof that your name has been written in the book of life, then why all these hullaballoo?

tormented lying pharisee false jw laughing hyena max

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 6:59pm On Apr 28, 2019

brocab:
See that wasn't hard for you to recognise-Thank you...Jesus also shed His blood on the Cross for us all..

YES! Jesus shed his blood to save lives and definitely he also told you to use anybody's blood to do the same thing! cheesy

So what is the superiority in blood group then, since anybody's blood can save? What is there to say about the blood of Jesus now? after all scientist have discovered other kinds of blood to lives, NOT only Jesus' blood! cheesy

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 10:30pm On Apr 28, 2019*

I have never heard, a JW, praying over the sick, raising the dead, nor the blind see, "complaints is all I read-for how many years, has it been said: giving blood helps save lives!
So yes, all around the world-people need blood to survive, now that's up to you-but if you believe your blood is contaminated-then I agree with you, don't give your blood.
The Watchtower had taken scripture out of context-so of course it's your decision-, if my blood group would save just one life, I wouldn't hesitate to give it, and I wouldn't argue over it, nor would I think about it-automatically I would just do it, without a sound.
THIS IS WHAT BEING A CHRISTIAN IS ALL ABOUT, ISN'T IT, SAVING LIVES!
{Matthew 25:45} Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

Maximus69:
YES! Jesus shed his blood to save lives and definitely he also told you to use anybody's blood to do the same thing!
So what is the superiority in blood group then, since anybody's blood can save? What is there to say about the blood of Jesus now? after all scientist have discovered other kinds of blood to lives, NOT only Jesus' blood!

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:28am On Apr 29, 2019

Maximus69:
YES! Jesus shed his blood to save lives and definitely he also told you to use anybody's blood to do the same thing!
So what is the superiority in blood group then, since anybody's blood can save? What is there to say about the blood of Jesus now? after all scientist have discovered other kinds of blood to lives, NOT only Jesus' blood!

lying pharisee false jw laughing hyena max

other persons blood can extend physical life for a period of time
like medicines can

only Jesus blood saves forever

you mad max are as duh as your daddy god:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 5:38am On Apr 29, 2019*

johnw47: [color=#98FB98]*[/color] I PRAY THAT HE IS THE LIGHT IN YOUR
[color=#98FB98]*[/color]LIFE, THE HOPE OF YOUR LIFE AND THAT
[color=#98FB98]*[/color] HE IS THE WORD THAT IS WITHIN YOU
[color=#98FB98]***********[/color]EVERY DAY

Maximus69:

that gibberish

that nonsense

such is the devils children:

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 6:33am On Apr 29, 2019*

brocab:
I have never heard, a JW, praying over the sick, raising the dead, nor the blind see, "complaints is all I read-for how many years, has it been said: giving blood helps save lives!
So yes, all around the world-people need blood to survive, now that's up to you-but if you believe your blood is contaminated-then I agree with you, don't give your blood.
The Watchtower had taken scripture out of context-so of course it's your decision-, if my blood group would save just one life, I wouldn't hesitate to give it, and I wouldn't argue over it, nor would I think about it-automatically I would just do it, without a sound.
THIS IS WHAT BEING A CHRISTIAN IS ALL ABOUT, ISN'T IT, SAVING LIVES!
{Matthew 25:45} Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

So any Dick and Harry that needs blood is one of Jesus' brothers huh

Matthew 25:40
I thought it's ONLY those who believed him that he referred to as his brothers undecided

Matthew 12:47-50
That means even the beggar sitting beside the road could be Jesus' brother even if he detests Jesus' name due to his religious background! embarassed

Well your doctrines is your doctrines since it's goes along with all human traditions and hypocritical display of virtue, it doesn't matter if it could be in harmony with the thoughts, words and actions of Jesus. Matthew 15:9 grin

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 7:06am On Apr 29, 2019

johnw47:
such is the devils children:

