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Jozzy4:
The difference is your lack of comprehension , 1Tim 2:5 can be explained as relating to the New Covenant , have seen some commentaries even do this. Relating it with heb 9:15 Gods elect ones . so its when Watchtower does it that it becomes an issue

The difference between Bible students and majority others is while they believe everyone's destination is heaven, Bible teach the prospect of a new earth which many swept under the carpet . as relating to new covenant the ruled on earth are not King's . so in that sense Jesus mediatorship of new covenant is for some not everyone. But if someone teach everyone's destination is heaven, such ones would say it's for everyone. One key feature " those in the new covenant go to heaven as King and priest " .

But If Everyone either in new earth or heaven PRAYED through Jesus name as intercessor, in this context Jesus is a mediator of all , so they are not wrong to use the verse as you indicated above.

Context matters , its your inability to differentiate when an author discuss Jesus role as it relate to new covenant from Jesus role as intercessor in prayer . giving you issues !

Jozzy4:
The difference is your lack of comprehension , 1Tim 2:5 can be explained as relating to the New Covenant , have seen some commentaries even do this. Relating it with heb 9:15 Gods elect ones . so its when Watchtower does it that it becomes an issue

The difference between Bible students and majority others is while they believe everyone's destination is heaven, Bible teach the prospect of a new earth which many swept under the carpet . as relating to new covenant the ruled on earth are not King's . so in that sense Jesus mediatorship of new covenant is for some not everyone. But if someone teach everyone's destination is heaven, such ones would say it's for everyone. One key feature " those in the new covenant go to heaven as King and priest " .

But If Everyone either in new earth or heaven PRAYED through Jesus name as intercessor, in this context Jesus is a mediator of all , so they are not wrong to use the verse as you indicated above.

Context matters , its your inability to differentiate when an author discuss Jesus role as it relate to new covenant from Jesus role as intercessor in prayer . giving you issues !

achorladey:
Jozzy4:The difference is your lack of comprehension,

Achorladey: Really? or your usual distraction?


Jozzy4: 1Tim 2:5 can be explained as relating to the New Covenant , have seen some commentaries even do this. Relating it with heb 9:15 Gods elect ones . so its when Watchtower does it that it becomes an issue

Achorladey: Did I see your TYPED RELATING to the NEW COVENANT. Hahahahaha and Hebrews 9:15. Hahahahaha.


So what does that tell you about those Christ is mediating for in 1 Timothy 2:15?

Jozzy4: when Watchtower does it that it becomes an issue


Achorladey: The issues the people have with watchtower is saying some people teaches and preach this and tag it FALSE DOCTRINE while the WATCHTOWER teaches the same thing in CODED TERMS.

If you know you know. But don't come back with new adjustments and latest understanding conundrum.

Jozzy4: The difference between Bible students and majority others is while they believe everyone's destination is heaven,

Achorladey: Are you sure it's the BIBLE STUDENTS alone that BELIEVES everyone is going to HEAVEN. Is that BELIEVE a monopoly of the BIBLE STUDENTS?

Jozzy4: Bible teach the prospect of a new earth which many swept under the carpet.

Achorladey: I want to believe your many to MEAN not ALL


Jozzy4: as relating to new covenant the ruled on earth are not King's . so in that sense Jesus mediatorship of new covenant is for some not everyone. But if someone teach everyone's destination is heaven, such ones would say it's for everyone. One key feature " those in the new covenant go to heaven as King and priest ".

Achorladey: Are you backtracking again after your opening words or what?

Jozzy4: But If Everyone either in new earth or heaven PRAYED through Jesus name as intercessor, in this context Jesus is a mediator of all , so they are not wrong to use the verse as you indicated above.

Achorladey: We have repeatedly asked what is this MEDIATORSHIP based upon?

Jozzy4:Context matters ,

Achorladey: I know. The reason you have decided not to agree that the mediatorship of CHRIST is based on the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT.

