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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 10:12pm On Jun 03, 2019
true2god:

I still maintain my points, based on what Aisha (not you because Mohammed did not know you):

Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet),
"I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."
(Sahih Bukhari 6:60:311).

The key words I want you to pick are: YOUR WISHES AND DESIRES.
And?. you dont have wishes and desires?. Your point exactly?.




Now back to the argument and based on Aisha's testimony, most ayah of the Quran are wishes and desires of Mohammed. If that's the case, it was Muhammad's wishes and desires for his scribes to write down the Quran in Arabic, unless you can prove to me that there was another major languages people spoke in the Arabian peninsula, at the time of Mohammed, aside Arabic. You don't need any God to tell you that Mohammed's Quran will be written in Arabic; it is just a commonsense for any rational mind to grasp.

And when you bought up ayah where Mohammed was asked to 'say' and 'say", it does still change the fact that virtually all what we have in the Quran are Mohammed's wishes and desires. I didn't say so, Madam Aisha bint Abu Bakr did after much observation on the pattern of Mohammed's alleged revelations.
smh..do you understand anything at all? whats wishes and desires of companions to write down what prophet dictated for them?
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 10:26pm On Jun 03, 2019
Empiree:
see why we are not on the same page?. See why you keep going in cycle?. I told you that you quoted English and then concluded we have two versions of Quran. Scroll up to the Qur'an you cited. For ref, let me quote you

I told you that translators used choice of words but you still repeated it. I'm so bored right now. I told you to screenshot Arabic text but you brought English up again. This is why I'm reluctant to read your post. You are repeating yourself everytime
It is obvious that like true2god noted you lack critical thinking skills.

That is why rather than address issues all you do is beat around the bush.

If you are "reluctant to read" my posts then let others do so. You don't even have to respond to this post. Just let it be.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 10:31pm On Jun 03, 2019
Mathematical Miracles of Islam


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cacUh91n8cA

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 10:33pm On Jun 03, 2019
true2god:
It is very ridiculous for you to say you never looked at the screenshots. This is to say that your response so far had been based on blind argument, without looking at the evidences presented to you whether they are true of false. I think you need to apologize if you are not an arrogant man.

The different diacritical marks you talked about, does it have effect on the meanings of the ayah where there are different marks in the Hafs and Warsh Quran? Look at surah alfathiha (1:4), Hafs used 'owner' while Warsh used 'king', do they mean the same?

Look at surah albaqra ayah 10 (ayah 9 in Warsh), do they have the same meaning?
Apologise? that will be next world. When you two kept posting things without proper focus, i had no time to read details until your last screenshot that caught my attention but i did know you have been talking about Hafs and Warsh all along. So now, it is obvious with this reply of yours that you really have no knowledge of Hafs and Warsh afterall. You most likely just got the idea from those evangelist guys. I have provided you with examples of Hafs/warsh now. If you understand simple arabic you wont find it difficult to understand
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 10:51pm On Jun 03, 2019
Empiree:
Apologise? that will be next world. When you two kept posting things without proper focus, i had no time to read details until your last screenshot that caught my attention but i did know you have been talking about Hafs and Warsh all along. So now, it is obvious with this reply of yours that you really have no knowledge of Hafs and Warsh afterall. You most likely just got the idea from those evangelist guys. I have provided you with examples of Hafs/warsh now. If you understand simple arabic you wont find it difficult to understand
You are laughable.

If your child comes to you and tells you that he answered some questions in a test but "had no time to read details" of the questions or "I did not know what was talked about" how would you respond that child of yours.

You have behaved as comical as that. You say others "don't know this, don't know that, don't understand this, don't understand that" yet you were just responding all the while when you "had no time to read details". I wonder what your fans will think of you now. You even lie blatantly and feel fine about it. You claim to "provide" evidence when you didn't even have "time to read" in the first place? Is there no little measure of truth and integrity in Islam?

I think the brainwashing you have done to yourself and your involvement in Islamic spiritism has done much harm to your head than you can imagine. Maybe your fantasy about 72 virgins has turned your brain on its head.
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 11:10pm On Jun 03, 2019
^^

see what i an talking about?/ And you expect me to take you guys serious? Whats 72 virgins gotta do with this?. Goes to show you that you only rely on hearsays CP. 72 virgins ko, 100 deflowers ni

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 12:10am On Jun 04, 2019
Empiree:
^^

see what i an talking about?/ And you expect me to take you guys serious? Whats 72 virgins gotta do with this?. Goes to show you that you only rely on hearsays CP. 72 virgins ko, 100 deflowers ni
Can you see what caught your attention in all that I wrote?
Virgins! Only that! grin grin grin

I am 100% certain that you're pained that you've not been able find anything to refute Christian Prince.

Sorry ehn! Pęlę!

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 12:33am On Jun 04, 2019
sagenaija:

Can you see what caught your attention in all that I wrote?
Virgins! Only that! grin grin grin

I am 100% certain that you're pained that you've not been able find anything to refute Christian Prince.

