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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by worlexy(m): 10:40am On Jun 06
Empiree:
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Yes God allowed him to do it. Because Jesus is the son of God and that's what the Bible says "This is my beloved son". In fact Jesus is the one that will judge the world John 5:22
and Jesus said "I and the father are one" John 10:30.

And the Quran says he was given clear proof and Pure Spirit, meaning he can not lie, so anything he says is the truth

We believe that God allows him to do everything and that's why we pray in His name

Why didn't God permit Mohammed whom you call the greatest prophet to do all the miracles exclusive only to God?

And why didn't you comment on the other issues I raised
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 3:25pm On Jun 06
worlexy:
Yes God allowed him to do it. Because Jesus is the son of God and that's what the Bible says "This is my beloved son". In fact Jesus is the one that will judge the world John 5:22
and Jesus said "I and the father are one" John 10:30.

And the Quran says he was given clear proof and Pure Spirit, meaning he can not lie, so anything he says is the truth

We believe that God allows him to do everything and that's why we pray in His name

Why didn't God permit Mohammed whom you call the greatest prophet to do all the miracles exclusive only to God?

And why didn't you comment on the other issues I raised
because your posts are irrelevant undecided
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by worlexy(m): 3:41pm On Jun 06
Empiree:
because your posts are irrelevant undecided
Hehehehehehehehehehehe. So you're saying the Quranic verses I quoted for you are not relevant!

The truth was shown to you and you ran away.

Anyways my points have been made.
When you're alone, in the corner of your room, on your bed when no one is with you, open your Quran, confirm those quotation I cited and make your decision.

The decision you make will determine how your afterlife would be.

But you have no excuse again, because the truth has been revealed to you and it has come to set you free but God has given you the free will to choose whether you want to be free or not, don't be like the Deaf and Dumb the Quran mentioned in Quran 8:22


إِنَّ شَرَّ الدَّوَآبِّ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ الصُّمُّ الْبُكْمُ الَّذِينَ لَا يَعْقِلُونَ
"Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason."
(QS. Al-Anfaal 8: Verse 22)


Please use your reason. God loves you

Shalom
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 10:48am On Jun 07

Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 3:56pm On Jun 07
Empiree:
grin

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I hope he comes back and break the cross. The muslims are still expecting him Sir.
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 5:51pm On Jun 07
true2god:
I hope he comes back and break the cross. The muslims are still expecting him Sir.
In another word, you are losing hope that he will ever come back. In that case, this puts question mark behind the whole creed about death and resurrection of Jesus as in christianity. This becomes major flaw in your religion because it has everything to do with centrality of your faith. You believe Jesus will come back to take away his beloved as we were taught in primary school; "Jesu christi nbo wa lati wa ko awon ayanfe re lo". Awon "ayanfe" are now getting frustrated and disappointed grin But we as muslims, it is optional to believe in his return. It is theology issue. There are muslims who believe Jesus will not return.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 6:19pm On Jun 07
Empiree:
just some hrs ago I referred you to previous pages on hafs and Warsh but your still came back here posting nonesense undecided

definitely I have answered this few days ago but you failed woefully to grasp. I told you that whether it is "fought" or "killed" are simply choice of words by translators. The Arabic word used in the Qur'an and in that verse you quoted is "Qattala" which means "to kill", "to fight".

Differences come up with how the sentences are used. So Qattala is simply the way it was revealed but the meaning doesn't change. Where changes occurs are the various signs on the arabic alphabets not the word itself. Look at this Qattala in Arabic, قَتَلَ . Zoom in to pay attention to signs on the letters. Qof ق has a sign like this hyphen (-) over it. Same with ta ت and lam ل . This is the basic pronounciation قَتَلَ. It is verb.

It may also be pronounced differently with different signs above and below the 3 letters simultaneously. This can be noun but it is still the same word "Qattala".

Are you learning something?. So zoom the screenshot. But I doubt you understand anything bcus you will return here with dumb questions.
Translators don’t just CHOOSE what words to use when translating a text. It must be at least a word that is closest in meaning to the word they are translating.

Now, “fight” and “killed” DO NOT mean the same thing.

So, why would a translator use one and another translator use the other?

The simple answer is that there is a problem with the original language, in this case ARABIC.

