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Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by lahify(m): 5:40am On May 16, 2019
Pistotita:


I think using NPK 15 15 15 is more cost effective. You don't have 15% Nitrogen on it. So, the manufacturer will add more filler which is not too good. And they call it bloom fertilizer. Hmmmm! But wait! Did you call it organic? Ok. If organic, that is another story. What materials are used to make it? And the urea + npk. Just use NPK 15 15 15 again during flowering. I would ditch the bloom fertilizer if it is synthetic. But if the raw materials are organic, I will go for it since it will help in reducing salt.

But why dont you just use SSP only for phosphorus? And if you will NO later, just subtract that from the SSP you will apply during soil preparation. You need to apply nutrient before sowing. apply nutrient 10 days after sowing is a bad technique. If you apply nutrients in soil before planting cucumber, be ready to run cos that cucumber will be flying.


Why do you delay fertilizer application till 10 days after germination? What will your plants feed on for 10 days? Try to use SSP + NPK inside the holes you are planting. Mix very well and see result. You will be amazed. Then after 10 days, start using urea only.

If MOP works well for you, fine. But for me, it is too expensive to use on open field when there are cheaper options readily available.
thanks a lot for this info
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 6:59am On May 16, 2019
lahify:
thanks a lot for this info

I am still interested in finding out the ingredients used in making this so called organic fertilizer. Could you share pic? Which company makes it? Where can I buy it? I doubt the inorganic stuff in it. Also, I doubt organic fertilizers in Nigeria can have up to 15% P and K. I still think you mix it up. But if true, it is worth looking into. And I will have to send it to a laboratory to confirm if truly the content is accurate. Too many dishonest sellers in Nigeria.
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 7:13am On May 16, 2019
What kinds of Fertilizer do you use?
How do you apply them? Please, share your style, and let us fine- tune it together. If you want to take farming serious, you should take the health of your soil seriously. I will recommend basic instruments you need to check your soil and how to use them to improve your soil condition. Honestly, the best way around it is organically If you are doing veggie.

I will like organic guys to participate here too. In fact, I am interested so much in organic styles of soil amendments. Nothing stops you from sharing. You hold on to Ondo, and you continue reading what we put here, and you think you are doing yourself good, lol. You will blow up of too much info soon. The more you share, the more you get it accurate. It is from experience.

Solutions and contributions you give here can open doors. If I tell you the doors that have been opened with my love for teaching, night will fall, morning will come too.

Do not hesitate to ask questions too.

Remember: If you make just 1 plot on your farm very fertile, free from pests and diseases, and you invest in quality high yield seeds, you will harvest more than 1 acre farm. You will pay less salaries, you will not over work yourself. And you can convert the remaining large area into grain production. Or you expand gradually buy making one plot fertile gradually every six months. You may decide to add animal husbandry just to get manure. Who knows, you may even add bio-gas. Just do it gradually.

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Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 1:58pm On May 16, 2019
New Tomato Seeds arrived via DHL this morning. I have nurses 8 seeds inside two 10cm window fibre screen pot, which I will thin to one seed per pot. I expect these seeds to germinate in 5 to 8 days. Also, I am waiting for my supplier to send me the cucumber Beit Alpha seeds. Hopefully, will be mailed on Monday, and I will receive them upper week.

Meanwhile, I have subjected about 10 old seeds to tissue paper/towel germination test; perhaps, two can germinate (attached is the picture). Though, the new seeds I am receiving are better fortified variety with higher yield with earlier germination rate according to the supplier.

We shall see how things go.

Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by lahify(m): 6:27pm On May 16, 2019
Pistotita:


I am still interested in finding out the ingredients used in making this so called organic fertilizer. Could you share pic? Which company makes it? Where can I buy it? I doubt the inorganic stuff in it. Also, I doubt organic fertilizers in Nigeria can have up to 15% P and K. I still think you mix it up. But if true, it is worth looking into. And I will have to send it to a laboratory to confirm if truly the content is accurate. Too many dishonest sellers in Nigeria.
no sir, you got it all wrong, the npk 0 15 15 is an inorganic fertilizer while the fruit bloom is an organic fertilizer, it enhances multiple flower formation.here is a snapshot of the fruit bloom from the guy that introduced me to it, di grow red also works wonders with multiple flower formation

Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 10:23pm On May 16, 2019
lahify:
no sir, you got it all wrong, the npk 0 15 15 is an inorganic fertilizer while the fruit bloom is an organic fertilizer, it enhances multiple flower formation.here is a snapshot of the fruit bloom from the guy that introduced me to it, di grow red also works wonders with multiple flower formation

Bro, if you get a good 15 15 15 NPK, it is better than the 0 15 15 fertilizer in my opinion. But like I said earlier, 15 15 15 NPK is not a good fertilizer. It needs to be adjusted. I always fine tune it. Very soon, it will be banned. And this 0 15 15 is worse. A terrible option in my opinion.

I wish you share the pictures of all these boom, harvest, bal.bla bla products. And I wish that the manufacturer write details about the enzymes that attracts insects for pollination which are added to the products. Organic stuff makers are deceivers. LOL.

bro, I don't want to spoil market for anyone. But DI grow is not as good as it is claimed. It is ordinary water to me. There is no enough nutrient inside it. You better formulate your own Foliar spray instead of using that DI grow, or whatever it is called. One day my manager brought it newly that there is a miracle Foliar spray. As soon as I checked it, I told him that he should never bring it to my farm again. Never! If you want me to show you why I said he should never bring it to my farm again, just get me pictures of DI grow and I will show you clearly that the stuff is almost like water. I will rather prepare my own Foliar spray than use that product.