Sorry ehn! Pęlę!
you think I watched any of those video?. I didn't for your information. Why?. Because he's just exactly like David Wood, Michael Licona, Tommy Robbison etc
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 5:59am On Jun 04, 2019
Empiree:
you think I watched any of those video?. I didn't for your information. Why?. Because he's just exactly like David Wood, Michael Licona, Tommy Robbison etc
It's your fear about being faced with the truth of Islam.
Your fear that your bag of excuses has been thrown open for all to see.
Your fear of being faced with the contradictions in your religion.
Your fear of confronting Allah's apparent lack of historical knowledge, scientific knowledge and basic human psychology.
Your fear of the insufficiency of the Koran and therefore resort to the hadiths.
Your fear that, at the end of the day, Koran is not a plainly revealed book so Moslems live their lives on their perceived understanding of Islam because the book makes nothing clear.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 8:40am On Jun 04, 2019
sagenaija:

Can you see what caught your attention in all that I wrote?
Virgins! Only that! grin grin grin

I am 100% certain that you're pained that you've not been able find anything to refute Christian Prince.

Sorry ehn! Pęlę!
'72 virgkns' caught his attention immediately but he didn't see, or bother to look at, screenshots. That's to tell where his interest lies the most. Maybe I will have to include '72 virgins' in any screenshot I do so that he will pay more attention to it.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 8:52am On Jun 04, 2019
Empiree:
And?. you dont have wishes and desires?. Your point exactly?.




smh..do you understand anything at all? whats wishes and desires of companions to write down what prophet dictated for them?
Do you understand simple grammar at all? I said, based on Madam Aisha's testimony, that the Qur'an is purely the wishes and desires of Mohammed. Whatever was on Mohammed's mind, that was the revelation he received. It is a simple sentence that even a kindergarten pupil will understand and it baffles me that you are struggling with this reality. Do you think it will shake your faith? No wonder you have to build a 'firewall' around your thought to ensure that no any evidence penetrates.

Don't put words into my mouth, I know you are smart. I never said the Quran is the wishes and desires of his companions (who wrote down the Quran) but the wishes and desires of Mohammed himself. It is Mohammed's personal wishes and desires that made up the Quran while Allah is just a means to an end.

Asalama lekum!

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 9:46am On Jun 04, 2019
Empiree:
you think I watched any of those video?. I didn't for your information. Why?. Because he's just exactly like David Wood, Michael Licona, Tommy Robbison etc
Christian Prince was born and raised in Egypt; an Arab by birth. He speaks Arabic as his first language and he had read the Quran from chapter 1 to chapter 116. He speaks, writes and understood Arabic better than you. He has a scholarship in Islamic theology hence makes him an authority in Islam. What's your qualification in Islamic theology? What scholarship do you have in Arabic language?

Muslims always make a demand that 'show me the Arabic Quran' and 'Islam can only be understood in its original Arabic'. Well, Christian prince obviously meet your stiff criteria, why didn't you bother watch the video? Will it shake your faith? Of course that's the greatest fear of any Muslim hence Allah, in the Quran, asked you guys never to ask questions so that you won't lose your faith. Why did Allah ask Muslims never to question their beliefs if he (Allah) is so sure of himself? That's to tell you that Allah has a very weak argument to defend Islam hence his admonition in Quran 5:101:

O you who believe! (Do) not ask about things if made clear to you, it may distress you and if you ask about it when the Quran is being revealed it would be made clear to you. Allah has pardoned [about] it, and Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, All-Forbearing..

The Quran is very clear here, if Muslims are too inquisitive (on Islamic-related matters) it may cause them distress and eventually make them lose their faith in Islam. I fully understand your fear. Your guys, 'Tintinz' and 'usermane' have opened their mind, questioned Islam and have decided to leave for good. These are same people that I have debated, here on Nairaland, for more than 5 years.

Asalama lekum!
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 10:07am On Jun 04, 2019
true2god:
Christian Prince was born and raised in Egypt; an Arab by birth. He speaks Arabic as his first language and he had read the Quran from chapter 1 to chapter 116. He speaks, writes and understood Arabic better than you. He has a scholarship in Islamic theology hence makes him an authority in Islam. What's your qualification in Islamic theology? What scholarship do you have in Arabic language?

Muslims always make a demand that 'show me the Arabic Quran' and 'Islam can only be understood in its original Arabic'. Well, Christian prince obviously meet your stiff criteria, why didn't you bother watch the video? Will it shake your faith? Of course that's the greatest fear of any Muslim hence Allah, in the Quran, asked you guys never to ask questions so that you won't lose your faith. Why did Allah ask Muslims never to question their beliefs if he (Allah) is so sure of himself? That's to tell you that Allah has a very weak argument to defend Islam hence his admonition in Quran 5:101:

O you who believe! (Do) not ask about things if made clear to you, it may distress you and if you ask about it when the Quran is being revealed it would be made clear to you. Allah has pardoned [about] it, and Allah (is) Oft-Forgiving, All-Forbearing..