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Pastor PIRI,
Your 'HE' could be anybody whether Krishna, Buddha, Sango, Amadioa, Jupiter, Zeus and so on!
Moreover all those GODS have priests and the priests are claiming there is light in their GODS. That is what made your write-up a complete gibberish as in nonsense Sir! cheesy

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 7:30am On Apr 29, 2019

Maximus69:
So any Dick and Harry that needs blood is one of Jesus' brothers Matthew 25:40
I thought it's ONLY those who believed him that he referred to as his brothers Matthew 12:47-50
That means even the beggar sitting beside the road could be Jesus' brother even if he detests Jesus' name due to his religious background!
Well your doctrines is your doctrines as it's goes along with human tradition it doesn't matter if it could be in harmony with the thoughts, words and actions of Jesus. Matthew 15:9

Who made you judge? If he says he is Jesus brother even if he detest Jesus is it your business?
You have become Deputy jesus Christ. Lol

Look who's talking sef? Your doctrines are never even mentioned in the Bible sef.
Well, last last all this your talk is because you believe your jehovah will come destroy people who don't belong to watchtower organization and accept the 8 old men who head the organization as the only channel of communication between God and man today so you can inherit earth. Lol.

You will wait nothing will happen. You will still die waiting like, taze Russell, Rutherford, knorr, 1st and 2nd set of gb.

Everything last last is inside your head. They are not real.

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 7:38am On Apr 29, 2019

Maximus69:
YES! Jesus shed his blood to save lives and definitely he also told you to use anybody's blood to do the same thing!
So what is the superiority in blood group then, since anybody's blood can save? What is there to say about the blood of Jesus now? after all scientist have discovered other kinds of blood to lives, NOT only Jesus' blood!

Like jesus' blood is now physical blood used in the medical procedure called blood transfusion. Jesus Christ blood which you have not seen is now used as physical blood in hospitals to save patients lives? I no fit laff. You are just a dull zombie.

See how you guys lie to propagate your lies. From saying your jehovah warned you not to accept blood transfusion or donate blood to blood transfusion spreads diseases and have adverse effect to now stating blood transfusion is not jesus Christ blood which saves life. Lol

The extent your leaders will go to defend their teachings is something else.

Well last last your doctrines are all lies based on your leaders assumptions. Lol

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 8:35am On Apr 29, 2019

Hairyrapunzel:
Like jesus' blood is now physical blood used in the medical procedure called blood transfusion. Jesus Christ blood which you have not seen is now used as physical blood in hospitals to save patients lives? I no fit laff. You are just a dull zombie.

See how you guys lie to propagate your lies. From saying your jehovah warned you not to accept blood transfusion or donate blood to blood transfusion spreads diseases and have adverse effect to now stating blood transfusion is not jesus Christ blood which saves life. Lol

The extent your leaders will go to defend their teachings is something else.

Well last last your doctrines are all lies based on your leaders assumptions. Lol

Anti~JW explosive loading! angry

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 12:47pm On Apr 29, 2019

brocab:

"Question Janosky: "What does it mean that Jesus is God's only begotten son?"
Answer: The phrase “only begotten Son” occurs in {John 3:16} which reads in the King James Version as, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believe in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
The phrase "only begotten" translates the Greek word monogenes. This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten."
It's this last phrase {"only begotten" used in the KJV, NASB and the NKJV} that causes problems.
False teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn't God; i.e., that Jesus isn't equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity.
They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.
So what does monogenes mean?
According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature {BAGD, 3rd Edition} monogenes has two primary definitions.
The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship."
This is its meaning in {Hebrews 11:17} when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son" {KJV}
Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context.
The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in {John 3:16, see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9} John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God {John 20:31} and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters by adoption {Ephesians 1:5}
Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son. ....that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.[/color]

Brocab lying Pharisee displaying his unique talent for twisting the truth.