Jozzy4: its your inability to differentiate when an author discuss Jesus role as it relate to new covenant from Jesus role as intercessor in prayer . giving you issues

Achorladey: After interceding for whoever and whatever, who is that SINGLE MEDIATOR between us and GOD. Why is it stated in that scripture that way?

rottennaija:
You are right. Context matters. Probably, the best to do is to explain the covenants... Explain the old covenant, it's advantages and disadvantages and explain the new covenant with its advantages and disadvantages

achorladey:
Save yourself the energy used in typing, you are a soldier of who?

A. Soldier of Christ

B. Soldier of GB.

Who is the ONE leader of christian soldiers?

A. Jesus Christ

B. Governing body.


The armor and weapons needed by Christ soldiers is obtained from where?

A. The Bible

B. The publications of Jehovah's witnesses.

Did the bible equally expose the machinations and designs of those we war against?

A. Yes

B. No

Was detailed account given on how to use the weapons to combat those we war against.

A. Yes

B No.

After all Jesus is said to be the WORD OF GOD and his soldiers kept CONQUERING with the WORD OF HIS (Jesus) MOUTH.

By now you should know where the CENTRAL COMMAND IS after all Matthew 28:18-20 states



Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

From WHOM did the DIRECTIVE CAME from? and what does that say about COMMAND CENTER YOU SEEK?

Revelation 12:11.....And they conquered him because of the BLOOD of the LAMB and because of the WORD of THEIR WITNESSING, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death.

Maximus69:
'And THEY conquered' Says John! Adding 'word of THEIR witnessing, and THEY did not love THEIR souls'
I just need to identify 'THEM' to be part of those truly following the LION of the tribe of Judah! Revelations 5:5

Jozzy4:
The bold has been my main point all through. Those on earth are not in the new covenant . the new covenant hold the promise of King and priest . Rulers !

Those on earth are not rulers , oh, u won't agree .... Tell me whom they rule upon ?

achorladey:
What is your bolded part all words in uppercase.....

Jozzy4: BIBLE TEACH THE PROSPECT of a NEW EARTH WHICH MANY SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET.

Achorladey: I WANT to BELIEVE YOUR MANY TO MEAN NOT ALL


and you don't understand that my MANY here means not ALL SWEPT the teaching of NEW EARTH under the CARPET and that even before the JWS start preaching and TEACHING NEW EARTH that is attached those who are outside of the new covenant ( "NON ANOINTED CHRISTIAN""OTHER SHEEP" and "GREAT CROWD" many outside had TEACHINGS based on NEW EARTH.


Jozzy4: Those on earth are not rulers , oh, u won't agree .... Tell me whom they rule upon?

Achorladey: When Jesus said there will be resurrection of the UNRIGHTEOUS, who are they?

Jozzy4:
You are wasting your time.
New covenant holds the promise of Royal priesthood . Becoming Rulers, just as Old covenant. Only those in this covenant will be rulers , through whom the entire nation will be blessed .

Moses Mediate ONLY for the Israelites in that old covenant. Same applies to Jesus . ONLY isreal of God , of which only 144,000 are sealed.

So my point remains apart from those in the new covenant , the entire nations of the earth that will be blessed as God promised Abraham are not in that covenant. They are not Kings

Jozzy4:
Thank you Brother . Tomorrow they will say some people can't think independently yet they rely on apostate website to function , ask them anything they run to do copy and paste from there . But it's clear those teaching them didn't give them proper orientation .so refusal to eat from Jehovah's people, they still can't think independently , am still disappointed they rely on others.

rottennaija:
So what was the old covenant? When did it come into effect? What were the conditions? Who were the parties?

So what was the new covenant? When did it come into effect? What were the conditions? Who were the parties?

achorladey:
Jozzy4: Thank you Brother. Tomorrow they will say some people can't think independently

Achorladey: The fact about the matter is that the GB tagged independent thinking DANGEROUS just like you accused the CATHOLICS and they equally use the discipline a friend of yours accused the CATHOLICS of on their members too.