The Quran is very clear here, if Muslims are too inquisitive (on Islamic-related matters) it may cause them distress and eventually make them lose their faith in Islam. I fully understand your fear. Your guys, 'Tintinz' and 'usermane' have opened their mind, questioned Islam and have decided to leave for good. These are same people that I have debated, here on Nairaland, for more than 5 years.

Asalama lekum!
that he speaks Arabic, that he's Arab by birth, that arabic is his first language, and that he has read Quran are NOT PROOFS. Hear what Qur'an says


“And We send down of the Qur’aan that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe (in Islamic Monotheism and act on it), and it increases the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) nothing but loss”.


[al-Isra’ 17:82]
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 10:12am On Jun 04, 2019
true2god:
Do you understand simple grammar at all? I said, based on Madam Aisha's testimony, that the Qur'an is purely the wishes and desires of Mohammed. Whatever was on Mohammed's mind, that was the revelation he received. It is a simple sentence that even a kindergarten pupil will understand and it baffles me that you are struggling with this reality. Do you think it will shake your faith? No wonder you have to build a 'firewall' around your thought to ensure that no any evidence penetrates.

Don't put words into my mouth, I know you are smart. I never said the Quran is the wishes and desires of his companions (who wrote down the Quran) but the wishes and desires of Mohammed himself. It is Mohammed's personal wishes and desires that made up the Quran while Allah is just a means to an end.

Asalama lekum!
if it is "purely wishes and desires of muhammad, why then muhammad cautioned himself in the Qur'an that he wishes and desires?.

Example Q 66:1


O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


Did he forget to removed that from Qur'an?



How about this Q73:1


O you who have wrapped up in your garments!



It was his wishes too?. Be sensible, man.
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 10:13am On Jun 04, 2019
sagenaija:

It's your fear about being faced with the truth of Islam.
Your fear that your bag of excuses has been thrown open for all to see.
Your fear of being faced with the contradictions in your religion.
Your fear of confronting Allah's apparent lack of historical knowledge, scientific knowledge and basic human psychology.
Your fear of the insufficiency of the Koran and therefore resort to the hadiths.
Your fear that, at the end of the day, Koran is not a plainly revealed book so Moslems live their lives on their perceived understanding of Islam because the book makes nothing clear.
at no point did you make valid sense in this thread. You boring
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 10:34am On Jun 04, 2019
Empiree:
that he speaks Arabic, that he's Arab by birth, that arabic is his first language, and that he has read Quran are NOT PROOFS. Hear what Qur'an says


“And We send down of the Qur’aan that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe (in Islamic Monotheism and act on it), and it increases the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) nothing but loss”.


[al-Isra’ 17:82]

You guys created the standard that 'you have to read the Quran in pure Arabic to understand the quran', 'you have to attend Islamic university to speak about Islam', 'you have to learn the Arabian culture for you to know the "sweetness" of Islam', and some other ridiculous conditions, and this dude (Christian Prince) has met all the criteria and even surpassed it. What other criteria do you want? We must start growing beards, wearing trousers not below our ankles? Abegi stop being ridiculous and address the issues relating to the contradictions in your Quran.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 11:16am On Jun 04, 2019
Empiree:
if it is "purely wishes and desires of muhammad, why then muhammad cautioned himself in the Qur'an that he wishes and desires?.

Example Q 66:1


O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.


Did he forget to removed that from Qur'an?



How about this Q73:1


O you who have wrapped up in your garments!



It was his wishes too?. Be sensible, man.
Do you bother to read the tafsir of the ayah (Quran 66:1) you posted above? Do you understand the scenario that led to that ayah? It still boils down on the wishes and desires of Mohammed.

According to the Maliki school of thought, which I go with in this scenario, Mohammed had a slave girl called :Mary the copt', probably an Egyptian slave girl. Mohammed used to secretly sleep with this girl and when his wives got to find out about this scandal, the confronted the greatest man (the apostle of Allah). Mohammed promised never to sleep with her again. After sometime, and predictably, Allah came with this revelation:

Quran 66:1,
O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

The above incident is well documented in your Islamic source documents, the tafsir and the authentic hadith narration.

Here's Tafsir Jalalayn commenting on this verse:

O Prophet! Why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, in terms of your Coptic handmaiden Māriya — when he lay with her in the house of Hafsa, who had been away, but who upon returning [and finding out] became upset by the fact that this had taken place in her own house and on her own bed — by saying, ‘She is unlawful for me!’, seeking, by making her unlawful [for you], to please your wives? And God is Forgiving, Merciful, having forgiven you this prohibition.

Sunan An-Nasa'i 3411 —It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed: "O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you" [66:1]

As you can see, Allah's apostle was still lusting after Mary the Copts, perhaps the sexx style the slave girl used to give him. To settle the matter 'once and for all', Allah gave Mohammed another of his wishes and desires in Quran 66:1.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 1:42pm On Jun 04, 2019
Empiree:
at no point did you make valid sense in this thread. You boring
Maybe this will make you overcome your boredom :
Mohamed your hero and role model was uncertain of his salvation - Q.46:9

You cannot be more certain than Mohamed. In other words, you are not certain of your salvation.