1).Luke 7:12.9:38" only begotten son"

**2) John 3:16,18 Jesus," only begotten son"

***3 Heb11:17-19 Isaac "only begotten son" of Abraham.

Above, from 1-3, they all have Fathers.
Can you be an "only begotten son" if you have no Father at all?
The answer is NO.
You MUST have a Father .
Jehovah is the still the Father of Jesus in heaven (Rev3:5 before my Father and his angels" wink

in the spiritual realm. Rev 3:12,14,21.

*** Even without being "the only begotten son" uniqueness ,Isaac is still the son of Abraham.
Likewise, Jesus says himself is God's son John10:34-36. 17:1. 5:26.
Jehovah is Father to angels, to man and to Jesus. Eph3:14,15

In the physical realm as well as the spiritual realm, the FATHER Jehovah is GREATER THAN Jesus (John 14:28. 1Cor11:3. 15:24-28).

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Janosky: 1:18pm On Apr 29, 2019

brocab:
“The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels” {Revelation 3:5 ESV}
[color=#000099]This passage tells us that perseverance is essential to one who has his or her name written in the Book of Life. Faithfulness to God is crucial to having one’s name secure in God’s kingdom.

In the spiritual realm Jesus is still calling Jehovah "my Father",
Rev3:5 "before my Father and before his angels" .

Una Jesus is God, yet una "God" dey worship Jehovah , him Father & God for heaven.
All Trinity worshippers no get sense at all... their brain haf lost tay tayy !!!

Their thinking faculty over heats and gives them sifia pains when they try to defend their scam

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 2:11pm On Apr 29, 2019

Maximus69:
Anti~JW explosive loading!

Still doesn't change the fact that you believe in something that will never happen because 8 old imperfect uninspired and fallible men who reside in new York told you so. tongue

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 2:14pm On Apr 29, 2019

Janosky:
In the spiritual realm Jesus is still calling Jehovah "my Father",
Rev3:5 "before my Father and before his angels" .

Una Jesus is God, yet una "God" dey worship Jehovah , him Father & God for heaven.
All Trinity worshippers no get sense at all... their brain haf lost tay tayy !!!

Their thinking faculty over heats and gives them sifia pains when they try to defend their scam

You that your thinking faculty does not overheat thinks and believes that 8 old imperfect uninspired and fallible men who err in doctrinal matters and organizational direction are the only channel of communication between God and man today because the 8 old men told you so. Lol

Intact thinking faculty indeed. Lol

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 2:49pm On Apr 29, 2019

Hairyrapunzel:
Still doesn't change the fact that you believe in something that will never happen because 8 old imperfect uninspired and fallible men who reside in new York told you so.

Time~bomb, courtesy Anti~JW virus! cheesy

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Hairyrapunzel: 5:36pm On Apr 29, 2019

Maximus69:
Time~bomb, courtesy Anti~JW virus!

You are still believing in your violent Jehovah. You will still die of heartbreak like your past and present leaders. No Jehovah is coming to destroy people for not joining watchtower organisation and accepting 8 old imperfect uninspired and fallible men as only channel of communication between God and man today.

You and your colleagues will not see any paradise earth cos it's all imaginary that is it is fake. The earlier you begin to accept reality and reject your imaginary magazine drawings the better for you. No say I no tell you o.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by Nobody: 10:42pm On Apr 29, 2019

Hairyrapunzel:
You are still believing in your violent Jehovah. You will still die of heartbreak like your past and present leaders. No Jehovah is coming to destroy people for not joining watchtower organisation and accepting 8 old imperfect uninspired and fallible men as only channel of communication between God and man today.

You and your colleagues will not see any paradise earth cos it's all imaginary that is it is fake. The earlier you begin to accept reality and reject your imaginary magazine drawings the better for you. No say I no tell you o.

