TATIME:

Are you saying the same Holy Spirit from God will tell some worshipers "enter God's presence with your footwear" and withing the same community tell worshipers of the SAME God "you must NOT enter God's presence with your footwear"
Please how are you going to explain to a worshiper of Ogun that the god you worship is superior, since your god and their gods gives different orders to their worshipers
All the worshipers of deities in Yoruba lands agreed that Olodumare[Alimighty] is the one all of them are worshiping, but too pure to approach so they beg other smaller gods[whose likes and dislikes differs] to act as mediators between them and the Almighty. That is why their rules differs.
So is it the case the same with the spirit of the God you worship

TATIME:

Are you saying the same Holy Spirit from God will tell some worshipers "enter God's presence with your footwear" and withing the same community tell worshipers of the SAME God "you must NOT enter God's presence with your footwear"
Please how are you going to explain to a worshiper of Ogun that the god you worship is superior, since your god and their gods gives different orders to their worshipers
All the worshipers of deities in Yoruba lands agreed that Olodumare[Alimighty] is the one all of them are worshiping, but too pure to approach so they beg other smaller gods[whose likes and dislikes differs] to act as mediators between them and the Almighty. That is why their rules differs.
So is it the case the same with the spirit of the God you worship

shadeyinka:

Before I answer this your question, would you please let me know your opinion as per shoes and worship!

I will like you to answer this question truthfully with a YES or NO!
1. Will Jehovah God reject your worship if you are in your shoes/sandals?
2. Will Jehovah God reject your worship if you are NOT in your shoes/sandals?

TATIME:
Well i was a Muslim and i believed all Muslims worships Allah unlike the so called Christians with various conflicting theories.
I studied the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses after their persistent knocking on my door and today i am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I'm saying all these first so as to erase all thoughts of seemingly supporting the JW here!
So according to the Bible, God spoke to Israelites[HIS only approved worshipers in ancient times] by means of prophets,using dreams,visions and so on. But in our time HE speaks through one person Jesus! Hebrew 1:1
Therefore i don't think that same God will speak different things as serious as standards to HIS modern day worshipers! Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2

shadeyinka:

I am happy you are asking good questions.

1. Who decides who gets Born again?
God alone has the exclusive right to make a person born again.

John 3:16-17:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."

No one gets born again by a "personal decision" but by depending on the INTEGRITY OF GOD.

God says in His Words:

Luk 11:9-10,13:
"And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. … If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

To have the Holy Spirit as your SEAL, you need to ask by FAITH (Trusting in God's integrity).

Jesus explained it (Born Again) by comparing it to the Serpent in the wilderness.

Num 21:7: "Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people."

Num 21:8: "And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live."

Num 21:9: "And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived."


If Anyone who is bitten by the serpent believes in the integrity of God and his solution AND acts by Faith by Looking at the bronze Serpent, such would not die (he has a new life)



Explain John 3:8 as it relate to the subject above

John 3:8: "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."

There is no physical attribute to a person born again. It isn't a physical event but a spiritual operation done by God. This was in response to Nicodemus
John 3:4:
"Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb , and be born?"

Nicodemus was thinking in terms of a physical/outward "born again".


He who is Born Again is sealed by the Spirit of God

2Cor 1:22: "Who hath also sealed us, [/b]and given the earnest of the [b]Spirit in our hearts."

Eph 1:13: "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,"

Eph 4:30: And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."



Hope I answered your questions

shadeyinka:

No Sir. It doesn't.
Foreknowledge = knowing things before they happened!
Predestination = fixing a destiny before a persons existence!



Gods foreknowledge is knowing the end from the beginning. It means God isn't subject to TIME hence, God can see whatever he wants to see.


Foreknowledge doesn't negate free will. It just simply means that whatever freewill you will decide has been seen by God (like God goes into the future to see what your decision was from the past)

Rom 8:29-30:
"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."

This scripture speaking of our salvation is saying
1. God foreknew us humans
2. Those who God foreknew would be His own God Predestined to be like Jesus
3. These same people God foreknew and predestinated God also called
4. These same people who God foreknew, predestinated and called are also justified and glorified.

Summary:
God had perfected them who would be saved from the foundation of the world (before they were even created)


I hope I've answered your questions

shadeyinka:


There are two major beasts spoken about in Revelation.
1. The beast with seven Heads
"Rev 13:1: "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

2. The beast with Two Heads
Rev 13:11: "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

Satan himself is the Dragon who gave powers to the beasts

Rev 13:4:
"And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast : and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"


The two beasts aren't literal. They are figurative expression of Satan ruling over the Governments of this world through his instruments .

The most solemn warning in the Bible is given to people who worship the beast.

“If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath.” Revelation 14:9,10


It seems that the second beast with two heads is also referred to as the False Prophet

Rev 16:13: "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet."

