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alBHAGDADI:
Solite3

Welcome to the thread.

thanks God bless you for your good works

shadeyinka:
You were the first to link the prophecy of Daniel with Revelation. So, why shouldn't I ask the question relating to the image since I am aware of how extensive your knowledge is about Eschatology.

My question still stand sir. If Nebuchadnezzar is the head of Gold, link the remaining part to the Beast! (Is it possible to identify the beast without going through the prophecy of Daniel?)

Eyah
On what basis did I reference Daniel ?

Barristter07:
You already clarified the context of the statement I quoted is PHYSICAL DEATH. Good, all you need to do is challenge that Luke 24:5 which address the statement you made.

You said : die and discover you are still alive

Luke 24:5 said You can't find the living among The dead, no such thing



In what sense do they live to him ? Jesus answers In that Matthew 22:31 " Regarding Ressurection of the dead " . by virtue of their future ressurection, God views them as living

You only end up supporting my earlier statement that until a person is ressurected, they are not living.

Can I please refer you to

1Sam 28:7,10-17:
"Then said Saul to his servants, Seek me a woman that has a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that has a familiar spirit at Endor. … And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD lives, there shall no punishment happen to you for this thing. Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up to you? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. And when the woman saw Samuel, [i]she cried with a loud voice: [/i]and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why have you deceived me? for you are Saul. And the king said to her, Be not afraid: for what saw you? And the woman said to Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. And he said to her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man comes up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. And Samuel said to Saul, Why have you disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answers me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I shall do. Then said Samuel, Why then do you ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from you, and is become your enemy? And the LORD has done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD has rent the kingdom out of your hand, and given it to your neighbor, even to David:"


We'll do some bible study here:
1. Why was the Witch of Endorse surprised on seeing Samuel?
2. Who spoke to Saul in verses 15,16 and 17?
3. Who did the bible say spoke to Saul in vs 16?


If God is NOT the God of the Dead but of the Living, it says just two things
1. God ceases to be your God when you die
Of course this doesn't apply the Moses, Abraham, Isaac..
2. The dead are just Physically Dead but Spiritually alive
This is the case of Moses, Abraham, Isaac...

Let me ask you a question:
Is a spirit alive or dead!

shadeyinka:
So you mean that the best God could do was to plant a tree which has an everlasting damning consequence to prove love and apprecation?

Luk 11:13:
"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

Would you put a rattlesnake or cobra in a pot and ask your children to show love and obediene by not putting their hands In the pot?

Could it be that God didnt know that satan will come into Eden to tempt Adam and Eve? Was it an act of forgetfulness that God didn't destroy satan and his angels?


Your answer is not consistent with Gods nature

LOVE made him give a warning , didn't he ?

Wisdom made him give them opportunity to exercise their freewill.

Justice demand that they are punished for going against the Creators will

How exactly is my answer not consistent ?

Coming from someone who can't explain why God said " For now I know " .

shadeyinka:
Can I please refer you to

1Sam 28:7,10-17:
"Then said Saul to his servants, Seek me a woman that has a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that has a familiar spirit at Endor. … And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD lives, there shall no punishment happen to you for this thing. Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up to you? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. And when the woman saw Samuel, [i]she cried with a loud voice: [/i]and the woman spoke to Saul, saying, Why have you deceived me? for you are Saul. And the king said to her, Be not afraid: for what saw you? And the woman said to Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. And he said to her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man comes up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself. And Samuel said to Saul, Why have you disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answers me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I shall do. Then said Samuel, Why then do you ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from you, and is become your enemy? And the LORD has done to him, as he spoke by me: for the LORD has rent the kingdom out of your hand, and given it to your neighbor, even to David:"


We'll do some bible study here:
1. Why was the Witch of Endorse surprised on seeing Samuel?
2. Who spoke to Saul in verses 15,16 and 17?
3. Who did the bible say spoke to Saul in vs 16?


If God is NOT the God of the Dead but of the Living, it says just two things
1. God ceases to be your God when you die
Of course this doesn't apply the Moses, Abraham, Isaac..
2. The dead are just Physically Dead but Spiritually alive
This is the case of Moses, Abraham, Isaac...

" Thus Saul died for the unfaithfulness he had shown against Jehovah because he had not obeyed the word of JehovaJehovah, also for CONSULTING a spirit medium " 1 Chronicle 10:11

Saul contact demons

Let me ask you a question:
[b]Is a spirit alive or dead!