More and much more brain explosives courtesy Anti~JW virus and parasites! embarassed

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 11:49pm On Apr 29, 2019*

Maximus69:
Pastor PIRI,

lying pharisee false jw laughing hyena max

your paranoia is of course from your god the devil
paranoia is common in you false jw's

Maximus69:
Your 'HE' could be anybody whether Krishna, Buddha, Sango, Amadioa, Jupiter, Zeus and so on!
Moreover all those GODS have priests and the priests are claiming there is light in their GODS. That is what made your write-up a complete gibberish as in nonsense Sir!

oh duh laughing hyena mad max
i'm known to be a christian, brocab who i addressed the post to is a known christian
normanally only a know nothing false jw's would not know that the praise was to the Lord and saviour of the world Jesus Christ
but in this instance you knew very well who the "He" was, lying false jw, you just cannot help lying and denying the Lord

and any praises of Jesus that i post, of course are not for you of satans mob

johnw47: [color=#98FB98]*[/color] I PRAY THAT HE IS THE LIGHT IN YOUR
[color=#98FB98]*[/color]LIFE, THE HOPE OF YOUR LIFE AND THAT
[color=#98FB98]*[/color] HE IS THE WORD THAT IS WITHIN YOU
[color=#98FB98]***********[/color]EVERY DAY

hater of praising Christ, false jw max:

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 12:11am On Apr 30, 2019

johnw47: [color=#98FB98]*[/color] I PRAY THAT HE IS THE LIGHT IN YOUR
[color=#98FB98]*[/color]LIFE, THE HOPE OF YOUR LIFE AND THAT
[color=#98FB98]*[/color] HE IS THE WORD THAT IS WITHIN YOU
[color=#98FB98]***********[/color]EVERY DAY

a christian wrote this and i loved it

i posted it to brocab and he loved it

of course you false jw antichrist max don't love it but hate it
calling it gibberish and nonsense

1Jn_2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by CAPTIVATOR: 12:30am On Apr 30, 2019

achorladey:
TATIME: They don't KNOW what they're doing BECAUSE if they do,THEY'LL just OBEY their so called PASTORS who told them NOT to LISTEN or discuss BIBLICAL MATTERS with JWS!

Maximus69: When I came in, I threw the GB's order to everyone and immediately I can see JWs complying with the orders so I concluded they're like soldiers who recognises their central controlling unit.

What was the order?

According to Maximus69.....So it's no more a hidden fact that JWs are DEVOTED BELIEVERS and EVER READY to take CORRECTIONS even FROM a NONE JW who simply got the INFORMATION INDISPOSED to the PUBLIC! The GB ORDERS them not to involve in on GOING social MEDIA DEBATE or ARGUMENT,and IMMEDIATELY at the mention of GOVERNING BODY
OneJ,Peacefulove,Tatime,Captivator and others became silent! KUDOS to all of YOU for showing me why it is REASONABLE and NECESSARY to belong to a UNIQUE GROUP where LAWLESSNESS is no MORE,unlike in the world out there where WORSHIPERS can just take a bold stand AGAINST the rules of the RELIGION to which they BELONG!

Order got support from the below..........

10 Today, Jehovah’s people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation. Still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them. It would be unwise to engage in debates with apostates, whether in person, by responding to their blogs, or by any other form of communication. Even when the intention is to help the individual, such conversation would be contrary to the Scriptural direction we just considered. Rather, as Jehovah’s people, we completely avoid, yes reject, apostasy. w14 7/15 pp. 12-16 paragraphs 10

So why must Maximus69 and TATIME follow ORDERS from GB.....

“We need to guard against developing a spirit of INDEPENDENCE. By WORD or ACTION, may we NEVER CHALLENGE the CHANNEL of COMMUNICATION that JEHOVAH is USING TODAY. “ (w09 11/15 p. 14 par. 5 Treasure Your Place in the Congregation)

"That FAITHFUL SLAVE(GB) is the CHANNEL through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the FAITHFUL SLAVE. Our spiritual health and our RELATIONSHIP with GOD DEPEND on this CHANNEL." Watchtower 2013 Jul 15 p.20

So have Maximus69 and TATIME complied with the ORDER GIVEN?

Yet the same FAITHFUL SLAVE taught the below.....