If possible, let us see the pictures of all these stuff you have mentioned. And post the picture of the ingredients if they write it on the label. I doubt it. Organic manufacturers will never. And it is why I do not use them, esp those ones from Asia. The ones in the US always put the ingredients there and it is why I patronize them more. Who will just spray what he does not know the content? absolutely, not me. Never!
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by lahify(m): 5:00am On May 17, 2019
Pistotita:


Bro, if you get a good 15 15 15 NPK, it is better than the 0 15 15 fertilizer in my opinion. But like I said earlier, 15 15 15 NPK is not a good fertilizer. It needs to be adjusted. I always fine tune it. Very soon, it will be banned. And this 0 15 15 is worse. A terrible option in my opinion.

I wish you share the pictures of all these boom, harvest, bal.bla bla products. And I wish that the manufacturer write details about the enzymes that attracts insects for pollination which are added to the products. Organic stuff makers are deceivers. LOL.

bro, I don't want to spoil market for anyone. But DI grow is not as good as it is claimed. It is ordinary water to me. There is no enough nutrient inside it. You better formulate your own Foliar spray instead of using that DI grow, or whatever it is called. One day my manager brought it newly that there is a miracle Foliar spray. As soon as I checked it, I told him that he should never bring it to my farm again. Never! If you want me to show you why I said he should never bring it to my farm again, just get me pictures of DI grow and I will show you clearly that the stuff is almost like water. I will rather prepare my own Foliar spray than use that product.

If possible, let us see the pictures of all these stuff you have mentioned. And post the picture of the ingredients if they write it on the label. I doubt it. Organic manufacturers will never. And it is why I do not use them, esp those ones from Asia. The ones in the US always put the ingredients there and it is why I patronize them more. Who will just spray what he does not know the content? absolutely, not me. Never!
bro you are just spitting fire, it's good to know we have knowledgeable farmers like you in Nigeria, please can you enlighten me and others on how to formulate our own foliar fertilizer and how to adjust npk fertilizer?
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 8:27am On May 17, 2019
lahify:
bro you are just spitting fire, it's good to know we have knowledgeable farmers like you in Nigeria, please can you enlighten me and others on how to formulate our own foliar fertilizer and how to adjust npk fertilizer?

There are many knowledgeable people, and most are silent. Just cashing money silently. But you know that veggie is risky. I have been burnt many times. And even recently. Not farm management, but human pests. We will talk about that later. And coupled with health issues, I slowed down my activities drastically. So, take it easy bro. Do not let the fire you are talking about burn you. It is a long way to recovery if you get burnt. Scientists die in their laboratories.

I like talking with facts. And I will prove my case reasonably and logically. Infact, you will see sense in it. Also, I always give pros and cons. I know them cos I have pass through the paths. And I am someone who asks questions.

Most of what you are asking are do-able, but challenging. Sure, we will discuss them.

But first, kindly post the pictures of the bottles, or sachets of the organic boom, harvest pro, and other stuff you mentioned. Post the front label, and the section where ingredients, and doses are explained. I will show you something there. Infact, let me just give it to you now.


Look at this DI Grow which sellers will tell you contains heaven and earth. N= 1.85, P=1.85, K=3.31 + TE. What are TE? Boron, Manganese, Molybdenum, Zinc, and Copper. Lol. And 1 liter sold for around N6,000. Chai! Kai!


Manure or Compost Tea Fortified with Enzymes, Microbes, and Minerals
Instead of this, I will pick rabbit, poultry, cattle, or piggery manure. 15% water poultry manure has NPK value of 6:4:3. Haha haha. Just compare it with this ingredient. I can make 50 liters for free. And get liquid content of NPK of 6:4:3 with better TE . And they sell this DI grow of 1.85 : 1.85 : 3.31 for above N6,000. Which materials they even use for this product? Dem no use curse for me. I told my manager to keep that product off my farm. And I showed him how to make compost tea from manure.

To keep it for long, just ferment it with organic sugar, maybe Sugar cane or brown sugar. At worst mollases. If you are good with microbes (I just do not include microbes anyhow, I investigate microbes beneficial for each crops, and go deeper to find the best strain. I check first with research institutes in Nigeria for such strains, and if I cannot get, I move to Asia and North America to import them. Simple as ABC. Again, there are various fruits and enzymes, vitamins, minerals, amino acids etc one can add organically to make it super nutritious and highly potent. Of course, if I decide to sell 1 liter of my products for N10,000 it is worth it. Who will buy this ordinary water for over N6,000. Certainly not me, maybe you. LOL.

I use various materials to push up NPK. Many know about wood ash for potassium. If course, there are options. And then, many know about shells and egg shells for calcium. Burnt bones ash can be used for phosphoric Calcium too. Ordinary giant grasses are loaded with Nitrogen. Or you can grow nitrogen fixing crops first if your land is bad. The list is endless.

Legumes as mulch for 30 ha farm
A guy consulted me on mulching is farm for maize. Using nylon is too expensive. So, we just planted legumes, and the rest is history.