Rev 19:20: "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Rev 20:10: "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever"

shadeyinka5:

And most of them inspite of the differing doctrines will enter paradise. But you will discover you've been 419'd when you die!
Just imagine after death to discover that you are still alive. Maybe then you will remember how you have been misled!

shadeyinka:

Thank you for making me paste up the proper definition of a denominationalist.

A denominationalist is sectarianist!
de·nom·i·na·tion·al·ism (dĭ-nŏm′ə-nā′shə-nə-lĭz′əm)
n.
1. The tendency to separate into religious denominations.
2. Advocacy of separation into religious denominations.
3. Strict adherence to a denomination; sectarianism.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/denominationalist

It doesn't mean one who doesn't go to any church.

If I happen to move to another city, the most convenient denomination who preach Christ alone is my family and that is where I will worship!

I am not BOUND to any denomination!



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I am ECWA!

C&S churches do not allow putting on of shoes or sandals inside their church. In my church, we put on shoes.
This doesn't make either of us inferior or superior to the other as far as Christ is concerned

shadeyinka:

I wish you have answered the two extremely simple questions.
You were a Muslim who converted to Jehovah's Witness!
But you raised up the issue of shoes and worship as a conflict...
I will joyfully address your question but answer this so that I know we are referencing/understanding the issue from valid and the same perspective.
The question again!

[quotte author=shadeyinka post=78547827]
Before I answer this your question, would you please let me know your opinion as per shoes and worship!

I will like you to answer this question truthfully with a YES or NO!
1. Will Jehovah God reject your worship if you are in your shoes/sandals?
2. Will Jehovah God reject your worship if you are NOT in your shoes/sandals? [/quotte]

shadeyinka:

I wish you have answered the two extremely simple questions.
You were a Muslim who converted to Jehovah's Witness!
But you raised up the issue of shoes and worship as a conflict...
I will joyfully address your question but answer this so that I know we are referencing/understanding the issue from valid and the same perspective.
The question again!

[quotte author=shadeyinka post=78547827]
Before I answer this your question, would you please let me know your opinion as per shoes and worship!

I will like you to answer this question truthfully with a YES or NO!
1. Will Jehovah God reject your worship if you are in your shoes/sandals?
2. Will Jehovah God reject your worship if you are NOT in your shoes/sandals? [/quotte]

TATIME:
This questions of yours will lead to arguments Sir and i don't want arguing facelessly on social media!
Now i only believe the worship practiced by true Christians in their gatherings. There is no record in the Christian Greek Scripture[New Testament] requiring that believers should remove their shoes/sandals before congregating together or during their gathering as Christians. So to question number
(1) my answer is YES!
(2) my answer is NO!
Since Christians never requires this in the first century, whoever practices such today is definitely following their footsteps as WRITTEN in the book of ACTS of Apostles. I believe whatever standard we're going to set today should be in line with what the FIRST Christians laid down!
Please will you also answer my question?

Barristter07:


You definitely tried , But I smell some contradictions , You admitted only God can perform the operation to make a person born again, but you went ahead to state the red which is in itself a personal decision, someone desiring to Depend on the integrity of God in other to be born again. You therefore nullify your earlier claim as this means the individual kick start the process !

Barristter07:

Lastly, does Having Holy spirit means one is born again ? Didn't Moses have holy spirit, Didn't David , Didn't John the baptist ? Are they born again ?

Barristter07:


You definitely tried , But I smell some contradictions , You admitted only God can perform the operation to make a person born again, but you went ahead to state the red which is in itself a personal decision, someone desiring to Depend on the integrity of God in other to be born again. You therefore nullify your earlier claim as this means the individual kick start the process !

This stand on God doing it would also affect and nullify the Church idea of kneel down and pray so that you can become a born again ., agree ?


Lastly, does Having Holy spirit means one is born again ? Didn't Moses have holy spirit, Didn't David , Didn't John the baptist ? Are they born again ?

Maximus69:
Now Jehovah's Witnesses are here to reason along with you without name calling, abusing, insulting or cursing you Sir. I promised you none of them will intervene until the floor is opened.
How i wish you could use God's word to defend your nonedenominationalism with efficacy before the REAL Christians!
And where is Mr Baptist Church?

TATIME:
This questions of yours will lead to arguments Sir and i don't want arguing facelessly on social media!
Now i only believe the worship practiced by true Christians in their gatherings. There is no record in the Christian Greek Scripture[New Testament] requiring that believers should remove their shoes/sandals before congregating together or during their gathering as Christians. So to question number
(1) my answer is YES!
(2) my answer is NO!
Since Christians never requires this in the first century, whoever practices such today is definitely following their footsteps as WRITTEN in the book of ACTS of Apostles. I believe whatever standard we're going to set today should be in line with what the FIRST Christians laid down!
Please will you also answer my question?

alBHAGDADI:


The Apostles never gave any commandment concerning wearing of shoes when worshiping God or congregating. If any man decides not to wear shoes when worshipping God today, that won't hinder his worship because there is no command that says one must wear shoes before worshiping.