The Arabic of Mohamed’s time NEVER HAD ‘various signs on the arabic alphabets’. These came much later. Who then determined what sign to put on a word? Were they ‘INSPIRED’? Are these signs not ADDITION TO ALLAH’S word? The word that was supposed to already in existence in heaven yet when revealed left out some things? So much then for the CLEAR ARABIC that the Koran is claimed to be. If it takes so much ‘choice of words by translators’, ‘Differences come up with how the sentences are used’, ‘changes occurs are the various signs on the arabic alphabets’, ‘It may also be pronounced differently with different signs above and below the 3 letters simultaneously’, etc: and THESE ARE ALL YOUR WORDS! This again confirms my claim that ISLAM is a bunch of contradiction. It will be disingenuous of you to claim that a PRESENT TENSE of a word and a PAST TENSE of that same word do not affect the meaning of the sentence they are used in. Perhaps it is only in Islam that this is possible.

When it comes to Islam you guys will claim that DIFFERENCES are immaterial. But when it comes to any other religion you insist that such differences are enough to justify its rejection.

If how the Koran is recited around the world today is different then NOT all Korans are identical. Otherwise there should be uniformity. It is ridiculous the think that an all knowing Allah will choose to confuse his followers with all these same words that can mean different things and be used in whatever way the reader wishes.

I believe the claim that Allah allowed or gave the DIFFERENT READINGS is only a smokescreen to cover up INCONSISTENCIES and opportunity to used whichever reading is convenient to shut up questioners at any point in time.

So, again, the claim that the Koran is in CLEAR ARABIC is false. Evidence show that there are VERSIONS of the Koran that DIFFER in their words, basic letters, diacritical dots or vowels. You confirmed this.
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 8:23pm On Jun 07
sagenaija:

Translators don’t just CHOOSE what words to use when translating a text. It must be at least a word that is closest in meaning to the word they are translating.

Now, “fight” and “killed” DO NOT mean the same thing.

So, why would a translator use one and another translator use the other?

The simple answer is that there is a problem with the original language, in this case ARABIC.

The Arabic of Mohamed’s time NEVER HAD ‘various signs on the arabic alphabets’. These came much later. Who then determined what sign to put on a word? Were they ‘INSPIRED’? Are these signs not ADDITION TO ALLAH’S word? The word that was supposed to already in existence in heaven yet when revealed left out some things? So much then for the CLEAR ARABIC that the Koran is claimed to be. If it takes so much ‘choice of words by translators’, ‘Differences come up with how the sentences are used’, ‘changes occurs are the various signs on the arabic alphabets’, ‘It may also be pronounced differently with different signs above and below the 3 letters simultaneously’, etc: and THESE ARE ALL YOUR WORDS! This again confirms my claim that ISLAM is a bunch of contradiction. It will be disingenuous of you to claim that a PRESENT TENSE of a word and a PAST TENSE of that same word do not affect the meaning of the sentence they are used in. Perhaps it is only in Islam that this is possible.

When it comes to Islam you guys will claim that DIFFERENCES are immaterial. But when it comes to any other religion you insist that such differences are enough to justify its rejection.

If how the Koran is recited around the world today is different then NOT all Korans are identical. Otherwise there should be uniformity. It is ridiculous the think that an all knowing Allah will choose to confuse his followers with all these same words that can mean different things and be used in whatever way the reader wishes.

I believe the claim that Allah allowed or gave the DIFFERENT READINGS is only a smokescreen to cover up INCONSISTENCIES and opportunity to used whichever reading is convenient to shut up questioners at any point in time.

So, again, the claim that the Koran is in CLEAR ARABIC is false. Evidence show that there are VERSIONS of the Koran that DIFFER in their words, basic letters, diacritical dots or vowels. You confirmed this.
you have a problem. Despite showing you screenshot you still managed to your this poo?. Even one word in Yoruba language, if translated to English may have multiple English words for it. You have problems. Even your partner got the picture already and he retreated but you vehemently and ignorantly continue to argue pigheadedly. It is disgraceful undecided
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 9:24pm On Jun 07
Empiree:
you have a problem. Despite showing you screenshot you still managed to your this poo?. Even one word in Yoruba language, if translated to English may have multiple English words for it. You have problems. Even your partner got the picture already and he retreated but you vehemently and ignorantly continue to argue pigheadedly. It is disgraceful undecided
Retreating does not always mean acceptance of the other party's position.

Let's settle it this way:
Which one of my sentences in my last post is WRONG and why?
If you are able to prove me wrong then I give up.
Are game?
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 9:43pm On Jun 07
sagenaija:

Retreating does not always mean acceptance of the other party's position.