Fungicides from herbs
Garlic, ginger, pepper are ok but not always the best. There are Chinese herbs I researched that can kill tough diseases. I simple import them, and make tincture out of them. They are potent for many years as long as they are in dark glass bottles. I have about 20 different herbs for this purpose. I am still getting more. I research always.

Pesticides from herbs and Leaves
Of course there are many leaves that can be used. There are even special leaves which kill thrips, aphids, fruit flies, white flies, etc better than Imidacloprid.

Fruits are Enzymes
If you can ferment well, ferment as many as possible. But there are contradictory fruits to plants. You can spoil the taste of your fruit with wrong combinations and doses. It is why these manufacturers out in very little of enzymes (just traces). But if you are good, and you know what you are doing, get the right enzyme for what you need it for, and bombard it. You will produce the sweetest fruit ever.

Collagen from animals and Aquatic
This is a recent technology. I started taking protein powder from these materials. It is just another form of isolated protein like Whey, Soy, and Caisen protein. Body builders know about what I am saying. They are special enzymes for building tissues in the body - make, nail grow longer, make skin glow, flush gut and colon, make way for probiotics and good bacteria to function well in the body. Same principle can be applied to plants. Cancer is not allowed with this product. Mildews, blights, viruses, wilts, etc will try before they can penetrate into your plants.

Vinegar
Rice Vinegar and Apple Vinegar, are very good. They are also good sterilizers, and they kill weed too. If you do not throw away the Mother, you will have good enzymes. Do not buy vinegar anyhow. Get it from someone who knows about it. You will be glad you do so.

Amino Acids from Aquatic creatures
Best form of organic amino acid. Get it from an expert who can formulate well. Very important. And let it be fermented so it can last months or years. But if you are a good farmer, it will finish fast, and you get high profit with it.

Common Microorganism
There is a guy here on nairaland who has made a thread on LAB, enzymes from coconut, from sprouts of legumes, and and nice stuff. Yeah! These are common ones which can be added.

General Effective Microorganism
I think Shonghai has not yet released the formular for their Effective Microorganism. lol. But if I show you that secret, you will just look at those Shonghai people as "Bailers". Anyway, if you can make it, go for it. Just be careful. There is a thin line between catching deadly disease antibiotics cannot cure and being sent six feet below. I always tell people. So do not try it if you know your immume system is not good. And protect yourself. If you catch something terrible while doing this, you will see heaven on earth. So not let me say something else. I do not do this again cos I do not know the strains I am trying to multiply. I go for specific strains. I prefer to import them, read about the strain very well. And in most cases, I ditch out strains that can injure me no matter how good they are. Life has no duplicate. Until I have a standard laboratory which can assure me of 100% protection when using dangerous or unknown strain I will not do dangerous stuff. For now, let me waste money to import safe strains I prefer it, I love it like this. Not your money. lol!

And so on....

I will pick inorganic Foliar instead of DI grow or over most organic Foliar fertilizers . Haifa bonus and Maxiforce have NPK value of 20 20 20. It means that about 11 liters of DI grow will give you exactly what 1 liter Haifa Bonus and Maxiforce give you. But then, do Haifa bonus and Maxiforce are really 20 20 20 as claimed? Hmmmm! Let us just be careful. Neither do I use MaxiForce nor Haifa Bonus/any other inorganic Foliar spray again. Waste of resources to me. I spray mainly micro elements, Magnesium and Sulphur with all other stuff I have listed above. There are more to the list depending on the crop I am growing.

I hope I have been able to answer your question very well.

Let the questions flow. I will give you concepts you can follow and become a pro yourself. You do not need to go my way. What you need are the concepts, and develop on them. Anyone can do it.

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Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by OluchiDelly: 12:41pm On May 17, 2019
Degis:
Fluentinfor is back as psitotita. Welcome, se daada lode ati nreti re.
grin exactly my thought. just opened d thread now, the moment i opened, i knw he's d one. the guy was born in days of Apostle Paul...he sabi write am for epistles
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by lahify(m): 11:09pm On May 17, 2019
thanks the ingredients is not written on it

Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 5:32am On May 18, 2019
lahify:
thanks the ingredients is not written on it

Many unlaballed mixtures are very good. It is the maker you just have to depend on. Since some have not got patent or registered with nafdac, they will not bother to write it. Just be careful. Try it, if it works well, let us know.

What kinds of vegetable do you cultivate? How is your progress so far?
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by lahify(m): 3:33pm On May 18, 2019
Pistotita:


Many unlaballed mixtures are very good. It is the maker you just have to depend on. Since some have not got patent or registered with nafdac, they will not bother to write it. Just be careful. Try it, if it works well, let us know.

What kinds of vegetable do you cultivate? How is your progress so far?
would cultivate cucumber in the next few days, would let you guys know how effective it is
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 7:10pm On May 18, 2019
Why is everyone doing mainly cucumber?
Cucumber is very tough. I believe advance farmers should handle it. And the cost of producing it is high. Staking is tough, prunning is not easy. Trust your workers with prunning, and you may cry. Downey mildew is crazy. Yet, many people are doing It? And only less than 5% are successful. If you have never tried cucumber, and you jump into it, you'll land in hospital.

The pace is like Nicholas Anelka when he was fit, or let me say its pace is like Mbappe. Even tomato is like a child's play in comparison with cucumber. Tomato is tough, do not get me wrong, but cucumber is crazier, requires more water, more nutrients, more expensive to manage, and faster.