If they go about trying to force everyone to off their shoes when. worshiping, then it means they are teaching g for commandments the doctrine of men.

You mocking anyone for not wearing shoes when worshiping is the same as teaching for commandments the doctrine of men.

Mathew 15:19
But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

alBHAGDADI:

You are actually the one doing g what you accuse others of doing to the JW.
Your actions just gave permission for JW to be dragged in the mud where they belong

Barristter07:


The highlighted raise a vital question which will serve to test if your hypothesis is correct!!!

: Does God foreknow the freewill Abraham will exercise in this case below ?

" Then he said, "Do not lay a hand on the boy or do anything to him. For now I know that you fear God, since you have not withheld your only son from me." - Genesis 22:12

If he does knew what Abraham will do, Why say " For NOW I KNOW " ?

shadeyinka:

I wish I can explain why the Scripture put it in form of "for now I know that...".

Freewill isn't freewill if it is shielded from temptation!
Did God know that Job will pass the test of satan?

I am afraid, if God isn't Omniscient, then how can He be Almighty?

Is God not the Alpha and the Omega?
It means He is the Beginning and the End. God sees the Beginning as He sees the End. God is Not going to become the End, He is the End.

However, whenever a Scripture is to be understood, we have to look at the harmony of the total Scriptures eg.

Isa 42:9:
"Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them."

Isa 44:6-8:
"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them show unto them. Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."

God says He alone know and declare the future (things that are coming)

Isa 46:9-10:
"Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

This means God know the end from the beginning!

1Pet 1:1-2:
"Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied."

This Scripture is saying the elect have been foreknown!


So, the conclusion:
You choose to believe that your God isn't Omniscient
I choose to believe that my God is Omniscient.

TATIME:
But can you enter into the worship place of Cele/C&S without first removing your shoes?
The white man says "when you're in Rome, you act like a Roman"
Of course an Apostle was carried away in the presence of his Jewish Christian brothers due to their TRADITION and many of our Jewish Christian brothers followed him. Galatians 2:11-14
Instantly Apostle Paul CORRECTED him in the presence of everyone that in Christianity their shouldn't be any difference in whatever we all believe as norms! Ephesians 4:3, Philippians 2:2
Please if a religion teaches that you must remove your foot wear before entering their place of worship, that is not OPTIONAL as you presume but a COMPULSION!
I can enter the Kingdom hall barefooted, of course if i'm not having sours on my legs my Christian brothers will pity my condition assuming i can't afford a shoe, then i must explain why i'm without shoes!
But NOBODY dare wear a footwear into the place of worship belonging to Cele/C&S because there is no excuse you can give YOU MUST REMOVE YOUR FOOTWEAR!
Please Sir i'll like you to expatiate on this for the benefit of all followers of this thread, we must think alike if we're truly Christians! 1Corinthians 1:10
I could recollect last year when there was a heated argument on Christmas and you were in support of the festival but Mr Olaadegbu couldn't say a word because his Daddy GO abhors Christmas as a pagan celebration, now Mr shadeyinka said "i don't have a daddy GO" yet he sees nothing wrong when such daddy GOs make rules dividing the congregation of God just as Olaadegbu and yourself couldn't agree on Christmas due to the TEACHING of his daddy GO which you believe is meaningless!

Maximus69:
Oh! They belong to the mud!
Well why not drag them in the mud after all no be mouth you go take drag them, na your actions and expression. Jesus spoke with proofs and people listening can sense that though what he was saying is not common ideology amongst them but it is the TRUTH! Matthew 7:28,29
So keep dragging them in the mud, perhaps you assume what you're saying is right as many think like you but know today that the true word of God is SCARCE [Amos 8:11] that is why majority of you keep assuming you're right when you say things that is common but not working out what is fine amongst you! Isaiah 65:13 Matthew 7:15-20 Galatians 5:19-21
That is the more reason why all of you are murmuring, agitating and wailing saying to one another 'how did they they come about that group name [Jehovah's Witnesses], so that they're the only group standing out as unique?" Isaiah 65:15

Barristter07:
Its true someone else ask this question but am interested.

The beasts are FIGURATIVE but the fire into which they are thrown is LITERAL , Right ? Don't you see the obvious already

If they represent Government of this world, and Daniel 2:44 speak about [coming to an end] of this Governments, does that not support that the fire into which they are thrown also represent the entire end of world Government rather than Government , coat of arm, national flags, structures been burned in a literal fire ?

Its actually important to understand this because Satan will end up just like this world governments , Revelation 20:10 says ' Where they [World government ] are ' are they been burned or pushed out of existence as rulers ?