But Jesus Christ said "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me "

You follow a man who said: "By Allah though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I DO NOT KNOW what Allah will do to me" - Sahih Bukhari

Jesus said "Come unto me all you who labour and are heavy ladden and i will give you rest"
"To all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God"
"There is .... no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus "
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 1:49pm On Jun 04, 2019
true2god:
Do you bother to read the tafsir of the ayah (Quran 66:1) you posted above? Do you understand the scenario that led to that ayah? It still boils down on the wishes and desires of Mohammed.

According to the Maliki school of thought, which I go with in this scenario, Mohammed had a slave girl called :Mary the copt', probably an Egyptian slave girl. Mohammed used to secretly sleep with this girl and when his wives got to find out about this scandal, the confronted the greatest man (the apostle of Allah). Mohammed promised never to sleep with her again. After sometime, and predictably, Allah came with this revelation:

Quran 66:1,
O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

The above incident is well documented in your Islamic source documents, the tafsir and the authentic hadith narration.

Here's Tafsir Jalalayn commenting on this verse:

O Prophet! Why do you prohibit what God has made lawful for you, in terms of your Coptic handmaiden Māriya — when he lay with her in the house of Hafsa, who had been away, but who upon returning [and finding out] became upset by the fact that this had taken place in her own house and on her own bed — by saying, ‘She is unlawful for me!’, seeking, by making her unlawful [for you], to please your wives? And God is Forgiving, Merciful, having forgiven you this prohibition.

Sunan An-Nasa'i 3411 —It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed: "O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you" [66:1]

As you can see, Allah's apostle was still lusting after Mary the Copts, perhaps the sexx style the slave girl used to give him. To settle the matter 'once and for all', Allah gave Mohammed another of his wishes and desires in Quran 66:1.
Islam is all about the sensual.
Mohamed had this to fullest during his lifetime and expected a continuation in "paradise".

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 7:44pm On Jun 04, 2019
sagenaija:

Islam is all about the sensual.
Mohamed had this to fullest during his lifetime and expected a continuation in "paradise".
He scammed his fellow Arab tribes while his closest companion (Abu Bakr, Umar ibn Kathab and Uthman ibn affan) waited around the corner for him to go and then build an empire from where he left. His companions, from the beginning, new he was a scam but have to play along so as not to disrupt the game plan. The started fighting among themselves as soon as Mohammed died. Aside from Abu Bakr, and umar ibn kathab, every other khalif entered through coup plots and assassination.

Take a look at this hadith below:

Sahih bukhari 1:8:53,
Narrated `Umar (bin Al-Khattab):
My Lord agreed with me in three things:

1. I said, "O Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ), I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g. two rak`at of Tawaf of Ka`ba)". (2.125)

2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ )! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.

3. Once the wives of the Prophet ( ﷺ ) made a united front against the Prophet ( ﷺ ) and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).

The 3rd request from umar is the continuation of quran 66:1 as i stated in my last post. Quran 66:1-5 is a full ayah with respect to Mohammed and his rebellious wives, especially Aisha and Hafsa.

As you can see from the hadith above, the suggestions umar jbn kathab made are what Allah revealed to Mohammed. Can you imagine and Muslims will call these revelations from Allah? This scenario is so many bro, so many. I wonder why Muslims can't read their books but will deny anytime you point it out.

I also gave an example of one of his companions who left when he realised that the so-called revelations was a scam, his name is Abdullah ibn saad ibn abi Saar, the foster brother of Othman ibn affan.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 8:09pm On Jun 04, 2019
Say whatever you want. TWO PASTORS EMBRACED ISLAM THROUGH SHEIKH MUYIDEEN AJANI BELLO LECTURE.


Help yourself

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2756066551076312&id=1984023931613915&fs=0&focus_composer=0

sagenaija:

Maybe this will make you overcome your boredom :.
Mohamed your hero and role model was uncertain of his salvation - Q.46:9

You cannot be more certain than Mohamed. In other words, you are not certain of your salvation.

But Jesus Christ said "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father but through me "

You follow a man who said: "By Allah though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I DO NOT KNOW what Allah will do to me" - Sahih Bukhari

Jesus said "Come unto me all you who labour and are heavy ladden and i will give you rest"
"To all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God"
"There is .... no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus "
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 10:07pm On Jun 04, 2019
Empiree:
Say whatever you want. TWO PASTORS EMBRACED ISLAM THROUGH SHEIKH MUYIDEEN AJANI BELLO LECTURE.


Help yourself

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2756066551076312&id=1984023931613915&fs=0&focus_composer=0

Is your sheik comfortable with debate via Skype? I would like him to also convert me after our debate. I used to think you are a heavyweight but its clear you are another Anthony Joshua.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 10:32pm On Jun 04, 2019
true2god:
Is your sheik comfortable with debate via Skype? I would like him to also convert me after our debate. I used to think you are a heavyweight but its clear you are another Anthony Joshua.
grin grin you are happy with all the trash you have been posting all weeks?. You think I had your time?. I might have it now since Ramadan is over. Isn't too late for you to call for a debate with the sheikh but when we asked you guys some 5yrs to debate acadip you were all forming local champions and keyboard warriors.