Jozzy4: yet they rely on apostate website to function,

Achorladey: Just like you the GB housed the COMMENTARIES of CHRISTENDOM before they can function abi? Na same same.


That aside

You see what I am saying, the same method Catholics used the JWS apply. Those that don't comply with the whole BODY of TEACHING of GB becomes APOSTATE even when those BODY of TEACHING contains ERRORS, MISTAKES and not INSPIRED. The reason they FROWN at INDEPENDENT THINKING.

Jozzy4: ask them anything they run to do copy and paste from there.

Achorladey: I dont want to see this as usual diversionary tactics.

Have we not equally shown you or cited materials from your magazines over the years and recent one to prove our case. Did we not equally cite scriptures like you do and explain them?

Do the GB not use Bible commentaries of CHRISTENDOM to lambast THEM when they want to prove their CLAIMS. Or run to there platforms to get proof.

Jozzy4: But it's clear those teaching them didn't give them proper orientation.

Achorladey: So when the GB ADJUST their UNDERSTANDING to ALLIGN with christendom believes sometimes it simply means they too are NOT ORIENTATED properly.

Jozzy4: so refusal to eat from Jehovah's people,

Achorladey: and the commentaries written by CHRISTENDOM used to support the THEOLOGY of JW, do you see it as still not having proper ORIENTATION on the PART of the ORGANIZATION and still CANNOT think independently outside of CHRISTENDOM despite stating clearly that the JWS HAVE THE TRUTH?

Jozzy4: they still can't think independently, am still disappointed they rely on others.

Achorladey: You are disappointed? Sorry you don't have to be, even a simple discussion with anyone requires not thinking independently, it requires reasoning with that person. Just you know the ESSENCE of bringing that point concerning INDEPENDENT THINKING is clear to your friend.

Jozzy4:
So much for independent thinking , copying and pasting articles from apostate websites. Eeyah u still rely on those ones to function ?

Jozzy4:
Rotten naija or what's your name, we know those in the new covenant are Kings/rulers over the earth as Rev 5:9,10 reveal. Who are those on earth ruling over if they are in the new covenant as kings ? ?

achorladey:
Since YOU equally rely on those COMMENTARIES of CHRISTENDOM and HOUSE THEM just like the ORGANIZATION you are a member of and tag them APOSTATES. Pele oooooooo.

I repeat once more, do the JWS LOVE INDEPENDENT THINKERS? Oga Jozzy4 wetin you think? After all you no be INDEPENDENT THINKER? It will be INTERESTING if I am to get an answer contrary to that of GB.

rottennaija:
My nairaland name is rottennaija and it's not whatever your name. And it seems obvious you're getting tired. It makes you sound like a broken record. You have repeated the same line of those in the new covenant are Kings/rulers numerously. I'm beginning to think that you may have an Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD).

Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (OCD) is a common, chronic and long-lasting disorder in which a person has uncontrollable, reoccurring thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions) that he or she feels the urge to repeat over and over.

I strongly believe so because it seems not to be a case of lack of comprehension anymore. You seem to think that by repeating yourself many times, it will simply flip a switch, as it were, somewhere and I'll start believing you.

What makes a lie seem true?
There is a technique of someone repeating the same thing over, again and again with the hope that you are going to believe them. The technique is called illusory truth effect, it is a glitch in the human psyche that equates repetition with truth. Marketers, Religious leaders and politicians are masters of manipulating this particular cognitive bias.

WANT TO MAKE A LIE SEEM TRUE? SAY IT AGAIN. AND AGAIN. AND AGAIN

Repetition is what makes fake news work. Even Adolf Hitler knew about the technique and he said, "Slogans should be persistently repeated until the very last individual has come to grasp the idea... "

He also said: "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it. "


Jozzy4, you should know. You should understand and accept that I am quite conversant of these techniques. You have repeatedly mentioned that those in the new covenant are Kings and priest and rulers. You point had been made and very clear. Whether you are right or wrong, whether I am wrong, it's besides what we are discussing now.