Addressed in my earlier question.

Maximus69:
He afraid of hurting those who revere him as Pastor. Fakeye, Bakare, Joshua, Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyakilome, Oritsejafor and Olukoya will say 'we're all Christians except Jehovah's Witnesses' but listen to there followers and see how hypocritical these leaders are. Publicly they will declare only Jehovah's Witnesses as antiChrist for just two reasons
(1) That is the only group disregarding their self imposed religious titles.
(2) That is the only group not practicing hypocritical interfaith along with them.
If you want to know what is in the minds of these crooked leaders,a heart to heart discussion with diehard members of their church will show how they're backbiting one another! That is when you will see Olaadegbu[deeperlife member] tell you bluntly that Cele or C/S is no church!
So shadeyinka is trying not to offend anyone publicly perhaps he too could become a famous Pastor one of this days, in other to have lovers from all religions like Adeboye!

TATIME:
This questions of yours will lead to arguments Sir and i don't want arguing facelessly on social media!
Now i only believe the worship practiced by true Christians in their gatherings. There is no record in the Christian Greek Scripture[New Testament] requiring that believers should remove their shoes/sandals before congregating together or during their gathering as Christians. So to question number
(1) my answer is YES!
(2) my answer is NO!
Since Christians never requires this in the first century, whoever practices such today is definitely following their footsteps as WRITTEN in the book of ACTS of Apostles. I believe whatever standard we're going to set today should be in line with what the FIRST Christians laid down!
Please will you also answer my question?

I wish you just answer a simple question and truthfully with a YES or NO!
1. Will Jehovah God reject your worship if you are in your shoes/sandals?
2. Will Jehovah God reject your worship if you are NOT in your shoes/sandals?

Barristter07:


A perfect oxymoron!

Until a person is ressurected, they are never Alive.

" Why are you looking for the living one AMONG the dead " an angel ask @ Luke 24:5.
Exposing your hypothesis.


You can't be dead and alive.

shadeyinka:

How many kinds of Death exist in the Scripture?

Can we treat every kind of death we see in the scripture as Physical?

alBHAGDADI:


You are not playing by the rules, dude.

Stop quoting links to scriptures. Quote the scriptures or else you can think can't have a debate.

alBHAGDADI:


Let me answer your question in bold

Having the Holy Spirit means one is born again. There's no doubt about that in any way, form or shape.

To the second question on whether Moses, David, John etc who had the Holy Spirit were born again, it's simple. First of all, I'll take you on a journey of how one becomes Born Again, then you will see that those names you mentioned who existed before Jesus Christ came to earth were born again.

[s]
How do you become born again? It is by believe aka Faith in Jesus.

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [/s]

As seen above, once we believe in Jesus, we have everlasting life. That's not the only thing that happens to us for believing in Jesus. The Bible says we also become sons of God for believing in Jesus.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Now that it has been established that we are children of God through our believe in Jesus Christ, you might want to t to ask how did God give birth to us. Was it physical or spiritual?

Jesus Christ has the answer:

John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Our flesh is as a result of our earthly parents. But Spirit has been bought by God and transformed onto everlasting life. He gave is a new birth and it's a spiritual one. This makes us his children...

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ;

We believed in Jesus and God gave is the Holy Spirit.

2Cor 1:22: "Who hath also sealed us, [/b]and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts."

[b]Eph 1:13: "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,"

As seen above, everyone who believes in Jesus are sealed with the Holy Spirit. It is not some 144,000 people alone, but everyone who believes in Jesus.

So clearly, your first question has been answered, which is believe in Jesus leads to being born again and the individual immediately given the Holy y which seals him until the day God will come and redeem him.

Eph 4:30: And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."



Now, to your second question concerning Abraham, Moses, David and John the Baptist. I will tell you that they were also born again as you and I agree that they had the Holy Spirit in them.

Remember, I just established that believe is what leads to an individual receiving the Holy Spirit. Did Abraham believe God? Yes, he did.


Romans 4:3-5 (KJV)
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Did Moses believe God? Yes, he did, that's why he preached about Jesus and even symbolized him. Jesus even attested to that.

John 5:46
For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Did David believe in Jesus? Of course he did. Below is him speaking about Jesus.

Psalm 110:1 (KJV)
The L ORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Did John the Baptist believe in Jesus? Yes, he did right from his mother's womb. Remember how he leaped for joy in his mother's womb when Mary who was pregnant with Jesus came to visit his mother who was pregnant with him. He believed in Jesus and went about preaching it and baptizing people in preparation of his coming.

Jesus was whom all the prophets preached about.


Acts 10:43
To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

So early, everyone who had the Holy Spirit in the Bible did believe in Jesus Christ and preached about him. Those before the coming of Jesus Looked forward to his cross, while we after look back at his Cross.