Now you are calling for a debate on Skype?. Seriously? You think this sheik have time for that?. You are still a joke like you were 5yrs ago. You feel like you have more confidence now isn't?

You have been quite since I schooled you on hafs/Warsh with example I have you. Why bro why. And now you jumped on Aisha said, Umar said

Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 3:43am On Jun 05, 2019
Empiree:
grin grin you are happy with all the trash you have been posting all weeks?. You think I had your time?. I might have it now since Ramadan is over. Isn't too late for you to call for a debate with the sheikh but when we asked you guys some 5yrs to debate acadip you were all forming local champions and keyboard warriors.

Now you are calling for a debate on Skype?. Seriously? You think this sheik have time for that?. You are still a joke like you were 5yrs ago. You feel like you have more confidence now isn't?

You have been quite since I schooled you on hafs/Warsh with example I have you. Why bro why. And now you jumped on Aisha said, Umar said
You have schooled me on Hafs and warsh, seriously? You are a clown bro, a mosque clown for that matter. Even your fellow Muslims reading this thread cannot comment because they are embarrassed and you said you have 'schooled' me when you admitted you never even looked at the Haf-warsh screenshots I sent you. It seems you live in a fantasy world oblivious of reality.

If you are educated, you will agree with me that most modern debates and interviews are conducted via Skype and at least you will also have the opportunity to see my handsome face. I have watched many Christian-muslim debates that are conducted via Skype, both for cost, distance and security reasons. Start thinking like a 21st century man bro! I told you I asked Ustaz Adepoju for a debate but he refused and told me 'I only do open air lectures', meaning thrashing Christianity without being challenged on his Islamic beliefs.

I still stand by my words and will happily provide my contact if you can arrange a debate between us.

Umar ibn kathab was also instrumental in some Quranic revelations, I need you to comment on their sir? I also responded to your claim on Quran 66:1, you can do me a big favour touching on that one too. Don't deflect!

Asalama lekum!

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 4:55am On Jun 05, 2019
true2god:
You have schooled me on Hafs and warsh, seriously? You are a clown bro, a mosque clown for that matter. Even your fellow Muslims reading this thread cannot comment because they are embarrassed and you said you have 'schooled' me when you admitted you never even looked at the Haf-warsh screenshots I sent you. It seems you live in a fantasy world oblivious of reality.

If you are educated, you will agree with me that most modern debates and interviews are conducted via Skype and at least you will also have the opportunity to see my handsome face. I have watched many Christian-muslim debates that are conducted via Skype, both for cost, distance and security reasons. Start thinking like a 21st century man bro! I told you I asked Ustaz Adepoju for a debate but he refused and told me 'I only do open air lectures', meaning thrashing Christianity without being challenged on his Islamic beliefs.

I still stand by my words and will happily provide my contact if you can arrange a debate between us.

Umar ibn kathab was also instrumental in some Quranic revelations, I need you to comment on their sir? I also responded to your claim on Quran 66:1, you can do me a big favour touching on that one too. Don't deflect!

Asalama lekum!
Honestly, i am tired of you. See, you are still doing what i accused you off i:e jump from one topic to another. I knew you have been posting hafs and warsh all week and I told you that the one that caught my attention the most was your last screenshot which i responded to. Since i replied to that directly you have shutup on the subject bcus you have no counterclaim. Now you embarked on surah 66:1. Yet you accused me of not being educated or professional?. But you keep jumping from one topic to another like monkey lipsrsealed This is is very reason i was reluctant to respond to you guys.

I have given you example of hafs and warsh. I need not to go back to that since you can not prove me wrong. Hafs and Warsh were never problems for us muslims at all. But bcuz you have ulterior motives you found a way to confused yourself and created imaginary discrepancies in the Quran. So Hafs and Warsh drama has been put to rest now. Going back to that will culminate dishonest on your part. As for debate with Adepoju, i remembered you said you challenged him and i told to provide proof that you did but he turned you down?. You never proved it. Now you repeated the same thing. Who believes you?. As Adepoju rightly said, go live with him one on one debate in the presence of crowd. Stop using "security reason" to evade the debate. Adepoju has debated many people and no one was bombed or killed. He has debated your pastors, bishipss evangelists etc. He debated a pastor named Segun who in fact, credited adepoju for being cool despite pressures to provoke him by his christian opponents. This is the same reason ifean, malvisguy and you provided 5 yrs ago when I asked you to challenge Adepoju on one on one debate. Five years later you are still using the same old excuse and you want me to believe you?.

Sir, Adepoju had whatsapp and facebook accounts where you can easily contact him openly for the world to see. Facebook is much better. We will all see how it goes. Or better still you know his program schedules. Join him there. Stop being keyboard warrior. As for Quran 66:1, what exactly is your issues with this one?. Usually it is evangelical christians that brought this up. You copied nonsense from their websites to argue here. Jay Smith was one of those evangelical christians that always come up with this over and over again despite having been taught to them.