Spirit is Breath of life ! Gen 2:7

Animals also have it. Human spirit is Not a personality!

solite3:
what crap teaching is this?
@first bold Jesus never said those who are bornagain have hope of becoming spirit. That's your organisation crap teaching.
Second bolded, No where does the bible say some will become spirit while others will be humans.

You cant be saved until you are bornagain. It is only when you are bornagain you say you are saved.

What flesh born is Flesh means what ?

You need to dey Farabale

alBHAGDADI:
Haven't you guys seen how early me and my brother explained that being born again is not a thing g for a select few numbered as 144,000, but for everyone who believes in Jesus?

The moment we believe, we become transformed in the spirit and are called sons of God. We are now like our father who is spirit. That's why Jesus said that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit. Jesus has made us heir and we are called sons of God, in other words we are called spirits because our father in heaven is spirit.

Born of water and spirit, that statement will expose your flaws. I will definitely respond to your other post soon , Jahs willing

shadeyinka:
Do, you see how you ignore the obvious interpretation to weave a complex web of theory to justify your theology? Let me ignore this for now and let us focus on the 144,000. You know I asked two questions about them but you haven't responded.

1. You say only the 144,000 has the name of Jehovah written on their foreheads

Rev 21:24-27; 22:3-4:
"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honor into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defiles, neither whatever works abomination, or makes a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. … And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads."

Please are these nation still the 144,000?


2. Where is the new Jerusalem and the Throne of God?

Rev 21:2-5: "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, [/b]and he will [b]dwell with them , and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them , and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said to me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."

ONLY the name of Jesus is WRITTEN on their heads unlike the 144,000 BORN AGAINS who were chosen and anointed with the spirit by the Father HIMSELF.
The 144,000 has both names because God acknowledges them as his spirit anointed sons! Roman 8:15, Galatians 4:6 compared to John 14:36
Only Jesus and the 144,000 had DIRECT dealing with the Father while all obedient mankind MUST deal with the son!
Please calm down, it is not difficult to understand!

Barristter07:
Born of water and spirit, that statement will expose your flaws. I will definitely respond to your other post soon , Jahs willing

When you hear Jesus say born of water and spirit, you think the water he spoke of is water baptism.

I'll wait for you to respond to that post of mine e where I clearly explained what BORN OF WATER is.

I hope I won't wait for another 24 hours.

shadeyinka:
So you mean that the best God could do was to plant a tree which has an everlasting damning consequence to prove love and apprecation?

Luk 11:13:
"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

Would you put a rattlesnake or cobra in a pot and ask your children to show love and obediene by not putting their hands In the pot?

Could it be that God didnt know that satan will come into Eden to tempt Adam and Eve? Was it an act of forgetfulness that God didn't destroy satan and his angels?

Your answer is not consistent with Gods nature

Bro,in other words you're saying that God created poisonous snakes (akin to tree of knowing good/bad) to be with man fully knowing such would be harmful , it's "not consistent with God's nature"

*** But you're missing the point.
** God created Adam and gave him simple commands. Gen 2:16,17
"This is love for God: to OBEY his commands" 1 John 5:3.

** That tree in the middle of the garden is symbol of God's authority over man & Adam's dependence on his Maker.


Adam's obedience to God's commands is a reflection of his love for God & dependence on God (that is God's sovereignty or right to rule over Adam/mankind).

Adam exercised his free will by his choice to disobey his Maker, (that is Adam chosed independence from God or he rejected God's sovereignty).


The choices man makes and the results/ consequences....
That is the heart of the matter.
For instance, knife has it's proper place in the affairs of men (domestic use in the process of cooking), it wasn't meant to be a weapon for criminal activities.
Eccl7:29. Jer2:13. Mark 7:9.



Everything God created was VERY GOOD , including the tree planted in the middle of the garden. Gen1:31

TATIME:
ONLY the name of Jesus is WRITTEN on their heads unlike the 144,000 BORN AGAINS who were chosen and anointed with the spirit by the Father HIMSELF.
The 144,000 has both names because God acknowledges them as his spirit anointed sons! Roman 8:15, Galatians 4:6 compared to John 14:36
Only Jesus and the 144,000 had DIRECT dealing with the Father while all obedient mankind MUST deal with the son!
Please calm down, it is not difficult to understand!

Which Bible verses support this junk teaching?

Watchtower verses I guess.

alBHAGDADI:
Which Bible verses support this junk teaching?

Watchtower verses I guess.

Oh Sorry Sir, i'm not interested in abusive speeches so if you don't want me to present my own understanding of the scriptures i'll back off from your thread!