Let's settle it this way:
Which one of my sentences in my last post is WRONG and why?
If you are able to prove me wrong then I give up.
Are game?
for the last time, "fought, killed" are not the words used in the Qur'an.

"Qattala" is used.
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 1:27am On Jun 08
Empiree:
for the last time, "fought, killed" are not the words used in the Qur'an.

"Qattala" is used.
The guy asked a valid question which you technically evaded. Which of the two words is appropriate in the text, 'fought' or 'killed'? And if you say the word used is 'qattala', what does it mean?

A simple answer please; no long explanation.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 5:32am On Jun 08
true2god:
The guy asked a valid question which you technically evaded. Which of the two words is appropriate in the text, 'fought' or 'killed'? And if you say the word used is 'qattala', what does it mean?

A simple answer please; no long explanation.
No more repetitive questions and answers. I am tired of this. Go back to previous pages where this was answered multiple times. Plus, my screenshots clearly affirmed my point. Help yourself
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 7:29am On Jun 08
Empiree:
No more repetitive questions and answers. I am tired of this. Go back to previous pages where this was answered multiple times. Plus, my screenshots clearly affirmed my point. Help yourself

Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 7:52am On Jun 08
true2god:
So we should go for the word 'kill' (the Hafs rendition you screenshot) as the appropriate word used in the text while we ignore the warsh's rendition. If it takes a linguistic lessons to clear up the contradictions, subjectively, in two various readings of the Quran then it is an issue. It is so obvious that a traditional reciter of warsh may not go with you on this and since I don't know anything in Arabic language, I have to visit 'Quora' for help (I don't trust nairaland Muslims and they don't trust me either).

Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 7:54am On Jun 08

Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 7:59am On Jun 08
true2god:
The second respondent was sincere enough that they have different meanings as used in the text but your colleague wanted us to believe otherwise. It all still boils down on the fact that different readings of the Quran are NEVER 100% the same both in pronunciation and meaning, as Nairaland sheiks like you make us to believe.

Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Rashduct4luv(m): 8:41am On Jun 08
worlexy:
No but should we analyse the Quran too and show you evidence of inconsistencies in it?

One thing you Muslims fail to realise is that the Quran confirms the authenticity of the Bible and the Quran instructs Prophet Muhammad and you Muslims generally that if you're in doubt about what is revealed to you in the Quran, you should ask those who have been reading the scriptures before you (Quran 10:94 )

And the Quran makes it clear that the Christians and the Jews are the ones who have been reading the scriptures/Bibles.

So what Allah implies is that The Bible should be the reference and the standard because the Quran was released to confirm what was written in the Bible and not to abolish or discredit the Bible (Quran 2:41, 89, 91,97, 101) so the Bible should be used to judge the Quran authenticity and not the other way round. So by making mockery of the Bible, you're making mockery of the Quran.

Reflect on that first and when you're ready for the Quran to be analyzed, lemme know.

Actually, it is like you are truly confused or let's just say mistaken!

Where did you see the word "Bible" mentioned in the Qur'an?

What was mentioned was "Injeel" of Jesus son Mary and "Taorah" of Moses (Peace be on them all). The Bible today was written by over 40 people spread over several hundreds of years!

Alternatively, you can answer the question who is the author of the Bible?
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 2:21pm On Jun 08
Rashduct4luv:


Actually, it is like you are truly confused or let's just say mistaken!

Where did you see the word "Bible" mentioned in the Qur'an?

What was mentioned was "Injeel" of Jesus son Mary and "Taorah" of Moses (Peace be on them all). The Bible today was written by over 40 people spread over several hundreds of years!

Alternatively, you can answer the question who is the author of the Bible?
Christianity and Judaism, unlike Islam, is not based on the testimony of one man who does not even have an eyewitness to confirm if it was true that any god talked to him. The alpha and omega of Islam is Mohammed. Its is good you do a textual criticism of the Bible but you can never do a textual criticism of the Quran, all the various hadith and all the various seerah because they are compete disaster.

The Bible, as you rightly claimed, has about 40 authors that span a period of 2500 years which led to the birth of the Jewish Torah and the Christan injil, the amalgamation which is called, in English language, the Bible. These authors are Jewish scribes who were moved, by the Spirit of God, who wrote what they saw (especially the first books of moses, Joshua, the kings, the chronicles, numbers, Esther, psalms, proverbs and the books of the major and the minor prophets) and this is what the Quran called 'the Taurat'.