“We cannot take part in any modern version of IDOLATRY — be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of SALVATION to a PERSON or an ORGANIZATION. (1 Corinthians 10:14; 1 John 5:21)” – The Watchtower, November 1, 1990 p. 26)

“But Jehovahs servants already belong to the ONLY ORGANIZATION that will SURVIVE the end of this wicked SYSTEM of THINGS.” Watchtower 2007 Dec 15 p.14

So what basis is there to challenge the words of GOVERNING BODY or the JWS....

The GOVERNING Body is NEITHER INSPIRED nor INFALLIBLE. Therefore, it can ERR in DOCTRINAL MATTERS or in ORGANIZATIONAL DIRECTION. IN FACT, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “BELIEFS CLARIFIED,” which LISTS ADJUSTMENTS in our SCRIPTURAL UNDERSTANDING since 1870. Of COURSE, Jesus did not tell us that his FAITHFUL SLAVE would PRODUCE perfect SPIRITUAL FOOD.
February 2017 Watchtower study edition fourth study article paragraph 12

Since the GOVERNING BODY admitted that they are NOT INSPIRED, how else can you make use of this scripture contained in 1 John 4:1 to address any of the teachings of the GB and their DOCTRINES..........

Beloved ones, do not BELIEVE every INSPIRED STATEMENT, but TEST the INSPIRED STATEMENTS to see whether THEY ORIGINATE with GOD, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

We are told to TEST INSPIRED STATEMENT, so what is expected of STATEMENTS NOT INSPIRED? E get as e be ooooo.

It's funny u talk about testing but had been struggling to grasp difference between a covenant for those called and Jesus mediating for all men.

U are equating it to the same thing, that's where your problem started. If an expression reads those called, it's logical that some are not called.

But another expression says " all men " . logically everyone either called or not.

With those differences , no sound Bible student will equate the two context of mediatorship.

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by CAPTIVATOR: 12:32am On Apr 30, 2019

asalimpo:
you mean the grave. Sure all die but not all go to hell. You jws always wish tht hell is d grave even though scriptures indicate numerous times that it is a place of torment

Yeah a place of torment indeed. That's why those in the sea do not go there, u know ? - Rev 20:13

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Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by johnw47: 3:15am On Apr 30, 2019

Maximus69:
Pastor PIRI,

the qualifications for a army intelligence officer
must be to have none, intelligence that is

Re: "How Can One Witness To A Jehovah's Witness?" by brocab: 3:40am On Apr 30, 2019

Where in the spiritual realm does Jesus call His Father Jehovah?

Janosky:
In the spiritual realm Jesus is still calling Jehovah "my Father",
Rev3:5 "before my Father and before his angels" .

Under no circumstances did Yahshua (Jesus) ever call or use the word “Jehovah”. that particular word did not even exist until 1520, when a Fransciscan Catholic priest named Peter Gallatin (Petrus Gallitinus) mixed up the tetragrammaton (four letter sacred name of God in Hebrew) YHVH with the vowels of the word Adonai, the Hebrew word for lord or master, and jumbled together a made-up word “Iahovah”, and the letter we know as “J” was just being invented, usually to substitute for the letter “I” or “Y”, and stuck that on there.
Yahshua used the Aramaic term for God, Alaha, the Aramaic term for Father, Ab or Abba, and the sacred name, Yahweh.
{Mark 14:36, Romans 8:5, Galatians 4:6} And he said, “Abba, Father, all things are possible for you. Remove this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.”
{John 1:12–13}Many claim that all people are “children of God,” but the Bible reveals quite a different truth.
''We are all His creations and under His authority and lordship, and all will be judged by Him, but the right to be a child of God and call Him “Abba Father” is something that only born-again Christians have.

Janosky:
In the spiritual realm Jesus is still calling Jehovah "my Father",
Rev3:5 "before my Father and before his angels" .

Una Jesus is God, yet una "God" dey worship Jehovah , him Father & God for heaven.
All Trinity worshippers no get sense at all... their brain haf lost tay tayy !!!

Their thinking faculty over heats and gives them sifia pains when they try to defend their scam

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