And most people always cultivate above what they can handle.

Why can't people think of mini farms? 1/4 to 1/2 plot for each crop, And cultivate 4 crops with progressive and continuous plan? Why do people just launch into cucumber without knowing what it takes? What stops farmers from having weekly supply of mini cucumber cultivars like 100kg to premium market @ N400 to N600 per kg? This is very ok to me. And then the same farmer can supply 200kg of sweet pepper @ N400 to N950 per kg weekly; 500 Cauliflower heads at N400 to N1,200 each every fortnight, can even be weekly; and weekly supply of 200kg eggplant at N150 to N400 per kg?

The above paragraph is how a smart farmer should think. And this is exactly what I developed recently after I resigned from 1 acre cucumber. Very relieving and easier to do.

Start up cost might be high as shading is necessarily to keep temperature low for some plants, staking are necessary for some, drip irrigation is a must for some, and I used hydroponics for some areas just to make life easier for me.

I still wonder why people always want to cultivate 2 ha of watermelon with rain. 10 ha of tomatoes with rain. It is just crazy. Managing 1 acre of Cucumber is crazy work if staking and prunning are adopted.

I mean, why are you all runing into cucumber only?

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Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Juliana7: 8:16pm On May 18, 2019
@op, thanks for ur thought-provoking insight. Pls sir is pruning necessary in cucumber farming vis-a-vis wanting to attain high yield stuff. If yes, pls sir what are pros and probable d cons. Thanks
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by okoroemeka(m): 8:33pm On May 18, 2019
Juliana7:
@op, thanks for ur thought-provoking insight. Pls sir is pruning necessary in cucumber farming vis-a-vis wanting to attain high yield stuff. If yes, pls sir what are pros and probable d cons. Thanks
we tired pruning a market more site we had once and have to abandon the idea after 4 days,we discovered that cucumbers have adapted to throwing out lateral shots,if you cut one, tomorrow two will emerge in unexpected places,we ended up playing a game of hide and seek until we got fed up and accepted defeat.

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Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 10:04pm On May 18, 2019
Juliana7:
@op, thanks for ur thought-provoking insight. Pls sir is pruning necessary in cucumber farming vis-a-vis wanting to attain high yield stuff. If yes, pls sir what are pros and probable d cons. Thanks

Provoking insight? Hahahahaha! Sir, your head is also spinning some figures. and it is just mini plots. lol.

I had to put on my thinking cap when workers started showing me "pepper".

Prunning is a double edged sword
One day, I was talking to a colleague and boasting about prunning. The guy allowed me "well well". And he started, by the time he finished, I had a "rethink" about prunning.

1. Cutting leaves and stems is a big stress to plants. I always spray stress reliever after prunning.
2. They are like injuries. And boom airborne diseases like mildew can easily penetrate. I spray contact fungicides before prunning, and systemic fungicides after prunning.
3. It slows down immume system too. Stress reliever needed.
4. prune too much and you will reduce yield drastically.
5. They tell you to prune the first 3 to 5 fruits from the suckers closest to ground. lol. You have just aborted 5 fruits. It is ok if your plants are underfed. But when you learn how to feed cucumber and they grow like you give them steroid, you do not prune fruits at all. But many times, I had to abort fruits too. And it delays market time. And you see diseases coming up too. Scary!
6. You need labor to prune. And labor is expensive and scarce. So, at times, it is more profitable just not to prune.
7. Why attempt prunning when you are just 3 workers on a farm with 5,000 plants?
8. I also prune up to the top of stakes. Then after, I allow it grow crazily. Meaning, no more prunning.

But....
1. Prunning allows fruits to take more energy. When you cut away leaves, fruits get bigger.
2. less load, means quality fruits.
3. Free flow of air.
4. Just get like 1,000 plants under a sterilized environment. And prune them all, if you can professionally. You prune cultivars differently.
5. There is umbrella style, normal style, and many others.
6. Depending on the cultivars, you should prune laterals from. 1 node to 5 nodes. It depends on cultivars.


Take note
1. Modern seeds aspire to make very short distances between nodes. So that you can have much more steps and nodes before you reach the top of your stake.
2. Not having good light makes plants stretch up , thereby decreasing nodes. Also transplanting late if using nursery does same harm.
3. Multiple fruits with low nutrient or lower rate of nutrient absorption will result to curve fruits.
4. Modern seeds are trying to produce few laterals for monoecious. So, prunning will not be necessary. I have a seed like that. The boy who is managing the farm is grateful. This morning, he was so thankful. No prunning at all. The gene of the plant is so great as monoecious. I just love it. Feuits are big too.

And so on....

The choice is yours. I do not condemn farmers anymore. Whether you choose to prune it, or not, just make sure you do it rightly. But prunning is really tasking. Is it really worth it with cheap seeds? May be not. But with serious high yield fruits, you want to prune very well for free air flow and good fruits. And you know that you have few plants which will last 3 to 4 months harvest. There are varieties like that if you really search well. But when you treat them badly, they die faster than less quality cultivars.