God knows what exactly you are thinking about this verse and i think i know what you're thinking. Whatever it is you are thinking you are dead wrong. Quran 66:1 is teaching lawful and unlawful (Law) are only the right of Allah. Not even the prophet had power to make lawful unlawful vis-a-vis. This verse is said to be talking about Honey. Hafiz Ibn Kathir says: The truth is that this verse was sent down about forbidding honey upon himself by the Prophet (peace be upon him). There is more to this story why the verse was revealed.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by lanrexlan(m): 7:36am On Jun 05, 2019
true2god:
You have schooled me on Hafs and warsh, seriously? You are a clown bro, a mosque clown for that matter. Even your fellow Muslims reading this thread cannot comment because they are embarrassed and you said you have 'schooled' me when you admitted you never even looked at the Haf-warsh screenshots I sent you. It seems you live in a fantasy world oblivious of reality.
I just have to address this. Your ignorance is pathetic. I personally felt reluctant to comment before but this display of ignorance and tomfoolery is getting out of hand. In this 21st century, if someone can be arguing that Hafs and Warsh styles of reading connote contradictions of the Quran, then such a person shouldn't be taken seriously.

It is akin to saying Oyo dialect of yourba and Ikare dialect of yourba are contradictions because pronunciation of words are different. That's plain stupidity of the highest peak. A word can be pronounced differently in various dialects of a language and they point to the same meaning. Please, this is an open forum, stop displaying your ignorance.
Read and learn.


S/N| Yoruba Oyo| Yoruba Ikale |Yoruba Ijesa| Yoruba Ondo| Yoruba Ekiti |Meanings in English
I |wa |bọ |be |karioran |bọ |be |Ia |Come
II |Isu |usu |Usu |Usu |usu |Yam
III |ile |ule |Ule |uli |ule |House
IV |ọmọ wa |ọmọ wa |ọmọria |ọmọ wa| ọmọ ra |Our child
V |Isalẹ |ẹri odo |Omi odo |Down/River
VI| Ijoko |otita |ujoko |akaaba |otita |Seat
VII| ewure I|kegbe |Ehevegbe |Ikegbe |ehure |Goat
VIII |adiyẹ |ẹdiye |ẹdiyẹ |adie |ẹdiẹ |Fowl
IX |ilẹkun |Ilẹkun| agandii| ilekun| aganrandi| Door


This is the same thing between Hafs, Warsh, Qaloon and other styles of reciting the Quran. Some words are pronounced differently but they NEVER signify new meanings. You are just making a mountain out of a hole. Grow up man.

true2god:
If you are educated, you will agree with me that most modern debates and interviews are conducted via Skype and at least you will also have the opportunity to see my handsome face. I have watched many Christian-muslim debates that are conducted via Skype, both for cost, distance and security reasons. Start thinking like a 21st century man bro! I told you I asked Ustaz Adepoju for a debate but he refused and told me 'I only do open air lectures', meaning thrashing Christianity without being challenged on his Islamic beliefs.

I still stand by my words and will happily provide my contact if you can arrange a debate between us.

Umar ibn kathab was also instrumental in some Quranic revelations, I need you to comment on their sir? I also responded to your claim on Quran 66:1, you can do me a big favour touching on that one too. Don't deflect!

Asalama lekum!
@ Bold, people who are handsome don't go about bragging about it on public forum. grin Only folks with insecurity would be bragging about handsomeness that isn't there.

All these bragging self, you challenged Ustadh Yusuf Adepoju to a debate?! Bring proof, no proof. Your student asked him questions he can't answer, bring proof? No proof!
Only empty barrels make noise, empty korodom. With this reasoning of yours, you aren't even in the calibre of those people who can stand up to debate a person like Yusuf Adepoju.

You that you are unstable like NEPA light for rainy season on online wanna go offline debate?! grin

Baba goan sleep jare. Empiree stop wasting your time biko

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by worlexy(m): 9:08am On Jun 05, 2019
Rashduct4luv:
Why tag me in this kind of post?
.
At least our hadiths has grades unlike the Bible with various mixtures of words that looks like that of God, that of God's Prophets, that of normal men and that of fools.
.
Worry about analysing your Book!
No but should we analyse the Quran too and show you evidence of inconsistencies in it?

One thing you Muslims fail to realise is that the Quran confirms the authenticity of the Bible and the Quran instructs Prophet Muhammad and you Muslims generally that if you're in doubt about what is revealed to you in the Quran, you should ask those who have been reading the scriptures before you (Quran 10:94 )

And the Quran makes it clear that the Christians and the Jews are the ones who have been reading the scriptures/Bibles.

So what Allah implies is that The Bible should be the reference and the standard because the Quran was released to confirm what was written in the Bible and not to abolish or discredit the Bible (Quran 2:41, 89, 91,97, 101) so the Bible should be used to judge the Quran authenticity and not the other way round. So by making mockery of the Bible, you're making mockery of the Quran.