Earlier, you and your jw friends were so adamant that Jesus mediates for all men (including you and your friends) and then mediates for 144000. When it eventually became clear that your religion says you and your friends are excluded from the mediator of Jesus, I believe it must have been heart wrecking for you. But you lose at the end, for Jesus,according to your believes and religious leaders is not your mediator.

Now, I'm asking something else. It's obvious that in your mind, only 144,000 144,000 are worthy to be in the new covenant. Now, I'm asking something else. Tell me about the old covenant? When did it come into effect? What were the conditions? Who were the parties? Tell me also about the new covenant? When did it come into effect? What were the conditions? Who were the parties?

I believe answer to this question will make me understand the whole idea of only 144000 in the new covenant and rulers as Kings and priest.

Jozzy4:
Wack.
You can provide where the Bible says those on earth rule upon the unrighteous ?

Don't forget so far... We saw those in heaven said to REIGN over the earth.

Kindly point out where its also said that those on Earth Rule over unrighteous ? ??

Jozzy4:
So much for independent thinking , copying and pasting articles from apostate websites. Eeyah u still rely on those ones to function ?

Jozzy4:
I deal with points.

If am wrong Those to live in the new earth are not in the new covenant, since we both agree those in the new covenant are King and Priest. Just tell by proving me wrong by providing where it says those in the new earth also rule as kings And over whom ?

Jozzy4:
You can continue with your copy and pasting ... let me hear u are independent thinker . so funny

rottennaija:
Now you are putting words into my mouth. I never agree with you in that. So, try not to play the inclusive card with me.

Secondly, let's understand the old covenant and the new. Then it can help us arrive at a clarity.

Jozzy4:
Even achorladey agreed. Enemy camp in chaos indeed

so for what purpose are they bought from earth to heaven through the new covenant ? Heb 3:1, 9:15 , rev 5:9,10

achorladey:
Did I see WACK.

Atleast you agree that there is going to be resurrection of the UNRIGHTEOUS ABI?

With that you will AGREE that these UNRIGHTEOUS are SUBJECTS of THOSE you believe will rule from HEAVEN ABI?

My position has been CHRIST is the MEDIATOR of the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT with a PROMISE that includes making those in this COVENANT GOD'S CHILDREN John 1:12 in ESSENCE ROYALS be it in HEAVEN or EARTH.

You have EQUALLY asked EMPTY EARTH previously? Didn't you?

Since I have filled the earth for YOU, you are still asking the below.......

Jozzy4: Kindly point out where its also said that those on Earth Rule over unrighteous ? ??

Achorladey: After all we have just discussed this scripture below not too long ago

Revelation 5:10...….....
They were singing a new song: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were killed, and at the cost of your own blood you have purchased for God persons from every tribe, language, people, and nation. 10 You have appointed them as a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will REIGN ON THE EARTH.”

Jozzy4: Don't forget so far... We saw those in heaven said to REIGN over the earth.

Achorladey: Who are they once more?

Jozzy4:
Don't cry victim, I knew everything you are regurgitating are from anti JW websites, those half baked articles. I knew, so much for independent thinking

achorladey:
Oga Jozzy4, agreed to what?

Jozzy4:
I didn't ask you all these, Yes. Those bought from earth to heaven will rule over the earth. That's Royals, Kings.


But those on earth, whom are they ruling over ? Whom ?

Are they not kings anymore ?

achorladey:
I want to believe you read that post before responding, if you don't understand it, it still very much available right there go and read again

achorladey:
Thanks for that oooooo. Will he listen? No, he Will soon COIN another DIVERSIONARY tactics.

Jozzy4:

Since those on earth are Kings in your theology, whom are they ruling over??