The choice is yours as a farmer to take.
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Starraysfarm8: 10:36pm On May 18, 2019
OluchiDelly:

grin exactly my thought. just opened d thread now, the moment i opened, i knw he's d one. the guy was born in days of Apostle Paul...he sabi write am for epistles
lol the guy taya me..we are waiting to see his/her cucumber growing. Agric is more pragmatic in approach than epistles of the apostles.
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by FMCASH(m): 1:07am On May 19, 2019
Pistotita:
Why is everyone doing mainly cucumber?
Cucumber is very tough. I believe advance farmers should handle it. And the cost of producing it is high. Staking is tough, prunning is not easy. Trust your workers with prunning, and you may cry. Downey mildew is crazy. Yet, many people are doing It? And only less than 5% are successful. If you have never tried cucumber, and you jump into it, you'll land in hospital.

The pace is like Nicholas Anelka when he was fit, or let me say its pace is like Mbappe. Even tomato is like a child's play in comparison with cucumber. Tomato is tough, do not get me wrong, but cucumber is crazier, requires more water, more nutrients, more expensive to manage, and faster.

And most people always cultivate above what they can handle.

Why can't people think of mini farms? 1/4 to 1/2 plot for each crop, And cultivate 4 crops with progressive and continuous plan? Why do people just launch into cucumber without knowing what it takes? What stops farmers from having weekly supply of mini cucumber cultivars like 100kg to premium market @ N400 to N600 per kg? This is very ok to me. And then the same farmer can supply 200kg of sweet pepper @ N400 to N950 per kg weekly; 500 Cauliflower heads at N400 to N1,200 each every fortnight, can even be weekly; and weekly supply of 200kg eggplant at N150 to N400 per kg?

The above paragraph is how a smart farmer should think. And this is exactly what I developed recently after I resigned from 1 acre cucumber. Very relieving and easier to do.

Start up cost might be high as shading is necessarily to keep temperature low for some plants, staking are necessary for some, drip irrigation is a must for some, and I used hydroponics for some areas just to make life easier for me.

I still wonder why people always want to cultivate 2 ha of watermelon with rain. 10 ha of tomatoes with rain. It is just crazy. Managing 1 acre of Cucumber is crazy work if staking and prunning are adopted.

I mean, why are you all runing into cucumber only?
you nail it bro, my first project was 700m² and was horrible. I am doing 200m² now and I'm happy with it. Batch by batch is still the best.
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 1:10pm On May 19, 2019
FMCASH:
you nail it bro, my first project was 700m² and was horrible. I am doing 200m² now and I'm happy with it. Batch by batch is still the best.

Your comment tells me you understand the concept in the epistles. And you see truths in them. 700sqm cucumber is no joke. Meanwhile, my view is that anyone who finds less than 1,000 words to be epistle, does not have reading and studying habits. Most likely, they belong to the category of people who paid someone to sell them previous written senior honors project, and they copied word for word. It is dangerous to sit with such people in exams, because they will copy all ones work, even copy the name, and identification/student/matriculation numbers of the person they are copying. They just read too fast without trying to think. Wisdom is always far from them. And where does Wisdom lie? In epistles.

But what can we Do? We must pamper them like infants they are with pictorial style of communication. Pictures are coming soon for such people to learn. But I am sure, there will still be some who will still find faults with the style. If I have to draw cartoons to make them grab my concepts, I will be honored to do it. They should just ask politely.

Back to your comments sir. Sure, I believe we can learn together as soon as my new seeds arrive and we journey together on this thread. Comments like yours, backgrounds messages, and emails put smile on my face to ignore nasty comments. We just need to ignore nasty people. And people who make assumptions should try to be 100% accurate before voicing out their opinions so they do not misguide others. Thank you brother!

Do you have workers? Or is it just you doing it alone, but with daily paid workers?
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by FMCASH(m): 9:37pm On May 19, 2019
Pistotita:


Your comment tells me you understand the concept in the epistles. And you see truths in them. 700sqm cucumber is no joke. Meanwhile, my view is that anyone who finds less than 1,000 words to be epistle, does not have reading and studying habits. Most likely, they belong to the category of people who paid someone to sell them previous written senior honors project, and they copied word for word. It is dangerous to sit with such people in exams, because they will copy all ones work, even copy the name, and identification/student/matriculation numbers of the person they are copying. They just read too fast without trying to think. Wisdom is always far from them. And where does Wisdom lie? In epistles.

But what can we Do? We must pamper them like infants they are with pictorial style of communication. Pictures are coming soon for such people to learn. But I am sure, there will still be some who will still find faults with the style. If I have to draw cartoons to make them grab my concepts, I will be honored to do it. They should just ask politely.

Back to your comments sir. Sure, I believe we can learn together as soon as my new seeds arrive and we journey together on this thread. Comments like yours, backgrounds messages, and emails put smile on my face to ignore nasty comments. We just need to ignore nasty people. And people who make assumptions should try to be 100% accurate before voicing out their opinions so they do not misguide others. Thank you brother!

Do you have workers? Or is it just you doing it alone, but with daily paid workers?

I manage my farm myself approximately 2000m² I do work batch by batch. I work morning, evening and night. Break 12pm to 4pm. I love it. Farming is life while passion and visions drive's you faster.
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 6:22am On May 20, 2019
FMCASH:


I manage my farm myself approximately 2000m² I do work batch by batch. I work morning, evening and night. Break 12pm to 4pm. I love it. Farming is life while passion and visions drive's you faster.

ok. But not everyone can do what you are doing. Many do not have the time. I guess it is your passion. But I hope it is profitable.