Now come to the time of the Messiah, the injil, it was written by eyewitnesses who saw and witnessed the life and time of Jesus. The first 4 chapters are called the gospel (Matthew, mark, Luke, John), follow by what happened in the early Christian communities (the act of the apostles), the epistles to the early churches or their church leaders, and lastly, the revelation of John the beloved (at the island of Patmos in today Turkey).

So the compilation of these books are what is called the bible as we know it today. And unlike the Quran, it is never the testimony of one-man and the events didn't happen in only two locations (Mecca and Medina) but in many geographical locations. The Bible accounts covers over 2500 year span while the Quran covers events of only 23 years.

So the question you need to ask yourself is, why are events that covers over 2500 years more accurate than events that covers only 23yrs? You also asked for the authors and this is a good question and I can't provide all the names now because I don't know their names offhand. And I will throw the same question back to you, it is on record that Mohammed used about 42 scribes to write the Quran, can you please provide all their names?

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 2:57pm On Jun 08
true2god:
The guy asked a valid question which you technically evaded. Which of the two words is appropriate in the text, 'fought' or 'killed'? And if you say the word used is 'qattala', what does it mean?

A simple answer please; no long explanation.
You've got it. He offers no straightforward answers to questions then turns around to say he has refuted his opponent or talks about repetitive questions.

Only the Moslem mind can see two totally contradictory statements or injunctions in their books and find nothing wrong with that.

"Common sense" or "rational thinking " seem go be far from them. The bottom line is to defend Mohamed at all cost - whether through lies or deceit.
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by sagenaija: 3:06pm On Jun 08
Empiree:
for the last time, "fought, killed" are not the words used in the Qur'an.

"Qattala" is used.
Only the Moslem mind can feel comfortable with a word having divergent meanings and therefore being capable of being misunderstood and still claim that the Koran is a CLEAR REVELATION.

What is "Qattala" in your own words and without screenshots which some of us may not easily 'grasp' like you genius can?

After all, you are communicating here with me in English, aren't you?
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 3:58pm On Jun 08
sagenaija:

You've got it. He offers no straightforward answers to questions then turns around to say he has refuted his opponent or talks about repetitive questions.

Only the Moslem mind can see two totally contradictory statements or injunctions in their books and find nothing wrong with that.

"Common sense" or "rational thinking " seem go be far from them. The bottom line is to defend Mohamed at all cost - whether through lies or deceit.
The issue is that when Muslims are cornered, they play the 'you don't understand Arabic' card. In the screen shot, Hafs used the word 'qattala' (when translated into English alphabets) for 'fight' while warsh used the word 'faqtalu' for 'kill' (for the same ayah) and they will expect one to take it as the same meaning, that's crazy.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 4:05pm On Jun 08
Another interesting hadith can be seen below:

Narrated `Umar (bin Al-Khattab):
My Lord agreed with me in three things:

1. I said, "O Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ ), I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g. two rak`at of Tawaf of Ka`ba)". (2.125)

2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Messenger ( ﷺ )! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed.

3. Once the wives of the Prophet ( ﷺ ) made a united front against the Prophet ( ﷺ ) and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66.5).
{sahih bukhari 8:53}.

From the above, one can see that the 3 so-called revelations were actually the opinions of Umar Ibn kathab. Whatever Umar suggested (and it makes sense to Mohammed), Allah reveals as part of the Quran. If this is not 100% human intervention in the Quran, what's it?
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 4:22pm On Jun 08
Below is another so-called revelation adjusted to accommodate the concern of a blind man.

Narrated Al-Bara:
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95).{the initial revelation}.

The Prophet said, "Call Zaid for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)."' Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit...", and at that time 'Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet. He said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is your order for me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:
'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah.' (4.95){adjusted verse}.
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 6, Book 61, Number 512)

So Allah has to immediately provide another revelation to accommodate the concern of a blind man. Was Allah not aware that the blind man was there before giving the initial revelation? Must Allah wait for the blind man to complain before making an adjustment to his revaluation? The logical answer is, the revelation was Mohammed's person decision and need to adjust it to protect the interest of the blind man in the war planning room.
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by papagiddy(m): 4:55pm On Jun 08
Christian prince....DAT guy is a genius ...He si just destroing Islam on YouTube
....very interesting honesty
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by worlexy(m): 5:55pm On Jun 08
Rashduct4luv:


Actually, it is like you are truly confused or let's just say mistaken!