Reflect on that first and when you're ready for the Quran to be analyzed, lemme know.
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 4:30pm On Jun 05, 2019
Empiree:
Honestly, i am tired of you. See, you are still doing what i accused you off i:e jump from one topic to another. I knew you have been posting hafs and warsh all week and I told you that the one that caught my attention the most was your last screenshot which i responded to. Since i replied to that directly you have shutup on the subject bcus you have no counterclaim. Now you embarked on surah 66:1. Yet you accused me of not being educated or professional?. But you keep jumping from one topic to another like monkey lipsrsealed This is is very reason i was reluctant to respond to you guys.

I have given you example of hafs and warsh. I need not to go back to that since you can not prove me wrong. Hafs and Warsh were never problems for us muslims at all. But bcuz you have ulterior motives you found a way to confused yourself and created imaginary discrepancies in the Quran. So Hafs and Warsh drama has been put to rest now. Going back to that will culminate dishonest on your part. As for debate with Adepoju, i remembered you said you challenged him and i told to provide proof that you did but he turned you down?. You never proved it. Now you repeated the same thing. Who believes you?. As Adepoju rightly said, go live with him one on one debate in the presence of crowd. Stop using "security reason" to evade the debate. Adepoju has debated many people and no one was bombed or killed. He has debated your pastors, bishipss evangelists etc. He debated a pastor named Segun who in fact, credited adepoju for being cool despite pressures to provoke him by his christian opponents. This is the same reason ifean, malvisguy and you provided 5 yrs ago when I asked you to challenge Adepoju on one on one debate. Five years later you are still using the same old excuse and you want me to believe you?.

Sir, Adepoju had whatsapp and facebook accounts where you can easily contact him openly for the world to see. Facebook is much better. We will all see how it goes. Or better still you know his program schedules. Join him there. Stop being keyboard warrior. As for Quran 66:1, what exactly is your issues with this one?. Usually it is evangelical christians that brought this up. You copied nonsense from their websites to argue here. Jay Smith was one of those evangelical christians that always come up with this over and over again despite having been taught to them.

God knows what exactly you are thinking about this verse and i think i know what you're thinking. Whatever it is you are thinking you are dead wrong. Quran 66:1 is teaching lawful and unlawful (Law) are only the right of Allah. Not even the prophet had power to make lawful unlawful vis-a-vis. This verse is said to be talking about Honey. Hafiz Ibn Kathir says: The truth is that this verse was sent down about forbidding honey upon himself by the Prophet (peace be upon him). There is more to this story why the verse was revealed.
How am I jumping from one topic to another? You said that you never looked at my screenshot but finally admitted you looked at one despite the fact that I did 3 consecutive screenshots which will not take you 2mjns to glance through. That's to show that you don't even pay attention to what your opponents are saying.

You said I shut up on the issue of Hafs and Warsh inconsistencies, hope you are not responding to the wrong person. The issue of warsh and hafs have not gone away bro because you have not proved anything concerning the contradictions in the readings.

On you super heavy weight Adepoju, I will contact him again via his Facebook account and do a screenshot to you. No need of devoting much on a man who is not currently a major topic of discussion. I briefly talked about him to tell you that, despite his 'bashing for a living' (Nigerian Muslim version of David wood) activity which he lived on for over 25 years (highly experienced), he has no single experience in defending Islamic beliefs and practices, based on my last engagement with him.

On Quran 66:1, you brought it up because I told you, based on Aisha's own testimony that Mohammed's lord always 'hasten to fulfil his wishes and desires' hence my conclusion that the Quran was nothing but the wishes and desires of Mohammed. And I equally told you that I go with the Maliki school of thought which explained that this ayah got to do with a slave girl called Mariya (a Coptic slave who later gave birth to a son named Ibrahim) who Mohammed usually slept with in Hafsat house whenever she is away. She (Hasfa) found out and, together with Aisha, confronted Mohammed about it while Mohammed promised never to do that again until Allah revealed Quran 66:1. If you read Quran 66: 1-5, you will see that it has nothing to do with honey bro. No wife will disrespect her husband because co-wife is giving him honey to retain their attention. The hadith of bukahri and the tafsir of ibn kathir on this ayah is ridiculous and untenable.

This is the hadith that support above argument and rightfully explained by your famous scholar Jalalayn:

Sunan An-Nasa'i 3411 —It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed: "O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you" [66:1]

And if, for the benefit of the doubt, we are to give the tafsir of ibn kathir a thought and his supporting hadith, what does that make of the character of Aisha? A liar who deceived and lied to her husband out of jealousy but at the same time one of the largest contributor to the hadith collections? What authority can one grade an hadith by Aisha if she had been caught lying before? If hadith collected by Hafs can be rejected based on his personal integrity, why did Sunni Muslims accept Aisha's narrations in sahih bukhari (and sahih Muslim)? And this is the reason you wrote:

'There is more to this story why the verse was revealed'.

There is nothing more to any story bro, we fully understand. Whichever tafsir who chose to use, Ibn kathir or Jalalayn, it prove one fact, the Quran is contradictory based on the fact your own tafsir and hadith contradicted each other on the interpretations of a single ayah. As a matter of honesty and truthfulness, the tafsir of Jalalayn is more credible on this issue.

Asalama lekum!