If you are close to Lagos, you may want to add Okra (long type), purple long eggplant, lettuce, cauliflower, and zuchini . If irrigation can be installed, or land close to stream that does not need irrigation, you will make it big. And production is cheap. Can assist you with sales. I gat some buyers who have been bothering me for many months.

If you are the type who can take instructions via texting, and not want me on your farm, I can guide you without taking kobo for consultancy fee. Infact, I hardly take it when I am guiding anyone. Just impressed with your passion.

And if you have accommodation, there are dudes who are good that I can show you their profiles so you choose who can join you to lift up your spirit. And both of you share the profit of your farm. Of course such person may or may not put in cash. It is your choice. It can Just be boring doing it all alone. You might need a serious hustler, not workers. It's about negotiation. Might even allocate a plot for the person. Doing good goes a long way. As you help others, you are helping yourself. But while doing good, we must be strict and careful. Foolish, idiotic, and evil people will show up among angels.

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Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by FMCASH(m): 2:08pm On May 20, 2019
Thanks, I'm close to Lagos, Owode Egba precisely. I will be interested in adding zucchini and garden egg for now
Pistotita:


ok. But not everyone can do what you are doing. Many do not have the time. I guess it is your passion. But I hope it is profitable.

If you are close to Lagos, you may want to add Okra (long type), purple long eggplant, lettuce, cauliflower, and zuchini . If irrigation can be installed, or land close to stream that does not need irrigation, you will make it big. And production is cheap. Can assist you with sales. I gat some buyers who have been bothering me for many months.

If you are the type who can take instructions via texting, and not want me on your farm, I can guide you without taking kobo for consultancy fee. Infact, I hardly take it when I am guiding anyone. Just impressed with your passion.

And if you have accommodation, there are dudes who are good that I can show you their profiles so you choose who can join you to lift up your spirit. And both of you share the profit of your farm. Of course such person may or may not put in cash. It is your choice. It can Just be boring doing it all alone. You might need a serious hustler, not workers. It's about negotiation. Might even allocate a plot for the person. Doing good goes a long way. As you help others, you are helping yourself. But while doing good, we must be strict and careful. Foolish, idiotic, and evil people will show up among angels.
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by globalimpunity: 3:00pm On May 20, 2019
At MAJIK FARM we explore integrated ecological agriculture through the lens of holistic management, regrarian design, permaculture, the keyline scale of permanence, biomimicry and advance farming techniques to increase productivity and benefit our customers with strong and steady supply across the globe, Here are the foodstuffs that we can export to foreign Countries :
Smoked fish, Gari, Beans Flour, Melon seed (Egusi Ground), Ogbono,Cassava Flour, Bitterleaf, Dried Ugu leaf:, Palmwine, Butter production. Coconut processing,Pepper,Tomato , Hibiscus flower, Yoghurt,Pap (Ogi), Ukazi leaf
,Others are,Hot Chilli Pepper – Ground, Kolanut, Potato, Semolina, Ginger beer, Kilishi, Soybean, Groundnut, okra, Cassava, Yam, Honey, Snail, Bitter Kola, Ofada rice, Catfish, Shrimps, Pounded Yam Flour, Poultry, Fruit juice, Cashew, Plantain Flour, Palm Oilwe after our management knows the varieties of farm product you will like to contract with us with details and shipping specification we will deliver with time consciousness throughout the year .
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 3:07pm On May 20, 2019
FMCASH:
Thanks, I'm close to Lagos, Owode Egba precisely. I will be interested in adding zucchini and garden egg for now

Okra has better opportunities. lol. It's not short type. It's the type Indians, Lebanese, and Chinese buy. I will tell you the kinds of cultivars you buy For zucchini and eggplant. When you are ready, get in touch.
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 3:16pm On May 20, 2019
globalimpunity:
At MAJIK FARM we explore integrated ecological agriculture through the lens of holistic management, regrarian design, permaculture, the keyline scale of permanence, biomimicry and advance farming techniques to increase productivity and benefit our customers with strong and steady supply across the globe, Here are the foodstuffs that we can export to foreign Countries :
Smoked fish, Gari, Beans Flour, Melon seed (Egusi Ground), Ogbono,Cassava Flour, Bitterleaf, Dried Ugu leaf:, Palmwine, Butter production. Coconut processing,Pepper,Tomato, Hibiscus flower, Yoghurt,Pap (Ogi), Ukazi leaf
,Others are,Hot Chilli Pepper – Ground, Kolanut, Potato, Semolina, Ginger beer, Kilishi, Soybean, Groundnut, okra, Cassava, Yam, Honey, Snail,
Bitter Kola, Ofada rice, Catfish, Shrimps, Pounded Yam Flour, Poultry, Fruit juice, Cashew, Plantain Flour, Palm Oilwe after our management knows the varieties of farm product you will like to contract with us with details and shipping specification we will deliver with time consciousness throughout the year .

Let's say I want to contract with you on hibiscus flower, could you share with me the process you will export the product? When do I get paid? What pricing method do you use? Of course, there are many other items on your list which I can facilitate, but let us talk about hibiscus first.