Where did you see the word "Bible" mentioned in the Qur'an?

What was mentioned was "Injeel" of Jesus son Mary and "Taorah" of Moses (Peace be on them all). The Bible today was written by over 40 people spread over several hundreds of years!

Alternatively, you can answer the question who is the author of the Bible?
What's the meaning of scriptures? if Allah calls Christians and Jews People of the Book, what Book is he talking about? Bible is derived from the Latin word Biblia which means Book. Taorah is Torah which is the first 5 books of the Bible, the Injeel is the Gospel, and Allah has told you to use your sense, so if all the books are in the Bible, you still expect Allah to spell it out to you that scriptures and Bible is the same?

ﻛَﺬٰﻟِﻚَ ﻳُﺒَﻴِّﻦُ ﺍﻟﻠَّﻪُ ﻟَﻜُﻢْ ﺀَﺍﻳٰﺘِﻪِۦ ﻟَﻌَﻠَّﻜُﻢْ ﺗَﻌْﻘِﻠُﻮﻥَ
"Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you might use reason(intellect)."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 242)

You're asking me who wrote the Bible, go and the Sura 10:94 and Sura 16:43

At least we have meaningful names as Titles of the chapters in the Bible . Unlike al Baqara that means The Cow, Al-Maaida: The Table, Al-Ana'am the Cattle and so on
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by iRyan(m): 6:36pm On Jun 08
enilove:


True talk.

Islam is Satanically powerful, it thete4 takes the grace of God to be delivered from its bondage.

Aside from telling them the truth, Muslims need prayers as well.
Religion in general is. It isn't peculiar to Islam alone. Religion and ideologies we were born into exacts a strong hold on you that it is almost impossible to untangle ourselves from their grip. I was Christian before I left so I know what I am talking about. Look at you bashing a diff religion from the one you practice, if I should present to you compelling reasons on why you should quit your religion you prolly won't accede but here you are wanting Muslims to leave their religion cos someone is giving them reasons on why they should leave. If you can't be convinced out of your religion why do you expect others to be convinced out of their own beliefs?

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 10:46am On Jun 09
iRyan:
Religion in general is. It isn't peculiar to Islam alone. Religion and ideologies we were born into exacts a strong hold on you that it is almost impossible to untangle ourselves from their grip. I was Christian before I left so I know what I am talking about. Look at you bashing a diff religion from the one you practice, if I should present to you compelling reasons on why you should quit your religion you prolly won't accede but here you are wanting Muslims to leave their religion cos someone is giving them reasons on why they should leave. If you can't be convinced out of your religion why do you expect others to be convinced out of their own beliefs?
What's your point exactly?
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by iRyan(m): 12:55pm On Jun 09
true2god:
What's your point exactly?
you aren't the only one who's allowed to be devout or hold on strongly to whatever they choose to believe in. There are thousands of videos on YouTube that point out so many errors or the many things off about Christianity and yet that hasn't shaken the faith of so many christian believers but a Christian comes here, opens a thread pinpointing errors in Islam and expects Muslims to have a change of heart cornering their belief and even goes as far as claiming they are under satanic shackles like wtf. If you as a christian can justify whatever error in your belief that someone points out to you, then a Muslim should also be allowed to justify whatever you deem as inappropriate in his belief.

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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by true2god: 4:06pm On Jun 09
iRyan:
you aren't the only one who's allowed to be devout or hold on strongly to whatever they choose to believe in. There are thousands of videos on YouTube that point out so many errors or the many things off about Christianity and yet that hasn't shaken the faith of so many christian believers but a Christian comes here, opens a thread pinpointing errors in Islam and expects Muslims to have a change of heart cornering their belief and even goes as far as claiming they are under satanic shackles like wtf. If you as a christian can justify whatever error in your belief that someone points out to you, then a Muslim should also be allowed to justify whatever you deem as inappropriate in his belief.

This site is both for personal studies and engaging in comparative religion: it is also for christian and Islamic apologetic exercise. Your quest for moral equivalence does not make sense because both religions do not teach people the same thing and both religions shape society in a diametrically opposite directions. You don't need to stifle a healthy debate all in the name to sound good or neutral. This is Nairaland 'religion section', please allow us to express ourselves.

Thank you.
Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 7:44pm On Jun 09
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Re: Christian Prince Explains Islam by Empiree: 7:45pm On Jun 09

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