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 4:31pm On Jun 05, 2019
worlexy:
No but should we analyse the Quran too and show you evidence of inconsistencies in it?
One step at a time bro.
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 5:04pm On Jun 05, 2019
Empiree:
Say whatever you want. TWO PASTORS EMBRACED ISLAM THROUGH SHEIKH MUYIDEEN AJANI BELLO LECTURE.

Help yourself

Do we have Muhammad's Qur'an today?
Hatun discusses with a Muslim why the Qur'an Muslims have today is not the same as the one Muhammad received.

Sunan ibn Majah 1944—It was narrated that Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P66hQUbfB4c
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 5:05pm On Jun 05, 2019
lanrexlan:
I just have to address this. Your ignorance is pathetic. I personally felt reluctant to comment before but this display of ignorance and tomfoolery is getting out of hand. In this 21st century, if someone can be arguing that Hafs and Warsh styles of reading connote contradictions of the Quran, then such a person shouldn't be taken seriously.

It is akin to saying Oyo dialect of yourba and Ikare dialect of yourba are contradictions because pronunciation of words are different. That's plain stupidity of the highest peak. A word can be pronounced differently in various dialects of a language and they point to the same meaning. Please, this is an open forum, stop displaying your ignorance.
Read and learn.


S/N| Yoruba Oyo| Yoruba Ikale |Yoruba Ijesa| Yoruba Ondo| Yoruba Ekiti |Meanings in English
I |wa |bọ |be |karioran |bọ |be |Ia |Come
II |Isu |usu |Usu |Usu |usu |Yam
III |ile |ule |Ule |uli |ule |House
IV |ọmọ wa |ọmọ wa |ọmọria |ọmọ wa| ọmọ ra |Our child
V |Isalẹ |ẹri odo |Omi odo |Down/River
VI| Ijoko |otita |ujoko |akaaba |otita |Seat
VII| ewure I|kegbe |Ehevegbe |Ikegbe |ehure |Goat
VIII |adiyẹ |ẹdiye |ẹdiyẹ |adie |ẹdiẹ |Fowl
IX |ilẹkun |Ilẹkun| agandii| ilekun| aganrandi| Door


This is the same thing between Hafs, Warsh, Qaloon and other styles of reciting the Quran. Some words are pronounced differently but they NEVER signify new meanings. You are just making a mountain out of a hole. Grow up man.

@ Bold, people who are handsome don't go about bragging about it on public forum. grin Only folks with insecurity would be bragging about handsomeness that isn't there.

All these bragging self, you challenged Ustadh Yusuf Adepoju to a debate?! Bring proof, no proof. Your student asked him questions he can't answer, bring proof? No proof!
Only empty barrels make noise, empty korodom. With this reasoning of yours, you aren't even in the calibre of those people who can stand up to debate a person like Yusuf Adepoju.

You that you are unstable like NEPA light for rainy season on online wanna go offline debate?! grin

Baba goan sleep jare. Empiree stop wasting your time biko
Thanks for offering your support for 'empire'. He had been doing a great job lying for Allah and his messenger. Maybe you will be a little bit truthful.

You compare the Hafs and the warsh Quran as dialectic variants of the Quran, are you these serious or ignorant? The scholars never called it 'dialectic variant' but 'different readings of the Quran'. Have you taken time to look at the screenshots or do you follow empire's style of 'argue without analysing evidence'? What I had expected you to do is to pick up the screenshot I provided, pick the ayah one after the other and explain the reasons for the contradiction. What you however did was to 'school: me on variants in Yoruba dialects which you attempted to you as a standard to explain the apparent inconsistencies in various Quranic readings. This is strawman bro. You started aggressively but showed a lot of intellectual weakness.

I have watched various videos, by Arab-muslims speakers (one of them a Lebanese Muslim) who also pointed out this differences but you are here telling me that 'it is dialectic issue:. Stop being ignorant bro, a simple YouTube video will clear your doubt and we have hundreds that addressed this issue. Stop making a fool of yourself.

I said I am handsome because I am and I have to equally make my co-debator feel more relaxed to engage me hence I brought up as a humour in our conversation. Does Islam forbid feeling good about oneself or having a good sense of humour? If you have nothing to contribute, please allow me and empire to continue and play your 'lineman' role since you don't seem to have the intellectual energy to play on the open field.

Asalama lekum!

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 5:12pm On Jun 05, 2019
Empiree:
Honestly,

I have given you example of hafs and warsh.
You write "epistle" on every other matter apart from the ones you are confronted with.
You will claim you have no time but are ready to spend time on deflection of the line
of argument.

You gave NO EXAMPLE or response to answer this simple question:
Is it the same ARABIC word that is used in both Hafs and Warsh versions of the Koran in chapter 3:146 for “fought” [Hafs] and “killed” [Warsh]?

If you did then show us which page of this thread where you did so that all can see.
It appears you now know you have no answer so you are referring us to Adepoju.
You refer to extraneous matters link them with Hafs and Warsh and the shout:."I have refuted you!" when in reality you have done NOTHING.
You can simply throw in the towel and say 'Allah knows best!'. Why not do that?

Smart aleck!

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