Thanks!
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Juliana7: 7:37pm On May 20, 2019
@op, pls Sir, is it true that they varieties/cultivars they use for planting tomatoes during the raining season is quite different from what is used for dry season.
Pls Sir I am currently sourcing for land very close to Lagos. Pls I would like to learn from u and equally those veggies u mentioned above. Thanks
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Juliana7: 7:38pm On May 20, 2019
@op, pls sir is it true that varieties/cultivars they use for planting tomatoes during the raining season is quite different from what is used for dry season..
Pls sir i am currently source for land very close to lagos, pls i like to learn from u and equally those veggies u mentioned above. Thanks
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 8:36pm On May 20, 2019
Juliana7:
@op, pls sir is it true that varieties/cultivars they use for planting tomatoes during the raining season is quite different from what is used for dry season..
Pls sir i am currently source for land very close to lagos, pls i like to learn from u and equally those veggies u mentioned above. Thanks

Yes. It is true.

Juliana. A bro or a sis?

Two reasons:

Number 1:
Padma:
High Resistance- tomato mosaic virus, Fusarium oxysporum f.sp. lycopersici race 1, 2, Verticillium dahliae ,
Intermediate Resistance: Bacterial Wilt

Platanium:
High Resistance -Tomato mosaic virus Verticillium Dahliae
intermediate resistance: Bacterial Wilt, Tomato Yellow Leaf Curl Virus

Fusarium 1,2,3 are rampant during rainy season. Padma knocks out 1 and 2. Though can be controlled with fungicides.

TYLCV is a virus caused by whiteflies. And very deadly. Though you can use special pesticides. But during rainy season, you hardly have challenges with virus.

Number 2:
Parma aborts fruits with high heat. This is the main reason. It has poor heat fruit setting. Heat aborts the flowers.

The main reason I do not consider East West tomato cultivars is because non of their seeds can tolerate Early and Late Blight. Too bad. If blight occurs, one is screwed. So, the option left is not to joke with special fungicides for early blights. One of such chemical is around N15,000 to N21,000 for just 500ml. And you need it continuously. Cos it it catches blight at any stage, you are screwed.

In General, fear these diseases: Bacterial Wilt, TYCLV, Early Blight, Late Blight. These are tropical terrible diseases. Also be ready to face Vd, Fol 3, and TMV.

There are techniques to go about this. Various styles. Most farmers find them too expensive. But the ones who followed good counsel always return.

Sure, you can use either padma or Platanium. But there are better solutions with better yield and with lesser stress. They are just more expensive. But reward is great, and maintenance is cheaper too.

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Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by FMCASH(m): 10:45pm On May 20, 2019
Pistotita:


Okra has better opportunities. lol. It's not short type. It's the type Indians, Lebanese, and Chinese buy. I will tell you the kinds of cultivars you buy For zucchini and eggplant. When you are ready, get in touch.
I can try the 3 on pilot scale, your contact
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 11:08pm On May 20, 2019
FMCASH:
I can try the 3 on pilot scale, your contact

Send mail via nairaland, from there we pick it up. Will introduce you to some contacts and you follow it up yourself. Too many things in my hands. I cannot use all the opportunities for myself alone. Better to give some out.

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Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Juliana7: 1:49am On May 21, 2019
Pistotita:


Yes. It is true.

Juliana. A bro or a sis?

Two reasons:

Number 1:
Padma:
High Resistance- tomato mosaic virus, Fusarium oxysporum f.sp. lycopersici race 1, 2, Verticillium dahliae ,
Intermediate Resistance: Bacterial Wilt

Platanium:
High Resistance -Tomato mosaic virus Verticillium Dahliae
intermediate resistance: Bacterial Wilt, Tomato Yellow Leaf Curl Virus

Fusarium 1,2,3 are rampant during rainy season. Padma knocks out 1 and 2. Though can be controlled with fungicides.

TYLCV is a virus caused by whiteflies. And very deadly. Though you can use special pesticides. But during rainy season, you hardly have challenges with virus.

Number 2:
Parma aborts fruits with high heat. This is the main reason. It has poor heat fruit setting. Heat aborts the flowers.

The main reason I do not consider East West tomato cultivars is because non of their seeds can tolerate Early and Late Blight. Too bad. If blight occurs, one is screwed. So, the option left is not to joke with special fungicides for early blights. One of such chemical is around N15,000 to N21,000 for just 500ml. And you need it continuously. Cos it it catches blight at any stage, you are screwed.

In General, fear these diseases: Bacterial Wilt, TYCLV, Early Blight, Late Blight. These are tropical terrible diseases. Also be ready to face Vd, Fol 3, and TMV.

There are techniques to go about this. Various styles. Most farmers find them too expensive. But the ones who followed good counsel always return.

Sure, you can use either padma or Platanium. But there are better solutions with better yield and with lesser stress. They are just more expensive. But reward is great, and maintenance is cheaper too.
i`m a bro, cant i.m.o or pseudomonia help with d bacterial problem. So sir for a farmer who is serious so open pollinated varieties can not be used for rainy or dry season? Pls sir can i send u a message? Thanks.
Re: 40 Cucumbers Per Plant And 12kg Tomatoes Per Plant by Nobody: 9:06am On May 21, 2019
Juliana7:
i`m a bro, cant i.m.o or pseudomonia help with d bacterial problem. So sir for a farmer who is serious so open pollinated varieties can not be used for rainy or dry season? Pls sir can i send u a message? Thanks.