TATIME:
Oh Sorry Sir, i'm not interested in abusive speeches so if you don't want me to present my own understanding of the scriptures i'll back off from your thread!

Vamoose

Barristter07:
Revelation 21:8 , this means the second death.

It means death , end of existence

First answer: Second Death is correct
Second part is completely wrong: it's an interpolation JW's have put in their doctrine.

Since you believe the bible speaks about two kinds of death:
1. Physical Death
2. Spiritual Death

If a person is Spiritually Dead, does it mean "its existence is ended?

Please correct your definition. Look at my definition and fault it in the light of the Scriptures. I believe I gave a very comprehensive definition of death.

Barristter07:
What is dead, is not living ( Luke 24:5)

Luk 24:5-6:
"And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said to them, Why seek you the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spoke to you when he was yet in Galilee,"

Let me interpret it for you:
Why seek the Living (alive) among the dead (Physically Dead)?
The second verse now emphasises it


The reason why Jesus is alive is that He is Risen (from the dead): hence alive!

Always learn to read the bible in context

Barristter07:
You haven't, who exactly is that personality?

Identity of the beast is important to know what Lake of fire really stands for .

But since you are reluctant to give an identity.

Take a look at Revelation 20;13,14 ... Will death and Grave be burning forever or cease to exist ? Since they are said to be casted into lake of fire

The personality is in the future, so it is impossible to know the exact name of the person for now.

But since you think we are already in the time of tribulation, it is you who can give us the name. But don't hide under " its a Government!" for it isn't. It is a personality who is an instrument of satan

On
Will death and Grave be burning forever or cease to exist ?
Death and Grave will be imprisoned in the Lake of Fire!
Let's see what the Bible says:

Rev 14:10:
"The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:"


Rev 14:11:
"And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and , who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 20:10:
"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

What does it mean to torment?
You may need a dictionary!



As far as you are concerned, fire burns!
And fire burns anything with carbon into carbon dioxide! (Smokes)

But satan and disobedient spirits are not made up of carbon. If they are to burn, would they burn into carbon dioxide?

So, you can see how your logics failed.

I just remembered: you've not answered this question.

What is the figurative meaning of "Lake of Fire"! Noting the two words "lake" and "fire"

alBHAGDADI:
Vamoose

Thanks Sir, God bless you!

TATIME:
Thanks Sir, God bless you!

Hope you can see how "Christ like" alBHAGDADI is...

TATIME:
Thanks Sir, God bless you!

Now you're experiencing the fruitage of the holy ghost in the attitude of a born againST Crishien!
That's how he often abuse, insult, curse and agitate whenever he noticed someone's efficient response is more accurate that what he could easily debunk!

OkCornel:
Hope you can see how "Christ like" alBHAGDADI is...

NO! His born againST brother Pastor solite3 will still hail him for his GOOD WORKS!

Barristter07:
What flesh born is Flesh means what ?

You need to dey Farabale

read again and see if you made sense.
If To be born of the flesh means to be born as a human then, to be born of the spirit means what?

You wrote "it means to have hope to become spirit in future" really?

Jesus was never talking of any future action but present.

He explained it

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

He that is born of the flesh is flesh not will be flesh
Also he that is born of the spirit is spirit not will be spirit in future.
Jesus said the criteria to be in God's kingdom is for you to be bornagain.

OkCornel:
Hope you can see how "Christ like" alBHAGDADI is...

I'm off from here Sir, Jesus MUST not see me doing anything with people like him! Psalms 1:1-3

Maximus69:
NO! His born againST brother Pastor solite3 will still hail him for his GOOD WORKS!

for his good works in exposing your heresy and contradiction.

Maximus69:
OK,
God intended that man live on earth, but man failed to live up to expectation,
The question is 'what was God's next line of action after man disappointed him?'

God's next line of action was to save the fallen man.

solite3:
for his good works in exposing your heresy and contradiction.

Yes for his faith without GOOD WORKS. for his talks talks talks without GOOD FRUIT!
For your information, Pharisees can argue, insult, abuse, curse and agitate very well while assuming they're fighting for God. Mark 9:17, Act: 24:5
But one thing that is missing in them is MANNERS in the public! Matthew 7:15-20 compared to James 2:26,

solite3:
God's next line of action was to save the fallen man.

It was a FRIENDLY discussion between two professed believers and by now the discuss is CLOSED.
You can throw in your question too but try to keep virtuous manners unlike that your so called born againST alBHAGDADI because his attitude can drive away peace loving people with self control just as you've just witnessed!

solite3:
God's next line of action was to save the fallen man.