I always welcome messages. I respond very fast. My phone is always with me. My colleagues, fellow loyal farmers can send messages anytime, so at any sound from my phone, I park if driving to respond fast. That is me. But I always make sure reasonable people are with my phone number. It is why I use the email method here. I can put my phone here, but people will abuse it. And crazy ones who are not farmers but just looking for troubles will bombard one. Also, sellers of inferior products that we have been bursting their bubbles aren't left out. I hope you understand. Kindly send me a message first here. We will pick it up. And everyone is welcome to send me messages.

Why Not? A wonderful choice. Pseudonomas for bacteria, and Trichoderma for Fungi. There are many other strains. Just that these two are popularized by Indians. Some Americans frowns about them, and I understand them. Just be careful with them. There are many other choices. And those ones put in Talc powder and users just use directly on soil are waste of cash. You should still test, revive, and repopulate them with manure first. I use like 20 to 50 strains at once. And I repopulate them on substrate used for mushroom. I do it like this because I do not want to handle manure at all. And just like you see above in one of my posts, I have quite a number of big pressure pots that I use for sterilizing in my kitchen. I do not want to suffer cooking soil like groundnut sellers. Ha! We like suffering ourselves in Nigeria in the name of Do-It-Yourself. And also because we want extreme cheap means. At the end of the day, our body suffers it. And we spend more money treating ourselves.

I can see you are interested in organic farming. And you have some knowledge about it. Good to know.


The kind of Open Pollinated varieties I do are purely for chefs, 5 star hotels, caterers, Piza makers, and most especially for personal consumption. I started with personal consumption. I was just playing with them, I never knew anyone can buy them because these are strange varieties that Nigerians do not know. Look at the pictures below. Can you think of any Nigerian in his right sense who will buy yellow, blue, purple tomatoes? But I realised that there are few Nigerians who have tasted these varieties most especially in Europe (Not many in the US, UK, AND canada, these guys are killed daily with GMO, and they are not helping themselves too. They do have organic in stores, but like 5 times more expensive so they do not even go there to check what's up. Lol). And there are some rich people dying to have these kinds of varieties. Some varieties are grown in Hungary, Ukraine, Georgia, Iceland, Belgium, etc only. Most currants are grown in Peru and Equador. But I cut across all these countries. Bro, if I say I have cultivars, I have in thousands. Not bragging. It is why I have just stopped open field farming in Nigeria. And it is why many of my hybrids seeds are not viable again cos I do not use them again like before. But make no mistake some hybrids are just mad. One single seed can be $2. Take it from me. But what they can achieve are crazy.

If you want to do commercial tomato in Nigeria, the only option you have is doing plum for open market. Plums are tomato paste used for juice and soup. That is what is sold in open market in Nigeria. Sure, you can grow some OPs like Roma. There is a trick for having high yield Roma. But why stress yourself with it when you can buy hybrid Roma kind which are of better quality? If you have tasted San Marzano, you will never want Hybrid Roma again. But these OP kinds have thin skin. Not good for transportation. But traders want thick skin that can stay long in sun. Hope you get it. Even the cucumber you sell to rich people are with thin skin too. In fact, shoprite and Spar take very small sizes so the skin is very tender. The choice of "pako pikin" is different from "Butter pikin". Lol.

For Commercial Your best choice is Hybrid. [/b] If you want to do OP, let it be for personal consumption or if you have premium market for it. My most favorite choice are BHN series for tropical region. And these are the varieties Tomato Jos use (The Caucasian Harvard Lady who has huge tomato farm in Kaduna). I heard Dangote is moving towards BHN too. And then, the brand U am using here is a boom. The Indian Arka series. Quite good. These are products that will rattle off Baterial Wilt, protect against Blights, and TYLCV are minimal. You will never get it wrong. Not saying Technisem, East West, etc are bad. But when you have good product, let us say it. The challenge is that importing them are hard. But with patience one can plan towards it.

How to penetrate into Premium market
Forget about Shoprite Spar and HubMart. Start with these: Green pepper capsicum and Cherry tomato . I prefer Capsicum as you can sell to Abokis in open market and those pushing wheel barrows. Gradually, shift to getting agents for shoprite, spar and HubMart. I know some of them that will pick green pepper at N300 to N500 during peak period, and N700 - N800 at peak period. And the colored ones (yelow and red ) at N400 to N600 at peak, while N700 to N1,100 at off peak. Again, they pick cherry at N1,000 and above per kg. If you get someone like this, it is ok. And then the last step is to step into retailing. Using Facebook/Instagram is a free option which takes time, but rewarding. But I think it should be after your farm has been stabilised, and you have been selling very well to Abokis and premium market agents. And then, you also can start writing proposals to those malls directly to be their agent. You may need to tip guys there to break in. And then, you move towards hotels too. Till date, Eko Hotel still take new suppliers, but it is man knows man. Eventually when you break in, it is like money rituals you have done. And then, those open pollinated that you have been doing for your personal consumption, you can start introducing them to these guys. The main target is to know their chefs. If their chefs tell the procurement officers to get certain products from you, they gat no choice. Then bill them nicely. They will pay. Once you break into one big hotel, you leverage on it to break into others. It is a step at a time you must take.

But if anyone wants to die in open field battling diseases, being getting ripped off by "Abokis", "Ngbantis", and "Igbos" in open market, let such person keeps to it and learn it well. Rewards are still there too. At least, such person will always not have to buy Green House, or hydroponics. But let us see who is more succesful, who is more organised, and who is healthier in 5 to 10 years time.

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