CASE CLOSED!

Maximus69:
Hmmm, i don't think he knows all that from the beginning! Because he is holy[1Peter 1:16] and that means there is no evil thoughts running in his mind[Matthew 5:28] All he intended was GOOD! Genesis 1:31
Later his earthly creatures {influenced by an unseen intelligent spirit being} started misusing the gift of FREEWILL he gave them [tree of knowledge of good and bad] Noticed that his heart was troubled after all that, surely he couldn't have planned what will later caused him such pains! Genesis 6:6 compared to Psalms 78:41
So i don't think it was a deliberate act!

according to you God didnt know what will happen.

Not according to the bible

Christ was ordained to be redeemer before the foundation of the world. Looks like God knew what was going to happen

1 Peter 1:20
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

God does not take a kneel jerk action but preplaned and thoughtful action.


Isaiah 41:26
Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.

Isaiah 42:9
Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Isaiah 48:5
I have even from the beginning declared it to thee; before it came to pass I shewed it thee: lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.

OkCornel:
Everyone, come and see how a shameless liar called alBHAGDADI who claims to be a Christian is accusing me of being a Satanist. Same person who is fond of telling lies...

Just as how he cannot use the scriptures to support certain lies on tithes and first fruits he's been propagating up and down...

Imagine alBHAGDADI saying the tree of knowledge of good and evil is Adam and Eve's tithe! with no scriptures to back it up. This same liar is accusing me of being a satanist... what a pity




https://www.nairaland.com/5145507/those-people-bible-before-coming/10

Dude... pick a struggle. Am I a satanist? or am I supporting JW?

The truth really hurts...afterall, even Jesus was accused of obtaining powers from Belzeebub to cast out demons...

Tell a hardened liar like alBHAGDADI the naked truth...and automatically...you're a satanist. alBHAGDADI is not different from the religious leaders who also accused Jesus as well...

His moniker alone gives him away as a lying Pharisee....

A so called christian wey dey call & pick the name of a serial killer and confirmed terrorist as him moniker..... make you reason am well jare


He is also a tithe pastorpreneur.

It's so funny seeing the association of heretics and Satanist saying I'm unchrist-like simply because I call them by their name

If these liars were around during the time of Jesus, they will say he was not Christ-like for flogging traders in the temple and for always saying "woe to the Pharisees".

They complain that I'm using harsh words on them for being heretics who preach a different gospel. They forgot that Paul used a harsh word when he cursed heretics as seen below. To them, Paul is not Christ-like.

Galataians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Shadeyinka, can you see how that Satanist has joined ranks with the heretics?

solite3:
for his good works in exposing your heresy and contradiction.

Don't mind those heretics. They can't stand me calling them for who they are. Instead they try to make it seem like I'm using harsh words on them. They forget that Paul said their kind should be accursed.

Galataians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

alBHAGDADI:
Don't mind those heretics. They can't stand me calling them for who they are. Instead they try to make it seem like I'm using harsh words on them. They forget that Paul said their kind should be accursed.

Galataians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

I just pray God open their eyes to the scam called jehovah witness organisation.

Maximus69:
Yes for his faith without GOOD WORKS. for his talks talks talks without GOOD FRUIT!
For your information, Pharisees can argue, insult, abuse, curse and agitate very well while assuming they're fighting for God. Mark 9:17, Act: 24:5
But one thing that is missing in them is MANNERS in the public! Matthew 7:15-20 compared to James 2:26,

What's the abuse or curse I've said since this debate? I dare you to point one out.

When I make a statement like "your post is junk", such is not an abuse but fact especially when I back them up with undisputable Bible verses.

When I call you a liar, such is not an abuse but fact especially when I back them up with undisputable Bible verses.

So far, none of you have been able to dispute all I've said especially concerning being born again. Instead, you all have been trying to discredit me by saying I'm being insultive. Once I bust your heretic lies, the next move is to call you a heretic liar. Paul called your kind Antichrist and liars for denying the Father and the Son. I guess Paul also lacks the fruit of the spirit too, according to you.

Well, it's only Satan that doesn't like to be reproved and rebuked. I have exercised my God-given power as shown in the Bible verse below. I will always rebuke and reprove your kind for your errors.

2 Timothy 4:2 (KJV)
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

solite3:
I just pray God open their eyes to the scam called jehovah witness organisation.

Do you notice how they've not been able to dispute concerning salvation?

They've been saying away from it.